Who was the strongest?

Nah Windu easily won.

But he lost later on against Vader. Makes more sense with the explanation that Obi-Wan countered him with his defensive style

>that’s the reason he lost
>not because he had the high ground
Based brainlet

I dont disagree but if Obi Wan had no power at all he would have lost from the get go since Anakin was in his prime and embracing the dark side giving him another power up.

Id say blade skill wise they were on par but obviously in terms of force power anakin was ahead of obi wan by far

Again wrong. Anakin was at peak power BECAUSE he was enraged, that's how the Dark Side works. Obi-Wan however knew every move Anakin was going to make as Anakin learned everything from Obi-Wan and everything else was developed as they fought together in the Clone Wars.

Obi Wan threw that fight user, did you even watch that film?

Fuck your memes

I'm not saying Obi isn't strong that would just be silly but it's a fact that he only won that fight because he trained Anakin and why he was the only person able to take Anakin on.

Strongest at this point? Anakin. The one most disciplined? Either Obi Wan or Dooku. Obi Wan is at a disadvantage against Dooku's style, but does very well against more aggressive opponents like Anakin or Maul. It suits his patient defensive style. When Obi Wan uses his head clearly, which he usually does, he's top tier.
Anakin is the strongest, he's close to Sheev/Yoda tier at this point, and already there in terms of dueling. But... while he is fairly disciplined against Dooku, against Obi Wan, while he constantly chases his master,he's putting himself at a disadvantage due to his tunnel vision-like aggression, which Obi Wan knows how to contain and in the end counter.

That's my analysis, and it's the right one.

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Nigga Obi was the perfect person and probably the only one aside from Yoda that could beat prime Anakin. His defensive style was the best counter to Anakin's hyper aggressive one

>he can't interpret George's pottery

Anakin > Dooku > Obi-Wan.
However, Prime Dooku > Prime Anakin > Prime Obi-Wan.

>Prime Dooku > Prime Anakin

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In terms of raw lightsaber skill yeah. Read up on Dooku, guy switched to Form 2 specifically to mog other jedis

maybe not the strongest but the best is Kenobi

The dude was like, 90 years old at the time he was defeated ? Back when he was a 65-year-old Jedi Master he was the only one who could regularly best Dindu in lightsaber combat.

>Obi Wan is at a disadvantage against Dooku's style

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>Obi Wan threw that fight user, did you even watch that film?
wrong, he attempted to trick vader by turning his saber off and on but fucked it up because he was old

All the (Legends) novels say he knew he’d lose to Vader anyway. Throwing the fight was just accepting the inevitable, especially against Disney-canon Vader

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Qui-Gon and Dooku should have been made into the same character really.

Vader is obviously winning

So how do you make the first movie exciting without any ebin deaths?

This. Would have given Dooku's character a lot more weight.

Anakin was the strongest with the force. The dude literally moved a fucking planet.

Dooku was easily the best duellist at his peak though.

youtube.com/watch?v=groYO_51bwY

this, and the PT should've started with AOTC as the first film

Disney wants to have a word with you

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Who became more powerful than you can possibly imagine?

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Is Bloodlusted Vader the strongest force user?

ofc my boy mark renton

Anakin and it's not even too much of a question. Plagueis literally birthed that nigga with the force.

But he lost against Obi

Dooku, Anakin only won because he trapped Dooku in a tight corner.

Hell just introducing Dooku in TPM would have made his defection to the dark side more impactful, it's weird that he defected considering it was a dark side user that killed his apprentice.

She's the strongest

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AHHHHHHHH I'M CUMMMINNGG ASS PUSSY COCK

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Obi-Wan was THE master of Form III
Kept on the defensive side against Vader until he reached an area to his advantage, then cut his limbs off by anticipating Vader's arrogance.

No way could Obi-Wan have won if he used another form.

So Yoda trained Dooku, Dooku trained Qui gon and Qui gon trained Obi wan who trained Anakin.

Why were Obi and Qui such shit fighters while the rest were power fighters

high ground

Qui gon was shit but obi-wan was literally top tier

Qui Gon Jin and Obi Wan Kemobi are objectively the best parts of the prequels

always seemed to me like qui-gon and obi-wan were "classic" jedi, more defensive and less prone to combat. there's probably an explanation for it in some dumb book

The others had age and or rage

I disagree, I think Qui-Gon's character and the shadow it casts over Anakin and Obi-Wan and how that informs their relationship is the most fascinating thing about the prequels. Frankly Dooku probably just didn't need to exist at all.

