Daenerys had no reason to burn those civilians...

I still can't believe there were 0 consequences for blowing up the sept. What an horrible show.

The rest of the show would have been very short if this bitch had received consequences for her actions.

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No one cares old news shut the fuck up

It made perfect sense it was just rushed. All the basis was there. The entire show she burned, let Drogo plunder and murder, she ironically crucified people in stead of regular humane execution, her advisors constantly kept her in check and Tyrion talked her down from doing the very thing she ended up doing how many times? Yeah, she was a crazy Targ with power as the driving force, she just lucked out with being able to do some good along the way. In the end she had basically lost everything and of course they could have ruled together but her obsession with her birthright fucked it up. Get the hell out of here with it didn't make sense. It was all there, peoples brains just couldn't handle their normal pacing be squeezed together and suddenly they forget everything that has been in the entire show all along. Get the fuck out of here with that nonsense.

No, she always wanted to do right. She wanted to free slaves. She literally said she didn't want to be the queen of ashes. You're only picking the side of the show that supports the nonsense, ignoring the rest of her characterization.

>OH NO MY LEFTIE SELF-INSERT CAN'T BE THE VILLIAN
Conveniently forgetting that Danaerys planned to invade Westeros with Dothraki even before she got her dragons. Care for the poor and the slaves was the excuse, not the motivation.

Holy shit kill yourself

this.
sick of these topics. she didn't go evil, she just lost all hope

Dumb cunt should have picked one of the free cities and stayed there.

>Yeah, she was a crazy Targ
>Targs bad!
>Starks good!
>Burning people bad!
>Unless Tyrion burn people!
>Punishing monstrous slavers bad!
>Slaughtering Freys good!
Dany being a slave to her genes fucking lame and serves no message. It's almost as dumb as Bran being King for no reason.

It wasn't just that it, was more the fact that everyone close to her either died or turned away from her (save that cuck faggot Grey Worm). Jon's rejection was the final straw that turned her insane.

Wanting power and wanting to do right aren't mutually exclusive. GRRM borrows heavily from Tolkien and Dany with her Dragons is the equivalent of Gandalf using the ring. Her desire to do good is the reason she does evil

Fucking thisss, and when she, astride drogon, saw the red keep, it was not only a symbol of everything she had lost up to that point but a symbol of everything that had been taken away from her family. In her eyes the people of KL allowed this to happen and deserved to burn.

first off, she's not a dumb cunt
second off, she's not one to settle

>Jon's rejection was the final straw that turned her insane.
And he would ever reject her why?

She did the right thing while on her crusade of power if she really wanted to be good she would have stayed and gone back to save the cities she had already saved from their new slavers. She can both be a crazy targ and a savior and obviously she was both, but in the endyshe succumbed to the rage. She crucified people for fuck sake. No matter what they did, you're not a pure, good savior if you start with that shit. Absolutely no reason to take revenge for slaves and children, eradicate the threat? That's war. Ironic torture? That's madness.

I loled.

>Daenerys had no reason to burn those civilians
t. someone who's never met an insecure girl trying to prove herself

Crucifying slavers like that is not madness in the context of the setting.

Daenerys' behavior actually makes perfect sense in view of her being, essentially, a white liberal.

To the white liberal all existing institutions and social norms exist as barriers to an imagined ideal of total freedom and equality, and thus any measure is acceptable in the pursuit of tearing them down wherever they do not immediately cow to their will, even if it is in stark opposition to the actual will of the people they claim to represent.

To the white liberal "the people" exist as not as a facilitator of progress but as an obstacle to it, constantly needing to be reeducated or replaced by people more willing to pander to the bourgeois delusions of the brahmin-esque elite of white liberalism, and the consequences of implementing their unrealistic policies are perfectly acceptable because anyone who suffers as a result must have deserved it.

Riding on a horde of foreigners whose interests have nothing to do with the high-minded ideals she claims to champion, the white liberal rides into a society she has no real connection to, and demands the capitulation of their entire civilization to her whims. When it doesn't happen fast enough, she does exactly what white liberals do in real life: She sets about destroying the native people, because the very fact that her ideas and her proposed rule is loathsome to them has to be because they are evil, not because her ideas are stupid.

