The Joker gonna be kin-

watching a film is intrinsically a personal, subjective experience. I don't watch movies to feel miserable and bored

This. "Edgy" & "Grimdark" are two of the most useless criticisms.

You seem like the kind of faggot who insists on forced happy endings to everything.

>78 for CM
>fucking 96 for BP
/yourgirl/

I'm sorry but how is a story being dark and bleak a bad thing? Is this what movie criticism has come to? No more tragedies, only comedies?
Wait a tick...

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OHHH NONONONONONON

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>g8zy78t1a1k31.png
>google images, page 1
OHHH NONONONONONON
UNCUT GEMS= Yea Forums
JOKER = REDDIT

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>See it on the biggest screen possible.
Is this true, bros?

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A friend of mine was heavy into Kevin Smith type shit; got him to watch "The Road" & he bitched at me here & there for weeks because of how bleak & depressing he found it.
Never watched anything he liked again.

Blame it on this current selfish individualist culture and anti-depressants. Depression is normal but normies refuse to accept it.

is the predator as good as this seems to suggest?

The Road is so good
Literally no hope for anyone ever again

no
"see it on the biggest screen" is just a marketing meme by studios

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Incorrect. Movies aren't just entertainment you dumbfuck american

Completely loses its shit from like a 3rd in & gets worse from there.
Only redeeming quality I found in it was Shane Black made a black guy a main antagonist & a total cunt, and gave the character zero fucking justifications of sob-wrenching backstory to justify it.

Wtf, the movie is named Joker but he doesn't say quips????

arrival actually was kino but i only ever see women praising it. vonnegut fags should love it since its just SH5 the movie.

>reading women opinions
Lmao!

I know right?

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The definition of "Art" is something that elicits an emotional response from you.

Joker is a clown, user.
It's suppose to be fun, making kids laugh and doing pranks :)
honk honk

>B- But you just consume art to feel good, right? Not to find out something about yourself, talk about it and maybe lear a few lessons, right?

Nope, Joker is Trump now

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>Honey, don't worry. Not about any of it. I still love you, y'know? Job or no job, you're good in the sack...
wat

It means he goes down on her

He's the President? Powerful...

fuck off doobs

Racist and sexist much?

Have you watched All About Lily Chou-Chou yet?

She must love Bela Tárr's movies

People like things that make them feel good, and dislike things that don't. Congratulations you just learned the very first thing about psychology.

No you stupid faggot she's eating it low because it's "le incel" film and she feels compelled to shut it down for clout.

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Why do womyn and effeminate faggots love Marvel so much?

>she rated fucking Black Panther at 96%
Accurate.

this definition is why modern art sucks

Boohoo, how could they make the joker so cruel and insane.

This. It's why Shakespeare's tragedies are completely forgotten, you can't even name one.

Romeo and Juliet

I'm not even excited for the joker but this is reads as "I don't like the tone of the movie therefore is bad", but then again I'm just reading a snippet that some fag posted on Yea Forums for (you)s

Uhh, what?

>Romeo and Juliet is a tragedy written by William Shakespeare early in his career about two young star-crossed lovers whose deaths ultimately reconcile their feuding families. It was among Shakespeare's most popular plays during his lifetime and along with Hamlet, is one of his most frequently performed plays.

So you can google some obscure shit, who the fuck cares? How does this even COMPARE to successful comedies Shakespeare wrote? It fucking doesn't. People don't like things that make them sad or unhappy, if you had ANY common sense or real world life experience you would know this.

>Google
everyone knows that fucking shakespeare shit you fucking zoomer

What's the point of making a movie about an incel going on a killing spree when we see the real thing on the news everyday?

Uhh, if it's a tragedy nobody likes it so why would they know about it retard??

Another movie to fuel Americans public shootings

You must be 18 to post here.

looks like kino desu

Right back at you kid, you might be an edgy little shit but real people in the real world like happy stuff like American Pie.

how dumb is this bitch, film being miserable and dark is not a fucking legimate criticism. Its same like saying "This film was scary, i dont like scary film, 2/5"

flop

or maybe the movie is garbage you mong.

