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>I love the raw violence and sexuallity.
Now imagine what theater audiences in 1971 must have thought of it.

probably nothing its meh as far as films back then went.
The reason this film is so controversial is because its a literal "this is the state of society" film.

>tfw been told I look like Alex DeLarge

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Honestly probably Kubrick's worst film not counting the early ones.

>Tips fedora

A CLOCKWORK ORANGE YOU NEWFAGS

>it's too difficult for me to handle i'll just shitpost
The real message is too deep for you.

you like like shit

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weeb cope

eggy weggs

No one called it "Clockwork Orange" in this thread, that's a reddit thing.
I'll humor you and pretend you're not just being contrarian. Why do you think that?

I really love this song.
youtube.com/watch?v=7Cd4hXcgG4c

I like the theory he was just pretending the conditioning worked

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Anyone else think Alex is really hot in this movie?

The brainwashing worked its sadly the same shit the msm uses to brainwash people.

Do you have a link to an analysis for this theory? Surface level it doesn't make much sense, since the last 15 minutes clearly shows the conditioning being removed.

Close, but it's ultimately an anti-modern story. The core message is that consumerism fucks up your society, sexual liberation is at best a mixed bag that gives license to predators, and that any attempt to solve these issues through reeducation or other means of social engineering is doomed to fail. Some young people, especially young men, are just bad, and you have to hope they eventually grow out of it and realize what they do is wrong. Which is a very pre-modern attitude, to accept that not every problem has a solution and things may have to be left to chance or fate.

The book makes this more clear.

the movie got great soundtrack. I wish I could find a cleaner version of this
youtube.com/watch?v=hVn9ir73VVY

sup rob ager

kubrick was really ahead of his time. no wonder he got assassinated

>Why do you think that?
Because it's not as good as his other films? It's not really contrarian when all his films are highly praised.

>Because it's not as good as his other films?
I'm asking you what about A Clockwork Orange makes you consider it Kubrick's worst film.
Eyes Wide Shut was the final straw.

BUY MY DVD´S

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Watch Caligula. McDowell rapes a bunch of women in that one.

>buying movies
>spending actual real world money on infinitely replenishable 1's and 0's

yes. this scene in particular
youtube.com/watch?v=QAs6s80RyeY

I don't really acknowledge liberal college interpretations of the film as valid
>consumerism
My sides you are retarded.

>Eyes Wide Shut was the final straw.
Surely. Clockwork Orange really did predict the inherent "self policing" that would be conditioned into the population for "wrongthink." Great director, probably knew too much.

I have a feeling you'd like this one too

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This is the perfect movie when you're 18.

>anti-modern
>liberal

You might be the retard here user

I can't find this movie anywhere. The only torrent on TPB has one person seeding and I can't get it past downloading metadata.

Malcolm McDowell was a handsome man

youtube has it full bro

Best film of the 20th century

>consumerism
Any post you make is invalid.

Why do they wear diapers?

arent they called jock straps?

I like the two Jacks theory, was that Rob?
I asked this before I don't wanna watch his videos though

It's supposed to be like the crotch thing Henry VIII wore to show how obsesseed with upper class culture they are.

This movie definitely elicited strong emotions from me.

Mostly nausea, disgust, and a general uncomfortableness.

It's not even the greatest Kubrick film.

isn't it just a thing that Mcdowell had in his wardrobe and they decided to go along with it? I don't remember the book referencing that specific item

Not much probably. The general audience was used to visceral violence on screen by this point.
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You might be right but when I first saw it I thought it was supposed to be like the thing in pic related

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It's not even in the top 5 films by Kubrick

Codpieces to make a comeback in 2020
Fool the roasties into think we all have adequate penors

don't throw a tantrum just because you're too stupid to understand surface level themes, fucking faggot

This is partly true if you consider "left wing politics" to be synonymous with totalitarianism or something, but still a very basic reading. It's objectively a critique of modern behaviourism, Burgess is primarily advocating for essentialism which makes sense considering he was a catholic, and practically libertarian/anarchist.

the russians have it

No, you don't get to escape the other user's analysis, who I am not. You don't get to whine the truth away with meaningless qualifications. It is an accurate appraisal of the film, "A Clockwork Orange", to say of it that it captures the nightmare of left-wing politics in the Anglo-American sense, as the other user who I am not did. This is carried through in the structural nihilism of the film's very geometric lines themselves-witness peak inhuman Brutalism, very potently shown. Brutalism itself as a form was peaking right as the film was made.