Because the force willed it in order to make him even stronger, he needed to cut off his last vestige of humanity.

Why? Pretty retarded and it makes sheev cooler because he has so many apprentices.

Do you like my face to fist style?

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People think every bad guy nowadays needs a deep backstory and a bunch of screentime, despite the bad guys of the original being generic cunts that Luke doesn't even personally interact with. I mean fuck even Sheev has literally 3 scenes in the entire OT. Dooku served his purpose IMO.

Only in the new canon

Obi-Wan is only good at fighting hotheads since he's all about defense. Dooku beat him both times.

Because the original trilogy is hardly more than a 7/10 either way. What, do you people seriously think Sheev ever was a compelling character?

Oh my god you fucking retards Lucas himself said that Windu legitimately beat Sheev

Only because of Vaapad.

>only because he was better

I think both trilogies are decent adventure films that are beloved by those who grew up with them and dismissed by those who didn't. Prequels maybe come out a bit worse because the tone is more uneven.

Came here from the front page to post this, but clearly I don't need to.

They were all of equal skill but rock paper scissored each other like this guy says

The Sith has thousands of years of backstory

>Lucas
Literally who and why should i care about what some random eceleb thinks about star wars canon

Obi Wan was knocked down so quick both times in Ep 2 and 3 against Dooku

The point of Qui-Gon is that he's the ideal Jedi in contrast to the complacent order. Merging him with Dooku would demolish that point. The simple truth is Dooku should have been in episode 1, probably as another council member, but Lucas simply hadn't thought him up yet.

Nah. Windu was the n1 fighter of the era. Windu won, but Sheev was smart enough to us it against him.

try my nuts to your fist style!

Link the stream senpai

Anakin = Paper
Dooku = Rock
Obi Wan = Scissors

Anakin his power doubled since the last time they met.

He's the ideal Jedi figure by having him being a gary stu, a character with no known personal flaws. Wow, such complexity...

Dindu did win legitimately after using Vaapad. However Sheev could easily have killed him earlier when he took out the other Jedi but chose not to.

Anakin defeated himself. That’s what obi says

Who cares when they all get mogged by /ourgal/?

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Dindu was the best swordsman but not the strongest in the force

This
Dooku>Obi

Form 2 best form fuck “j**dai”

He didn't, at best he surprised a Sheev that was intentionally throwing the fight.

dooku was pretty much a good guy, and had jedi ideals (being elitist, wanting jedi supremacy over a democratic system), he just didnt believe anymore after palpatine revealed himself.
I think its clear he wanted to get rid of palpatine.

The term is Mary Sue, on the off chance that you're not baiting

Obi-wan. Never lost any arms

>Dindu was the best swordsman
Says who?
Seriously, who wrote that? There are dozens of Star Wars authors at this point, some of which were deleted.

Not every character needs to be complex.

i think they mentioned it in a movie, something like "hes almost as skilled as master windu"

Maybe master windu is just a high bench mark

Like saying someone is almost as good as Lebron James, when everyone knows Michael Jordan is the goat, but he’s just retired.

This lil nigga

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They were about equal, with Anakin being slightly stronger than both Dooku and Obi-Wan. What the prequels did wrong was making Jedi into superheroes to begin with though.

And Gary Stu is the Male version on the off chance you're not baiting

Anakin and it's not even close. Anyone who legit thinks otherwise is a fucking cuck that can honestly get the fuck out right now.

Wrong, the term is Mary Sue

>Anakin was the strongest with the force. The dude literally moved a fucking planet.
Sorry what? When did this happen?

Bro just stop. Lurk more. Not even that guy just stop.

>chased away an old man
>got chased away by sheev

yoda is a punk

Imagine actually making a literal Mary Sue in the current year

He lost to Obi like a bitch, what are you even muttering about?

Clone wars on Mortis & (as Vader) on mustafar.