It's the way women tend to rate things, I've noticed

You're boring.

>no relief in sight
WELCOME TO MY WORLD, HONEY

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HAPPY THOUGHTS ONLY HAPPY THOUGHTS BRIGHT COLORS, CARTOONS, WEED AND FRUIT LOOPS HAPPY, HAPPY, HAPPY, NO BAD THOUGHTS NOO NO BAD

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Brave New World.

>everyday
We're not blacks.

Okay, let's settle this for once:
NAME 1 GOOD DEPRESSING MOVIE

It's been said; the Road.
Also Salo.

The Road

Grow up, edgelord.

Click
What Women Want
The Fellowship of the Ring (dont you fuckin lie, you teared up and felt like shit after gandfalf died)

Blue Valentine

>begins in a pretty dark place and it only gets more and more miserable as it goes on with no relief in sight

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Casino

>incels getting so desperate that they post the only bad (and shitty) review they could get their hands on
pathetic

>Racist
nigga what?

>anyone who enjoys dark & depressing media is an edgelord
Only if it's insincere & they can't stop talking about it to people who aren't into it, incel.

Minorities watch a film that represents them

Yea Forums says -- "why do they need representation kek there's more to a movie than muh representation. Black Panther is cringe."

Joker and Nightcrawler and Taxi Driver exist

Yea Forums says -- "wow that's literally me. I'm glad to see someone I can relate to. Based."

>miserable and bored
Boring isn't a criticism, it's just a comment on your own state of mind while you were watching the movie. There's nothing to extrapolate on or refute.
You thought it was boring, the only refutation is that I didn't find it boring. There's no substance on which to base an argument.

shes a really lazy critic

There Will Be Blood

Swiss Army Man

>incels
Everyone on this site is a fucking incel to everyone who never comes to them you smegma slurping faggot.

into the wild, hell or high water, wind river, etc etc

Der Untergang

>I'm glad to see someone I can relate to. Based.

yeah the average user isnt whining and demanding racial quotas like entitled faggots

See here, edgelord

>why do they need representation kek
Never the argument I've made.
Black Panther was fine because that's ALWAYS been a black character. It was created as a black character.
I can't stand rearranging existing characters because new characters made specifically for "them" don't make bank.

But does the Joker at least tell good jokes?

If people didn't like movies or music, or anything with depressing themes it would not be popular. Acknowledging it's an emotion like being happy doesn't make you an edgelord you just sound like an autistic clown trying to grasp human feelings and demanding we all just be happy cause "that's good."

See here, incel

Then why do you care if there is "representation"?

But why won't you just SMILE

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Oldboy

Batman v Superman

All Yea Forums does is bitch about not seeing black women and white men together and only seeing black men and white women together. They bitch about Capt Marvel, Anyone who isn't right wing, The Last Jedi, they bitch about other people bitching lol

We share this board with retards of this size

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>missing the point
I don't. Having every ensemble cast be a Benneton ad is clearly a cashgrab but doesn't bother me.
It only bothers me when they're rearranged. Give me a fucking Malcolm X movie starring Brad Pitt then.

Last Jedi was fucking hot garbage though.
The way they treated both Luke AND Mark is damn near criminal.

If you're a critic you're supposed to look at the art objectively. Also feeling "bad" isn't necessarily wrong, if a film aimed to do that and succeeded it's not a bad thing. Feeling bad or miserable shouldn't equal a rotten review.

Whatever. I'm gonna tell the critic OP posted about this thread and maybe we will see what happens. Enjoy your edgy superhero film, snowflake

If this is true, can Yea Forums stop shilling Armond White because he always does what you describe

That's not how art is defined. You're stupid. Really stupid. Art is to be observed. That's why there's an objectivity to aspects of art. You can view the earliest cave paintings and find artistic aspects that are undeniable, like beautiful line work one can only achieve through either talent or enormous amounts of practice. Art isn't emotion based, that's a brainlet concept. You can feel emotion, that's fine, but don't make the mistake of thinking that it's all feeling and subjectivity.

youtu.be/xmnrdd3LrRY

>Whatever
Excellent counterargument, not at all a blatant admission of defeat.
Keep on acting like we're all the same fucking poster though.

