Best WW2 kino?

the barn

>Not encircling even more anglo divisions in France
>Not telling Mussolini to take Malta
>Not supplying Romanians with AA/AT guns to prevent Stalingrad encirclement
>Not telling Mussolini to fuck off with his Greece invasion which delayed Operation Barbarossa by 2 months
>Not winning at Kursk

Rome Open City

did the wrong side lose?

Actually old Soviet cinema is basically all WW2 kino, watch Ballad of a Solider

Not German-centric enough for Yea Forums? That's all there's ever posted in these threads I wonder why.

Your stupidity is painful to witness.

Band of Brothers is universal king of WWII kino, but I’m assuming you’ve already viewed it.

das boot

for me?

it's the Sherman

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Sorry user, hope you get better

nice dubs
ww2 was a fight between capitalism and communism with the nazis in the middle. that's why they got rekt

for me, it's the Tiger

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It was an alliance of two totalitarian shitholes with imperialist plans wrecking shit in Europe for profit and another faction that wanted to keep the European balance out of fear of losing their advantage. With various alliance shifts here and there.

Come and See tries to portray the dreariness of war, but because it's Soviet they had to take it to unrealistic levels to turn it into propaganda.
Ivan's Childhood is just a drag to watch. I haven't watched The Tin Drum but based on those two suggestions my expectations aren't high.

Oh What a Lovely War!

>propaganda
how is it propaganda?

They were literally fighting the entire world

That being said, the fact that one country lasted as long as it did fighting all the world's countries including three major empires is genuinely impressive

That’s true...they really had everyone scared shitless

they lost the oil fields to russia

>They were literally fighting the entire world
to be fair that's largely because they declared war on two of the largest countries in the world

Low IQ take right here.

It was the sovereign states of Europe fighting against both Capitalism and Communism.

Europe hasn't had a sovereign state since 1945.

The Tin Drum is based on Gunter Grass's novel if I remember. He's a big thing over there but it's not supposed to be a super realistic portrayal of war unlike his autobiography. I can watch Soviet cinema but I can't enjoy it fully I know very well what country made it and why (though they probably still had less historical lies than modern Russian movies judging by the shit Russian officials say these days).

Everyone was raped and/or murdered which is coincidentally exactly what Soviet troops were doing to absolutely everyone they encountered. Typical jewry trying to spin history the other way.

la battaglia del deserto
why yes I only watch movies for the music, how could you tell?

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They fell apart immediately after they were actually challenged. Mostly because of ridiculously retarded decision from the top especially Hitler. Both regarding policies in occupied territories and military decisions (also those regarding military technology which practically killed German war effort).

How do you think the Nazis dealt with partisans? Are you familiar with how the Nazis behaved in Belorussian territory? Are you familiar with the Dirlewanger Brigade?

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You know, come to think of it, Hitler could have just stopped at Poland, after which point Nazi Germany would still be around today. It was really only Hitler's greed that screwed him over. Weird to think about. Maybe if nazi Germany were still around eventually the USA would become more nazi like as well, or even Britain or France through cultural influence. All he had to do was chill out for a second

Red Thin Line

did you even watch it?

The Nazis had no choice but to go to war due to the nature of their economy. Had they not it likely would've collapsed hard making the Great Depression look like child's play.

Wehraboos plz go and stay go

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what does that have to do with that guys statement about the soviets behaving like feral animals?

imagine being such a brainlet to post all this retardation

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For me it's the IS-2

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Their allies still wanted to launch a second bolshevik invasion. Eventually. We have no idea when and we won't know that for sure. Either way from German perspective Poland wasn't the reason for war not even a little bit.

Best WWII kino is To Hell And Back
>comfy recruitment propaganda
>none of the Spielbergstein "watch goyim lose their limbs and lives gruesomely" edginess
>based Audie Murphy reenacting what he actually did
>makes the war look even more comfy than it was

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>Hitler could have just stopped at Poland

Probably Czechoslovakia. Rally the anti-communist ideals of the West against the USSR as they inevitably invade Yurop, win praise as the defender of Western civilization.

Hitler should have been more kind to the Poles, and the Poles should have never gotten the absolutely USELESS guarantee by the British.

Both were eventually victims. Hell, the Russians themselves were victims for living under Communism.

Did you? It was about the Dirlewanger Brigade and Ukrainian collaborations which fought Belorussian partisans there wasn't much exaggerated there considering 628 Belorussian villages were destroyed over the course of the war. I know it's hard to believe but the SS were actually brutal. If it was propaganda the Soviet government wouldn't have prevented its release for years.

>the barn, sexy af Satan isn't a thing.

Germany

Look. We all hate the Jews.

Are you saying that every single village was burned down or shot up? That's exactly what's portrayed in the movie. They were also accompanied by Ukrainian collaborators who were perhaps the biggest pieces of shit in WW2.

Read 'Wages of Destruction'. Germany was facing financial ruin, the Nazi economic 'miracle' was just a bandaid, they needed territory and resources and fast otherwise they were going to have to go the the German people and tell them that times harder than under the Weimar Republic were coming.

He's claiming Come and See is propaganda because it portrays the SS as overly brutal and I'm asking him if he's actually familiar with SS activity in Belorussian territory during WW2. It's not an embellishment at all refer to

Moot point none of these countries were the main goal. Either retaking the overseas colonies (which Hitler found unlikely very quickly) or conquest of lands in east of Europe and possibly France (sources regarding his plans for France are more vague some say that he wanted to attack France first but even if that's true I still don't know if only for Alsace-Lorraine or, like in real life, he got greedy when he realised how easy it is to beat them. Czechoslovakia was necessary for war factories and Poland for securing border in the east (the invasion and alliance with USSR was the result of their refusal but that's common knowledge).

The decision to destroy Nazi Germany was made in 1933. It was never going to be allowed to live.

>Are you saying that every single village was burned down or shot up? That's exactly what's portrayed in the movie.
The movie never implies every single Belorussian village was destroyed. It even gives an exact number at the end "628 Belorussian villages were destroyed". I don't even understand your point of contention here, you think it's propaganda because it portrayed the Dirlewanger Brigade in an overly brutal light?

The nazi economy was a war economy from the getgo.