>superheroes
What? They do pretty much the same shit that they do in the OT, just better and faster. TK stuff, jump good, deflect blaster fire, etc. Granted the lightsaber fight choreography gets pretty stupid sometimes but nothing I would call superheroic, outside of maybe that retarded force speed shit they do at the beginning of TPM that never comes up again.

Sorry wrong link

DOOKU IS GOAT>Obi wan Riley is doomed BEN going to marry MEW>Anakin plowed worst Emma once or twice and now has a broken home. holy fuck george is a manlet.
youtube.com/watch?v=XFbPiUEA62A

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>that retarded force speed shit they do at the beginning of TPM that never comes up again.
youtu.be/t3dI-ghYimg
That's because of how dangerous its use is

>What? They do pretty much the same shit that they do in the OT, just better and faster.

The prequels did a very poor job of delineating power limits and occasionally turned things into a superhero cartoon. It wasn't just the overboard lightsaber duels, even the battle with Yoda vs Sidious was over the top.

youtube.com/watch?v=iu3qoIsGzUM

>being so much of a brainlet you can't tell he was baiting Anakin

>Again wrong. Anakin was at peak power BECAUSE he was enraged, that's how the Dark Side works.

Wrong. Anakin was canonically emotionally conflicted over betraying the Jedi, the situation with Padme, and having to fight his father figure.

Absolutely nobody is >Prime Anakin. Lucas said he would have been twice as strong as the Emperor if he didn't fuck up on Mustafar.

>In terms of raw lightsaber skill yeah.
Did you miss the part in Anakin defeated Dooku in RotS faster than Yoda did in AotC?

Kek haven't seen this in probably a decade.
Well I think it's worth noting that we're dealing with probably the two most powerful force users here. The hoverpods are big but we all know that size matters not, and there is that moment in ESB where Vader is chucking a lot of smaller shit at Luke. I'll give it to you in the interest of fairness, but I still think that outside of this display there is little that distinguish them as particularly superheroic over the OT.

Obi kept jobbing to dooku in the movies and toon.
He somehow managed to overpower both savage and maul though.

The high ground

>some bullshit that wasn't in the movie
nobody cares

Yoda vs sidious is kino

why does it looks like they're using baseball bats instead of fencing with lazerswords

Anakin says when talking about obi wan he's as wise as master Yoda and as skilled as master windu or something very close to that. I think In AoTC obi wan also says something along the lines of if you practiced as much as you fuck around you'd be as good as master windu. Windu is definitely considered a top tier fighter

Remimder that Dooku got prime bald pussy working for him

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I mean an old dying Yoda picks up a spaceship with relative ease so I don't think sheev v Yoda is that bad.

>canon Ventress
Eugh

youtube.com/watch?v=_OY1qhrbWJg

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God. why is her face so punchable?

What if he was in the Sequel trilogy?

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Anakin (light side) beats Obi-wan and Dooku
Dooku beats Obi-wan
Obi-wan beats Anakin (dark-side)

The dark side made Anakin more powerful but also retarded

>Vaapad

Does vaapad have a long cooldown? To an outsider it sounds like you're talking about WoW.

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>what is being an old and weak fuck

What fanfiction is this edgelord from?

>looks like kylie jenner
>orange butt cheeks spam
>pretending obi or anakin would ever want to hit that when they already have top tier waifus

Honestly Padmé isn't any better since she's just a generic cuntiun both design and character, while Ventress' design has been ruined forever since her appearance TCW.

>ruined forever

You mean improved

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She really looks like dedicki here. Dedicki should play an imperial agent though. Ventress is still trash.

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Go back

Hell no.
Her current look is overly cluttered of unnecesary details such as the face marks and visible pupils, and in general gives a very unappealing appearance that associates her more with your ussual background character than the recurring villain she's supposed to be.
I'll admit that she does look good in that particular picture, but that has more to do with the way she's been drawn and not what the actual design is.

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No, Debicki as Ventress for Life

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>such as the face marks and visible pupils

So her appearance in the Republic comics, where she had Facial Markings and Visible Pupils?

Dooku had the most skill and experience
Anakin had the most talent
Obi-Wan had the best grasp of the fundamentals.

Until Anakin reaches level 60, and becomes an unstoppable killing machine and beats paper, but can’t find scissors since scissors is invisible. And that’s what we call, balance.

