Has anyone else seen this? This was unbelievably terrible.
It's like they fell for every cancerous modern art film cliche there is and any semblance of structure just dissolves like wet tissue paper. When a movie is paced slowly and deliberately like this it invites the mind to wander and ask questions, but the more you think about it the more the movie falls apart.
And I'm glad I didn't see it in theaters because a lot of the dialogue is indecipherable without subtitles. The subtitles label the auditory hallucinations he has 'Father', inviting an entirely new element into the film you wouldn't have gotten if you watch without subtitles. This is just a trashfire.
it's an exposition on trauma, how a man with trauma relates himself to the world, how trauma presents itself, and how relationships are still possible in the face of that.
Isaac Ward
incredible how people can be this obtuse in 2019, maybe stick to capeshit next time
yeah the "thug" that literally wore the fucking american flag pin government agents wear when protecting politicians on his way to murder some guy's mom
i'm all for movies exposing government pedo rings and shit but this movie didn't know it's ass from it's elbow
it's 'about' that, but none of that is actually investigated in any meaningful capacity in the movie, it's just wallpaper themes to make you think there's something deep about the movie.
they just gave Joe stock quirks and called him a character, it's totally shallow
Jonathan James
it was directed by a woman
Tyler Brown
I checked the timer when he was singing next to the dead hitman because I couldn't wait for the film to be over. Not a fan of emo stuff.
Daniel Reyes
this movie is completely indefensible, the scene where he gives a kid a chocolate bar in Iraq who is immediately shot by another kid who steals it from them is comical.
Nolan Morales
Look how artistic this is, OP. You were wrong about this film.
Luis Flores
Not much is directly said, but I'd argue that the juxtaposition of intense flashbacks with the avoidance of showing violence in the present day can be taken to show how traumatic incidents primarily cause harm after the actual event has passed. I'm sure you remember the book Le Grande Voyage by Smeprun, in which the events of the Holocaust are recalled by their impact on the main character's dreams of the future and memories of the past. What cannot be said must be shown.
Nolan White
damn dude, guess i haven't watched enough music videos to 'get it'
Jacob Price
If you can honest to god say you got something out of this film then good on you. I think this movie has as much to say about it's supposed themes in the first five minutes as it's sum total by the end of the film. I think we ought to be more critical of this wave of cinema, because a large part of this style of movie is abstaining from traditional structure. Unless it's actually doing something creative, and not just imitating it's peers like this movie does, then these movies are deconstructive and subtract from our film consciousness, not contribute.
Daniel Sullivan
For instance while I didn't like it all that much, the movie "Hereditary" actually succeeds in creating an intimacy, a relentless uncomfortability with violence in it's first 30 minutes. I can't see how anything in YWNRH could actually affect an adult audience, it's totally quaint.
Isaiah Taylor
The only parts in which this movie abstains from traditional structure is in the depiction of violence and the amount of down time, which again is broken by flashbacks. It's all pretty thematic. The movie still follows a 3-act structure, climax, foreshadowing, etc. I don't think it's that subversive, and when it is it's in order to provide another perspective as faithfully as possible. If you're looking for cinema which deconstructs in a wholesome and nonsubversive manner, watch The Dancer in the Dark. It's a good synthesis between this sort of movie and what I think you're looking for in a non-mainstream movie.
Carter Thompson
It was a good short stretched out to feature length. Not sure why, it was obviously never going to be popular.
Charles Ramirez
i shouldn't have used the word 'structure', i meant the style of the film in general
they chose to have almost no dialogue and the character moments they replaced it with to inform us of Joe's character are stretched really thin because of it. Like that Iraq war flashback, it was comical. If they wanted to rely on moments like that they should have made sure they had really strong ones, as is i think the only exceptional character moment for Joe was when he buried his mother in the lake. little quirks like him holding the knife above his mouth, dropping it into the linoleum floor, crushing jellybeans, suffocating himself with plastic bags, his auditory hallucinations of his father abusing him; these are novel, and they're all we get. His memories of uncovering women killed by human trafficking being triggered by taking the asian women on the street's photo is very fleeting. There's just nothing to ground all these things.
Cameron Martinez
Fuck Joker. This film is the real clown prince.
Connor Clark
>If you're looking for cinema which deconstructs in a wholesome and nonsubversive manner, watch The Dancer in the Dark.
I'll watch that, thanks for the recommendation
Sebastian Torres
One of the strongest contenders for most numale comment of the month.
Lucas Torres
Why is he playing a mentally ill incel in almost every movie?
Cooper Hernandez
Why not?
Jace Bell
Was it necessary to deliberately ruin the action scenes for artistic atmosphere shit ?
Eli Rivera
>you wouldn't have gotten if you watch without subtitles you're dumb
Dylan Hernandez
the action scenes weren't 'ruined' as much as they were simply incompetent
Brandon Jenkins
That's not what i said dipshit, several line reads are inaudibly mumbled and the subtitles label his auditory hallucinations as being spoken by 'Father' which is never stated otherwise in the film. There's nothing ambiguous about the movie at all, there's barely anything to 'get'.
Parker Bailey
(You)
Nathan Perez
It's a masterpiece you retard. Kys.
Leo Wilson
no it fucking sucks
Oliver Lee
Shutup, clown.
Bentley Gutierrez
even if it weren't outright bad, it'd be mediocre at best
Tyler Hall
>You Were Never Really Here >I'm Still Here >I'm Not There >Being There >Here
What's your top 5 Here kino?
bonus >Hereditary
Anthony Hill
deserves it's own thread desu
Jose Morales
Peak kino.
Daniel Brown
FPBP
The film is a massive pleb filter, especially on reddit and the philistines on this board.
Whoever made the movie clearly wanted to create something fucked up while at the same time not wanting that the action scenes feel rewarding or cool for the audience. a 6/10 movie but saved by Joaquin Phoenix's performance
Samuel Collins
It's a 6/10 movie with some cliches thrown in. Especially the scene where he drowns in lake and decides to resurface.
Lucas Davis
Love Ramsay style and how she focuses on the trauma caused by violent acts rather than the violent acts themselves. Her previous two are great this is her best yet.
Holy fuck dude if you really needed subtitled to know that was his father I'm not surprised your take on the movie is this bad. You're a pseudo at his finest right now. It's now bad but watch more film and maybe read or something before you try to present your opinion as an authority, you're pretty clearly not informed right now
