>The immortals are descendants from Cain, the "original killer", who lost his soul by murdering his brother Abel, thus becoming immortal. His bloodline is cursed, so the immortals' mothers all die at childbirth, and they can't have children of their own. Like in the original, they are out to kill each other to reclaim a mysterious "prize", and can only be killed by complete decapitation at the hands of another immortal. When one immortal dies, not only does his share of the power is divided between the remaining immortals, but his memories and skills are assimilated by the immortal who killed him.
>MacLeod is still the main character. His clan believes him to be the "Devil's child" and treats him as a slave. He is attacked by another immortal as a kid and rescued by Ramirez, who is one of the oldest immortals, but decided to walk away from "the game" after an entire village was killed in the crossfire between him and the Kurgan, Cain's firstborn and the deadliest warrior in the world. The sole survivor of the massacre was Heather Allan, whom Ramirez has taken in. Ramirez takes MacLeod in as well and teaches him to fight. MacLeod and Heather fall in love, and it becomes clear MacLeod is "special".
>The Kurgan tracks them down, rapes and kills Heather and kills Ramirez. MacLeod manages to wound him before they are separated by an explosion. The Kurgan reclaims Ramirez's memories and becomes hellbent on killing MacLeod for wounding him. This version of the views humans as inferior and enjoys tormenting them. He chases MacLeod across the world, and is the responsible for several unsolved murders in history like Jack the Ripper and the Black Dhalia.
>On present day, MacLeod is living in New York City as antiques dealer David Nash. He refuses to participate of "the game", and has only killed a handful of immortals in self-defense. He also avoids personal relationships, but maintains a close friendship with Simon Dembe, whom he met as a young orphan and is now an old man. Simon is the only one who knows MacLeod is an immortal.
>The Kurgan lures the remaining three immortals there for the final battle, and frames MacLeod for the murder of one of them, attracting the attention of NYPD Detective Brenda Rodriguez. MacLeod manages to prove his innocence, but Rodriguez senses he's hiding something and keeps close. Eventually, they fall in love.
>MacLeod and the Kurgan each kill one of the remaining immortals, leaving only the two of them for the final battle. MacLeod considers disappearing again, but decides to fight after the Kurgan kills Simon and kidnaps Brenda. MacLeod and the Kurgan have a big battle in a rooftop, with the Kurgan having the upper hand due to the many immortals he assimilated. Brenda manages to escape and wound the Kurgan, who mortally injures her. MacLeod rages against the Kurgan, manages to defeat him, and decapitates the Kurgan.
>MacLeod tends to Brenda as she dies. As the last immortal, he wins the "prize": A soul, with which he can reproduce, grow old, and die as a man. But MacLeod rejects the gift and passes it on to Brenda, healing her injuries and reviving her. MacLeod remains immortal, cursed to die alone, but can live in peace now that the Kurgan is dead. MacLeod prepares to leave, and Brenda decides to join him. She knows he will outlive her, but is ready to spend every day until then by his side. They return to Scotland together.
So it's the same as the first movie with the Cain stuff added? I don't see them doing better than the original.
Joseph Nguyen
>immortals' mothers all die at childbirth, and they can't have children of their own
I've never seen the original, how does this work? How is a new immortal born from the bloodline if they explicitly can't have children? And if they can't have children, how was MacLeod a child a few hundred years ago in Scotland while there are other immortals much older than him (Kurgan being thousands of years old, much older than the country of Scotland itself)? Why weren't there any more born like he was, leaving him as the last?
Benjamin Peterson
Who can they get to top the soundtrack that Queen made? Could Trent Reznor do better?
So...it’s 90% the same plot but without the Queen soundtrack, Sean Connery, Christopher Lambert, Clancy Brown, practical special effects, and 80’s cheese?
Evan Myers
They should have Pagan lore.
This Jewish plotline is dumb. This means that all the immortals are family. The prize is also stupid. Instead of fighting, why don't the immortals just realize that the prize is immortality. They're fighting and killing each other just to die in 30-40 years.