Good Anakin >
Sheev >
Obi Wan >
Mace Windu = Bad Anakin

The separatists don't have enough strong antagonists with spine after they turned grievous into a joke. Ventress is hardly a threat to sideous' power so making a force unleashed reference was unnecessary and diminished the threat of the seps to the protagonists. The good guys are definitely going to btfo the seps again this episode.

Obi-Wan was a defensive fighter and only beat emotionally inept autismos like Anakin and adrenalised Maul

>a force unleashed reference

???
Explain

Kek what is this?

>tfw black dad said Anakin was a weak skinny white boi
>tfw flew into an autistic rage and argued with him why he's wrong and explained that Hayden Christensen is way taller than him and bulked up for ROTS
fucking hell I'm such a sperg

It's a Skywalker family tradition.

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>jobbing
Fighters Den??? Is that you????!

From my point of view, prime Sidious > everyone including rage vader, high ground obiwan and prime dooku

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I didn't even like seeing Yoda using the lightsabre. I wanted to see a longer Force-battle

This.

Sidious and Yoda were on equal footing at the beginning, but the longer they fought the more powerful Sidious got due to the Dark Side. Anakin had the potential to surpass them both but got crippled and ruined. As of the first two trilogies, Sidious>everyone else.

I want Ventress to beat me within an inch of my life, spit on me and call me worthless

Dooku < Obi < Anakin < Sheev < Vader < Luke < Rey < Ripley

And a robot with 4 arms

qui gon used form 4 that is a jack of all trades form, but leaves you open to attacks because most of the moves are wide and long.
it's why obi switched to form 3 that focused on pure defence

Anakin had the most raw power of all of them. His midochlorian count was off the scale. That said, both Obi Wan a d Sheev had more and better technique.

A man who can power lift 900 lbs can still be beaten by a trained boxer who cant lift half as much. It's all about technique, which Anakin lacked from youth and,let's face it, arrogance. He didnt feel he needed to pay attention as much as he should because of his power level. He even told Padme he was ahead of Obi Wan in many ways. That arrogance was gonna bite him

He was too old to be trained. Yoda told everyone and they ignored him

Anakin was a better duelist than Dooku by episode three. Some of their fight can be explained by the difference in Form V versus Form II, but mostly it was just a competition of raw skill. Also prime Dooku was objectively RoTS, he had spent years up to that point dueling the best jedi of his era and he was hardly every faced with the same level of competition in his youth, even pre nucannon. No matter what cannon you use, it always goes
Anakin>Dooku>Obi

Grand Master Luke>everyone else. Nucannon's fucking trash.

>muh forms
I don't understand how anyone can put stock into this utter horseshit

dooku's form 2 is all about elegance, fencing and pure dueling.
anakin's made up form is basicly using a lightsaber as a baseball bat or jackhammer to overpower his opponent with pure brute stenght.
plus anakin was young, dooku was old as fuck. so it was a stamina issue

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that wasn't a fair battle because Sidius knew all Maul moves, Savage is not even Padawan tier and I bet Maul never saw Sheev using two sabers

Luke was twice as old as Anakin when he learned about the force. Perhaps the problem is the rigid jedi order.

Nice filename.

I think that was kind of one of the points of the prequels. It showed how the Jedi Order was shit now and too dogmatic

Yoda was 900. It's not about age, it's about your knowledge of the Living Force, young Padawan.

Anakin considering he also became a ghost.

He's the guy who played Samu. L Jackson in Starwars

was there any Sheev factor in the final Dooku duel?

KotOR II: The Sith Lords

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Mostly referring to her original concept art.

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Palps having vader dispose of his secret apprentice.

Anakin was unironically the best one of the 3. But is this ranked on force knowledge or duelling capabilities?

Because Yoda was most powerful force user
Mace windu was the strongest duelist.

>easily countered grievous in combat
>beat sheev in a fair duel after having 3 other masters instagibbed

Anakin.

>easily countered grievous in combat
No longer canon and was a niggerly move to boot.

anakin lost cause he wanted to meme on obi-wan. if they kept going pre-high ground anakin would have eventually won

It has to stay canon because grievous cough is in the movie

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This may not have happened if Obi hadn't snuck onto padme's ship. Maybe if he put a tracking beacon on or something.

