Start taking acting lessons and courses

Taking classes in acting is a great excuse to meet girls. Also you will get to interact with them.

I've always been more into film production than acting. Always wanted to be a director but never followed my dream. It is what it is.

The best actors aren't normal people. The best actors are sociopaths.

>The best actors are sociopaths.
go on

I should be an actor.

I read a book written by a casting director and he said that all actors are insane and you just have to deal with that fact.

Take classes in directing then. Why not just go after your dream?

i dont go to acting school i go to movies

>join a "whose line is it anyway" kind of improvement group
>quite good at acting, being funny and thinking on my feet so do well
>few spergs there, one of which has a speech impediment that's so bad that you haven't got a clue what the fuck he's saying, kills the flow of every scene
>one gay guy that wears a rainbow flag shirt and lipstick, every time he has to choose a random word or calls out a suggestion it's some progressive shit, to the point that I even thought he was being ironic
>always get paired up with either him, the sperg or some shy fuck that doesn't know how to feed a joke to the other guy or even make one that's had the entire groundwork laid out and is waiting for the obvious punchline that the average human retard will not laugh at until it is explicitly said
>all the chicks were ugly too
>stop going

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I don't want to take all the jobs in Hollywood. Celebrities need to eat as well.

I starred in a couple of my friends high school project films and I've been told I'm a good actor but I don't really like it and I'm studying to get a real job where I wouldn't have to suck jew cock to make it.

>i am afraid to take a chance on myself
>/pol/ deflection
Imagine a world where you're not a little bitch, nice right?

>Implying you're the only thing you're taking a chance on when you decide to make acting your primary source of income
Imagine a world where you're a retarded wannabe bohemian without a single marketable skill, terrible right?

That's the definition of taking a chance on yourself. What did you think that statement meant?

Because it's a pipedream, the chance of becoming a director is so low, you'd be wasting your time.

Read Robert Rodriguez's book Rebel without a Crew.

Not only is it fun, it's incredibly therapeutic. But once you try to actually get your foot in the game, you'll see what true hell feels like.

What's the book?

I don't need to, i pity all those naive teenagers getting a degree in film who will never be actors or directors, they end up with no skills and no career. That other user is right, we all want to be actors or directors but smart enough to know it's a dream and use the time we have to get a career and make some money. Other industries/sports i'd say okay but director/film is a big NO.

As if Hollywood acting holds a candle to "actual" acting. Sitting in on a conference call and having to engage a group of high paid self masturbating executives and keep them actively invested on you despite the fact you secretly wish they all spontaneously choke on their own tongues requires more acting in ten minutes than any of these fucks have accomplished in their own lives.

>Why haven't you started acting?
I'm ugly, shy, insecure, and I cannot speak well. Anything else?

Audition by Michael Shurtleff

You have to do what makes you happy. If you just think about the money then you'll end up living a miserable life.

Taking a theater class is a good way to meet girls, at least thats what i though when signing up for one last semester. I showed up to my first class, and it was literally just a couple of numales, some black guys, and a fat girl. Needless to say i dropped the class after that. Total bullshit.

>Do what makes you happy
that doesn't pay the bills user. Near-impossible to be a director for me and many others, rather have a career and get some money, rarely do people enjoy their jobs, and the few that do are lucky but they are the few, the majority are not going to enjoy their job and that's life. It's easy to tell people to do what they enjoy or aspire to be, you have to realistic, atleast a little when it comes to your life and the path you can take, you have to assess your own abilities and come to term with what you are and what you possess and can do with it.

The irony of Hollywood is that you're far more likely to make it as an ugly character actor rather than a perfect Chad/Stacy type actor.

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Yes user, most of the board. Don't let that discourage you from giving it a shot if you like. Plenty of ugly actors out there, just rarely leading men.

Just started at grad school, getting an MFA from one of the top-rated acting schools in the world.

Feels real good, man.