Because they didn’t bother taking Moscow.

>inb4 Napoleon took Moscow but he still lost
Hitler thought the same way except people forget that when Napoleon took Moscow in 1813 it wasn’t the capital of Russia and when the nazis were mere miles from Moscow they didn’t bother taking the capital of the entire Soviet Union. Russia would have been crippled if Moscow was taken. Simple facts.

>The decision to destroy Nazi Germany was made in 1933
How you figure that?

>1941
>France and Poland knocked out
>UK in the ropes and kept at bay
>zis var iz going too vell to my liking
>better invade the Sowjet Union
hubris, probably from a belief that they were destined to win

The Prime Minister of Britain got off a fucking plane in 1938 with a massive smile on his face waving a piece of paper guaranteeing peace with Germany you sperg. Nothing was decided until German tanks rolled across the Polish border, an action they were very clearly warned would result in the declaration of war.

Hitler was a retarded autist who thought military theory from before 1914 still had relevance and the German generals were typical northern European cucks who didn't have the balls to oust their boss even when he was leading them and their families to literal annihilation

Every 7 seconds a German soldier dies in Russia.
Stalingrad is a mass grave.

youtube.com/watch?v=-RN53l6M8h0

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>The Prime Minister of Britain got off a fucking plane in 1938 with a massive smile on his face waving a piece of paper guaranteeing peace with Germany
Wow how insightful

I think that he should have felt entitled to any country that was formerly part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire as a legacy of Germanic rule, obviously with some concessions to the Slavs.

As for Poland, Germany only invaded Poland because it extracted an agreement from the USSR.

What should have happened is a throughout luring of Poland through economic and Eastern land concessions at the expense of the USSR.

Hitler needed a way of disarming the West in order to get economic aide and trade up and running again.

This topic is so fucking boring but just for the record. The actual war was against the bolshevik government. People generally hated them that's why in the first months of Barbarossa there was an unprecedented number of POWs taken and, what's proven and really interesting, often ready to fight against their country. But it all changed when the genocide started and people figured *their* despots are better because at least they speak their language. Basically a couple brainlets like Hitler, Bormann and Koch treated them like garbage and didn't want to agree on what would've given their victory, anti-bolshevik "white" autonomous Russia allied with Germany as was proposed by a couple high ranking collaborators such as Vlasov.

>The nazi economy was a war economy from the getgo.
Not really, they spent extremely heavily on their armed forces but that doesn't make it a war economy. One of the things that hamstrung them was Hitler's refusal to accept switching the country to a war economy until it was far too late in the middle of 1943.

You claim the decision to to destroy Nazi Germany was made in 1933 despite the fact the western Allies pursued a program of appeasement with Nazi Germany to avoid war. The Allies had casus belli to invade and destroy Germany when they remilitarized the Ruhr but didn't can you explain to me why that is?

Not to mention all those prominent foreign sponsors of NSDAP. Civilian and military.

youtube.com/watch?v=Cydzolb0eIs

>muh appeasement
Holy shit, historylets are pathetic

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this, they were completely unprepared for war in 1939, they won quick victories but did not build out their tanks and Uboats enough, by the time they did everyone else caught up

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>no argument
glad we settled that

For me, it's the SdKfz 222

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I think it's propaganda because until the very end virtually every single Soviet citizen is shown murdered, and some are raped. Then at the very end the brave Soviet partisans gallantly defeat the evil SS unit. It's nearly the same overblown plot as the Lone Survivor. They are relentlessly attacked until the very end and then the US military swoops in at the end and crushes the enemy.

Dunkirk also did a take on being on the losing end against Germany in WW2. Hospital ships were shown bombed by German planes, but it's not drawn out into a 30 minute scene showing the ship being targeted from the cockpit and then picking off survivors. It's easy to distinguish between propaganda and a war movie based on how the scenes are designed and where the emphasis lies.

>validate my existence
Lol no

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>no argument
>more seethe
lel

Kawaii desu

The state of their technology was also one of the reasons for their failure. They had good experts but they had too much work, too many projects were ordered then abandoned and Hitler introduced too many conflicting standards for the tiniest elements of tanks or submarines introducing a whole lot of logistical problems that the Soviets didn't have. Their equipment was more reliable and standardized.

Hitler stopping at Poland would've ended two ways:

>The Soviets and Allies rebuild their decrepit armies and launch invasions of Germany, effortlessly batting aside Hitler's disjointed armies full of prototype weapon systems

or

>the allies and Soviets leave Germany alone for some reason and without a steady stream of new victories, occupation wars, and economic bills from his million man armies coming in Hitler is disposed and Germany balkanizes

Nazi Germany had a 30 year life span no matter what scenario played out. It was a retarded government created by the very worst kind of poltard

Hitler was like some drunk fuck determined to start a fight whilst everyone else in the room just wants a quiet drink. Stalin was pleased with the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact because he thought it meant Hitler didn't plan to attack, Chamberlain was pleased with the Munich Agreement because he thought it meant Hitler didn't plan to attack.

In both cases, Hitler attacked despite these treaties, not the other way round.

The destruction of Germany wasn't decided in 1933 but in 1941 when Hitler decided to "kick the door" of the Soviet Union, only for it to fail to collapse as planned.

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Hitler was planning on war since 1933 and it’s proven fact that the German miracle was based on rearmament and the plan of taking resources from other nations by force, hence a war economy. Where’s the proof for what you’re claiming?

Hitler worshippers can't deal with the facts, like the fact that the Nazi modus operandi was making non-aggression pacts and break them whenever convenient. They rose to power like thugs and rules like thugs, with too many blindspots to understand why they were bound to get btfo. Of course the neonazi cope is that Nazis are tragic heroes who never had a chance but were forced to give it their all against all odds. That's all it is, cope for siding with callous losers with a really shitty strategy.

>Russia would have been crippled if Moscow was taken. Simple facts.

Nah bro. What Germany required for maneuver warfare was oil.

If you take Moscow in 1941, you don't actually end the war. Stalin fucks off to the designated second capital near the urals, the name of which escapes me at this moment.

Sure, you cripple the USSR a lot, but it certainly doesn't collapse and most of the economy is by December 1941 being relocated to beyond the urals.