He does his gay cough in the filoni show. Lucas wanted him to continue being snidely whiplash when furloni wanted him to be somewhat tougher.

I know you are messing about but thats entirely the point. Nihilus and Sion are the edgiest of edgy super powerful dark lords of the sith OC donut steel, but are still failures being tossed about at the whims of the force in the eyes of kreia. They are weak because of it.

Anakin is basically space Jesus and has the highest midichlorian count indicating the greatest potential strength.
I'm not sure he ever reaches peak potential before being put into a stiff robot suit though.

Reminder that it takes more than flashy choreography and epic music to make the best lightsabre duel in the entire franchise

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General Grievous' greatest sin was being a Star Wars character in the first place.
This franchise would have never made him justice as it is.

In legends old canon the armor hinders him, in new canon the armor isn’t a torture device at all but a supersuit & his powers increased instead, so in a sense he only reaches his potential after he dons the armor (& that one time on Mortis).

Supposedly his encounter with windu made it worse

yea, somehow still looks better than all the spinning in prequels

nucanon is fucking retarded tho let's be honest

Nucanon is fucking retarded, but all the things it’s done with Darth Vader have been the best shit Star Wars has ever crapped out

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kek

I don't know man, I feel like the veneration of Vader because he's the face of SW is kinda stupid. It's a purely business oriented move, and while it does make for some cool moments it really gimped the worldbuilding.
The biggest fault of nucanon vs the EU is that they really can't worldbuild for shit. Everything feels like it's just there to serve the movies when before the world was way more credible on its own.

The biggest offender to me still is the idea that somehow the Empire dissolved and the Republic didn't want to have an army for some reason. The long EU war of a bazillion warlords with the Alliance slowly making it to Coruscant made much more sense. It just doesn't allow you to wipe the slate clean to do ANH2:TFA and be the laziest of writers.

vader takes lava baths now?

During their second duel I'd say

Dooku > Anakin > Obi Wan

Dooku held off the other two while trying to take out Obiwan without taking out Anakin. And succeeded too. It's debatable whether Anakin > Dooku by the end of the movie though.

It's clear that Anakin > Obiwan though. He had the edge pretty much the whole time on Mustafar and only lost because of his pride and Obiwan baiting him.

Dude I’m agreeing with you, nucanon universe is a trash heap. I’m just saying I think all of Vader’s new series have been the best SW content they’ve put out - it doesn’t excuse how terrible the rest of their stuff is. Diamond in the rough, you know.

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New canon Vader’s suit is lava-proof, can withstand point-blank AT-AT fire, an A-wing kamikazeing it, glancing lightsabers, falling off a mountain onto a rocky spike & the pressure at the bottom of the mon-cala ocean.

I hate that the EU and prequels turned Star Wars into a powerlevel wankfest

meant this for you

>I don't know man, I feel like the veneration of Vader because he's the face of SW is kinda stupid

That started with the Phantom Menace

he let mace win

Actually Obi lost to him like a bitch. And anyone who doesnt recognize that Anakin was quite literally the jedi messiah (which was the storyline of the entire prequels and also like half the OT) must have been asleep whilst watching the movies. Like I said. You're a fucking cuck and you can leave.

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>Why were Obi and Qui such shit fighters while the rest were power fighters
They were alright. Maul was the first Sith they encountered in millennia yet Qui gonn survived an ambush on Tatooine. Obi wan was competent enough to beat Anakin and survive order 66.

Why did RLM say there's no point to quigonn?

>the two strongest force users on both sides having a battle entirely unlike others

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err wtf
how does that make sense with the technology shown in the universe
this is more idiotic than whatever iron man packed

Not good enough.
>b-but jedi are meant to be weak and incapable of lifting super heavy shit!
The power to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force. Not believing hard enough is how you fail.

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How was luke able to burn him then?

If it helps it’s because Palpatine ordered the Star Wars equivalent of Iron Man, Cylo IV, to design the suit to be as potent as he possibly can, & even then Vader would constantly reconstruct & adjust it to suit his needs. For reference, Cylo had already worked out the key to immortality by transfering his consciousness between an army of lab-grown clones.