The outrage surrounding Dany's behavior is not that it is out of character, that is a desperate cope. The outrage stems from the fact that the portrayal is accurate. She didn't care about her divine right to rule because according to it, Jon Snow was actually her rightful King. She didn't care about any of that because it was never about the institution of Kingship but about imposing her will on an unwilling world.

> they could have ruled together but her obsession with her birthright fucked it up.

litteraly asking jon to rule with her, but somehow she's the problem.

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Yes it is. She could have executed them mercifully. Shown that she won't let people suffer the way they did, but that they still have to pay with their lives. Why are you defending this, it's obviously cruel to inflict suffering no matter the reason or justification.

Yeah, he definitely fucked it up as well.

Because she was his aunt and it freaked him out.

Because they deserved it.
Everybody who tried to scheme against Dany, saw with their own eyes that she wanted to share power with Jon. Sansa and Varys made no sense in their actions.

Avunculate incest is not considered incest in Westeros. Take a look at the Stark family tree. Also, Jon never bothered to explain WHY he acted the way he did.

Mad Dany was the sole redeeming factor in the entire of s8. Literally everything else was trash. It's telling that it's also the sole reason normies got upset with the show

1. She put him in a position of making him choose between her or his stark family.
2. He could still smell Varys burnt corpse (turn off)
3.shes his aunt.

TL;DW

Longlady bad.

GODS SHE WAS CUTE THEN

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>1. She put him in a position of making him choose between her or his stark family.
I am talking about Jon's rejection BEFORE she went insane, obviously.
>2. He could still smell Varys burnt corpse (turn off)
The same Varys who tried to murder his aunt based off a hunch?
>3.shes his aunt.
Doesn't matter in Westeros.

just came here to see if anyone posted this. based user

Rickard Stark the father of ned stark was married with Lyarra Stark,his cousin and got Brandon, Eddard, Lyanna and Benjen with her.

1.she say that they can all live together if jon tell nothing like ned did his all life, she even want to rule with jon after all the shit that happened. Jon was manipulated by tyrion and sansa, and most of all he was dumb because of the plot.
2.jon killed olly, he know how to deal with traitor.
3.incest is bad only for the cult of the seven in the south, not the old gods of the north.

He's right. Dany has always been a petulant child playing make believe with fantasy nukes.

Was Aegon playing pretend when he conquered Westeros?
Tywin married his cousin and Lysa Arryn had no problem with her son marrying Sansa.

GoT was the biggest disappointment! Nothing makes sense. But, hey the money was already in the pocket, so why DABID have to expend for this shit. FUCK YOU DABID! FUCK YOU!!!! Always the same Shit with the „good“ series.

>I am talking about Jon's rejection BEFORE she went insane, obviously.
So am I.
>The same Varys who tried to murder his aunt based off a hunch?
Doesn’t matter who, more to do with how burning people alive is very disconcerting.
>Doesn't matter in Westeros
In e04, Varys is telling Tyrion how incest is not kosher in the north, but normal for Targs. At least in the show anyway.

I dont know the deeplore but probably. He might've had more of a plan to rule than just "become king because it's #MyTurn"

That's how most of these things start. It's why Robert failed as a king.

>jamie shows up to get cersei to surrender
>she doesn't
>jamie strangles her and goes to deliver the surrender
>doesn't make it in time and dany burns shit not knowing that cersei is dead
better reason for dany to go mad, jamie doesn't get character assassinated (as bad), valonquar happens

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>So am I.
Daenerys didn't make Jon choose between her and his (other) family. She rightfully asked him not to reveal the truth that Ned Stark was able to keep a secret for almost two decades. Literally no downside to this.
>Doesn’t matter who, more to do with how burning people alive is very disconcerting.
Your complete headcanon, especially given the WHY to said burning. Also doesn't explain Jon rejecting Dany before she left Winterfell.
>In e04, Varys is telling Tyrion how incest is not kosher in the north, but normal for Targs. At least in the show anyway.
That's called a retcon and it was done to take the lazy way out. Also, Varys isn't Jon and has barely ever spoken to him by that point. Bad, lazy writing.