What Germany needed to do was implement Plan Blue in 1941, take the Caucauses. Siege the Crimea. Grab all the oil that they could and THEN push for Stalingrad/Moscow/Leningrad in 1942 systematically.

Germany's strength was never it's equipment. France and Britain had a material superiority in 1940. Germany's strength was tactics and deployment of force.

By 1943 the war was lost.

Why would the Allies join forces with Hitler's own ally if the very reason why UK/USA wanted to deal with the Soviets in the first place was because they had common enemy in Germany (after Germany turned against the USSR that is). They'd have no reason to do it and would be perfectly happy to say goodbye to those troublesome new countries that reemerged after WWI that they never respected or cared about.

Based

>Hitler was a retarded autist who thought military theory from before 1914 still had relevance

Objectively false. If it was up to the German general staff, they would have done a repeat of 1914 in France.

It was Hitler that saw Guendarian's plan for France and implemented it.

German war production was still based on competition between private industries until 1943. It was a dumb decision but they didn't want to go full totalitarian until it was too late.
What is with all these American high school level takes?

All of "Liberation" movies.
Pretty good KINOs.

youtube.com/watch?v=EybVGOYcOew

>the very reason why UK/USA wanted to deal with the Soviets in the first place was because they had common enemy in Germany (after Germany turned against the USSR that is
Did they just not realize the USSR existed before that? Big if true.

Taking Moscow from the getgo would have given them more time to get the caucus oil fields and Crimea. Imagine if Germany didn’t immediately invade Paris and instead went to Brittany, and sweeped down to the south before going back up to encircle Paris...the major goal of conquering a nation is taking its capital first. Hitler flaked because he didn’t want to repeat what Napoleon did but doing exactly what Napoleon did would have meant victory.

>until the very end virtually every single Soviet citizen is shown murdered, and some are raped
The film is partisans in German territory of course it would feature a lot of death and rape. What did you want to see from a film about Belorussian territory under Germany occupation during WW2?

>Then at the very end the brave Soviet partisans gallantly defeat the evil SS unit.
A whole unit? They captured 11 men at the end of the film and a SS-Sturmbannführer hardly a whole unit. The films ending shows the characters as anything but gallant dude. It shows the partisans brutalizing the men they captured and the protagonist becomes a hardened soldier. The films ending is by no means a happy or uplifting one if that's what your implying.

>They are relentlessly attacked until the very end and then the US military swoops in at the end and crushes the enemy.
"crushes the enemy" lmao they get a dozen guys after a whole film of the Germans and their collaborations BTFO the partisans did you even watch it?

>It's easy to distinguish between propaganda and a war movie
Yea dude it's such propaganda the Soviet government blocked its release for years. Now that's what I call effective propaganda

Low resources (i.e oil, and steel)
Decided that a large portion of their possible fighting force was better in camps
Couldn't make the USSR tap out before winter set in They unironically thought that taking Moscow or Stalingrad would make the Russians surrender (lol) even though Stalin would most likely throw every soldier or civilian in the Germans way to buy time.
Make retarded decisions to stop bombing military targets and instead bomb civilian targets during the battle of London.
America declares war on Japan after Pearl Harbor which made Hitler declare war on America

If you're a gopnik just say so off the bat instead of trying to defend your shitty propaganda with all your might.

>the major goal of conquering a nation is taking its capital first.
And you think the same thing that defeated France would've worked in Russia?

All that equipment. On their way to or from the Prague Spring? Also I clicked on a random scene and saw Wlasov I wonder how they misrepresented his character. Too complex for propaganda actually for lovers of both totalitarian regimes. One on hand shows how eager people were to fight the red and on the other shows how Germans fucked up not capitalizing on this incredible chance that would've saved them (before they would get crushed by the Americans anyway). And I'm no fan of his but he's one of those characters that are almost too complex for the reigning Anglo-centric view of the war. Between Germany and USSR everything was too complicated for movies.

Why are people so emotionally invested in WW2? Is this just a product of all the entertainment put out about it? It seems indistinguishable from the obsession with comic book movies.

>no argument
lmao

Russia isn't France. Moscow is certainly an important center for operations, but the way in which to destroy the USSR was to cut it off from their ability for maneuver warfare while enhancing Germany's own.

I think we can agree that if either Moscow or the Caucasus aren't within German hands by December 1941, the war is lost.

>Russia would have been crippled if Moscow was taken.
Moscow was vital for the central railway routes and would have crippled the Soviets if Germany took it but both Stalingrad and Leningrad were much more vital. taking Leningrad would have made it easy to take the Murmansk railroad and blocked basically all of the lend-lease. Taking Stalingrad would have enabled an easy push into the Caucasus securing the oil supply for the Axis. If all 3 cities were taken the Soviet Union would have definetly lost but not one of them got captured and secured.

Yes. If Moscow was captured then the eastern front would have been a guaranteed victory for Germany.

WW2 is the modern world's foundation myth. From a Western perspective, all history prior to this point is largely irrelevant.

What? The only reason they got involved was because Germany threatened their position directly. With no German problem and with USSR and Germany still best friends forever there was nothing for them to do.

>If Moscow was captured then the eastern front would have been a guaranteed victory for Germany.

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Foundation myth.

>Where’s the proof for what you’re claiming?
economics.yale.edu/sites/default/files/files/Workshops-Seminars/Economic-History/scherner-060329.pdf

But this isn't esoteric knowledge, it is well know Germany didn't change to a war economy until 1943, Goebbels even made a famous speech in Berlin to mark it ( youtube.com/watch?v=DRmHOSnehTk ), this is fundamental to any history of the war, you should have covered this in school. Before 1943 the Nazis tried to maintain normality in Germany at all costs because they had promised easy victory in the East, they knew the population still remembered the terrible meatgrinder of WW1 and didn't want to spook their people by declaring the need put all effort into winning.

When they had no choice in 1943, it was already too late and the Wehrmacht was drowning in a sea of T-34s produced by the Soviet Union, which was very much a war economy and had been since 1941.

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Hitler was right about taking the Caucasus but a retard by holding back Rommel and Guderian in Northern France. Both wanted to use their tank divisions to overrun additional Allied division which would have prevented Dunkirk entirely. Moscow would have been a hard blow to the Soviets but without Stalingrad or Leningrad the victory would have been worth little.

