I want to love Lord of the Rings but there is just one glaring plot hole...

I think they discussed this at Elrond's breakfast meeting. The Ring has a will of its own. Dropping it into the ocean would eventually entice sea creatures to its power, or worse. There's also the possibility that whoever assisted in taking it out to the middle of the ocean would be corrupted by it on the way there, which is likely if elves or men are involved. The Ring has also been shown to be able to manipulate its own size, and it can arguably do the same with its mass. The only reason it stayed in the river bed where Isildur lost it for so long was that its master was rendered effectively useless for a long time after his defeat. It could have potentially either enticed the fucking fish to go after it or just floated to the surface, but it was patient and waited for a good, wretched, easily manipulated servant to come along. Basically, only the final solution is a good solution for the Ring. Sauron sucked off Melkor to get power beyond that which he should have, and Melkor was a higher angel, so the Ring is divinity. Normal methods to get rid of it would always somehow go awry, or it would just get inexplicably found again later. It's complete horse shit.

The Nazgul didn't ride again until Sauron was awake. Sauron wouldn't even want them looking for while he's gone because then one of them would just try and be the new dark lord. Same reason that neither Gandalf or Galadriel wanted it; Sauron can't trust anyone with it and nobody can trust themselves with it.

Also this. Sauron wins gg ez with the ring. Sauron also wins nine times out of ten without the ring. But if you destroy the ring, that's an instant defeat condition for Sauron. That makes it the only viable strat.

>We’re they
How do you fucking yokels always manage to embarrass yourselves while trying to act superior? It's like a super power.

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Sauron was going to steamroll Middle Earth with his conventional armies, with our without the ring

Hiding it wouldn't have really done anything except guarantee Sauron could never be destroyed

??? What did he mean by this

In the books Gandalf tells the council that there are ancient evil things in the far depths of the ocean that would be a real problem if they got hold of the ring

Remember the creature in the water that tries to take Frodo? It could sense the ring on him and wanted it, and that thing's a little baby compared to the cthulu abominations that exist in the oceans of their world

I want to love Lord of the Rings but there is just one glaring plot hole.... Why aren't there more big titty cute elf waifus

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What the hell are you on about? Weren’t they getting their shit pushed in before Sauron ever had the ring?

this
people always seem to get confused and think Sauron needed the ring to win
he clearly didn't

This was specifically addressed. The Ring has a will of its own, wants to be found, and uses magical influence to make it happen. That's how it got to Smeagol in the first place! Not only can you not read, but apparently you can't watch dumbed-down plebfeed adaptations, either.

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Busy getting fucked by draenei shemale horsecock in WoW.

Why didn't they event an airplane and have Frodo fly over the mountain and drop the ring in?

Why didn't Sauron just pierce his dick with it and wear it there? Nobody would ever expect it.

Sauron made multiple rings.

what happened to all of them?

don't inject your disgusting fetishes into it

Goldberry.

God knows what she is, but not an elf.
Besides, we're talking about the movie.

Arwen was cute

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So there's those octopus/cthulu looking fucks in that lake outside Moria were there bigger monsters in the oceans? I haven't read it but didn't the similiarion cover the world's formation and how that big ass dragon was the biggest evil of all?

the draenei are doing the injecting if you know what I mean

Men became Nazguls, dwarves went into the mines deeper or something, and elves I think could resist it because Elrond and Galadrial have rings but they can't resist the ring that rules them all.

What has always bothered me about the movies, and idk if the books explain this at all, but what exactly happens when Sauron gets the ring back? The whole time in the movies they just keep saying over and over that it would indeed be a very bad thing if he got the ring back. No details. Just that it would be bad for everyone.

Yeah, see just like how the Balrog was still lurking deep in the earth, similar ancient evil monsters lurk in the depths of the sea

Getting the ring back returns his full power, allowing him to manifest a physical form instead of being stuck as the disembodied eye

>that big ass dragon was the biggest evil of all?
That big ass dragon was just literal Satan's final trump card, it didn't compare to Sauron, Morgoth, or other horrors like Ungoliant.

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Yea and what was lord of the rings tax policy?

Why doesn't someone make LoTR material about shit other than the war with Sauron? Why isn't there a series about the world outside of Middle Earth like the oceans and Undying Lands? Undying Lands can't be just a bunch of immortal fucks hanging out without any danger at all.

Because Tolkien never wrote about any of that, and if you're not using Tolkien's material as a source you're just doing literal fanfiction

>Undying Lands can't be just a bunch of immortal fucks hanging out without any danger at all.
yes it can
that's exactly what it is

because Sauron could probably just get a fish to eat the ring and then have someone catch the fish.

wasn't there sketchy shit north and south of the undying lands though

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Is the Similiarion worth reading or is it unreadable drivel with a bunch of random names like a genealogy listed of all the character's accomplishments? Is it a coherent story that forms the basis of the world of LoTR?

What kind of cool magic ring would want to be stuck in a dark cave with a deluded balding manlet like yourself. Seriously these levels of COPE are wild

It's written as more of a historical record/encyclopedia than an actual coherent narrative

9 human rings are with the Nazgul.
3 elf rings are with Gandalf, Elrond and Galadriel.
4 Dwarf rings got eaten by dragons, 3 were recaptured by Sauron. He promised to give them back if they told him where Bilbo was.