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I think it's both. The armor is a claustrophobic and likely heavy as fuck thing which is so uncomfortable that he has special chambers created so he can take it off and live. The thing is, fear, anger and all that shit are dark side emotions. Thus keeping Anakin constantly tortured makes him hyped up on the dark side and ready to explode any time there's a jedi they're hunting and Anakin gets a chance to release all his built-up rage.

>half the OT

Anakin being Space Jesus has no basis in the OT, that's entirely a prequel invention

Same reason Ben & Vader didn’t do flips in a new hope, they keep adding to their powers as SW goes along.

Not that guy but Anakin in OT was built up not as space jesus but some kinda great jedi knight and someone really good at what he does for Obi wan. Then came all that
>A certain point of view
shit making Obi wan forever unreliable as a source.

oh it's just a force vision.

There’s actually evidence for your point. Vader’s on record as saying the suit itself no longer causes him pain, but in the new novels he also says his injuries fuel his rage & increase his powers even further.

In the OT Anakin was just a Jedi Knight who turned to evil, then killed the Emperor in a redeeming act of love for his son, nothing more.

The super duper strongest Jedi ever, the chosen one born of a virgin who will bring balance is 100% prequels only

Yeah, it takes very good tricks and people swiping at each other's weapons the entire fight.

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Damn it I forgot to tag again

>for you

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But why would you shoot a man after throwing him out of a plane?

In OT, he was reputed to be
>the best star pilot in the galaxy and a cunning warrior
before
>Ah, father. Powerful Jedi was he, powerful Jedi.
and
>Much anger in him, like his father.
Anakin was noted to be exceptional by jedi standards, that he was a cunning warrior and Yoda himself said he was powerful. It's just he had emotional issues that turned him into the dark side.

It fits their narrative. Whether it was a good idea or not, Qui-Gon is important to the story Lucas wanted to tell and the idea that people make bad choices because of their complicated upbringing, not because they are born evil. Maybe you could find a way to do this without Qui-Gon, or you could provide an entirely different reason for Anakin's fall, but for the story as-is, Anakik falls because of Palpatine's exploitation of his issues with attachment, stemming from his mother, and complicated by his strained relationship with Obi-Wan, caused by Qui-Gon's death, and thus ultimately by Qui-Gon's belief in Anakin in the first place.

I mean, sure, he's presented as a very capable Jedi but not the super duper strongest literally conceived by the Force itself bullshit from Phantom Menace

I dont even like the prequels and I love Quigon. He's not a boring rules autist like the rest of them and seems to actually have a spiritual connection to the Force unlike the dweebs on the council who obsess over literal rule books

I wonder if spirit Qui-gon ever tried to help dead Dooku?

I don't know why the prophecy winds people up so bad. It's just a framing device. Anakin is destined to bring balance to the force because he already did it. He's destined to fall because he already did it. At least part of his arrogance stems directly from his belief that he is the chosen one.
It's the midichlorians that bother me more because they are entirely unnecessary. We don't need to know his power level and it never even comes up again. Qui-Gon's belief in the prophecy and Anakin's viegin birth and strong connection to the Force is more than enough. If you replaced the midichlorian scene with an instance of Qui-Gon quoting from the prophecy upon learning of Anakin's unusual birth:
>…And in the time of greatest despair, there shall come a savior, and he shall be known as THE SON OF THE SUNS
It would be much more effective and solidify Qui-Gon as the rogue mystic at odds with the overly clinical order who have long since discarded notions of prophecy. Hell, if the relay wanted the midichlorians in there it would have made much more sense to have the council test him rather than Qui-Gon, but still reject him because of his age.

Not him but that's what Qui gonn is supposed to be in a nutshell. He's a demonstration of how far the Jedi unknowingly degraded to the point where they oppose the one guy who was right about everything. The kid he brought and they refused to train? They admitted he's the chosen one. Qui gonn was what the Jedi are supposed to be and the rest of the Jedi oppose him for his behavior. That TLJ scene of Luke saying the old Jedi let Sidious do whatever didn't say a single new thing next to Qui gonn.

>It's the midichlorians that bother me more because they are entirely unnecessary.
It's just a name for the a biological factor to the Force we already knew from OT. Lucas also quoted it in 1977.

>having the high ground in a conflict of any sort is a meme
>brainlets can’t into Sun Tzu

Dooku: Based
Ben Kenobi: alright
Ani: Shit

>anakin above obi wan
are you retarded?