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Sorry but capturing Moscow would have meant a victory in literally every scenario. Moscow should have been the major priority but it wasn’t.

Makes sense. Even when you see people talk about things from before WW2 they always relate it to WW2, even with religion. No wonder every Western country is dying of despair. No past or future, just capitalism buying and selling and WW2 memes over and over.

Explain your reasoning.

>The Pianist
>Come and See
>Kelly's Heroes
>The Dirty Dozen

Plus he split the German forces to try and placate the generals who wanted to thrust north towards Moscow. Rather than just flatly overrule them, he tried to do both.

All that did was mean neither force had the resources to accomplish its objectives.

Only if he allowed for a collaborative government instead of attempts at colonization which were doomed to fail. It sucks because Germany and USSR were just as bad but USSR had fewer enemies so if it was taken out of the game the world would've been a better place. But that's dumb alt history shit nevermind that.

Leningrad was encircled and starved to death on purpose. In any case Moscow was the Achilles heel of Russia if it was taken. The oil fields would have been taken easily after that because of the shock of losing Moscow. Japan might have entered because of that as well to secure Siberia. Again, moscow was the key to it all. Hitler was paranoid about making the same moves as Napoleon when making the same moves as Napoleon was the RIGHT MOVE!

I already did. Take the capital first, go for the throat first. Imagine if they didn’t go for Paris after Rommel broke the French lines?

>Japan might have entered because of that as well to secure Siberia
Why would Japan enter into a war with Russia in an attempt to hundreds of miles of Siberian wasteland when already deeply bogged down in China?

Good taste.

Personally, I'm into this

youtu.be/7LT-g-3wN3o

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Russian production was already moved beyond the Urals by the end of 1941. Taking Moscow would have extended the war, but it wouldn't have won it.

Germany needed resources in order to conduct the method of warfare that it excelled at. Barbarossa failed because the objectives were ill defined.

Germany needed oil. From then on it could take out the population centers of Stalingrad, Moscow and Leningrad in force.

>what is Sevastopol

They hated all communists, and had a historic rivalry against Russia from the Russo-Japanese war

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You are applying the same logic of defeating a country like France to a country like Russia when they are entirely different beasts. Russia has hundreds of miles of territory it can retreat to France did not. Germany could capture territory several times the size of France and still not defeat Russia.

>objectives were ill-defined
Exactly which is why I believe Moscow should have been the major priority. Hitler also had ill-defined objectives in France.

Stalin stayed in Moscow and was sure he's done for too btw. But sadly his opponent was considerably dumber and we had to wait a couple more years before he drowned in his piss.

A city in the Crimea what is your point?

None. Its all lies.

Spalovac Mrtvol, though it's more of a Holocaust movie. No battle scenes.

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>Japan might have entered because of that as well to secure Siberia.
At this time Japan was fighting in China and basically the entired Pacific. Both regions were already logistical nightmares and only Eastern Siberia could have topped it. No one disagrees that Moscow was important but the Soviet Union was prepared for Germany taking it. They weren't prepared for Germany capturing the Caucasus.

A Bridge Too Far

Because they started the war in the first place

You mean Vladivostok?

Most of Russia’s population and farmland is within 500 miles of Belarus and Ukraine. Capturing Moscow first was the only way. And victory would have been easy since most of the population and farmland would been under nazi control therefore paralyzingly the Soviet armies in the urals.

Japan could have gotten this

Band of Brothers or The Pacific?

Shit, dull movie about the Brits fucking up a simple airborne drop but trying to paint their catastrophic defeat as a victory.

Thank you. We need more movies like this or Patton or The Longest Day. Huge ones, about the entire operations with all possible points of view from privates to generals and all the nations. No one seems to make these movies anymore of course I shouldn't expect Nolan not to go all pseudo-artistic in Dunkirk.

>objectives were ill defined
no im pretty sure they were clearly defined, they were called Leningrad, Moscow and Stalingard and each was assigned its own army group

Both good for different reasons.

BoB has the better story and characters
The Pacific has the better action

Don't forget Monty and Browning ruining a man's life and forcing him to do menial jobs well after retirement age because he warned them about their plan and they were so butthurt they blamed him for everything.

>Capturing Moscow first was the only way.
Ok let's say you capture Moscow after intense house to house fighting making Stalingrad look like child's play and sustaining heavy loses. Now you are occupying a city with stretched lines and heavy partisan activity what now? The Soviet Union doesn't just wave the white flag and give up after this. What do you do moving forward?

>therefore paralyzingly the Soviet armies in the urals.
The Soviet Union moved its armament factories to the Urals and had lend lease support coming in they absolutely could have continued the war effort after the capture of Moscow.

I felt like after Pacific there still were a lot of possible stories to tell while BoB was more exhaustive. The only thing they cut was Guarniere being the squad leader and riding on his bike from hq to the frontline. They only showed him wounded with no explanation.

Vladivostok is not worth it opening a new theater with terrible logistics when you already have 3 of them. Keep in midn Japan's forces were not properly motorized.

>they were called Leningrad, Moscow and Stalingard and each was assigned its own army group

Each army group was incapable of reaching and capturing said objectives with the resources they were given.

Comes back to the defeat in detail. An inferior force can defeat a numerically superior force if it can achieve on a local level force superiority. It's how Napoleon achieved much of his victories.

Germany had a very thin timeframe in which to achieve victory in the east during 1940 to 1942. By 1943, if everything isn't mopped up or unless they have an extremely advantageous defensive line, they are fucked.

This.

Jewish propaganda, but less so than Saving Private Ryan.

>muh inferior force
literally everyone including the allies underestimated the soviets, had no idea about the extent of their industrialisation, stalins purges crippled their military, and the winter war indicated the ones left were incompetent, thus everyone expected them to collapse quickly
listen to uncle adolf tell you that himself
youtube.com/watch?v=E8raDPASvq0

He didn't mean Russia by inferior force.

I was talking about a numerically inferior force, not racially.

And I was referring to the Germans.

>grandpa's war stories are jewish propaganda

Almost 150 posts without a retarded wheraboo take.