Nowhere within the film is a real moral agent found, yet our hero escapes, in the end. This is the reason why the film is best classified as a dark comedy. Everywhere, there is only ugliness. It is this nihilistic ugliness which captivates. I bump to keep my train of thought going ITT. The violence, the Droog costumes, the HOME of the Alexanders...

Continuing...

The ugliness of the film is central to its dark comedy. I myself work in a grocery store in which purple-haired Russian women and Somalis gather to get their things. I cannot but think of Clockwork Orange (the film) as a useful dystopia with which to understand the present situation.

To conclude the thought, I want to double down on the intrisic, on-purpose ugliness of the film itself, as that which fascinates. The ugliness of the stupid phallic nose-mask(s) of the Droogs during the rape. The ugly little flat that Alex lived in, his ugly bare life with his parents, and the ugliness of the abandoned spaces in which the Droogs hashed things out among themselves (esp. in the apartment block). The ugliness of pic related, which I'd meant to post with the last post. The ugliness of the two droogs becoming cops and having a bit of fun. The ugliness of David Prowse's pink getup while Alex TRIED THE WINE NO SHE WAS VERY BADLY RAPED Y'SEE. The ugliness of the up-from-under shot of Mr. Alexander as he is triggered by hearing Alex's music. The ugliness of realizing that some weak old lefty cuck is quasi-hypocritically (though understandably) taking his revenge where he can get it. The ugliness of Billyboy, those stupid globby cheekies as he gobbismacked at his gums. I think that you all get the idea by this point: the appeal of the film is that tells a drama with fun pictures in a dystopian setting. The central feature of this dystopia is that everything is ugly. This feeds legitimately into modern /pol/ narratives, architectural/aesthetic criticism, etc.

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>basic reading
That is the advanced reading.
The next level that absolutely no one seems to understand is how ultimately everyone in the movie is a victim to each others bullshit yet none of them truly understand it.
The elite liberals get terrorised by the crime they help create while the main characters are victims from the social engineering that steers to them violence.
With none of the people involved fully aware why it is happening. A kafkesque portrait of a socialist dystopia.

It unsettles people because it shows them how society is or could be, it is familiar and plausible
Many people try to pretend society isn't like this and find it confronting when shown.

selectively politicising totalitarian aesthetics is in your prerogative, but pointless. when everything that is ugly, bad, wrong, evil, coincidentally also seems to be in political contrast with your beliefs, then we're going into obvious subjective and biased territory.

it's a lot more reasonable to read it as exactly as it is; a defence of essentialism, but Kubrick's is very specifically an attack on optimistic essentialism. he is saying Humans, no matter who they are, are all innately selfish and irrational, and no state or society, be it "left" or "right", can control or change that.

The home invasion rape scene in the Great ecstasy of Robert Carmichael is a hell of a lot more realistic. But then again, that movie is nc-17.

you will actually find societies shown like inclockwork orange were common in Scanndinavia and eastern europe.

brutalist architecture
Questionable sexual morality being encouraged
State decides all even your thoughts in a personal invasive manner no privacy.

Alex is not steered to violence, he is violence. that is his innate nature and the point of the story.

Not that user but everything in the film is deliberate.
The brutalist architecture is shown because it is extremely left wing architecture devoid of any humanity. Typically associated with farleft statism.
The sexual imagery is a reference to porn also rabidly pushed by leftists.
You then have other more subtle imagery.
They drink milk because booze are banned.
They listen to classical because pop music is banned.

They are violent because the society lets them be violent. Even encourages it.
He is violent because him and his friends have been steered to it their entire lives.
As we see they aren't really punished in any way.