Hi, Armond White

we dislike the whole liberal bullshit,
using blacks and lgbt characters for liberal points.

our "bitching" is reactionary.
we never made petitions and shit for more representation. never.

Fucking nice.

And keep enjoying your right wing safe space and being anonymous you fucking coward

>caring about some jews opinion

'Sup wh*te boy.

whom are you quoting?

Just turn the gamma up on MPC

>right wing safe space
You're fucking here, how the fuck is it a "safe space"?
And I fucking LOVE the "right wing" accusation. On what do you base this, exactly, fellow incel?

>I can't attack you personally for your words instead of counterarguing the words themselves
>therefore YOU'RE the coward
Brilliant post, 10/10, voting democrat from now on.

what are you even trying to say here?

Yeah, because Rotten Tomatoes is the most legit review site

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Do you see a quote there you fucking newfag?

That the definition is wrong. It's literally spelled out, retard.

Daily reminder

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I don't see nothing wrong with that

Which part?

Of the top of my head.
Movies that are depressing but have a small light of hope at the end of the tunnel:
The Road
Green Mile
Life is beautiful
Jacob's ladder
Movies that just crush you and make you want to kill yourself:
Requiem for a dream
Schindler's list
Shutter Island

>Shutter Island

>Life is Beautiful
>Schindler's list

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Apparently it's hinted at in the novel that the kid goes off with cannibals in The Road, at the end.

>twitter
>critics
Looool
Also they do realize, ultimately Joker is the villain, right? Yikes that you're going to continue posting this nonsense.

Only The Road is depressing other have a "nice ending"

>mentally ill retards from leftist college and uni camps literally invented the term safe space where they could slowly indoctrinate every person dumb enough to go and study non-stem subjects back when we've still had the chance to stop the illness that now eats the corpse of white nations.
>Once they took total control of media and politics and thought police can charge you with muh feels crimes like hate and racism they do a full 180 and projects their fuckery on opposition
That's what pushed me away from the left and politics in general. Conservatives are cringy, backwards retards who let their emotions take over logic but modern liberals are calculated sociopaths who will lie in your face and believe their own lies as long as it means maintaining their useless fucking jobs.

Men have meme tastes just like women, Arrival is good but is the exact kind of film that turns (young) men off

>Having a good ending invalidates all the depressing themes in the movie
Based retard.

Have sex

Again it's subjective. That kid from life's is beautiful became an infant in a war ruined country. Pretty depressing. Requiem for a dream is almost comically depressing, like a culmination of mishaps you can expect as a junkie.
Shutter Island is a story of a guy who went crazy unable to deal with his loss and decided he would rather become lobotomised than live in a world without his family.
Green Mile is basically a story of how morally grey and ruthless our justice system really is.

The observation is meaningless if it has no emotional impact. Necessary for something to be viewed as art is it's recognition. Therefore it's dependant upon the viewer, i.e. subjective.
>talent and practice -> beautiful
Appreciation for good craftmanship is not particular to art and doesn't grasp it's essence. Neither is it objective since you'd need a point of reference to recognize it as complex work. Also, isn't appreciation for beauty an emotional response?
You are limiting art to it's superficial subjective aesthetic without considering abstract concepts. Art can work without aesthetics.

The art in this story is so fucking good

I was already under the impression that technique serves emotion, as it's a form which in theory would maximize a response. I had to get used to your distinction. The other guy's definition wasn't great though.
this

Have sex.

Good thing she didn't review the original Jacob's Ladder

I don't think Requiem for a dream had a happy ending.

“I have an opinion” t. Literally who.

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Cave art was shit, so was most if not all art before the archaic era

Love the detective work
Anime haters btfo forever

>meeting your wife's son in heaven
that's not depressing at all

Oppression of the gamers

Your perception of what deems art more worthy - the skill and amount of labor put into it or the subliminal message, is also entirely subjective.
Pyramids of Giza are nothing but tombs build by egomaniacs in charge sacrificing thousands of slave lives - yet they're art because they show the seemingly bottomless potential we have as a collective. The undertaking itself becomes the art.
I find people behind the art, their dedication, inhumane patience and extend to which they can master the craft very often more interesting and beautiful then the art itself.
And yes I'm aware that spraying your body fluids on canvas can, for better or worse, say more about our society than a painstaking realistic painting that took a decade to make and yet to me it feels more hollow, like the actual message of the art wasn't important enough even for the artist.