Sauron was supposed to be in a physical form in LotR, but he was too weak to leave his tower without the ring. The big eye was made up by PJ to make a more menacing villain

Well I guess the end result is the same - he needs to ring to regain his full power and be able to walk Middle Earth again

Why are the rings separated by race what happens if a dorf wore an elf ring also holy fuck dragons? What can they do with rings?

>He promised to give them back if they told him where Bilbo was
Why would they want them back? What powers did the Dwarvish rings posses?

why didn't frodo just hide the ring in his ass

>What can they do with rings?
Nothing. The Dwarf kings, while wearing their rings, were just eaten by dragons

>every evil creature and agent of Sauron is drawn directly to your asshole
I mean if that's what you're into

Dragons should have fucked on the bitch ass ring and been the overlord of everyone

>one glaring plot hole
You mean the one directly addressed in the council of Elrond by two of the wisest beings on middle earth?

The 15 Dwarf and human rings are the same, they were made by Elves under Sauron's teaching. Sauron left and then they made 3 more powerful rings in secret.

They mainly helped the Dwarves get more gold. But then they ended with giant piles of riches that attracted dragons which is how half of them got eaten.

Why didn't they give the ring to the eagles?

Cause an eagle would wear it and shoot lasers out of his eyes at everything

it would have corrupted them - nobody is immune to it
and eagles are canonically assholes who only care about eagle things

Would wearing the ring a sword a cock ring stop they evil guys from taking it? Cause who wants to wear a ring with cock sweat on it

Then why did they save Gandalf’s ass on so many occasions

But then what happens when he has a body?

War and destruction? Because that’s already happening. Does he enslave everyone? Is he just a dick to everyone? It’s never really explained. He’s just a bad guy who was bad and made some rings that were also bad and they better not let him be bad again.

I'm paraphrasing a bit, but the eagles basically would have told them to fuck off. In The Hobbit, they said they wouldn't go anywhere near the Lonely Mountain because it would be suicidal. Same thing would have applied to them flying in Mordor, so the conversation would have gone like this:
>"You want us to take WHAT and fly into WHERE?"
>"Yeah nah, fuck off."

>boat the ring out into the ocean
>fish eats it
>fish gets caught
>fisherman brings it back to shore

They owed him a favor for some reason or another, and he mentions it's not something he can just do on a whim
Only a person of Gandalf's stature could even call in such a favor

>Sauron appears to the Elves as a sexy dude named Annatar
>Shows their chief smith, Celebrimbor, how to forge these cool rings and distributes them to the different races
>Gives 9 to powerful humans who's quest for power and long life corrupts them into the Nazgul
*Gives 7 to the Dwarves who become greedy, isolated, and insular. Tolkein doesn't write a whole lot about the individual rings, but 3 were in possession of Thorin Oakenshield's ancestors, which eventually lead to both Khazad Dum and Erebor's downfall
>Celebrimbor himself forges the Three meant for the Elves without any help from Annatar
>Sauron crafts the One and pours most of his power into it with the intent to dominate the other ring bearers
>Elves see through Annatar's scheming, he drops the facade and begins to wage war on Middle Earth
>Sauron is eventually defeated and left unable to take physical form without the One
>The Nazgul scatter and go into hiding until Sauron becomes active again at the start of LOTR
>The Seven become passed down through Dwarven royal lines and are eventually mostly reclaimed by Sauron
>The Three are kept by Elrond, Galadriel, and Gandalf and are used to keep Lothlorien and Rivendell safe and free from entropy
>The One gets claimed by Isildur who loses it when it betrays him at Gladden Fields, winds up at the bottom of the Anduin for a few thousand years until Deagol finds it

>Because that’s already happening.
Not on the same scale of him with a body

The elven rings were made by Celebrimbor in secret, and were untouched by the taint of Sauron.
There are seven dwarf houses, and each one was given a ring. Because they were made by the turbo autist Aule they're difficult to corrupt and all the rings did was turn them into super-jews.
There were 9 lords of men, but I'm pretty sure they were all heathen tribes and kingdoms. It gave them power, but sucked them into the wraith world and bound them to sauron forever.
The elf rings can be used safely, but the one ring is still a back door into all of them.

>hide the ring
>throw it in the ocean
>It would have been stuck in a cave for forever
No, no and no. The ring wants to return to Sauron, it has a way of positioning itself so that someone will eventually stumble across it. Throw it in the ocean, it'll end up in a river where some unlucky elf spots the sun winking off of it and finds it. Hide it in a cave and eventually some goblin fuck gets lost in a tunnel and not-so-coincidentally happens to stumble upon it.
No matter where you hide or lose it, the point is that it will always be found, even if it takes an age, and as long as it exists, so does Sauron. All he has to do is play the waiting game.

>>boat the ring out into the ocean
>>fish eats it
>>fish gets caught
>>fisherman brings it back to shore
This. The ring wants to be found. As Saurons power grows, the ring is drawn back to him. Fate will make exactly what you described happen. This is how the ring found Gollum in the first place.