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What's your point? acting classes would be a great place to improve literally all ofthose things

Acting makes me feel gay

I volunteer at the local Halloween scare houses. Free food and drugs plus I get to scare people. Super fun

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>you'd be wasting your time.
You're wasting your time going for a dream, but not by being a complacent npc doing what you're supposed to? How the fuck does that even begin to make sense?

Detective Michael Scarn freeze, FBI!

>Want to get into recreational acting
>Don't want to deal with the stereotypical theatre fags and the drama associated with them
I'll stick to my pen & paper RPGs

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Too ugly, speech impediment, anxiety.

Because acting is a dishonorable profession that every civilized society considered to be on same level as prostitution.

Stage Combatant is what you're after, it's a sub-division of acting. You can do it in acting colleges.

What century are you from?

If I wanted to act I could just partake in regular social activities and I'd rather not.

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Because personally, production is something I think I'm better at and would rather devote time and money in to.
Acting is hella fun, but I don't want to study it. I'd rather write something for people to act instead of doing it myself.

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What you written so far?

My brother works on cameras and lights and he always insists that Actors are either nihilists or weirdos or both.

Too socially awkward. Why the fuck do you think I'm on this site?

I'm great and I get energized by an audience instead of scared. But I am only good at comedic improv, clowning, marx brothers type shit. Reading contemporary romance/drama is like pulling teeth because I have so few emotional anchor points to draw from.

So I don't know what box I want to put myself into, but I also don't want to close the door completely. I have a six figure day job so it's also too easy to be complacent and let the passion float away.

>but all actresses look like whores.
Oh no you'll be forced to interact with sexually attractive young women, what a cruel torture!

You fucking omega.

Just minor stuff for my classes, but I'm going to be on a small writing team for a production someone at my uni is doing.

Me?
I went to screenwriting.
I just finished my third feature AMA.

Do you suck dicks?

How many have been picked up

acting is a lot of fun. I've done it, nothing huge, but have actually gotten paid for local theatre jobs, commercial, and indie/student film. unfortunately had to stop doing it at least for a while due to health problems. if anyone has any questions I'll happily answer them

Same answer to both: None.

I'd fucking love to pick your brain, but if you don't mind answering one question I'd appreciate it. How did you step out of self-insert circle-jerk protagonist style writing?

I feel your pain man.

I probably haven't yet, but for a short film I wrote for a class I kind of made it easy by making the protagonist older than me, and by making him lose at the end. If I wrote the character younger maybe I would have made him a self insert but because he's older and ineffective I didn't write myself into him.
It's definitely not the right way to make the protag likable though, I didn't really like him.

wish we could start /SAD/ generals on here - screenwriting, acting, directing generals, where fa/tv/irgins could have actors read their scripts and give feedback on their short films

i know it will never happen because everyone here is a psychopath, but still

>I didn't really like him.
This is the same problem I have. If I stop jerking myself off what I have at the end is some lukewarm faggot with no personality. Thanks for your time, my guy. Good luck with your production, if you blow up make sure to shout out Yea Forums for the memes.

People said I should be an actor because I looked good and I didn't know what I was doing with my life so I moved to a city where wannabe actors all move to and a friend from high school was in the industry there. Went to a few parties with wannabe actors and actresses and they were all so cloying, phony and desperate that it turned me off of it bigtime.

I can't act. I wish I could, but every fucking time I involuntarily blush and laugh so I'm fucked. I'm good with voices tho and recording off screen so I could probably be a voice actor.

>cloying
Sick new word. Thanks user. Also goes to show the caliber of talent at those parties when none of them could act like normal humans..

You're just unsure of yourself. As for me? I was made for this.

Youre a sociopath. All actors have no emotions and are just lying 24/7.

I have too much anxiety. I feel like I could be a decent actor otherwise but the nerves are too much.

but i do act, ive been in 3 plays at my community theater. its lots of fun and ive made some good friends

>it's very hard to succeed so I'm not even going to try

I don't understand this mindset. You're giving up before you've even started and trying to rationalize it as the "sensible" option

>if you blow up make sure to shout out Yea Forums for the memes.
That's the plan.