>Was Aegon playing pretend when he conquered Westeros?
Worse, he was throwing a hissy fit
>Oh so the Storm King doesn't want his daughter to marry my bastard brother huh ? Then EVERYONE DIES

Sounds like you're mad that your expectations were subverted

They were kings landing scum and needed a lesson in what it means to oppose the dragon

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Hi Lindsay

And millions of others who thought the ending made no sense.

Why does everyone complain about this but not the first episode where Jon says he had to bend the knee to get her help even though that was a lie

S8 would have been top tier kino if the final episode was a bait that led to an entire season 9 featuring mad Dany.
>You will never see Dany 'tie-up-loose-ends' and murder the Dothraki
>You will never se Bran warg into Drogon to stop Dany's madness
>You will never see things return to their best- when people were bickering around a table in king's landing and toying with murdering each other

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Mad Danny was kino, it was just autistic how long it took for her to burn everything though. It made her look like a retard when she should have probably just burned a straight path to kings landing

That crippled faggot can't warg into dragons, but yeah It would be kino

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Why are people surprised at the chaos of giving a teenage girl dragons and a Superiority complex?

>Jamie was character assassinated but Dany being mad is fine
People actually believe this

>Seeing her mate beheaded drove her insane.
And she shuffled off quietly instead of ordering Drogon to burn the Mountain and Cersei off the battlements that instant. Makes sense.

What got her about Jon’s rejection wasn’t the rejection but that she knew Jon has a stronger claim to the throne so they can’t even “just be friends”, he’s an actual threat

Oh, I just remembered another reason I hated The Long Night: the faggot cripple did nothing. That's Westeros's new king.

The entirety of the story pointed to Danny becoming unhinged and to Jamie redeeming himself. The show just decided to draw in SJW viewers by having Danny being a very vocal self-righteous bleeding liberal most of the show in addition to all the questionable things she has been doing all throughout the series- so at least while the switch was handled poorly and far too abrupt, at least it was true to character.

Jamie's entire character arc was destroyed. Danny's arc was about her descent, while Jamie's arc was about his redemption.

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>Jamie's entire character arc was destroyed.
What a load of bullshit. Jamie loved Cersei beyond anything, this was clearly shown throughout the series, hoping that he would desert her is such a typical, not to mention unrealistic route. They were incest twins for fuck sake, that was the whole point that he simply couldn't give her up because of how close they were.

I would have loved to see Dany be this unhinged through a whole season instead of a couple of episodes. What a waste

When was he redeeming himself kek, when he was gonna kill everyone in riverrun? He stood by his sister after she blew up the Sept and sacked and pillaged for her and only walked away from her when she was playing politics eith the apocalypse for her own power, even then what did he do, showed up by himself which doesn't do anyone any good other than make himself feel better. Him going back to cersei after the apocalypse was over makes perfect sense, meanwhile Dany never descended or did anything that bad and they had to retcon all of season 7 and other seasons to get her being the baddie to work

Also, if one can point to Dany going mad and say, "It was always supposed to happen," why can't the same be applied to Jaime's ending? Granted, I highly doubt Cersei even makes it as far in the books (if they ever come out), but how does that Jaime was always supposed to have a complete redemption arc?

Dany's been burning innocents and speaking of conquering since season 3, Jamie has been on a clear trajectory towards redemption since the same time

So, Dany vowing to help Jon save Westeros in season 7 didn't matter, but Jaime being Cersei's bitch up until he saw a wight should be taken into consideration?

What innocents, like 2 slave masters? Jaime killed more than that in season 7, how does that fit your trajectory

>Dany never descended or did anything that bad
Torturing bad people that deserve it is still torture and speaks to her character just a much as freeing slaves does.

The city was full of slavers that needed to be punished.

>Torturing bad people that deserve it is still torture and speaks to her character just a much as freeing slaves does.
You're applying modern values to a fantasy medieval setting.

>Jamie has been on a clear trajectory towards redemption since the same time
Oh really? Guess you've been watching some headcannon version of the show then. Please do lay out exactly how he has been on a redemption arc that negates his relation and feelings toward Cersei.