>In The Hobbit, they said they wouldn't go anywhere near the Lonely Mountain because it would be suicidal.
>they go to the Lonely Mountain at the end of The Hobbit and survive

The ring didn’t want to make its way back to its owner yet, it was too dangerous. Could have fallen into the wrong hands, such as Borimir or some gigachad elf who’d proceed to fuck shit up before it was time.
Neither did it want to be abandoned in some nameless ocean depths.
It required a caretaker until conditions were right for Sauron to manifest himself once more. Ergo, smegol was perfect, kept it hidden in a cave for hundreds of years.
Once Sauron was ready the Ringwraiths were ordered to start searching middle earth for it. They knew of Smegol and captured him thinking he still had it. But Bilbo had taken it off him and they tortured him until they knew what happened. That’s why they went to the shire.

You’re just fucking retarded, ok? The sooner you just accept that fact and stop trying to reason with the grown ups, the happier you’ll be.

That was after Smaug was dead, right? It's been a while since I read the book.

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>'Then, said Glorfindel, 'let us cast it into the deeps, and so make the lies of Saruman come true. For it is clear now that even at the Council his feet were already on a crooked path. He knew that the Ring was not lost for ever, but wished us to think so; for he began to lust for it for himself. Yet oft in lies truth is hidden: in the Sea it would be safe.'
>'Not safe for ever,' said Gandalf. 'There are many things in the deep waters; and seas and lands may change. And it is not our part here to take thought only for a season, or for a few lives of Men, or for a passing age of the world. We should seek a final end of this menace, even if we do not hope to make one.'

Based Tolkien thought of everything.

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yea word got out that the dragon was dead, so the 5 armies gathered to fight over the hoard. Even the eagles heard about it

Such is the power of the ring that literally like a worm would crawl into it and a fish would swallow it, then the fish would end up being caught by a village and it would end up on a plate before a king and it would find it's way back to it's creator.

The problem is that unless Sauron's tower can SAM site them out of the sky, there really is no reason not to. We see the eagles fucking up the Nazgul's fell beasts so they're not threat.

>dorf
Always gibe me a giggle.

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I think Smaug was the big deal breaker for them and the reason why they avoided the Lonely Mountain instead of dropping off Bilbo and co. right at its roots.

Would only be delaying the inevitable. The ring has a will of its own and can influence anything that comes across it. They knew that some day someone would have to carry the burden so they did the noble thing and put it on themselves.

>he needs to ring to regain his full power and be able to walk Middle Earth again
No he doesn't. He can't be killed permanently as long as the ring is around because it anchors him to middle earth. He just isn't able to shapeshift any more, and looks like a burnt up husk.
Sauron doesn't NEED the ring at all. He knows anyone who finds it will be corrupted by it, and bring it closer to him eventually. He knows the ring wont let itself be destroyed. His only real concern is Heir of Isildur fulfilling their prophecy to kill him.
Sauron still wins with the orc armies, and all the western armies that were still in the process of rallying when he ordered a flying column to gondor because Aragorn rused him with the palantir.

Why didn't they sail west, and get to Mordor by circumnavigating Middle-Earth? They could have avoided almost all of Sauron's forces, and even his big gate.

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>Flying directly into Mordor towards Mt. Doom with the ring in your posession
This would allow Sauron to instantly infer their plan to destroy it, and he'd guard the shit out of the forge

Sneaking the ring in was the only way to escape his notice, and they required an army at his doorstep to allow that chance to sneak in

Why does Gandalf have one of the three Elven rings? If any wizard was to have one wouldn’t it be Sauraman?
Why wasn’t another GigaChad elf given the ring instead of a Wizard?
Curious how that came about

>They could have avoided almost all of Sauron's forces,
They would have had to wander through a continent the size of asia that had ALWAYS been under the control of Morgoth and then Sauron. Also the only good shipbuilders left in middle earth are the corsairs and Based Cirdan, and his ships are all for one way trips to the west.

sauron didnt need ring in his possession to return to power, the ring just needed to exist. getting the ring in his possession wouldve just secured and accelerated the inevitable

/thread

You forgot about those boats in Return that had orcs on them and the mercenary pirates under Sauron. Sauron had literally everything under his control and remember Saruman conscripted barbarians to fight for him too.

Gandalf was the closest wizard to the elves. Círdan gave him the ring because of his complete trust in him.

Reminder that Sauron was correct about nobody being able to destroy the ring (Frodo fails at the very end)

only a literal act of God allowed it to be destroyed

>ring was lost once underwater and was found again
>op thinks losing the ring in water again will solve the problem for good
Do you enjoy being monstrously retarded, op?

Cirdan, the oldest elf this side of valinor met the 5 Istari (wizards) as they got off their boat and recognized that gandalf was the greatest of them, and he saw part of what his task would entail, so he gave him his ring in secret. It's ability is to kindle hope in the hearts of men when all other light has gone out.
Gandalf was originally supposed to be the leader of the 5 istari, but he was afraid and unsure of himself and begged for them to give anyone else that burden. This is the whole reason he likes Hobbits so much, even though they're so small and weak they've still got pluck and courage when push comes to shove, and if they can face these big challenges with a stiff upper lip then he had better rise to the occasional as well.