>ctrl F
>0 mentions of Der Hauptmann

New WW2 kino, basically apocalypse Now but in end war Germany.

Based on a real guy too.

...

>implying Stephen Ambrose doesn't fit his "history" within the confines of the American perspective of the war
>implying Speilberg's influence during the production of the series would have resulted in anything else

Everything is there. The holocaust, disdain for the British, standard hatred for dem evil nazis, Jewish main character that makes a big deal about being a Jew to his fellow soldiers.

It is perfect propaganda. Without even saying it's a negative or a positive, it's perfect propaganda because it makes you emphasize with the US soldiers that you're tracking.

Because they acted as aggressors instead of liberators, literally saying fuck you to a good portion of the world and then siding with the most incompetent and under equipped countries for allies.

If they wouldn't have made themselves so hated then perhaps the world wouldn't have cast them in such a bad light.

I wonder what the world would be like today if the second World War never took place. If only that madman had some patience in his life.

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Everything is in the books and most importnatly in the memories of the veterans aside from Liebgott being Jewish that was something they got wrong just like Blithe's fate. Sobel was a Jew for real but Libegott's character was probably a composite with some other soldier with no POV. The rest is the way it was and shouldn't shock anyone who knows a thing or two about Americans in the European theater.

This. I'm almost afraid to say so because it seems too obvious but I can't think of anything even close to beating it

Truly, I was less impressed with "The Pacific" that came afterwards but nonetheless both were very well done.

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Who is your favorite WW2 absolute madman?

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For me, it's all the vehicles. All of 'em from every side.
God damn that war was so fuckin kino

Probably because they didn't have enough resources to take on industrial powers such as Russia or the United States, especially not both of them at the same time followed by the dozen or so states they pissed off in the process due to their ideological beliefs. Even if Hitler beat the USSR and avoided a war against America by telling Japan to fuck off, the Nazis would have still inevitably collapsed simply due to the inevitable uprisings they would face not helped by the fact their economy was sustainable in peace time conditions.

Take a good look at Mao's china. That's what happens when you've got a revolutionary ideology that succeeds in 'reshaping' society.

Nazi Germany left to its devices would simply kill millions of people for no good reason (under the mantra of ethnic cleansing, exactly analogous to the class warfare and removal of the landed peasants under mao/lenin. Eventually hitler dies, like mao, and there are about 30-50 years of succession issues within the party, where hardliners and reformers vie for the machinery of the state. Hardliners eventually lose due to the regrowth of civil society in the absence of a proper megalomaniac to concentrate the efforts of the various political actors. You wind up in 'nazi 1970' with some sort of weird nazi version of Deng Xaioping, who would likely restore autonomy to some of the formed richskommasariats and liberalize the economy.

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bridge on the river kwai

Because hitler decided to declare war on russia, russia had more than twice the manpower, tanks, military gear and the americans who were producing all this gear were sending supplies to all of germanys enemies

watch a documentary about ww2 you dumb fuck

I agree
youtu.be/QsodIneQGzI

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A Bridge Too Far.
Anyone that disagrees is a Rodger Ebert cocksucker

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Garbage tier take

I prefer 2017 version.

one of the most kino ww2 of the 60s

youtube.com/watch?v=33O0jA8fMFw

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Stalingrad (1993)
youtube.com/watch?v=Yfk178n80CU

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Germany needed a war to prop up the economy, retard. Unfortunately for them, racial theories and lofty small arms don’t help when your transmissions fail and you sperg out at every surrounding state.

*breaks down*

This, their entire economy was based on preparing for war, conquering another country (literally the first thing they did when they invaded a country was steal their gold reserves), paying their debts, and repeating the process.

This whole thread just tells me that the war is still alive in our culture. I’m in awe of the fact that we’re all here discussing strategy and oil and generals like anything could change.its fun tho

war was inevitable, germany wanted to rebuild her empire, the british knew they would lose a war in asia and needed to defeat germany first, the french had no manpower left, the soviet union was expanding and annexing eastern european countries which threatened western europe, the japanese modernized too late to take colonies

germany wasn't as great as they seemed in the 1930s and 40s as far as military production goes
in 1939 they produced 247 tanks while the British made 969
by 1941 british military aircraft production was almost double that of Germany, only in 1944 did the Germanys overtake them in this
To put things into perspective, between 1939 and 1945 Germany manufactured 46,857 AFV, 159,144 artillery, 189,307 aircraft while russia producted 105,251 AFV, 516,648 artillery, and 157,261 aircraft

also the resources for the empire were split up many times by different agencies, and the germans diversified their military too much, the russians had like 3 kinds of tanks and artillery while the germans had 20 with diff ammo for each

you have to be over 18 to post here

You can thank Josef Beck for that useless grantee.

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good taste

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France and Britain had declared war on them you moron

HOLY SHIT!!!
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chill out virgin

nice job, janny
THERE IS LITERALLY CHILD PORN IN THIS THREAD

>Not turning slightly to the left to take Moscow.

timber and grain

Reported

Can we stop armchair generaling and go back to movie recommendations?

Literally high school kids on here, what do you expect

That's not seething retard, you said some really dumb babby's first ww2 lesson type shit and he told you you're an uneducated idiot, it's not his job to do your homework for you ya prissy little faggot

>the western Allies pursued a program of appeasement with Nazi Germany to avoid war
Holy shit the delusion. Did you just get out of highschool?
>The Allies had casus belli to invade and destroy Germany when they remilitarized the Ruhr but didn't can you explain to me why that is?
It might have something to do with the reason they remilitarized the Ruhr. Can you guess what that was?

good thread is good

jesus christ he killed like 50 krauts in a minute, what a maniac

>you said some really dumb babby's first ww2 lesson type shit
How? What's inaccurate about it?
>it's not his job to do your homework for you ya prissy little faggot
>uhhhhh educate yourself sweetie
you argue like a woman

Too generous at Dunkirk.

>Holy shit the delusion
What's delusional about it?
>It might have something to do with the reason they remilitarized the Ruhr.
Hitler's excuse was the Franco-Soviet pact which was contrary to the terms of Locarno but breaking treaties wasn't exactly anything major for the Nazis.