You're talking completely about expression. Nothing stirs me about the mise en scene in [pic related], but there is objective merit to soak in. You're talking completely about muh feels headcanon when you say brainlet quotes like, "Appreciation for good craftmanship is not particular to art and doesn't grasp it's essence." Craftsmanship is one of the biggest points of art. This is where most "artists" fail in the first place, a craftsman gets the point across while an "artist" worries about retard problems like "getting the perfect feeling." It has to appeal to sense, and that's it. Your emotions can be subjective and added, but I don't need them to know when something's art. It's observed, it's crafted, and it's a sense.

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Lilya 4ever

What'd you say to me, idiot?!?!

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the hunt

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Over 10,000 years with little to no innovation that has the skill level of a present day 7 year old

checked

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There will be blood starts like this. That's my favorite movie.

A 7-year-old is never touching that line work, and these unga bunga cavemen had no former training or art history to work from. They were the Michelangelo of their day.

It's No Country For Old Men depressing?

what's that supposed to be? a horse?

Grave of the Fireflies

>duh is dat horse a horse duhhhhhh?

with that body that'd be a bull

Great post.

Gets me every fucking time.

this is your mind on disney

Come and see

Woah that's actually pretty good.

>slender legs of a horse
>the mane of a horse
>the long tail of a horse
>literally no horns
Get your eyes checked. It's a horse.

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I bet she feels bad about treating a man in her personal life like Arthur and taking it out on herself via the review, dumb roastie

at least she likes Tom kino.

>things made by the entertainment industry don't need to entertain

Then me jerking off is art.

>Thinking cinema needs to be entertaining to be enjoyed
Sometimes people want more than constant dopamine hits

>The Joker's wife sort of looks like Harley

Oh Jesus. Oh fuck.

>shit lefty movie
>loved by critics
>hated by audiences
>shock, non-female comic
>hated by critics
>loved by audiences

seems right to me.

surprised no one said eternal sunshine yet. pure post breakup depression kino

I like you.

>me stupid american
>me only want big esplosions and funy quips xd
>me no want art dat make brain think

American pie is fucking kino

>movies are supposed to be fun all the time

Women were a mistake.

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Dumbledore died not Gandalf

>gandfalf died
Thanks for the fucking spoiler you cunt

>movies always have to have a happy ending
stick to disney cartoons

>the absolute state of Yea Forums zoomers who read a blurb and think that makes the whole review

>fatass mike giving us his insightful thoughts on a movie that hasn't even been released yet
>the bad guy here will be "society"
How the fuck does he know already, jesus stop whining

That's the line she chose to represent her review

The Grey
Dog Day Afternoon
American Graffiti
Chinatown
Amadeus
Platoon

Fucking. This.

Good choice.

Also, The Empire Strikes Back.

I checked the link and it's a 600 word review.
If you single sentence headline triggers your ADHD maybe you shouldn't post your opinions about reviewers.

Yes, but you didn't read the review and are just being a retard at this point. She was just complaining about how it's depressing. She chose that line from her review to present the central idea of her review and why she did not like it.

Memento

>WHAT IF "X" WAS PORTRAYED BY...?

JUST

MAKE

NEW STUFF

>women reviewing movies
yikes!

>"the central idea"
>a review is a complain
Another reminder this is why you shouldn't engage in serious discussions in Yea Forums.

why do normalfags believe anything "negative" or "dark" is inherently bad or wrong?

Check out this weak ass bait

When you strawman and miss the point entirely I would see why you would say that. You are going to need to work on your reading comprehension for next time though.

>Black Panther
>senstive, heartfelt storytelling
I guess spouting racist memes like DEM COLONIZERS and thinking the villain having a pretty death means he's not a fucking psycho makes it sensitive and heartfelt. Mmhmm

There's criticism and there's whining...