>What is grey morality
This series fanbase is such a joke

daenerys's and jaime's arc were destroyed
cersei was humiliated and was just only there for drinking wine at window
jon became the dumbest man in westeros
the night king was killed by a little girl with unlimited plot armor
nothing make sense, there is only subverted expectation
targ bad, stark good
bran became king because of his story

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Not really, being cruel is being cruel simple as that and it speaks to her character. There's a reason Ned chopped of heads and Jon hangs people who literally betrayed him and their creed and murdered him. Because he wasn't a psychopath hell bent on retribution. It was simply law.

Not to mention that Sansa fed a man alive to his dogs. She got to be Queen in the end. Arya chopped up two men, baked them into a pie, fed said pie to their father, and then committed mass murder. Arya, too, got a happy ending.

But crucifying slavers is going too far.

>Not really, being cruel is being cruel simple as that and it speaks to her character.
Then what about Arya and Sansa's cruel behavior? Or is it not cruel when a Stark does something vicious?

Easy buddy, I'm not in some character favorite or good contest here. They are both just as bad, especially Arya.

>only person in the world with the ability to nuke a city
>constantly threatening to nuke cities
>loses everything
>nukes city

how was this at all surprising or out of character? this was always going to happen

Yet their actions were portrayed as good. Where is the consistency? Your argument is bullshit given the context of where the story takes place and the lack of consistency.

If Sansa and Arya's actions can be spun as good, so can Dany's. If Starks can be cruel to cruel people, so can Dany.

>loses everything
?

the only people that are mad at the ending are brainlet Danyfags SEETHING that they got tricked into rooting for Westerosi Stalin
They feel so fucking dumb that they couldn't see it coming that the only thing they can do is lash out at 'muh writing' because they didn't get their capeshit ending

suck a dick reddit

>the only people that are mad at the ending are brainlet Danyfags SEETHING that they got tricked into rooting for Westerosi Stalin
Retarded and patently false statement.

>it's not retarded nonsense that she didn't just marry Jon and easily defeat cersei without going mad cause that one time she was stranded in a desert she made threats

sub 70 iq nigger

I didn't care about her much either way until the last season

for making this even worst she already lost friends, her people and lover, her closest advisor and her child in earlier season and she didn't snap.

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100% the case, the writers totally know their audience though as they felt the need to get Tyrion to basically face the camera and explain why the power crazed WMD wielding turbobitch was actually as much of a threat as the WWs all along
yet it still went straight over your dumb fucking heads

I don't get your point, anything can be spun any way by anyone. As I said me personally couldn't give a shit about favorites or good or bad, I'm just saying that Dany has been doing shit all along that speaks to her going crazy at the end and that's true. If the Starks went on a killing spree I'd say the same because surprise surprise, most characters in that world who doesn't cave in on themselves by fear would be plenty able of doing what Dany did.

Meant for

She sure was power crazed when she kept a political enemy well fed on her island and then saved him

reminder that s7 is the highest rated season on IMDB with the Dragon and the Wolf (Jon fucks Dany) the highest rated non action oriented episode ever

when your talking to a GoT '''fan''' who is mad at s8 your probably just talking to a post S5 showfag who reposted LEBBBBINNN BOATSEX on reddit and upvoted every JonxDany romance fanfic

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>I'm just saying that Dany has been doing shit all along that speaks to her going crazy at the end and that's true.
Then Arya should have gone crazy, too.
>If the Starks went on a killing spree
There is no "if". Arya went on a killing spree and it was portrayed as good. Arya gave the Freys what they deserved and Dany did the same to the slavers. How is one an instance justice and the other an instance of cruelty?

There is no consistency and no point in trying to apply your 21st Century views in a fantasy medieval setting.
No, they used Tyrion as a mouthpiece to justify bad writing. When a character has to basically turn to the camera and explain what happened for 10 minutes, that is shit writing.

Well it's not the same at all since she didn't lose all those things at the same pace and quantity, she had a lot of support when she lost those things back then and she didn't lose her birtright, the one thing she was pursuing all along to someone else whom she loved. I mean you see how there are differences right?