Good thread. Never seen the movie, but love most of Kubrick's other stuff.
Have a bump.

is brutalism shown because it is left wing architecture, or shown because it is devoid of humanity, or shown because it was contemporary of the time? it's appearance serves a explicit function, to be oppressive, modern and artificial, existing outside human natural essence.

could you explain the relation between the banning of degenerate substances and pop music, which I don't recall being in the film or novel but I could be wrong, and that relation to specifically left wing totalitarianism and not totalitarianism in general?

>love most of Kubrick's other stuff.
>I once watched a youtube video about The Shining.

Get the fuck outta here.

Its not even an argument Brutalism like everything on the left is a deliberate rejection of the traditional
>Brutalism as an architectural philosophy was often associated with a socialist utopian ideology, which tended to be supported by its designers, especially Alison and Peter Smithson, near the height of the style. This style had a strong position in the architecture of European communist countries from the mid-1960s to the late 1980s (Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, USSR, Yugoslavia).[19] In Czechoslovakia, Brutalism was presented as an attempt to create a "national" but also "modern socialist" architectural style.

the point of specifically Kubrick's film is that Alex and his droogs are actually essentially as they are and no amount of rehabilitation, socialisation or punishment can change that.

it's both an attack on behaviourism as well as Rousseau esque essentialism.

Barnes & Noble

based fred elliott from corrie is in it

>banning of degenerate substances and pop music
You can deduce this by the fact they drink milk and listen to classical in a modern environment.
Instead of beer and rock etc.
It is subtly indicating things like an alcohol ban and curfews.
Even the way they sit in the club indicates there is some restriction.

Oh fuck off. Dr. Strangelove is one of my all time favorites and Eyes Wide Shut is great to watch with my girlfriend.
I haven't seen the Shining and ACWO.

>great to watch with my girlfriend.
Ah, to be 12 again...

some top lad uploaded this on xhamster a few weeks ago
instantly ceased my wank and watched it

>ITT: teenagers telling people they're both triggered and fucking faggots

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no. Only Alex enjoys Beethoven, it's his natural inclination, and a contrast between his violent barbarism. remember when the lady sang Ode to Joy in the milk bar, and the fat droog made fun of her before he got hit by Alex?

furthermore, they aren't just drinking milk, they're drinking extremely intoxicating and drug filled milk. they do it to encourage their ultra-violence, it's popular among youths in that universe.
I understand that Brutalism finds it's origins in socialist states, but remember that is very rapidly spread everywhere. I live in Australia and we have Brutalist structures everywhere, it's an objectively ugly and oppressive aesthetic.

the question is; is the representation of Brutalism exclusively just a representation of left wing totalitarianism, or totalitarianism in general? Do we need to politicise the authoritarian state where it's not required?

How are you so blind to the themes?
>lady in the milk bar sings classical
All these scenes are indicating it is widespread in the society we are showing us.
It is trying to tell us there is some sort of dictating of culture going on.
This becomes blindingly obvious with the politician.

>the question is; is the representation of Brutalism exclusively just a representation of left wing totalitarianism, or totalitarianism in general? Do we need to politicise the authoritarian state where it's not required?
It's exclusively leftwing totalitarianism.
> I live in Australia and we have Brutalist structures everywhere, it's an objectively ugly and oppressive aesthetic.
It was popular with academia. You see it everywhere hideous bunker style monstrocities that cause people to be depressed.
It's all deliberate the leftists oking construction of this shit are soulless bastards.

The clown world is not past-tense. It is here, now. It's 2019, guys, GOD.

The date is auspicious for future dystopian visions in multple ways. 2019, now: the year of Blade Runner and Akira. The year of children being taught to twerk in public libraries (I will spare you the rest, though you should seek it out of yourself).

Your academic "oh but this thing on the other hand too" reasonableness in the face of on an unreasonable world, is itself unreasonable. This is your central error. The value of Kubrick is that he can be appropriated.

Jews have hitherto interpreted and shaped the world. The point is to kill them.

Hes an Australian, anyone who has been in the academic system here is indoctrinated

I've read the book and seen the movie several times, I don't recall the film ever implying the state was forcing classical music on it's youths, especially considering Alex's friends don't like what he likes. The state certainly is authoritarian however, but very corrupt and arguably decadent.

perhaps I am not blind, rather you are just seeing things.
you didn't quite answer my dilemma. remember that Brutalism proliferated all over the west, it wasn't simply a Soviet phenomenon.