Calm down incel

How much of a shut in are you? Every other morning in existence claims to have depression

>"it's bad because it made me feel bad"
That's not how you review movies

How are you able to walk the streets without a functioning spine?

>vonnegut fags should love it since its just SH5 the movie.
How is it anything like Slaughterhouse 5?

>tfw when i made that screencap and this exact thread and it got no replies

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What exactly is wrong with her picking up that description for her review? Did (You) read the review? Is that truly the central "idea"? Why do you think it has the tone of a complain? Are you aware RT is just an aggregator like website? That whoever follows her reviews will read about the movie on her site and probably read it in full?
You even complained about the strawman when you are literally judging the review on the basis of a condensed headline.

Maybe you should pick up a few books about literature and film criticism.

Why care about what some medicore critic says? Just wait untill the movie actually comes out then praise or shit on it. Be your own critic you retards.

The Machinist

Insecure faggots need external validation. Ticket sales. Reviews. Ratings. "Did Reddit like it"?
It's all too tiresome.

You didn't actually read her review, but then you are complaining about other people not reading it. That line was chosen, like a headline to represent the theme of her review, and her review really starts only in the last two paragraphs. But then it goes back to your inability to understand what I've said or even read the article you are complaining about people not reading.

>There are some jokes, but they feel in bad taste, largely aimed at marginalised characters.
uh oh, better stay away

go watch marvel

>Did Reddit like it
Jesus fucking Christ Yea Forums really has hit a new low

But I did read it. As a matter of fact, my reading comprehension seems to be slightly superior to yours because the review-like part (description and analysis) starts in the 3rd paragraph and not in the last 2 like you said.

You still haven't answered why it's a wrong choice of a headline or why you think it's a complain.

F*males are race

blade runner 2049

This is because women are superficial and incapable of introspection on a level that a movie about a fucking comic book villain is. Of course they hate it. This is why they all watch Hallmark movies and shit.

Some good points but I dont think joker is what he describes.

>Art can work without aesthetics
>t. picrelated
You belong to a class of brainlets that should be fucking genocided.

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>You still haven't answered why it's a wrong choice of a headline
I said exactly the opposite, I said it's a correct choice of headlines, and represents the theme of her entire review and why she rated it poorly, complaining it was depressing.

Also a synopsis and talking about him losing weight for the role is not the review, those just set up the actual review portion., which starts in the last two paragraphs.

Hi, Stephanie. We know it's you kek

br2049 is the opposite of depressing

>women's opinions
come on, did your father teach you nothing

It's too bad this faggot board is filled with nigger coobrains that'll turn up their fat ugly noses at this inarguably truthful post like the soiguzzling lumps of late that they all are.

Newfag zoomer here. Serious question. Why does Yea Forums hate reddit? I mean, I like it because I'm anonymous and have similar movie taste, but I don't get the animosity

>fellowship
I didn't cry when he fell, but rather when they were out of Moria and you see everyone's reactions (especially Frodo)
Also when Sam is drowning and Frodo pulls him out of the water

They watch lifetime. But Hallmark is certified kino and Yea Forums approved, user. Just giving you a heads up.

It's a popluarity contest whereas here you have to get by on how valid your argument is, not how popular it is.

>it’s an incredibly physical performance that may remind some of his role as a hulking contract killer (...)
A review is parts description, analysis/criticism (this includes the references to support or illustrate an argument) and impression. Depending on who is writing, there will be more or less of some of the aspects.

I'd argue her review makes a bigger deal out of being forced to relate to a psychopath and how exploitative it felt for her. That's her critique ("this feels tone-deaf"), not that it's just another bleak film. That's what the last 2 paragraphs are about. And this thread started with "films are not supposed to be depressive".

I haven't even watched the movie but seems like a shit review tbqh. It's just that the complains against the review are pretty dumb, more so if you don't bother to read it.

Henry Portrait Of A Serial Killer
Fargo
Jacob’s Ladder
Nightcrawler

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where's the quips??

user, this is a place to post anime girls and be a troll. You're looking for /pol/ or /new/ , try there for political discussion.