>tfw

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This Stalingrad is supreme kino

>projecting your cringe culture war shit onto history
why do zoomers do this?

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Stalingrad
Come and see
Band of brothers/the pacific
A bridge too far

Letters from Iwo Jima is interesting because there arent a lot of movies from the japs perspective.

Jewish crap

post height and jaw

Name one good movie that didnt have a single jew work on it.

For me?
It's the M18

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The jews were funding literally every faction of the war.

>The jews were funding literally every faction
which ones specifically? can you name any names

>Why did the Germans lose the war?
jews only financed hitler so they could establish the state of israel. they were suppose to lose.

based Hellcat poster
youtu.be/nmFgejWZjtg

>going to see a live tank show today
>old and new tanks drving
>will appear in an online yt stream
>cards are kinda hard to get
feels good man
Panzermuseum Munster btw

capitalism had nothing to do with the war

based jews playing 5d jenga

Based and tastepilled.
Thunderbolt! is also pretty good as it shows USAAF comitting war crimes.

Great escape is shit. If they'd gotten rid of the septics and been accurate it could have been good.
Cringe

Lies based on a fraud's book. For low-IQ shitmunchers.
Cringe and wrong war.

>For low-IQ shitmunchers
unlike yourself right?

why are nu-Yea Forums NEETSoc zoomers so sensitive?

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>LE HOT TRENDING THREAD WITH CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC, LE FEELS WOJACK AND REDDIT MASS REPLIES

>The nazi economy was a war economy from the getgo
No it wasn't
Main goal was achieving natural resources, primarily oil.

>Best WW2 kino?

Patton.

youtu.be/YrtS2_TfbeY

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What general's dick did he suck to get this ridiculous story put through?

(you)

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Rekt
Retard

More american assination and myth.

BoB is shit and based on lies. The pacfic is very good.

>Everything is in the books
Which are lies written by a known liar?

Downfall.
Sobibor (the surprisingly good Russian version from 2018)
Tora! Tora! Tora!

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>for no good reason
>(under the mantra of ethnic cleansing
Pick one and only one.

>Pick one and only one.
>He thinks "ethnic cleansing" of your own people within your nationstate is a good reason.
I'm betting you'd fine with killing all of the 1% for them being "greedy" and "capitalist", right Comrade?

Is there any love for tanks/armored vehicles not by the US, Russia, or Germany?

Triumph of the Will?

Correct. You clearly have no knowledge of the source material, or the anger BoB provoked amongst veterans.

>I'm betting you'd fine with killing all of the 1%
Most of them, not all
>for them being "greedy" and "capitalist"
Hahaha not at all
>right Comrade?
I'm not a mentally ill tranny

I think the original is from 1955, not from 80's.

what were britain and america fighting for then?

To destroy group-thinking, warmongering troglodytes.

Hitler speech montages with Hans Zimmers Time playing over them.

but theyre the biggest warmongerers of our current year

for their profits, so yes capitalism

the third reich wouldn't have leadership issues until himmler's death, who would undoubtedly be hitler's successor, unless the wehrmacht assassinated him to take control but I seriously doubt they could pull that off considering himmler's vast spy network.
>some weird nazi version of deng xiaoping
>implying that wouldn't be the greatest thing in existence second only to hitler

>Nazis and Soviets invade and slaughter entire countries.
>"B-b-but Britain and America are the real bad warmongers!"
Pathetic.

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Enjoy your faggot timeline

All those industrial interests (Farbin, Porsche, Simmens) pick their belly full with just how much they'd gain from the war, and co opt the instruments of the state as well.

After all that mess and the massacre of tens of millions of people, you wind up with...something rather disturbingly close to a hybrid regime with a synthesis of free market and state control. Inefficient, ghastly, and a final and fitting testament to the hollow promises that national socialism proffered in the first place.

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why do zoomers like you think your life would be better under a German military dictatorship?

Winston Churchill: "We will force this war upon Hitler, if he wants it or not." - Winston Churchill (1936 broadcast)

"Germany becomes to powerful. We have to crush it." - Winston Churchill (November 1936 to US-General Robert E. Wood)

"Germanys unforgivable crime before WW2 was its attempt to loosen its economy out of the world trade system and to build up an own exchange system from which the world-finance couldnt profit anymore. ...We butchered the wrong pig." - Winston Churchill, The Second World War (Book by Winston Churchill, Bern, 1960) [Amazon]

"The war wasnt only about abolishing fascism, but to conquer sales markets. We could have, if we had intended so, prevented this war from breaking out without doing one shot, but we didn't want to." - Winston Churchill to Truman (Fultun, USA March 1946)

Thycudides' trap, user. Old European powers wanting to curbstomp a rising Germany was a theme in both World Wars.

>Winston Churchill: "We will force this war upon Hitler, if he wants it or not." - Winston Churchill (1936 broadcast)
>"Germany becomes to powerful. We have to crush it." - Winston Churchill (November 1936 to US-General Robert E. Wood)
source? I searched online and can't find a single source for either of those quotes

>"Germanys unforgivable crime before WW2 was its attempt to loosen its economy out of the world trade system and to build up an own exchange system from which the world-finance couldnt profit anymore. ...We butchered the wrong pig."
This quote appears to have been invented in 2001 and inserted into the foreword to a new edition of a book first written in 1938, Propaganda in the Next War. Since the book is out of copyright and the original author is dead, the new foreword could've been written by anyone with an account on a self-publishing site. The quote doesn't appear anywhere before 2001.

>"The war wasnt only about abolishing fascism, but to conquer sales markets. We could have, if we had intended so, prevented this war from breaking out without doing one shot, but we didn't want to."
There's zero evidence that this was ever said by Churchill, Truman, or anyone else involved in WWII. If one is to presume that the premise of the quote is accurate (that is to say, the war was fought by the allies to "conquer sales markets," why would they admit that after years of propaganda stating that the war was a war for freedom?

I'm over 30 faggot. Why wouldn't it be better than this shitty world of degeneracy?

based fact checker user

>Why wouldn't it be better
why would a military dictatorship where you have zero rights, worse standards of living, and a ruler worshipped as a near deity be worse? lmao we have our problems dude sure but you're delusional if you think living under a totalitarian regime would make your life better.