>that is shit writing.
you dont know the first thing about writing, you have never wrote anything else has read, let along enjoy, in your life. Go watch some more reddit videoessays normie fuck

>Then Arya should have gone crazy, too.
One can argue she did, but two wildly different characters, one on a revenge road for specific targets, the other in a giant power struggle with people supporting and going against her with Dragons at her disposal.
>Arya gave the Freys what they deserved and Dany did the same to the slavers. How is one an instance justice and the other an instance of cruelty?
They're not. As I said cruelty is cruelty, no matter how much deserved it is.

so can her fat ass not go 5 minutes without eating a bag of funions?

>with the Dragon and the Wolf (Jon fucks Dany) the highest rated non action oriented episode ever
>The Dragon and the Wolf
>9.5
>The Lion and The Rose
>9.7
>The Children
>9.7
>The Laws of God and Men
>9.7
Qualifying with "non action episode" is also retarded, so you are a double retard.

>Please, please, Viserys, I don't want to, I want to go home.
Here's your mad queen bro

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>muh schadenfreude
Have sex

>bad things happening to a city that forcefully taken by an enemy force
D&D sure jumped the shark with that one, what an unrealistic and ridiculous portrayal of war. Don't they know that nobody ever does anything wrong in war if they believe themselves to be morally righteous? God I hate them and their shitty writing.

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>you dont know the first thing about writing
Not an argument, retard. I don't have to be a chef to know that a dish tastes like shit.
>One can argue she did, but two wildly different characters, one on a revenge road for specific targets, the other in a giant power struggle with people supporting and going against her with Dragons at her disposal.
One can argue that Arya got to have her cake and eat it, too, while Dany had to go mad because MUH GENES.
>They're not. As I said cruelty is cruelty, no matter how much deserved it is.
And the cruelty must be taken into context of the setting, which you fail to be capable of doing. If the cruelty lauded by the story in one instance, but retroactively demonized in another, that's bad writing.

>she didn't lose her birtright, the one thing she was pursuing all along to someone else whom she loved.

that's even dumber, tywin speak about wedding in earlier season, daenerys speak about wedding with a lord in westeros too, all of that bullshit drama can be solved by basic medieval politic.

>S7 ending: Jon we'll fight together you have my word
>S8 E1: THE BITCH MADE ME BEND THE KNEE I SWEAR
Your show sucks lol

>that's bad writing.
Sure. But Dany going mad wasn't, the execution was just rushed.

She lost a dragon and a friend nonsensically. She didn't lose her birthright and she didn't lose her support from her allies.

>But Dany going mad wasn't
Yes it is. It makes no sense in the books or the show, and it reeks of Stark favoritism.

>doing a 180 on 7 seasons of characterization with 0 seconds of buildup or foreshadowing isn't bad writing

>It makes no sense
It does. Burned. Plundered. Murdered. Tortured. On a quest for power all along and with a family that is known to go crazy. It's so obvious user, what are you even talking about. It was rushed, poorly executed, but it absolutely made sense.

>70 minutes long
Lemme guess she's butthurt dany became evil?

>Burned. Plundered. Murdered. Tortured.
how many smallfolk?
>On a quest for power all along and with a family that is known to go crazy.
every time it happened they could see that shit coming YEARS in advance

>i'm the son of rhaegar and lyanna, i'm the rightful heir
>and who say that ?
>my best friend and my brother
>do you have other proof that you are their son?
>no
>...yeah i totally believe you

what a shit season

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Jon riding a fucking dragon should have raised eyebrows, but nobody found that odd.

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>She did the right thing while on her crusade of power if she really wanted to be good she would have stayed and gone back to save the cities she had already saved from their new slavers

The show makes it pretty explicit that the cities she saved are fine, she defeated the slave masters, and created a democracy in Slavers bay. What more do you want? She literally freed the people, killed their enemies and gave the power back to the people.

Crucifying people is pretty terrible. But these are slave masters that crucified children. I don't understand why we are suddenly expected to judge Daenerys on modern day morals. Like holy shit she skipped due process, oh noes. Not in my Westeros! She is mad! By that logic everyone is fucking mad.