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You're so fucking dull, no wonder you're forced to be a discord tranny your entire life

OMEGA BASED AND FUCKING REDPILLED. THANK YOU FOR NOT POSTING SŌI SHIT.

Well she isn't wrong for mission impossible fallout, I watched it twice in imax and I'm still salty I didn't make it a 3rd time, mcquarrie managed to utilize imax composition as effectively as michael bay and james cameron, my only gripe is how much cgi was in the halo jump because they shot all of that shit for real and then fucked it all up, and also it being one of two imax scenes, the helicopter chase sequence in imax reminded me alot of dark knight rises in a good way.

Side Note, I worked with the helicopter company that trained Tom Cruise, I asked all the pilots and they all said the same thing
>tom didn't rely on us to loan him a helicopter, he just bought one of ours for 6 million cash and practiced constantly
I heard he finished the training in 6 months
>yeah, but that isn't impressive, if you really put your nose to the grindstone user, even you could do it in 4 months, but that is if you have no life and do nothing else
>also, he is going to train with us for top gun 2 or whatever.

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underrated

>listening to women

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If women hate it, it must be good.

Ugh that image, my god.

based retard

Impressive again

Return of the Living Dead

Maybe some people have the ability to read critics without necessarily changing theire are opinions?

t. Capeshit conniseur

actually the impressionism of cave art wasn't really matched until the movement of the same name in the late 19th-20th century.

suck my dick

but on the other hand you get people who claim anything that is depressing is immediately deeper and more impressive than something that is happy.

Unironically based response

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>you're supposed to look at the art objectively.
You can't look at art objectively, retard. Unless your review is "the movie came out in 2019 and is directed by todd philips, I give it a no rating"

>That's why there's an objectivity to aspects of art
There is no objectivity to art, brainlet

no u

Cthulhu be like

>guy meets aliens
>goes back in time or something
literally the same exact story

>there is no such thing as objective talent or craft duhhhhhhh it's all subjective 'cause my feewings say so duhhhhhhhhhhh I also love Adam Sandwer movies duhhhhhhhh

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retard

Children recoil from any experience that doesn't give them immediate gratification. As you get older you're supposed to develop appreciation for nuance and the wider human experience.

>You can't look at art objectively
Oh boy check out this badly painted cieling. This isn't art at all. Who designed this? For me, it's the stylings of Steven Universe. What's the philosophy of objectivity and metaphysics anyway? No need to know, I got me my good ol' Cartoon Network flash shows.

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Those aren’t mutually exclusive.

That was the jist of the Times review.

falling down

our ancestors truly captured the beauty of the female form

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Really cool lesson about the theory of why they always made people to be more outlandish than animals: The thought is that they're in forms and positions that dance really well against fire light, and so the paintings served as a sort of show at night.

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Loveless

Imagine if you applied these people's logic to pic related
>Ok, I've pin pointed exactly what is it that bother me about Bridge to Terabithia
>I don't want to watch a movie where mediocre white kid is being traumatized at expense of a girl's life
>I don't want to watch well-intentioned but too imaginative get bullied and find some happiness in escapism
>Do you see what I am getting at?

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Fucking awesome.

Nah man, aliens.

Why do you retarded NPCs always get so upset at the truth? Yes, there is no objectivity to art. To claim a movie is OBJECTIVELY terrible, you'd have to prove that it's impossible to be entertained by it. Not just that nobody currently enjoys it, but that nobody will EVER enjoy it, for the rest of time.
You cannot objectively rate media, to claim you can is pure arrogance. It doesn't matter how poorly or incompetently a film is made, it cannot be objectively terrible. I've no qualms with people thinking films are bad, I think every Star Wars film is complete tosh, but that doesn't mean I can go about labelling them as 'objectively rubbish' without being wrong.

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What if a film were to be made with the sole objective of being consumed? What if it failed to match a preceding film in a series by hundreds of millions of dollars? Would you accept that as an objective measure of a film’s worth?

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Art can only function and exist if it is subjective, you retarded teens.