Cirdan the Shipwright ended up with one after Gil-galad, the last High King of the Noldor died during the War of the Last Alliance. He was there when the Wizards arrived on Middle Earth and was able to tell that even though Gandalf was better to give it to than Saruman.

The Elf Rings are not for making you better at combat. Elrond and Galadriel use them to preserve Rivendell/Lorien against the flow of time. Gandalf is given his to help him inspire the heats of men.

If God pushes Gollum into the lava then why couldn’t he just come down from heaven and put a stop to the whole thing entirely?

Thanks guys
I love this lore, could do an entire movie on something as relatively simple as the backstory to Gandalf being given this ring

When will you wear wigs?

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God doesn't solve your problems for you. He helps the worthy who have proven themselves with something that no mortal could have done on his own.

Because they had to go beyond their own physical and spiritual limits before god could intervene to help.

So can you use the powers of the ring to do cool shit or not?

Can a human or elf actually gain power from it?

>those boats in Return that had orcs on them
Those were shitty small boats made for carrying troops across a river, not the open sea

If you think about it logically it makes more sense just to shave your head

he could have just stuffed it up his butt.

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Actually, its destruction was completely ironic.

The ring was destroyed because Gollum's greed and lust overpowered him. He simply wanted it and nothing else mattered. He was more than willingly plumb himself into the fires of Mt. Doom just to possess it even for a moment.

Sauron's final gambit had ultimately failed.

Gollum swears by the prescious that he wont try to hurt the hobbitses or try to take the ring from the master under penalty of throwing himself from a mountain.
When he attacks after betraying them to shelob frodo threatens him by saying if he ever tries to take the thing again he would throw himself into the fires of Mt. Doom.
Frodo warns him in the beginning, when he wants to swear by the ring, that it is tricky, and it will hold him to his oath - and if there's one thing you can't break in middle earth without causing a shitload of trouble its muh oath motherfucker.
Its a deus ex machina, but one that is very well and subtly set up.

>Lotr and the hobbit are the only things tolkien wrote

People never get mad at this pasta. They always just answer the OP honestly and talk about LOTRs.

Fuck this pasta. You and I both know this is addressed at the council of elrond

And who's to say the mercenaries under Sauron's employ didn't have fuck huge boats?

Because they don’t pass the buck. They deal with shit, like good men.

Test

The message here and ultimate moral is that evil is unnatural and self defeating.

>we are they

Other than the Corsairs none of them used/needed boats that much, so it’s safe to say that most of them didn’t have fuckhuge boats

Lmao right after you said this I unknowingly post this

Why did Aragorn give up his literally unkillable army of ghosts after just one battle? Sauron would stand no chance against them

In the book theyre just spooky and they were bound to and oath for one battle so they were allowed to rest

>one does not simply walk into mordor
>they put on orc costumes and walk in
>they could have just done this from the beginning

How/when did Gandalf lose the ring?

the thumbnail reminds me of ass-to-ass

>a necromancer would stand no chance against a ghost army

who would win in a 1v1, fingolfin or sauron

Fingolfin > Sauron without the Ring
Fingolfin < Sauron with the Ring

fingolfin squared up against melkor who would dumpster sauron with the ring

The Undying Lands after the fall of Sauron and "the oceans" are not covered in any of his writings - not even the Silmarillion

I thought the thumbnail was a golden dildo between two pairs of asscheeks.

He honored their promise - fight for him in one last battle and he would set them free

Keeping them around would violate the oath he swore to acquire their services

For a split second, I thought I was looking at a fannie maye pixie (or a turtle, as it's better known) sandwiched in a vulva.

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they cover this in like the first 10 minutes. I think Frodo even says "let's hide it" and gandalf immediately shoots him down. the ring is sentient and evil and will "find its way back" to sauron, somehow (how isn't specified, presumably by rolling though). Also this

yknow I kinda get why they cut tommy sing-along from the film version, but I wish they'd found a way to work in old man willow and the barrow wights. that's some of the coolest shit from the first book, and it's an entire book of nonstop cool shit

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>Why didn't Frodo just hide the ring somewhere like throw it in the ocean.

>mermaid finds the ring
>gets turned to evil
>becomes servant evil
>no Aquaman to save the day

I actually remember this, one of the few things from the Silmarillion that stuck with me: Gandalf has power over them because their God, Eaea or Maiya or something like that, is the same God as the one that gave Gandalf his power. So when he commands them, he's basically telling them that his will is their God's will.
So he's an exception because he can pull the "I'm basically your Messiah" card on them. No one but bird Messiah can command the birds.

Why didn't Elrond just kill Isildur and drop the ring in there? Failing that just tackle him in there with himself.

>How do you fucking yokels always manage to embarrass yourselves while trying to act superior?

>a typo on a Bhutanese underwater basket weaving forum is an embarrassment

Become the 41% faggot.

the ring system sounds very similar to the horocrux system in harry potter.

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Because then Sam would turn invisible

good posts /thread

The idea of a Horcrux is just a classic philactory used by all Lich types long before Rowling was around

>make a fifteen line greentext greenpost
>guaranteed replies
i can't even imagine what it's like to be this attention-starved

*phylactery

>Why didn't Frodo just hide the ring somewhere like throw it in the ocean. It would have been stuck in a cave for forever if those dumb manlets never took the ring in the first place. So why not just hide it again.
It'd be found or another gollum would happen.