With something like acting I wouldn't be able to take the teacher seriously unless they were succesful actors themselves.
99% of the time that's not the case so I'd view it as being taught to sing by someone who couldn't hit a note.

Also you seem to learn some really shitty tropes in acting classes. Breathing heavily for dramatic effect, clenching your jaws to show discomfort etc.

That's because you're conflating fame with success and success with talent and talent with skill. People can be good actors without talent who haven't seen success and are not literally a cultural deity.
>clenching your jaws to show discomfort etc.
How would you show discomfort? Really curious as to what you think that looks like.

I’m too awkward and shy to act, plus I’m bald at 22 - no one would hire me for a dignified role.

>start taking acting classes to meet hot girls
>they're all out-of-shape, ugly, and annoyingly boisterous

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>want to be a writer/director
>think about how I act while working my service jobs
>that's kinda acting, isn't it
>consider taking acting class
>take local short film gigs
>meet cast and crew
>use the people I meet for my own directed projects

Then profit, right guys haha

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>you seem to learn some really shitty tropes in acting classes. Breathing heavily for dramatic effect, clenching your jaws to show discomfort etc
Sounds like you've taken some really shitty acting classes
protip: read Stanislavki, Micheal Checkov, Sanford Mesiner etc. If the class your taking isn't a runthrough of things talked about in there, the class is probably useless nonsense for fame-chasers.

because im not a faggot

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Why not just make a posting online, if you're near a major city plenty of actors will work for free. Save you the trouble of making friends with all those chodes

>theater is for homosexual men
where did this meme come from? Flamboyant faggots make the worst actors, they're literally incapable of subtlety

>How would you show discomfort?
by actually playing off of my character's internalizations and incorporating contextual cues from the scene itself and from my stage partner. not using tired and overbroad shortcuts.

Discomfort doesn't need to have an actual visual cue attached to it, and if there has to be one, it should be done with the eyes, not the fucking jaws.

>le that's because ure le conflating
But even then, even if you magically stumbled upon the one in a million who was actually an incredibly talented actor. Acting is to me more an art form than it is a craft, like painting. You can teach someone to paint, but you can't teach him how to produce a great painting.

You say it yourself, there's not a direct correlation between skill and success in the field of acting. So how do you keep track of your own improvements, with the check list from acting school?

>So how do you keep track of your own improvements
by setting goals that are specific, achievable, and measurable

>how would you show discomfort?
If you understood how inherently stupid this question was you'd feel embarrassed for having asked it.

This. Any acting """""method""""" that relies on a predetermined set of indicative actions is a fucking joke. There's no replacement for real emotions.

I've wanted to write a script for a movie for a long time. What could it be? I toyed with the idea of depicting the coming of age story of a loser. Ultimately I know it'll be shit, and it takes so much effort anyway, I always say I'll do it later, but I never get around to it. As I said anyway, it would be shit.

>dignified role
twenty, thirty years ago you would've been completely wrong. But in the age of rogaine and finesteride it's literally your own fault you're bald

that's okay. everyone has a great script in them, it's just buried under a hundred shitty ones. the sooner you start, the sooner you'll finish.

Sure, but those are all generalizations. How specifically would you portray discomfort, or do you just not know?
>Discomfort doesn't need to have an actual visual cue attached to it
Sure, if there is a narrator he could simply tell the audience about the character's feelings. However, outside of that you need to represent the feeling somehow so if not through body language then what's your plan?
>it should be done with the eyes
What would you do with your eyes to convey discomfort?
>You can teach someone to paint, but you can't teach him how to produce a great painting.
Sure, but that goes against user's point of:
>I wouldn't be able to take the teacher seriously unless they were succesful actors themselves.
A one in a million talent needs direction or a starting point, no?
> So how do you keep track of your own improvements
There are objective metrics to test against. Even if that was not true you could tell by the ratio of auditions to acting jobs offered, no?
>If you understood how inherently stupid this question was you'd feel embarrassed for having asked it.
Sure, I'd love to learn. Hit me with it.