You are just being pigheaded now you can only be slapped with the evidence so much.
Brutalism proliferated in the west because there are socialists in the west like the east,

The author of Clockwork Orange literally stated he based this on soviet deliquents and culture.
Thats why they call themselves droogs.

>perhaps I am not blind, rather you are just seeing things
Heh immedaetly defaults to gaslighting when confronted. How very Leftist.

the only evidence you've really provided is Brutalism originated in the USSR, therefore Clockwork Orange is only a critique of left wing totalitarian. I think it falls on your shoulders to justify that position.

my point, or at least what I've been attempting to defend very reasonably with you, is that the story focuses on solely a critique primarily totalitarianism in general and not specifically what the user claimed as "left wing politics". While Nadsat only was selected because Russian was aesthetically better, Anthony absolutely shat on American police, liberalism, republicanism, social welfare, the police, etc, etc. He was an anarchist and very much opposed to the state in general.
All I'm trying to do is discuss something with you, perhaps you should rewatch the film or something. You should definitely read the book, it's excellent.

What is it about? Marathoned couple of screenshots of this, still confused.

I see you fucks do this everythread about clockwork orange.
A quick search shows that the analysis of it being a critique of totalitarian leftist dystopia is widely agreed upon. Both people supoorting it andcriticising the fact the movie and film do that ie some calling clockwork orange rightwing propaganda.
Enough.

I do not believe it is nearly as cut and dry as you say, Burgress spoke at great lengths how he fashioned the droogs on both Soviet and English hoodlums, and the rape scene was actually based on what awol American soldiers did to his wife.

Have you read the book? If you want to show me evidence of everyone agreeing Burgress intended it to be specifically a critique on "totalitarian leftist dystopia", go ahead.

You just have to type Clockwork Orange and soviet into a search. You are just being a child and putting your fingers in your ears

Just did, I see stuff mostly about Nadsat which isn't surprising. It's fascinating in fact, according to Anthony himself, his book was quite popular in Russia because it was considered "anti capitalist" and "anti western".

I think this whole discussion the only thing you've demonstrated is you didn't know a whole lot about what we are discussing, and quite immature about it as well.

I'm wondering the same. How are people steered to violence...by the just the drugs they are allowed to ingest at Moloko? While on that subject, is the drinking age lowered or did they use fake IDs?

It's funny people are saying it's a totalitarian landscape and here we have you saying that they've been steered to violence and not been punished. Seems like a liberal hellhole rather.

don't be silly

you are fucking retarded

>How did Kubrick do it?
Jew.

>tfw my name is Alex

>hitler was right about almost everything
>stanley kubrick
ummm we got a bobby fischer situation here boys

shut the fuck up child act like a child and be spoken down to
>Despite this, much of Burgess’s inspiration for the novel lay in literature. The dystopian writings of George Orwell (Nineteen Eighty-Four), Aldous Huxley (Brave New World Revisited), Diana and Meir Gillon (The Unsleep) and Yevgeny Zamyatin (We) all provide literary context for A Clockwork Orange. Burgess wrote of his fascination with ‘the ultimate totalitarian nightmare’ as well as ‘the dream of liberalism going mad’. This reading of other novels, coupled with Burgess’s response to the determinism of psychologists such as B.F. Skinner (who denied the importance of culture, environment and free will) provide the background to the book described by Time magazine as ‘that rare thing in English letters: a philosophical novel’.
> his book was quite popular in Russia because it was considered "anti capitalist" and "anti western".
So what in communist states they are allowed to read 1984

>Some young people, especially young men, are just bad
It's more complicated and nuanced than that. Just saying someone is bad or evil is too easy; a defense mechanism that puts a barrier between them and us.
People that commit evil acts are still people. We are all slaves/puppets to our environmental influence and genetics of which we have no control.

Kys
Pure kino. It’s one of those movies I could rewatch over and over like American psycho

>oh no, it's not liberal propaganda, the message is just the young men need to be taught that they're evil!