>falling for the NEETSoc meme as a grown man
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

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Das Boot
Saints and soldiers 3
Letters from Iwo Jima
Schindler's list
Valkyrie
Maybe pianist and generation war, haven't seen them yet.

as opposed to living in a country where speaking your mind can get you fired and homeless? Nazi Germany had great standards of living. You're a cock sucking faggot.

blocks your path

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>I love Israel and having "freedom"

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A la guerre com a la guerre
youtube.com/watch?v=uWV81F9Y-kQ
The Lark
youtube.com/watch?v=wt_BkG6TZiE
Only old men are going to battle
youtube.com/watch?v=f7yNEcr7Bvg
Dive bomber chronicles
youtube.com/watch?v=JhFLb4ViCh8
Dawns are quiet here
youtube.com/watch?v=k2jYcjHtwWU

>tfw there will never be a war as kino as WWII

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>as opposed to living in a country where speaking your mind can get you fired and homeless?
The social backlash of saying what you want in modern society is nowhere near the backlash those who spoke out against the Nazi regime faced in The Third Reich. Many were thrown in camps for political prisoners or outright killed like Sophie Scholl

>Nazi Germany had great standards of living.
Why do you speak about things you know nothing about?
>Although millions more had jobs, the share of all German workers in the national income fell from 56.9 per cent in the depression year of 1932 to 53.6 per cent in the boom year of 1938. At the same time income from capital and business rose from 17.4 per cent of the national income to 26.6 per cent. It is true that because of much greater employment the total income from wages and salaries grew from twenty-five billion marks to forty-two billions, an increase of 66 per cent. But income from capital and business rose much more steeply –by 146 per cent. All the propagandists in the Third Reich from Hitler on down were accustomed to rant in their public speeches against the bourgeois and the capitalist and proclaim their solidarity with the worker. But a sober study of the official statistics, which perhaps few Germans bothered to make, revealed that the much maligned capitalists, not the workers, benefited most from Nazi policies.
1/2

>Finally, the take-home pay of the German worker shrank. Besides stiff in-come taxes, compulsory contributions to sickness, unemployment and disability insurance, and Labor Front dues, the manual worker – like everyone else in NaziGermany – was constantly pressured to make increasingly large gifts to an assortment of Nazi charities, the chief of which was Winterhilfe (Winter Relief).Many a workman lost his job because he failed to contribute to Winterhilfe orbecause his contribution was deemed too small. Such failure was termed by one labor court, which upheld the dismissal of an employee without notice, ”conduct hostile to the community of the people . . . to be most strongly condemned.”In the mid-Thirties it was estimated that taxes and contributions took from 15to 35 per cent of a worker’s gross wage. Such a cut out of $6.95 a week did not leave a great deal for rent and food and clothing and recreation.
Great living standards right? lmao

>You're a cock sucking faggot.
and you're an easily triggered pencil neck geek. Uncle Adolf won't fix your shitty life

Transit
youtube.com/watch?v=WgTyqbfEi4I
Saboteur, both seasons are good
youtube.com/watch?v=-JS1oysibcw
Soldier's father
youtube.com/watch?v=GAy6SOaq5io
Soldier and elephant
youtube.com/watch?v=bjdwZH2CCrI

>You think my NEETSoc larping is cringe and retarded?
>THAT'S JUST CUZ YOU LOVE ISRAEL
the absolute sorry state of you mate. go take a walk

I forgot to mention: downfall

>where you have zero right
They had quite a few. You could do things there that would get you arrested in Scotland.

>Schindler's list
Great comedy

You just had to pick the absolute shittiest movie, didn't you.

we know polcels get triggered by it, no need to mention it again

>They had quite a few.
such as?

>Fails after 9 shots

WWI Kino>WWII Kino

Gun and abortion rights were increased massively, more right to free speech than scotland, marriage supported.

Triggered? It constantly has webms posted because they're kino. My favourite is ralph fiennes sniping scene. What's yours?

Ballad of a soldier
youtube.com/watch?v=elRyH018uvw
Absolute polish kino series, 4 tankmen and a dog
youtube.com/watch?v=md-muuNY0GY

it was a war of nations like WW1. it is only in modern times that we see it as a war of ideologies. for the russians it's called the patriotic war, not the war for communism. same in the US and same in Germany (revenge for WW1)

Men like me have to be the Fuhrer to keep the weak and simple in line.

Isla: She Wolf of the Waffen SS is pretty kino.

Alive and dead
youtube.com/watch?v=Cidkwsd3Fb0

That SS officer who got cut off behind enemy lines with just six men when their boat sank after crossing a river, only to lead them to the capital city of Yugoslavia by themselves, essentially just by bluffing. You would not want to play poker with that man.

>Patton
>Letters from Iwo Jima
>The Big Red One
Last one is underrated

>the third reich wouldn't have leadership issues until himmler's death
Arguably Himmler as the leader would very much be an issue in of itself.

America have invaded countless countries in the past half century. What the fuck is wrong with you?

HOI4 Italy guide

If you're a white man and aren't Fascist in 2019, I don't know what the fuck is wrong with you.

Him
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Beyrle
Also him
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Léo_Major

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Nice source, retard.

Because you can never win offensive war against Russia. Some empires "could" back then while Russia was weak and divided and they were rekt later anyway. In a modern times, you can't win against russians. They will protect their Motherland against all odds. I mean, you will basically fighting for the elites, while they will fight for their families. And unlike countires like France and Poland, they'll protect them to the last breath.

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my favorite is when the guy gets the rope

>seething kike
Kek, I love how angry your kind get over a bit of banter. Maybe don't try to forment boslhevik uprisings?

>forment

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This, but unironically

Saving Private Ryan until the miraculous exploding tank somewhat spoils it

das boot
bridge on the river kwai
tora tora tora
battle of britain

Memphis Belle

Because they tried to take on everyone at once.
Should have just raeped their way and stopped at the USSR, the west was more than prepared to tolerate fascism to counter communism.

>still a kike

City of life and death is pretty interesting, it's a little on the nose some time but it has some good shots and the rape of nanking tends to go unmentioned in the west.

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The real redpill is every WW2 film is kino.