I used to be in the drama club in college.

Got an unnamed guard role, was super bummed out about it. But then it turned out to be comic relief for a generally depressing greek tragedy and the audiences loved me. I was nervous and made small mistakes (luckily ones noticeable only by me and the director) the first couple of shows, but for the last one, man, everything was perfect. And the applause I got, holy fuck. Literally the happiest memory of my life.

>i know it'll be shit
don't defeat yourself out the door like this. you're probably right but you have to learn to discard that internal critic and just sir down and pump it out.
Protip: set aside a certain amount of time each days, maybe 15 minutes, maybe an hour, where you disable all distractions and do absolutely nothing but write. Doesn't have to be good, you don't have to feel good about it, just put words on a page. Stick to a schedule. Learn to feel bad when you miss it. If you stick to doing this every single day you'll eventually find your writing has vastly improved. Absolutely nobody comes out the gate a great writer.

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Acting still seems fun.

bruh

>I'd love to learn. Hit me with it.
If you're being genuine I pretty much explained it in the reply under that one. Indicating emotions will ALWAYS look fake and will ALWAYS bring the audience out of the story. The only way to capture them is to display REAL, GENUINE emotion from deep inside yourself. This is (and should be) and incredibly difficult process requiring a huge amount of skill and respect for the craft.

You're right, go for it user
Actors love an actor-diretor (tho crew tends to hate it)

Greeks loved their actors. You're thinking of the Romans, who had a shit intellectual scene anyway.

What's up?
I definetely agree that genuine reaction will trump the bestest actor pretending. However, I think for accurate replication the actor needs to only experience that feeling. I think the more important skill is to tap into the state of mind when the feeling was experienced. Don't you think these "trope" teachings people learn in your every day acting class is a mechanism that assists people with no experience to tap into those feelings? I think showing how to do it is a more effective strategy than saying "Boi, just feel it and then do what you would do when you felt that shit.", no?

Such as?
Roles offered? Doesn't mean you're getting better.
Reception? Doesn't mean you're getting better, especially not at the moment.
So, how?

It's the safer and more sensible option if you don't want to risk end up being a guy with no job prospects or skills. Everyone chasing dream is a risk but this one is a big longshot, just be real, none of us are going to be a director for many reasons and Yea Forums is just losers who watch films and aren't actually talented or truly passionate about anything besides watching the occasional film and thinking we want to be a director which we know in our heart isn't going to happen. Just because you want something in this world, it doesn't mean it's going to happen. You have to be a realist to some extent or you're just going to end up a failure with no job or money. What's to say we even like directing IF we somehow make it? people on this board don't really want anything, they don't want to work but want money, they aren't passionate or want to put any effort into anything particular and just cruise through life. or settle with a safe career/job.

>Roles offered? Doesn't mean you're getting better.
Why doesn't the number of roles offered increasing indicate increase in skill / understanding of the craft?

based

>Don't you think these "trope" teachings people learn in your every day acting class is a mechanism that assists people with no experience to tap into those feelings?
No. It's literally the opposite. Squeezing emotion out of yourself through tired cliches and tricks is like squeezing water out of a rock. The purpose of those tricks are to mimic the experience of a feeling rather than actually experiencing it.
>saying "Boi, just feel it and then do what you would do when you felt that shit."
Again, if you had a full frame of reference, you'd be embarrassed at how silly you sound. If you're genuinely interested in all of this read "An Actor Prepares" and all the acting method books that came after it. I promise they go a lot deeper than "lol just feel the emotions bro XD"

Because it's largely down to luck as well.
Casting directors look for types when they cast no-name actors. "We need a nerdy type who should look somewhat like X".

You could audition 20000 times and never be the guy they are looking for, or you could audition once and get the first role you go for. Not an effective way of tracking progress.

And after you get your break, lets take a somewhat recent example so everyone should be familiar. Jonah Hill in Superbad.
After that movie he didn't audition for 5 years. Was he a better actor after that movie than before? Probably not.