>NPCs
>there is no objectivity to art
The thought that there is no objective art is an NPC thought, you fucking normie NPC retard.
>To claim a movie is OBJECTIVELY terrible, you'd have to prove that it's impossible to be entertained by it
That would make it bad entertainment, not bad art. You seem to be confused about even the simplest od words and ideas. You should stop typing about things you have no idea of.
>You cannot objectively rate media
You can absolutely rate merits/aspects of media objectively. Even the underlying basis of "subjectivity in art" is formed by an objective and mathematical reality of color theory, ratio, proportion, and to a lesser extent, composition and other elements that make up art. There's a truth, in metaphysics and philosophy, to art that's even vaguely noteworthy, and truth is an objective reality. Art is the wonky side of the truth. Without these metaphysics, we'd have blank canvases or nothing but still life drawings that do nothing for the senses. You lost before you even began, you mental midget.

Hey isn’t this the guy who had a jewish wife and told nobody when he had a show called the daily shoah.

>Captain Marvel
>Well-written

HAHAHAHAHAHAH
a dog could write a better movie

What if I told you I'm entertained because I feel bad.

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Looks a bit like Brian Bolland to me.

This user gets it
Art cannot be objective because the reaction to art necessarily comes from human experience, which is necessarily subjective.

Using the term "objective" liberally is one of the absolute worst internet memes that have ever come to be

>The thought that there is no objective art is an NPC thought, you fucking normie NPC retard.
But that's wrong you fucking retard, an NPC wants to have his opinion to be fact. They don't like it if their collective opinion is challenged and therefore try to pretend art is "objective"
>That would make it bad entertainment, not bad art. You seem to be confused about even the simplest od words and ideas. You should stop typing about things you have no idea of.
A movie's purpose is to entertain (in the most general sense, you watch a russian arthouse film to be entertained too, just not in the same way as for example capeshit), therefore a movie's objective value should be rated on that, which it can't.
>You can absolutely rate merits/aspects of media objectively. Even the underlying basis of "subjectivity in art" is formed by an objective and mathematical reality of color theory, ratio, proportion, and to a lesser extent, composition and other elements that make up art. There's a truth, in metaphysics and philosophy, to art that's even vaguely noteworthy, and truth is an objective reality. Art is the wonky side of the truth. Without these metaphysics, we'd have blank canvases or nothing but still life drawings that do nothing for the senses. You lost before you even began, you mental midget.
That does not mean shit, I can still have a different opinion on an artpiece and you could too. Neither of us are wrong or right. That's reality, kiddo. You literally grow out of this mindset after puberty; that movies can be objectively bad or good. It's silly and shows off how underage you are.

Western women are retarded.

>But that's wrong you fucking retard, an NPC wants to have his opinion to be fact.
Literally all normie NPC retards like you tell people they can't define art because it's subjective. You're all a crock product of bad parenting and headcanon.
>A movie's purpose is to entertain
A film's purpose can be anything: Is it a documentary simply meant to inform? Not all film aims to be art. That's why up until "La Passion de Jeanne d'Arc" nobody ever considered film an artistic form. That film aimed to be judged by artistic merit. Once again, you're confused and grossly uneducated on the matter. Stop typing about things you have no clue about, you fucking moron.
>That doesn't mean shit
duuuhhhhhhh objective truths like color of theory, ratio, proportion, composition, mise en scene and sensory is subjective cuz I say so duhhhhh
Jesus Christ, stop calling people kids when you barely made it out of middle school with those thoughts.

I was right. It is Brian Bolland. They ruined it with full color.

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>Literally all normie NPC retards like you tell people they can't define art because it's subjective. You're all a crock product of bad parenting and headcanon.
It's the exact opposit you braindead manhole
>A film's purpose can be anything
Yes, but you watch it to be entertained (again, in the most general possible sense). Even La Passion de Jeanne d'Arc you watch to be entertained, just not in the same way as other films. I don't see why you have such a big problem with that.
>duuuhhhhhhh objective truths like color of theory, ratio, proportion, composition, mise en scene and sensory is subjective cuz I say so duhhhhh
Those things don't make an artpiece good. A well-written, well-acted, well-directed film doesn't make a good one. It shoud be genius at least at something.