>88
They were too honorable to the Anglos; they believed they were fighting a brother and not simply a golem

Look at this little cuck truck

>this is fundamental to any history of the war, you should have covered this in school

You're probably talking to an American, they're education system is jewish dominated.

based

Is that how they took France? By reusing trench warfare strategies from WW1?

It's the foundation myth of modernity
If you know society is collapsing right now as the dystopia goes into full swing, then you probably realize that the good guys lost

Woman In Gold
Schlinder's List
The Monuments Men

yes all superb

dont know but im sick of it, from an entertainment standpoint its played out and boring and from a historical standpoint its almost a century old, move on already

Because Hitler decided that randomly invading Russia would be a good idea for some dumbass reason
>who are Japan?
>who are Italy?
>who are the several other countries that were on the axis' side?
Your stupid is showing

Japan was in a completely different theatre and Italy is the most useless ally you could possibly hope for.

There weren't any other ultranationalist/fascist states around at the time so Germany didn't have much choice. That said, the Japanese were much more hardline with limited resources. They would fight to the last man, while German conscripts would mass surrender as soon as they were given the opportunity.

The German state was designed to ensure that exactly this didn't happen as it had in Weimar Germany, unlike in the "free" West where the miilitary industrial complex and international finance went to run the politics of the state for the rest of their existence.

Nice tank

Saving Private Ryan
Inglourious Basterds
The Longest Day

Likely just using snopes or some Holocaust museum search engine
Real fact checking is an arduous task that involves sifting through countless streams of biased takes and redactions by different parties

Assuming only one group is pushing an agenda is how you wind up with a state that puts you in jail for calling a tranny his gender.

>inb4 WW2 is exaggerated by Jewish control of media because of the Holohoax lmfao
For the record, I believe the Holocaust is exaggerated and WW2 saturation of media is suffocating. Proceed faggots.

You can be fired and depersoned from society for calling trannies mentally ill and saying you don't want your children to fuck niggers. You can get blacklisted from high tech companies for sharing scientific evidence that men and women are biologically and thus psychologically different.

You're just a slave

>massive expansionist empire at your border is industrializing and militarizing fast
>yeah let's just ignore it

>cringe
>cringe because you probably missed the irony
>based

I rushed it sure, because it's late and I'm drunk, but I'm sober enough to critique your top 3 (that come to mind, I didn't make the effort to list top 3 ever, so I don't expect you to)

>Dude, why are our military allies building an army? They're right on our doorstep!
>Holy shit, you're right. A war with them would be devastating since we're also fighting all those other countries. Let's invade this enormous arctic tundra with countless canon fodder so we don't have to worry about fighting them
>Genius

It wasn't the eastern front that led to the downfall.

Germany was in a very bad strategic location, being close to communist borders. Nobody in (western?) Europe wanted communism, while Stalin wanted communism for whole of Europe.

Because England was afraid of Nazism and felt threatened, they basically supported communism to reign in the eastern countries.

The western European countries should've supported Hitler in his war against communism and should've negotiated way and way more before declaring war on him. Hitler didn't want a war with France or England. There was going to be war between Hitler and Stalin, and the small countries in between were going to be caught in the crossfire, which made "noble" England and France declare war. Those countries had bad luck to be placed between 2 giants and as bravely as they tried to defend they would be invaded in any WW II scenario.

I think England was very afraid of a victorious Germany though. If Germany defeated the Soviets (which they would've if England & France didn't declare war) then Hitler would have his dream of a Third Reich and Germany would be too powerful to stop them expanding to the west if Hitler wanted to. This is probably why they declared war on him and left the eastern countries to die to communism. They basically chose between a great German empire or a great Soviet empire, and the latter gave us the Cold War. There is no way to know how a great German empire would behave.

Nobody was the good guy in the war, but also because there were no possible good outcomes. Nazism and Communism were both unwanted regimes, and it is very sad that Hitler had these crazy stupid ideas. If he didn't have his racist/antisemitic views then maybe England and France would be less afraid of Nazism and the Cold War could've been avoided and WW II would've been very different.

>The western European countries should've supported Hitler in his war against communism and should've negotiated way and way more before declaring war on him.

To elaborate on this, Hitler should've been milder and negotiate more with England and France and ask for their support in the communist threat. Also (which is of course hindsight but in a perfect scenario) if he let Stalin take the eastern countries between Germany and Soviet union Hitler could recapture them under the guise of liberation. This would not result in England and France declaring war and giving Hitler more assets to focus on the eastern front.

Still a drowning man will clutch at a straw, England would not like a victorious German empire, which makes England a very unpredictable factor in different WW II scenarios.

Taking the enemy nation's capital and using that as leverage for your peace negotiations was a classical tactic which was starting to get out of date even by the time of Napoleon himself.

Cross of Iron
Theirs is the Glory
Battle of Britain

It also only really works if the nation is too soi to risk defending their capital in case it gets damaged. Fuck the french.

>Jannies snipe every Finn roast thread
wtf are the jannies jewish?

>allies
This is your brain on Cold War propaganda. War was inevitable between the two; the idea was to have it fought in their land, on German terms, in the way they had learned to fight best. It was either that or wait for the soviets to gobble up more and more lesser nations as their industrial base explodes and they fully mobilize to destroy Western Europe.

You should thank the Germans for stopping them at the Iron Curtain.

Damn, this list seems based af. I'll check them out. Who are your top 2 directors? I'm working my way through a bunch but so far I'd say Kubrick and Bergman.

Am economically dominate German empire was a massive threat to British imperial interests and their international financial dominance. This is why they could never tolerate a major continental power and fought two bloody wars to ensure it.

they didn't deserve to, good always wins which means they were evil so they lost. It's simple lol. Imagine if they won, lol - we probably wouldn't even have internet. How would we shitpost ? What would we do all fucking day ? Work ? Come on bro...the entire life span would feel kind of pointless and death would be welcomed. Besides, the people would probably not put up with that shit for long and revolutions would break out all over. We are living the good life right now, despite some shitty stuff that exist in it

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This level of cope

Cope what ? I got nothing to cope with...i don't wanna live in naziland, i've seen how it looks in the last Wolfenstein and it's pretty lame

Kek

Based