>The show
In the books things turn to shit pretty much the second she leaves each city

And what exactly is burning an entire city full of civilians who had just surrendered in front of her entire counsel and then going back to making speeches and acting as if nothing major had happened supposed to do for her?

No matter how you excuse it, GoT S8 is the worst piece of media we got in a long long time.

>Crucifying people is pretty terrible. But these are slave masters that crucified children. I don't understand why we are suddenly expected to judge Daenerys on modern day morals. Like holy shit she skipped due process, oh noes. Not in my Westeros! She is mad! By that logic everyone is fucking mad.

The same people who bitch about Cersei being crazy think Tywin is a good leader. Fucking Tywin! The lunatic who destroyed Westeros by being a backstabbing mass murderer. The mind boggles.

>wants to destroy her enemies
>gets told not to destroy her enemies.
>spends 7 seasons helping and freeing innocent people
>loses some things, turns into an incel.
>murders a hundred thousand innocent people
>suddenly has zero apathy and feels no remorse.

tormund and other ride a dragon too, and everyone is stupid this season, is the only way to further the plot.

>And what exactly is burning an entire city full of civilians who had just surrendered in front of her entire counsel and then going back to making speeches and acting as if nothing major had happened supposed to do for her?

It establishes that she's not to be fucked with. Surrendering after you lost isn't surrendering. Literally all successful pre-modern warlords did shit like this on a regular basis. Pretending that it makes her insane or particularly vicious is ludicrous.

>GoT S8 is the worst piece of media we got in a long long time.
That's at least something we all can agree on.

>dude targeryen genes lmao

>In the books things turn to shit pretty much the second she leaves each city

The show isn't the book.

>Those slaves just don't know what to do with themselves other than kill each other without dany or the slavers keeping them in line
Pretty dumb too desu

>Surrendering after you lost isn't surrendering.
Truth.

And not destroying people and showing restraint always ruined things for her. Dany does not solve a single fucking thing throughout the entire series through diplomacy - she just burns people alive until everyone falls in line.

When pushed to her lowest point and facing a real challenge to her claim in Jon she decides shes done playing nice and will make sure everyone in the world knows what happens you oppose her. Shes done trying to be loved and will instead rule through fear.

IIRC what actually happens is the slavers immediately siege and retake the freed cities

This would be fine, if she didn't just go back to acting like good ol' Dany in the episode immediately afterwards and assume that do-goody Jon who she KNOWS is starting to lose respect in her and who she fell in love with especially because of his moral compass would just stand idly by and watch her downfall unfold. Worse yet, she even asks him to rule along side her and somehow deludes herself into believing everything will be okay. I would be completely okay with Dany going into a villain, and is more than likely what we're getting from GRRM, if ever. But it has to be built up to, not something that comes out of fucking nowhere and breaks everything that the character was built up to be. God, what a shitshow S8 was.

>Her behavior in the last episode was not consistent with her behavior throughout the entire *several seasons

Yes, but this is a fault in those seasons. The ending is a natural, fitting ending to the character premise, the ending is not the issue, the failure to sufficiently lay the groundwork for that ending is the issue. They had a choice to make a character that made sense vs. making a character that pleased twitter, they chose the latter at every point and then didn't leave themselves enough room at the end to satisfactorily turn it around.

Here’s my hot take: this really was planned from some time ago, and in fact was even meant that some of the things in the show are supposed to be moments of ‘huh, she kinda went a bit too far there’, however the audience at large were too stupid to understand any sort of nuance and were completely complacent in just yaas’ing her no matter what she did
Now as a result, once this was understood by the writers, they did pander to the audience and stopped trying to add nuance in their presentation of the things she was doing as being somewhat questionable and indicative of her power hungry nature
They probably tried to bank on the audience having enough loyalty and perhaps intelligence to be able to look back at some of the earlier actions at Dany and say ‘actually I kinda feel bad not realizing she really was just a slightly not as bad tyrant this whole time’, they even threw in Tyrion’s ‘oh we could all argue they were bad men who deserved it’ like to drive their point home
They underestimated the power of blind yaas’ing, or in Yea Forums‘s case blind waifuism, because for a lot of people that was the REASON for their enjoyment of the show: even if they HAD more properly set up Dany as having precedence to her turn earlier in the show, it would have just turned people off from it, because turns out the large majority of people don’t actually want subtle and morally gray stories and rather just want the traditional fantasy good vs evil they’ve always drove out to see en masse

This happens in the show, too.