Dear fucking god this is literally a conversation for teenagers, no adult thinks art deals in the realm of objectivity, it's the dumbest fucking brainlet argument around.

The fuck is this? Who did this and why?

DC

The original was full black and white btw

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>A well-written, well-acted, well-directed film doesn't make a good one. It shoud be genius at least at something.
AH HAHAHAHAHAHA
Okay, you black hole of thought, and yes again your "subjective art" is an NPC normie thought, you obviously haven't spoken to people in a long time, what should a film be "genius" at? Putting aside the extremely objective elements I've presented, because you seem to hate these objective aspects for some retard reason that makes your caveman NPC brain all flustered, what makes it "art to you?" What's "genius" to you?

>and yes again your "subjective art" is an NPC normie thought
Give me a couple examples of normies saying that, then.
> what should a film be "genius" at?
Mona Lisa is a fucking chick sitting in a fucking chair. With one hell of a cheesy background. Still it's brillant. It's all about the magic of her smile, etc.
What I'm saying is: The "established set of conventions" is not enough to make a film good. There's always a certain amount of "magic" to art.

I don't know why your NPC brain has such a problem understanding this, probably your obsession with objectivity is hard programmed in like with all the others

People said the same shit about Blade Runner decades ago.

'Hoes mad'.

She doesn't say its not entertaining. The entire drama genre is about indulging in sadness, so it should be systematically badly rated?

I am kind of amazed by The Road, and I will never watch it again. I felt so shit afterwards and depressed and I though about how I despised the wife in the beginning and in the end I thought *spoiler* "She was right all along".

10/10

the seventh continent

Looks like the rear of some poultry

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>Still it's brillant. It's all about the magic of her smile, etc
It's a piece set apart from other Renaissance paintings and takes on a huge Baroque dynamic, and sets itself apart from both by the highlight and detail of the background that displays no riches. With her gown and nothing else, we see the optical illusion between her eyes and lips that present happiness. There was no need for "etc" with a very simple concept. You seem to be conflating your elementary level of artistic understanding with "like, just how it is, man." You didn't answer my questions at all. Instead you asked me to show you other normies talking about "subjective art." Go outside. Ask literally anyone, you ape. They'll all say the same parroted shit you're saying. We're done here. Get the last word in on me, it doesn't matter. There's nothing I can gain from you.

Just some of my recently watched:
The Bad Sleep Well
When The Wind Blows
Picnic at Hanging Rock
The Virgin Spring
Sunset Boulevard
A Man For All Seasons

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Depends on whether you think existentialism is depressing

This is a much better movie
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Lost in Translation

>They automatically equate happy with good and depressing with bad

She didn't say that, you did. You're basically arguing with your own imagination.

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NO DON'T TELL HER!!!! Please no!!! FUCK

>But that's wrong you fucking retard
Wow, what a great way of having a debate.

>This whole thread
H A V E
S E X

>You're basically arguing with your own imagination.
Not quite. The review in OP's pic essentially says that she didn't like the movie because it is "too dark". Too dark here equating depressing.

It happens to me all the time and I've learned that it's all about time zones. early morning (where I live) It's full of anglos-Söy trek and shit taste threads

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Wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

Art does not need to invoke emotion to be art. Art doesn't need to be beautiful to be art. Art doesn't need meaning to be art.

Ugly art is art. Meaningless art is art. Emotionless art is art. Art is art is art is art. A bad pizza is still pizza; a bad movie is still a movie. A piece of art that elicits nothing in you is still art.

Stop tying "emotion" to "good." Art doesn't stop being art because you find it ugly or have no emotion towards it. I have no idea why people still can't figure this out.

Art is merely using a medium [paint, drawing, sculpture, music, writing, etc.] to convey an idea -- abstract or otherwise. That's it.

Watts here problem with the movie?

It's the opposite of a clown movie

Literally this. It's more like hate speech at that point.

>NANANANANANA YOU ARE WRONG I AM RIGHT IM NOT LISTENING NANANANA
Great arguments, kid. No wonder you think art is objective.

Now go put paste on your chip again you NPC faggot

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fantastic bait

Magnolia

Isn't this homo married to a kike? Wignats are fucking cringe man