Ain’t fucking with my nigga

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It's not even necessarily the idea of them that bothers me (though I still find it rather superflous) and I'm not the type who thinks it completely ruins the mystique of the Force or anything. It's mor about how it's implemented. I just feel like attaching a power level to Anakin is so clinical that it sort of undercuts the whole idea of Qui-Gon's belief in a prophecy. But maybe George thought it was instead an interesting blend of science and mysticism, I don't know.

>Mace Dindu

Can't believe that was his actual name. Lucas was a subversive genius.

>Master "Bisect a Mando" Revan
Based

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not even katarn tier

It's not really a power level attacher. It's just something about max potential. Anakin as a kid or even adult clearly wasn't a better force user than Yoda who could 1vs1 Palpatine. Also, Qui-gonn already had hunches and could sense it, the midichlorian count was just a harder confirmation for a force-based gut feeling.

>one of the richest men in the world
>creates jar jar in bad taste and has to marry an ugly black women and make a shitty ww2 movie to prove how not racist he is

Vaapad is a variation of the seventh form of lightsaber combat (the most aggressive) and is fully working physical and mental martial art. The mental aspect essentially allowed him to absorb Sheev's dark side energy and channel it back at him. Basically it allowed Mace to make up for the difference in power between himself and Sheev. At least that's how it was in the old Expanded Universe, with Disneyshit yeah it probably is like WoW or whatever.

Could a shotgun kill a jedi pretty easily? I don't really think that they could push the bullets away, and they aren't going to be able to deflect the bullets with the lightsaber.

Best duelist. Prove me wrong.

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t. zoomer

he wouldn't even beat satele chan

Depends on circumstance. A Jedi might sense a shotgun coming & may force pull the shotgun from its wielder's hands or do similar to Neo and stop the shots mid-air. I doubt all Jedi can pull it off but there's bound to be some.

based retard

In the same situation, I’d argue that Mace and Yoda would also be able to clap Anakin’s cheeks

>implying Exar Kun wouldn't fuck Satele
He's going to romance her and cuck Malcom.

youtu.be/7fdjAqh-MGk

not an argument

He's been dead for more than 3 centuries.

*imprisoned

>the prequels aren't canon

even if you don't want to accept that Vader is hailed as the ultimate jedi gone rogue you still couldn't deny in your reply that Anakin is space jesus in the PT and thus more powerful. Even when you reply to anons on an indonesian slave rating forum you act like a cuck. Cry harder faget

Lol this dude is jar jar tier

The prequels are "canon" in the sense of the larger franchise but the OT was not written with any of their lore in mind

What happened to Disney Rey meme threads?

Not that guy but some unused stuff later became prequels so it was kinda a weird reverse.

Bump

absolutely untrue lucas had 4 trilogies planned and the OT was the only one he had written since it was his favourite, disney literally and unironically robbed us of 6 star wars episodes

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That's fucking stupid. Maul is easily the coolest Sith but Dooku would obliterate him.

The prequels are so fucking good.

george willingly sold his baby to disney. it’s pretty much just as much his fault that he didn’t make them

>people actually arguing that Windu won the fight against Sheev
Sheev murdered 3 of Windus friends before he could even blink. He made himself appear weak to gain Anakin's sympathy and cement his hatred against the Jedi. The novelization (canon, even post Disney) makes it even more clear.

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I still don't understand why Maul was letting his little brother use his primary weapon and he was using a single saber. No wonder he got beat so easily. I saw that fight and I kept hoping that at the end, when Sidious had him beat, he'd force grab his dead brother's double saber and give Sidious an actual fight but nope.

Honestly, Maul got treated fucking terribly in this show. I think he even lost to one of the OC donut steels.

Sheev I still an old as fuck man past his prime

The best lightsaber duel is Maul v Obi.

Where the fuck is this from?

Scrapped special addition from Lucas before start wars was bought by Disney

Stronger: Anakin.
Based : Dooku, mf knew the ruse from the begining, warned BOTH Anakin and Obi-one, and probably were the only one to really keep Qui-Gon's real ideas.
The downside is that he took the CIS leadership with the porpose to always keep it down, if not for the plot armor and downtoning, in reality the CIS was the most scary, efficient and based of the clone wars.
A whole army that doesnt sleep, get sick, speak, eat, or even feel fear. Even when they found that droid general in Rebels its said that the CIS was taking the lead in the war before the shutdown.