That fag keeps pretending to have understood the book.
In the authors own words it was a story about the state denying humans redemption. Since it eliminated personal freedom.
Thats what happens in the movie the main character was rotten but he was denied any path to redemption that state choosing to experiment on him to reduce his reoffending.
Instead of you know throwing the book at him.
He was allowed to be evil because the dystopic state was ok with it. They weren't ok with free choice.

Good argument, very enlightening.

Does redemption include every victim enacting revenge upon you?

He's just projecting his mental capacity don't worry

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thats "justice"

Leftards are breath tankingly retarded. You lose your collective little brains at the realisation that yes 1984, clockwork orange etc are criticising your retarded politics. The authors even say this.

>Implying the people posting here are leftist
Get a load of this guy.jpg

>1984 was criticising leftism
Now this is bait.

>A Clockwork Orange. A Clockwork Orange is Anthony Burgess's most famous novel and its impact on literary, musical and visual culture has been extensive. The novel is concerned with the conflict between the individual and the state, the punishment of young criminals, and the possibility or otherwise of redemption.
In the authors own words inspired by 1984 and soviet russia and the excesses of liberalism.

>still the greatest film ever made
Really...well i never liked it at all !

>I like to copy paste descriptions
Wow you're retarded

KINO composition
youtube.com/watch?v=4J9b2OvNNKs
And KINO arrangement
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From the Anthony Burgess site.

->

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It's from here you retarded fuck
anthonyburgess.org/

Yeh and Burgess died in what, 93? Anyhow the other user is right in 1984 not criticizing leftism.

I'm not clicking your retarded fanpage. And Kubrick was right wing. Thanks

I like Kubrick but this movie wasn’t imerssive

worst "good film" i've ever seen
why are retards praising this garbage?

>Orwell criticized stalinism, being trotskist himself
>LMAO HE IS RIGHT WING HE CRITICIZED LEFTISM
Imagine being /pol/ level retarded.

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idk why are you denouncing?

what movie is this? i dont want old film they most of the time suck

Who said anyhing you are saying /pol/ screecher go back to your board.
>1984 not criticising leftism
Why can't you retards meme? all you can do is lie and low effort post.

He also gave names of communists and anarchists to the the British government. Come on. Even if he nominally claimed to be leftist he was virtually right wing.

>the anthony burgess foundation site is wrong!
Whats really ironic is you leftards itt saying CO is just about mindless violence and sex when thats exactly what the author despised people doing.

The joke is Orwell was so good at criticising leftism because he was so familar with it.

Do you ever stop baiting? The site could be right but you're wrong on many counts. Keep it up!

>the site is right
>you are wrong for quoting the site
Do you even just look at the mirror and think you are a dumbass useless pos?

"The Spanish war and other events in 1936-37 turned the scale and thereafter I knew where I stood. Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it." - George Orwell

Retard

so he'd be against the "democratic" socialists today retard.
Just like hed be against the democratic republic of Nkorea.

I used to go to Brunel University (where this scene was filmed). Every year during Fresher's Week they show Clockwork Orange in the lecture room Alex's treatment was filmed in

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Both Orwell and Burgess hated western socialism they are quoted as saying that. Both of their books criticise that but also centrally full blown soviet totalitarianism.
For instant they both had similar views about leftists states meddling in peoples freedoms. That being abhorrent to them.

Ominously random posted dates are ominous

Do you ever do more than a surface level reading? Keep it up!

>the author is wrong!

We're hitting levels of cope that shouldn't even be possible.

Read the British version of the book.
Kubick left out so many important details......

Look children, this is what retarded two party system doing to your brain - you are becoming unable to differentiate political movements and will LITERALLY call trotskists right-wing.
Riddle me this. Mao Zedong accused Khruschev government of revisionism and betrayal of leninist principles, while Khruschev criticized stalinist cult of personality for being non-marxist at XXth party conference. Both of them declared that their countries are building socialism. Who of them was dirty leftist commie, and who was the proud alt-right champion of free market?