Seething grammarlet detected.

>The big eye was made up by PJ to make a more menacing villain
wait, what? PJ didn't invent the lidless eye. that's straight from the text.
"then he saw, rising black, blacker and darker than the vast shades amid which it stood, the cruel pinnacles and iron crown of the topmost tower of Barad-dûr. One moment only it stared out, but as from some great window immeasurably high there stabbed northward a flame of red, the flicker of a piercing Eye" is right out of return of the king, and frodo sees visions of it as an eye ringed with fire. the visual of a big red floating eyeball dates back to the rankin bass return of the king movie, at least.

"No."

This is literally the only good retardo question in this thread. Why?

imagine the bible but lotr lore
it's not a list of names/events, but it's not a real adventure story either

Isildur was a Numenorian superchad and could have broken Elrond in half even without the ring.

you realize there's a reason for that, right

>fingolfin
he cute

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So that for 2000 years he could tell people about the day that the strength of men failed

Then isildurs heir fucks his daughter, now that's humiliating

Wasn't Elrond also a superchad?

nicee

Underrated.

harry potter sounds similar to a lot of things, because that's how derivative trash works

I gift you a blade forged of 1000 keks

lol imagine being this cucked

Imagine reering a girl for 2000 years just for her to get humaned.com

>do that
>come outside to what remains of the alliance armies
>'ayy lads kinda had to stab your king, we chill tho'
>humans get mad and start stabbing elves and everyone kills each other
Also, elrond likes to complain about 'muh strength of men', but he never held the ring himself, so it's likely if he took it from isildur, he'd just get corrupted as well, walk away and then things would be even worse

>sauron just HAPPENED to wake up exactly when the ring was about to be destroyed
>the ring HAPPENED to be discovered by a friend of gandalf's around the same time
Hmmm

Based

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Tolkien was no Rowling that's for sure

All as Illuvatar ordained.

Part of Sauron's waking was the restlessness of the ring and part of the restlessness of the ring was Sauron's waking.

Both of those things happened (albeit a river not an ocean) and the ring came back.

Fucking newfag. How the fuck can you come here without being able to see ironic posting?

I think that's one point people seem to miss when watching the movies, that Sauron, even without the ring was still going to take over Middle Earth. The films don't quite get across just how powerful he is compared to everyone else.

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>your king faught bravely but succumbed to his injuries
since mt. doom was gonna explode anyway the body would never be searched. He'd have to live with muh power of men for the rest of eternity, but it was worth it

>the ring HAPPENED to be discovered by a friend of gandalf's around the same time
after literally hundreds of years and several other hosts

Morgoth at the end of the first age would not "dumpster" Sauron with the ring. Tolkien specifically wrote that Sauron with the ring at the height of his power in the second age was greater in might than Morgoth in the end of the first age after he had bound his power in corrupting the very essence of Middle-Earth itself, there creating a "ring" of his own - the whole of Middle-Earth was his ring.

At what point do Elves stop ageing? Elrond and Galadriel look to be around 40 while Arwen is in her 20s

>a art

nah dude all sauron can fart out is some orcs and trolls, he's not pumping out literal armies of balrogs and dragons like melkor did

The ring is sentient, and can call people to be found. The reason to why it drew the attention of smeagol's brother was because it realized Sauron was finally getting back on his feet, and wanted to go meet his master. If it was hidden, in little time it would be found SPECIALLY now that Sauron was becoming increasingly more powerful and so was his magic.

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>human rings
Became the nazgul.

>Dwarven rings
The ring doesn't affect then as it should, since they are not sons of Iluvatar, it's only effect was to make then greedier, which eventually led to the owners doing dumb shit like trying to rob dragons and get their rings and themselves destroyed.

>elven rings
They realized before hand when Sauron pulled the trigger that the rings were evil, and took them out. Now they are kept safe.

Elrond would get his ass kicked. Isildur was a Numenorian that just holded his ground against Sauron, no way Elrond would attack him and get trow out in the magma after getting ass raped.

Jesus, now that's very good insight. Elrond couldn't get more cucked even if he tried.

In the books they weren't at Mt. Doom, let alone in a spot where they could drop it into the central cone. But even if Elrond did beat Isildur (who was crazy strong) and took the ring, the ring probably would've persuaded him to not march up there and destroy it.

Why do you say "men"?

>"Take this ring, master," he said, "for your labours will be heavy; but it will support you in the weariness that you have taken upon yourself. For this is the Ring of Fire, and with it you may rekindle hearts in a world that grows chill."

So it works on all the races on middle earth.

The one ring functioned as a force multiplier for sauron. With it he was more powerful than his natural pre-ring maiar spirit self.

Thinking god does this and not that is the biggest hubris

He he *blushes*

Yes im sure double crossing your unkillable ghost army is a good idea

When can we get a movie that involves the first war with melkor?

Who represents the jews in the Tolkien universe?

Dwarves.

How did elf's know what breakfast was?

Can a lorefriend tell me about the lands beyond middle earth? I know about the undying lands and their separation but what else is there?

Why not read The Silmarillion?

The third movie really killed the series for me. I'm currently reading the books but man that one stunk.