Would prime dooku have been able to take Anakin?

Anakin was more powerful than Dooku. Dooku realized it just before his death; he saw the Vader of the future and knew his fate. And because he was younger and more emotionally volatile, Palpatine knew that if he didn't corrupt him, Anakin would eventually kill him.

In terms of one's connection with the force, Obi-Wan may very well be the most powerful Jedi in the canon. Once his transition to the dark side was complete, Anakin tried to take him out every chance he got because he saw him as his greatest threat. Windu and Yoda both trusted him and confided in him completely. Palpatine consistently diverted Obi-Wan's suspicions away from himself because he feared a confrontation.

Obi Wan was the post powerful because he killed Anakin and Anakin killed Dooku. Even in their final battle Obi Wan let Vader kill him so he could go into the force

who had unlimited power? one hint, not mace dindu

I think that wouldn't make much sense. How is Vader, in his suit, better than Sheev who can slice masters apart and fight Yoda and Windu? How's Dooku's Christopher Lee-based stuff not better than Maul?

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>the best lightsabre duel in the entire franchise
But user, I don't see anything made by Blur.

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Obi Juan, as long as he holds the high ground

does anyone have that high ground theory screencap?

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>palpatine feared confrontation
But not because Palpatine feared Obi-Wan but because Palpatine feared his plans would not pan out if he were to start total war on the Jedi before the setup was complete.

fucking this, anakin basically wanted to dab on obi wan but got too cocky

this was fucking dumb, I think sheev fighting in 3 was dumb but I'll let it slide because he wanted anakin to save him. but this was stupid, he should have just shocked both of them

Nigger he was making it up as he went. Vader and Anakin were not the same person until Empire and you think George had it all planned?

Absolutely delusional

Not that guy but while that was something he made after rejecting the initial ep5 treatment he thought was distasteful, much else was planned. He hadn't filled in all the holes but the general threads were there.

He also made the emperor a Sith in 5 instead of the patsy George considered him to be in 4. Things changed a lot, he didn't have some grand master plan, but he did have a rough outline of a lot of stuff. The circumstances of the fall of the republic, outside of Palpatine being little more than a puppet or stooge, was recounted in the original ghost-written novelization and changed little over the years.

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Kreia is Arren Kae and she was extremely hot when she was younger.
Exar Kun is still the best saberstaff user.
Revan and the Exile never got along very well, the Exile being recruited by Malak instead of Revan and eventually being placed at Malachor V to be fucked up with several other Jedi.
Revan is also a canon troll who enjoyed making Malak mad by programming HK-47 to call people meatbags, male Revan enjoyed teasing Bastila
Sev is still alive.
Vader's wiener burnt off at Mustafar.
Genndy-Grevious needs fear, surprise, and intimidation to win against top tier Jedi. Dooku manhandled him during training and Windu instantly crushed his chest. He stood no chance, in his injured state, against the fearless Kenobi who can smile before he willingly lets Vader kill him.
The proper thing to do to female assassins sent to kill you is to inseminate them like Luke did Mara Jade.
If half of Maul's lightsaber survived the fall down that shaft with Maul, surely Kenobi's first lightsaber should be somewhere down there too and at minimum repairable if not usable without repair.
Palpatine is an extremely skilled lightsaber user but his skill with the Force is his main strength. Windu disarmed him but as evident by his fight with Yoda, Palpatine is perfectly competent ditching his lightsaber and hurling things at you or using Force Lightning. Windu only completed step one of beating Palpatine, admittedly a first step most Jedi have no chance of completing.
Togrutas are hotter than Twi'leks.
A Jedi must have no emotional attachments, so sex would be far less intimate.
A Sith would be too passionate, possibly torturing you so you too would feel anger, hate, fear, pain, etc.
You won't actually read this far or flat out ignore this post because of its length.

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More like iron swords style of swing, light bis massless idiots

Iron swords are way faster.
youtube.com/watch?v=4GoQlvc_H3s

you stupid ass motherfucker

he wanted to flex on maul and remind him that he was still his little bitch apprentice