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As with the Christian religion, the worst advertisement for Socialism is its adherents.
George Orwell

The words democracy, socialism, freedom, patriotic, realistic, justice have each of them several different meanings which cannot be reconciled with one another.
George Orwell

Based
I dont think you're entirely on the money. The two "antagonists" are supposed to represent real life british parties. The politician (might be the prime minister cant remember) is supposed to be a member of the conservative party, who have always been the party of law and order, but are also known for being fairly heartless, hence why he's in charge of programme to curb crime. The old writer, who's wife they rape, is supposed tobe a Labour party (possibly liberal party) activist/ journalist who uses allex to attwmpt to get his party into power. I dont think it frames either as the goodies, its quite critical of both

No they are both right and both wrong. Thats what a socialist is.
They both are applying socialism correctly as they see it both have horrible consequences.

It's cricket padding designed to protect the family jewels. McDowell had his cricket bag with him and Kubrick liked it.

This is not the best movie but I like it. You’re either an edgy highschooler or you just saw it for the first time recently

I didn't ask about being right and wrong, i asked about being left and right wing. He literally fought in the war in the trotskist party militia for God's sake.

>During his press chores, Burgess took time to attend a screening of “A Clockwork Orange” with a paying audience. He wanted to see what all the fuss was about. He wanted to see how Americans were responding, and found that “the theology passed over their coiffures.” He was especially dismayed by “the blacks” in the audience who shouted, “Right on!” at the thug-hero Alex.

That might be the classic jewish trick, when a jew is openly supporting or hating jews, but that doesn't count as an antisemitism, more like a sign of healthy proccess for inner improvement in the jewish comunity. Jews believe that any jew is their brother, nothing can change that, because according to Judaism only jews were given the human soul by god, the rest of ppl have animal spirit. Orthodox jews do not accept Israel as a country, officially, they are against Israel goverment, against Israelis who don't live according to Tora. Technically they're of the same ideology as nazis, but spiritually they love every single jew, pray for them, because they're all one chosen race.

Reread my post they are both leftwing and both retarded you fucking idiot commie.
They are both right and both wrong as they see it.
You commies are like kids.

Also orthodox jew are of the same opinion about Hitler, because they believe Hitler was sent by God to punish jews for forgeting Tora and religious life. Same for faraon, and many other disasters, that jew had overcame through history.

Every time i see leftists talk about this film they start talking about how its purely all about just a gang of thugs committing violence and sexual stuff.
Burgess hated that, he was a christian. The other Alex in the book describes what the theme was.
If you take away free will a person becomes a clockwork orange.
Thats what the writer within the book was writing a book called Clockwork orange criticising the states ideology

>Interviewer: You do believe in God then , Mr. Burgess?

>A.B.: I don’t know whether I believe in God or not. It seems to me that God is a very useful fiction, when Voltaire said " If God does not exist, it would be necessary to invent him. " I think he was propounding a very profound truth.

>We cannot get through the day without using, at least as a hypothesis, the notion of God, the notion of Creator, the notion of Sustainer.

>But I find it more and more difficult to accept the God of the churches, whether it happens to be the Catholic church or Islam, which is of course at the moment, a very, very, potent religious body because it’s tied up with oil.

>I think that the hypothesis of God is a good one, but in the sense that God has any relationship to me, the concept has no real meaning.

>I just merely accept God as a kind of intellectual hypothesis which I find useful, no more. I’m not a practising Christian, I don’t go to church, I don’t believe there’s a heaven; I believe that after this life we’re finished with, but during this life the hypothesis of God is a very useful one.

Was Kubrick, dare I say, /ourlad/?

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watch
m.youtube.com/watch?v=HcdhqWs2Uwg

at 12:00 he starts explaining the book and the christisn themes.

No this is retarded and you are retarded. The politician is a socialist and the programme is behavioural control brainwashing
The writer is literally fucking criticising the state for doing it.
He wants to prove the brainwashing technique is a failure and Alex can't be rehabilitated. In the book he is arguing for Alex's free will.
>You’ve sinned, I suppose, but your punishment has been out of all proportion. They have turned you into something other than a human being. You have no power of choice any longer. You are committed to socially acceptable acts, a little machine capable only of good. And I see that clearly—that business about the marginal conditionings. Music and the sexual act, literature and art, all must be a source now not of pleasure but of pain.

The writer and Alex both have the same name showing free choice.

Which Kubrick kino should I watch next?
I’ve seen
>The Shining
>A Clockwork Orange
>Lolita

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