Hopefully never.
I want Hollywood to keep their filthy hands off Tolkien's work. Especially anything from the earlier ages.

Tolkien is big on entropy. You're both right in a sense. Sauron in a dead world is far scarier than Morgoth in Dragon Ball Z Land

Well, to the east you have very little information except for the races of Men that we see come from there answering Sauron's call. Generally considered to be a more savage land. It's also said that the two Blue Wizards (whose names even Gandalf has forgotten) went East and forgot their mission.

There is a lesson to be learned from this, basically if you have an issue right know fix it instead of not giving a fuck and passing it to the next generations

I've been meaning to.
How did they hear his call?

I think Gandalf also knew full well that if they didn't destroy the ring/Sauron soon he would just conquer Middle Earth conventionally
Probably just didn't want to freak everybody out though by saying "you're already dead if we don't do this now"

passing it to another generation wasn't really an option, considering there wouldn't have been any future generations of anything except orcs

why didn't the orcs cast the ring into the fire

Evil beings are just drawn to Sauron, I guess. Maybe he sent out scouts, or it was just a case of his corruption being felt more strongly by the savage races and thus drawing them to him naturally.

Did Tolkien ever admitted to plagiarizing the entire ring of power concept from Wagner?

Thanks lorefriend.

if even Frodo, the most incorruptible being in Middle Earth, couldn't bring himself to destroy the ring do you really think an Orc could?
they'd be corrupted the second they looked at it

yes but Eru could have tripped an orc a lot easier than a hobbit
higher center of gravity

Read it, then. It's much better than getting your lore in a diluted form off comments on the internet. It doesn't actually have much on the East, though, but it does briefly mention other lands. And it has plenty on lands that are no more in the time of LOTR.

>Frodo, the most incorruptible being in Middle Earth
I'd argue this goes to Samwise
I won't even bring up Bombadil

you've got me there

>the ring tries to tempt Sam by showing him a vision of all middle earth as one great, grand sprawling garden with him as the gardenkeeper
>Sam thinks it's a nice idea, but almost instantly rejects it and willingly gives the ring back
good man

So what do you guys think of the visual portrayals of Sauron and Balrogs and the like in the films? Do you think they were done well? Do you think the old Rankin Bass toons did anything better?

I think the Balrog was done wonderfully, and Sauron was pretty good too if just a little cliche "dark lord"
Which is fine considering in a lot of ways he is the original cliche dark lord

I like the Balrog a lot. Sauron was.. alright.

>Eating a big bowl of seethe right before going on the internet
>Managing to make a positive impact despite your best efforts by making an ass of yourself and serving as an example to other pseuds wanting to play grammar Nazi
You're so obviously correcting some phone posting piece of shit who got autocorrected that your decision to dive in anyway says a lot about your mental state. It happens to everyone, like when I was in middle school I started being a dick to the guy who had just made out with my crush. Really embarrassing. You'll feel better after you dilate, bro

Are dragons inherently evil or just naturally impulsed to roll around in gold?

The bigger plot hole is why didn't the hundreds of uruks and goblins from moria just wait for Aragorn and co to catch up and fucking kill them? They had the perfect opportunity to do it before they tried getting to isengard

ASS TO

If the purpose of the ring was to bind the wearers of the lesser rings, how come Sauron was able to control the Nazgul without it, and how come Frodo wasn't?

I wouldn't call them inherently evil, but they consider themselves superior to all other life, and are possessed of an immense greed beyond even the most fervent dwarf. Combine this with their immense intelligence and power and you can see how they are, more or less, a menace.

Consider the lesser rings a conduit for Sauron's power. The Nazgul had long ago completely surrendered themselves, so he no longer needed the rings to control them. Frodo couldn't control them using the ring because he's not Sauron, the conduit isn't meant for him.

Important question: if Sauron got the ring back and started fucking the middle earth in the ass, what would have happened with this faggot? Even if they had gone with the lost forever plan for the ring and Sauron conquered the ME through gorillions of orcs

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>Are dragons inherently evil
I'd say yes. They were all bred by and served Melkor

It was said that Bombadil would probably be the last holdout - the last thing living in Middle Earth not under Sauron's power.

The nature of Tom is that within his realm, he is absolute. Sauron would corrupt the entire world but Bombadil's forest would be untouchable for him. However, Bombadil would not act against Sauron because that's not his nature.

And as Bombadil is a kind of living spirit of all nature, he may find his realm reduced over long ages of time as the land around him becomes barren.

It's essentially an unstoppable force vs an immovable object, but I've always believed that - even if it took 100,000 years - Bombadil would eventually lose this battle of attrition (while never being aware it was even occurring, or caring)

Wouldn’t everyone that was good and survived and knew about Bombadil’s existanxe fun into his forest?

Tolkien was once asked if he thought Sauron had won in our world
He said no, no, but Saruman is doing quite well for himself

Maybe, but their presence would only serve to hasten its decay most likely
And I think the amount of people who not only knew of Bombadil's existence, but his location, was like 10 at best

The films totally get it across
His armies fight three massive fuckoff battles less than a few weeks apart and outnumber the heroes by at least 3 to 1 every time.
That force that Aragorn takes to the black gate is the last of their fit and healthy soldiers, and they’re absolutely swamped by his hordes. Plus Orcs don’t take as long to reproduce... they were completely fucked without Frodo.