The only reason theres any "solution" to Slaver's Bay is because Dany destroys the entire armada of the Masters. She tried diplomacy. Didnt work. So she killed people until no one was willing to oppose her any longer.

that's why evil bran is the best thing that come out of s8 alongside the music

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>shes done playing nice and will make sure everyone in the world knows what happens you oppose her.
that why she started killing everyone BUT the people who opposed her?

How does she face a challenge when the person with the allegedly better claim has little proof, doesn't want to rule, and is her lover? It's completely contrived nonsense. Why would Varys and Sansa try to stab her in the back instead of just having her marry Jon?

>Pretending that it makes her insane or particularly vicious is ludicrous.

How she acts afterwards is pretty fucking insane.

She goes full Hitler, shows zero remorse, seems incapable of showing empathy. Has no idea why Jon is upset. She's giving crazy speeches that make no sense in languages half her audience doesn't even understand. Wild mood swings, from glaring at Jon as if she was about to kill him to smiling happily and embracing him. She comes off as completely delusional with no idea of the ramifications of her actions.

We've seen how she acts to the death of innocents, but now? How do you not think she's snapped.

So your telling me Bran worged into Daenerys and is the reason she went psycho? Because he knew it would ultimately lead to him as ruler. Very smart.

It was clearly on the horizon once she torched the Tarlys

>Doing morally grey things means you're a villain
>But muh normies don't get the nuance
Lol

Because Varys and Shansha both know Dany is an unstable psycho who wouldnt respond well to being sidelined, and Shansha doesnt want to kneel to another Southron ruler

It was crazy of her to give hem a chance to live, no real reason to and it's an insult to the people they killed

>Dany does not solve a single fucking thing throughout the entire series through diplomacy - she just burns people alive until everyone falls in line.

She's tried diplomatic approach multiple times to varying success. She got Jon to bend the knee without the use of violence against him. She earned the loyalty if Jorah and Barristion without violence. The second sons flipped sides. She played the diplomatic game in Meereen in order to try to secure peace, marrying one of their nobles, opening the fighting pits. She didn't need to burn anyone alive to get Dorne, the Reach, and parts of the Iron Islands on her side.

We can just ignore that though and just ask why is solving things through violence now a bad thing? 99% of things in Westeros is solved through violence. Do we judge Robb and Sansa and Tyrion and Jon for solving most of their problems through violence?

jon was exactly where he was supposed to be.
between s6 and s7 bran fully became the TER, after that a lot of things can be explain by having him triggering event like the death of baelish by telling everything to sansa and arya, the nk having a dragon to cross the wall by sending a letter to dragonstone and delaying the conquest of daenerys, the knife given to arya to kill the nk when his jon was done, the secret of jon etc...

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>no real reason to
Except that for a moral character it's much better to not kill people than to kill them, and killing prisoners at your mercy isn't the same as killing soldiers on a battlefield

>Because Varys and Shansha both know Dany is an unstable psycho
How do they know that? Because they read the scripts beforehand?
>who wouldnt respond well to being sidelined
How do you know she would be "sidelined"? How do they know she would be sidelined? How would she be sidelined? And how does Varys not know that she let's Jon tell her what to do? She even asks him what to do.
>Shansha doesnt want to kneel to another Southron ruler
Sansa, as the Lady of Winterfell, should shut the fuck up. And what's the downside of having her "brother" as King-Consort to the woman with two dragons? Was Dany threatening the Northern way of life in any way? Lastly, how is her nonsensical plot to backstab Dany good for the North? She risked tens of thousands of lives based off of a hunch.

and Shansha doesnt want to kneel to another Southron ruler

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>and killing prisoners at your mercy isn't the same as killing soldiers on a battlefield
Those prisoners were soldiers who betrayed and killed her allies, sided with the enemy, refused to bend the knee and refused to go to the Wall as punishment. By all measurements, they got what they deserved.

event the shit writer say otherwise

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The problem is that they white washed the living shit out of Dany. All the characters really.