> read "An Actor Prepares" and all the acting method books that came after it
Will do. Sounds like I am missing some fundamental concepts. Cheers.

Could you elaborate on that, please? I've only really had one significant shoot, which went terribly because it was one trained actor, and the rest were my two friends that were just treating things like a hangout(a mistake I will not make again .)

I'm ugly

Stanislavki's book is basically considered the Bible amoung actors. Whenever someone who knows what they're talking about mentions "the method," that's what they're referring to. After that read "On the Technique of Acting" by Micheal Chekov, "On Acting" by Sanford Mesiner, and pretty much anything else you can get your hands on.
IMO Mesiner's method is the most effective since it relies so heavily on concrete, actionable craft rather than the more abstract and cerebral techniques presented in the other books. But they're all built around each other so you should get a full frame to gain a complete understanding. They say this shit takes 20 years to master so get cracking

Do you think actors don't audition anymore once they get their big break? Hugh Laurie had to audition for House. There were a lot of big names auditioning for The Office before Carell owned his.
>Was he a better actor after that movie than before? Probably not
Why don't you think he learned anything from being in a huge movie production? He has portrayed a range of characters after SuperBad.

That's no longer a valid excuse, jewllywood now despises beauty as part of the hostile postmodernist takeover, so they're hiring a ton of ugly actors to major roles

Sweet. Appreciate the extra mile, user. Has framing the reference point through your lenses lead you to any breakthoughs? Can you whip out the genuine feels at any time or if not what has been your obstacle?

Jesus christ, are you unable to understand even basic points? I specifically mention the five years where he didn't audition because it is something I know for a fact.
He audition for the Wolf of Wall Street.

They still have to audition sometimes, obviously. I never stated anything else.

He portrayed a range of characters before being in Superbad, whats your fucking point.

Not as fast as I can whip out my dick *unzips*
But nah it's still an intensive, brutal process that can't be taken lightly. I'm only at like 6-7/20 years so I've still got a while to go to be a master

I disagree with you about your position that increase/decrease of roles offered isn't a metric of improving in skill. When I prodded more about it you've gotten angry. I think I am done here, thanks for your time, user.

Any work you've done that we could seen you in? I know associating with 4th channel when its mass shooter central is a shit career move, but maybe you don't care.

lord no I'm not associating myself with this shithole

I don't think you can separate those questions. Both of them will always have the same number

Yeah that's what I figured as well. I got some reading to do, cheers m8.

>I won mom

If that's how you feel I am okay with that.

godspeed user, never get discouraged

now that's funny.
>Such as?
You are trying to simplify something really complex. There is never going to be a one-size-fits-all answer and no one can handhold you through career or life choices because only you know what you really want. My advice, just try something that scares you and go from there.

i prefer VAing but i have no idea how to get pass the gatekeepers.

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based zoomer. ill go on youtube and look at motivational videos now!!

Have you seen this?
youtube.com/watch?v=_sjZJ9i_mH0

Wait for Troy Baker and Nolan North to die before trying.

does that also expain about the union bit? because i heard its hard to get the good jobs if you don't join it.

This is way more rudimentary than that. It goes over work ethic and doing work for free and the starter equipment. That video is literally for people with zero clue. There are VA unions? That's fucking wild.

to my understanding troy baker and the rest of them are in a union and if you don't join, they'll cock block you from the good jobs.

That sounds like cancer. Is there any counter movement on people trying to monopolize an entire field? What the fuck. Also, why not join their union or not knowing how is the problem? Seems like you contact them and work from there, no?

NAYRT and idk if this applies to VA unions but for SAG at least it can be a bad idea to join when you're just starting out because it means you can't do non-SAG films which shuts you out for a lot of jobs.

If all the successful directors had your attitude when they were starting out there would be no directors in the world today.

This was my issue. I was at acting school for 2 years then I dropped out because the anxiety was just too much

Absolutely nobody is going to teach you to breath heavy for dramatic effect or clench your jaw to show discomfort. That’s indication, not acting