I think you have to actually have autism to not see this, it’s very clear in the movie.

Please explain to me brainlet the symbolism of this.

It has to do with how Saruman actually survived in the books, and went on to do the "Scouring of the Shire"

he basically became a petty little warlord and all he could manage to do was take over the Shire and turn it into an industrialized shit-hole, spoiling its nature and beauty

Tolkien is basically just saying that there is no ultimate evil controlling everything in our world, but you still have plenty of shitty industrialists (whom he personally hated ever since his childhood home was modernized) making money and getting along just fine

Tolkien was very much a Luddite, and hated anything as simple as putting a paved road where there was once a field

Why is lotr so comfy?

also even at the height of his power Saruman is depicted as callously ravaging the countryside

Ring has it's own will. It would eventually be picked up, like before, no matter how long it took, and used to bring Sauron back to power

1. the ring has a will of its own, and will use animals or nature to fufill its will. this means it can never be truly lost or hidden
2. sauron was already winning the war. given time he would've eventually steamrolled middle earth.

Do NOT fuck with ülmo

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First couple dozen pages are names and creation, then celestial wars, then formation of middle earth, then elf fuckery, then elf and human wars, then more elf fuckery and some lore. All about how one fagggoty elf bastard couldn't possibly go without some fresh jewels to match his belt.

>Ar-Pharazôn would like to know your location

God I wish he had written more.

Essentially it was discussed at some point that they could have just let the ring sink to the bottom of the Ocean or hide it far away. Problem is, Sauron wouldn't really be defeated properly without the ring being destroyed fully, and he would just send endless legions of Orcs to rape and kill the shit out of everything and those robe niggas would eventually find it... Even if it took them years.

How would you feel if all the hobbits in the shire got raped in the ass by a million orcs and goblins?

Ulmo is not evil, or a monster, if anything, the presence of Ulmo (and Osse) in the sea is an argument against the existence of any real sea monsters

Same

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Friendly reminder Feanor did everything wrong and ruined everything

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Really makes you think

No one's talking about the ocean mate! Anyway is a carp going to fit the ring on his flaps? No!

Drop it in a barren mountain cave or shoot it into space.

That is what happened several times for thousands of years. the problem is that Sauron is immortal and can simply wait.

But humans and elves bish bash boshed him last time he was in physical form.

He's a half elf so he's a chad but not a super chad. His herald, Glorfindel, was a bigger chad than him.

Then you can't also say how dangerous it would be the put it in the ocean or hold it, if being owned by proper agents would be bad for sauron.

Would have been a better movie definitely.

No, but they make you think they do.

Humans ain't no Numenorians anymore

Bro he's dead bro

he gets power over the elves rings as well, which means that their magical defenses become useless.
not that it need it to happen, eventually he is going to push their shit in regardless, but still, the ring is a part of him. it's only natural that he would want it back.
also, most importantly of all, if he gets the ring back that means the good guys loose the only mean they have to defeat him.

it is worth reading, but not as a streamlined narrative, although episodes of it work wonderfully as self contained tales

without aragorns reformed tax policies in place gondor would have broken down into a great depression making the adventure nessecary for him to gain the throne

Best fanbase

Eventually the ring would have found its way back to Sauron. No matter where it was.

But why didn’t the eagles just fly the ring to Mordor?

Why didn’t they lock the ring in a special box and then destroy the key, then carry the box to Mordor? That way no one would be tempted to wear it on the journey? They could have just thrown the whole box into the fires of mt doom

they were already into mordor. not sure if that would have worked at the gates.
anyway the plan was always about sneaking into mordor. they just were not sure how to pull that off.

I don't think it would be that interesting

catch up with what? I don't get it

it's a rough translation. the literally translation in elvish is 'sucking dick' but was translated to breakfast to avoid misunderstandings with the other races

He meant Sauron as a literal big eye. We know the visual existed beforehand.

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Sauron has the ring when Elendil and Gil’Galad defeated him. Fingolfin would dunk all over Sauron, ring or no ring, if he was angry enough.

That's just the actors. I remember both Elrond and Arwen being described in the books as looking both young and old with wisdom. Most Elves probably look thirty at most.

>obvious bait thread
>200+ serious replies

The ring finds its way back by corrupting the minds of people and making them make dumb decisions which eventually lead to their downfall. The news of someone acting out of the ordinary will eventually reach Sauron and he will send people in that general direction to scout for the ring.

Not trying to turn this into a powerlevels argument, but Sauron was still weak as fuck after losing his body in Numenor, he just rushed in like a dumbass against three enemies at once. Same way Melkor JUST'd himself over and over and ended up defeated by a super Elf like Fingolfin or half Maia like Luthien despite previously being the strongest Vala.

I don’t have the books on me, but I could have sworn the comparison was metaphorical, that is Sauron was greater because he wasn’t a dumb ass and spilled all his power away. But that at no point did Sauron surpass Morgoth in might.