They changed Westeros because they were lazy and rushing. This is now a world where Cersei can kill the Pope, destroy the Vatican, kill a beloved Queen and in most peoples eyes the King and ursurpe the throne with zero repercussions. So when they hand wave away all the problems in Meereen away by killing two slave masters and one ship the audience as been trained to believe it.

Dany should be leaving a trial of destruction everywhere she goes. But she's not, she's enacting democracies, and being presented as a hero.

Look at what she did to the Tarlys. This was supposed to be a major clue to her eventual turn. What do they do? They give us a character we already hate. A man who wanted to murder his son because he wasn't manly enough. A man who betrayed and led to the death of a beloved character. Then present him as racist and xenophobic. And still they make Dany give him multiple ways out, showing him mercy beyond anything Jon or Sansa or Tyrion ever did.

They did this shit all the time. They were terrified of making thier heroes look bad. Look at Arya and Meryn Trant. All the shit Trant did. All the shit Trant did wasn't enough, they also had to make him a pedo rapist who liked to hurt young girls because god forbid we might question he actions of one our heroes.

They were basically afraid to make the characters as grey as they needed to be. Instead they made them heroes and just jammed all that grey into the last moments of the characters arc.

is salsa the most blatant case of author favoritism in the series?

Maybe if this bitch didn't exist.

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>The only reason theres any "solution" to Slaver's Bay is because Dany destroys the entire armada of the Masters. She tried diplomacy. Didnt work. So she killed people until no one was willing to oppose her any longer.

In the show she stops the slavers and creates a democracy. Then we hear nothign about Slavers Bay again.

Normally you would think, Meereen is prrobabyl pretty fucked up. But remmeber this is now the show that lets Cersei destory the Sept, kill the High Sparrow, a beloved Queen and in most peoples eyes the King and she sees nothing bad come of it. If that can happen in Westeros then there is no reason to believe that Meereen is not now a democratic paradise.

This

The show turned Tyrion, Varys and Jon into pacifists to try to make Dany seem crazy for wanting to burn down The Red Keep.

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I'm so glad I stopped watching this trash after Season 4 lol
Honestly, it was already showing a lot of cracks by then. You fags should have seen this coming, especially knowing they ran out of book material.

That’s the point. Women’s behavior can be wildly unpredictable. That’s what the show was about.

Thats the true nature of thots.

>first off, she's not a dumb cunt
t.ranny

women dont work on logic. She literally just got very angry and just killed everyone on an impulse. That's why women should never be given high positions in any institution.

And it was exactly that mentality that made them have Daenerys suddenly turn into Hitler on the last three episodes, because they needed to make sure Jon would be seen as a hero when he killed her.

YAG SBARRO?

The books suck after the third though

The shows' version of books 4 and 5 is actually an improvement

Ned Stark would not approve.

>The shows' version of books 4 and 5 is actually an improvement
I never read the books, but I am insanely doubtful of this statement

yeah it's bullshit. season 5 is worse than 6 or 7 even.

I got 2.5 books through (glad I didn't finish the rest), but from what I understand, books 4 and 5 contain a shitload of world building (i.e., filler). I don't know about the claim that they are worse than season 5, though.

affc+adwd are horrible, but what they did in the show was worse. the only good thing the show did with those two books was fast forward through them. you know how tyrion and jorah end up as slaves ? that was 80% of their plot throughout adwd, being slaves. it's terrible.

Books 4 and 5 are incredibly boring, delving into Ironborn and Dorne storylines that don't really go anywhere.

I thought we established this months ago, why bring it up now?

START THE DAMN THREAD BEFORE I PISS ME SELF

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THE WHORE ISN'T PREGNANT

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SHE WILL BE, THE BABY IS HERS BY RIGHTS

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True ending.

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