Hes gunna wear a gaunlet over the ring this time

Sauce please mister Frodo

actually a good question user
i guess they trusted the fellowship (and the original plan didn't involve them breaking up and just s&f actually going to mordor) to keep each other in check

well, if the bait is to get people talking about lotr lore...
not sure why it keeps happening on Yea Forums though, but then Yea Forums doesn't like tolkien, even the fantasy threads

Balrog is brilliant, Sauron decent given the time constraints.

Sauron still physically has their rings, so they’re his slaves even without the One. It’s directly addressed in a letter Tolkien wrote regarding a what if Frodo had kept the ring after he claimed (ie if Gollum didn’t get it and an hero).

That’s a fair point. But given the general theme of old shit > new shit in Tolkien’s work, I still believe that the great figures like Fingolfin, Turin, Ecthelion, and Earendil could probably over come Sauron in a feat of arms (or fly a boat into him). Sauron’s greatest strength was always his ability to manipulate others, not throw down.

I'm looking for some stuff through Tolkien's Letters and I realised how lucky we are to have gotten all his manuscripts and stuff. Imagine Tolkien answering one of your letters in the '50s and cockteasing you about The Silmarillion.

y'all comparing first age characters to third age ones, when a better question is who would win in an Olorin vs Sauron 1v1

Off topic threads are always the best, whereas on topics threads are always a shit show of memes and contrarianism. Yea Forums has the best LotR threads because it’s a bunch of bookfriends happily sharing lore with moviefriends. You go to Yea Forums and half the responses would be contrarian bullshit

should have used it as a cock ring

Probably Sauron, especially with the ring, but it’s hard to say for sure. Both of their might lies in other areas (Wisdom with Olrion, manipulation and technology with Sauron). My general impression is that few Maiar could challenge Sauron with the ring. I have no doubt that Eonwe could do it, but I’m less sure about any of the rest.

>Sauron’s greatest strength was always his ability to manipulate others, not throw down.
Exactly. Sauron was ridiculously bad at picking his physical battles.

>undefeatable dog of destiny
>the strongest Elf/Man/Peredhel on M-e at once

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The ring still affect people in the vicinity, including the one holding the box. Chances are that someone would pry open the box at some point.

what is this experimental russian silmarillion?

Distant cousin of the Soviet Hobbit.

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thumbnail in OP looked like two asses sharing an anal dildo, i need to stop

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they LITERALLY answer this question in the books

Thought it was two asses and a double ended dildo for a moment.

tolkien's world is weirdly sexless desu; especially given how the evil operates in it(through temptation and corruption), and the christian/biblical parallels, it's strange that never at any point has there been an adam-and-eve type situation or the enemy trying to corrupt a human through lust

tolkien was a published asexual.

thumbnail looks like ass2ass

why so many people se an ass to ass in the thumbnail? is the cumbrain meme real?

coombromind

>Is the cumbrain meme real
Yes it is

Why didn't Sauron turn off the lava forge when he was done crafting the Ring?

aragorn isn't exactly human lol

>getting b8ed this hard

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Excuse me bigot are you implying our savior jk Rawlings was just an unoriginal hack who ripped off of real literary masterpieces

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If memory serves J.K. heavily borrowed from Russian mythology concerning rending ones soul and putting them into eggs, or something.

BELERIAND WILL EXPLODE IN FIVE MINUTES

That is very much correct. Theres also an entire lengthy point about how whenever Sauron was involved, Eru himself had to step in TWICE to sink numenor and push Gollum in the lava. While with Morgoth, apparently all he did was according to keikaku to the point where he let the Valar and elves handle him alone. Its some symbolism how the lesser but more subtle evil is more difficult to defeat than the bombastic dictators

Fingolfin would indeed wipe the floor with Sauron, ring or no ring. He nearly defeated Morgoth in single combat, Sauron's a bitch boy who lost to a guy with a broken sword.

why didnt they just manipulate the market to stifle mordors economy and thus make it impossible to fund all the restaurants feeding the orc arm?

that's actually very interesting. I never even realized that. upboated.

>I was just pretending to be retarded lolololo
cringe

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>their world

Im gonna be an even bigger faggot and quote TNG, villains who twirl their mustasches are easy to recognize, those who hide their true intentions in good deeds are more difficult to spot.
Relevant, since all Sauron wanted was "order"

Will we ever get a better film trilogy than lotr?

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Yes

no I meant I never realized that eru actually intervened two times to stop sauron and never to stop melko

oh man I'm hyped. what is it going to be?

Could Sauron have defeated the army of the dead?

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he was a necromancer. he probably had some tricks up his sleeve

The question is: why didn't Sauron put some guards in the entrance of the only fucking place where the ring could be destroyed?

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>tfw he never properly finished the fall of gondolin.

it's going to be a surprise.

Probably, because they couldn't actually do much. They're just dead humans or some shit, he's the most powerful Maia

t. redditor
you'll never fit in

he never even entertained the thought that someone would try to destroy it
and he was right in that. both isildur and frodo could not bring themselves to finish the job and were corrupted by it
the jazz/lotr pasta says it all

The ring would have found a way to resurface. Like tempted a fish to eat it, then get caught by a fisherman or something.

The witch king was responsible for the Barrow-wights at the Barrow-downs. So is probably right.

>nobody is immune to it
Tom Bombadil exists