Jack Flores
If they used a Pagan backstory instead of the Jewish one, they could have just said that the immortals are demigods and have their mothers live.
Ryan Mitchell
Not every one in the bloodline is immortal. Just sometimes the gene gets activated, in which case dead mom and it ends there. But the other branches continue.
Andrew Evans
One od the rare instances where you can reboot a decent movie and have the remake be decent as well. But we'll see. I'm desperate for Highlander content so I'd take anything at this point.
Noah Bennett
Then after the prize is won, wouldn't there just be more immortals born?
Carter Wood
How many niggers are going to be forced into the diversity quota?
Luis Morgan
IDK. Having this be scientific based instead of magical doesn't seem like a good idea.
Christian Taylor
The original doesn't make everything clear, though it does state that they can't have children (this changes for Connor once he wins the prize). Seemingly immortals are born around the world at random points throughout history, are drawn to each other, and age normally until the point a normal person would have died (Connor is mortally wounded during his first battle then doesn't age after that, whereas Ramirez looks much older and has been around for longer). Most things are just left unanswered.
Bentley Myers
>the mothers dies in childbirth and they can't have children of their own
I'd assume the energy gets dispersed and goes to the nearest immortal, or it goes to you and kills you in the process. But a regular human killing an immortal is almost like one killing a Jedi, so it's unlikely to happen.
Jacob Martinez
>This means that all the immortals are family. it means they are cursed to hunt and kill or be killed themselves by their "brother" makes total sense >why don't the immortals just realize that the prize is immortality. the prize could be anything and as long as there are people willing to kill for the opportunity of some supernatural boon or power you will never be safe. >They're fighting and killing each other just to die in 30-40 years. im guessing immortality kinda sucks though
Cameron Evans
>immortals are descendants of Cain >immortals can't have kids So is Cain still alive and roaming the world having more kids?
Noah Bailey
that would be my guess. the guy can't die after all.
Jordan Harris
>The immortals are descendants from Cain, the "original killer", who lost his soul by murdering his brother Abel, thus becoming immortal. Literally Vampire: The Masquerade.
>immortals mothers' die at childbirth >can't have children of their own Then how do you get more Immortals? is a really dumb answer for something that doesn't need to be answered.
>MacLeod remains immortal, cursed to die alone ayy lmao what
Nathaniel Edwards
Cain is immortal too but can have children who kill the mother and can't have children of their own. Cain keeps having kids creating more immortals until one of them kills Cain.
Asher Mitchell
What if a highlander clones himself? What if a highlander gets fed after midnight?
Camden Walker
Would a immortal have been able to have children prior to his first death though while he was still aging normally?
Caleb Ortiz
Wasn't the whole immortality legend built on Longinus, the Roman who speared Jesus on the cross?
Colton Morales
Won't be the same without Clancy Brown or Sean Connery
Owen Bell
>cursed to die alone maybe he will die in millions of years when the sun swells up and engulfs the earth?
Jackson Sanchez
That would work, I guess. Highlander could use a good reboot, but so much of the original's charm was the actors, special effects and certainly the soundtrack. I hope this gets made, and I'm pleasantly surprised.
I can feel the SOULLESS already. Can't wait to see Sam Worthington cast as MacLeod.
Brody Gomez
Oh shit I loved the show in jr. High. Thanks.
Isaiah Brooks
it's a bad idea from the get go but it's been in development since forever and sunken cost fallacy dictates we must now suffer through it.
>In the final shooting draft of theHighlander II: The Quickeningscreenplay, it was revealed that the Kurgan was in fact originally sent from the planet Zeist to Earth byGeneral Katanain order to hunt downConnor MacLeodandRamirezbefore either of them could win "The Prize," and therefore return to Zeist. The scene was scheduled for filming, and actorClancy Brownhas discussed how he was contacted by the film's producers to make an appearance:
>They sent me, like, the first 10 pages of it, and I said, "What the F... What is this? Give me the rest of the script?" And they said, "Well, we want your commitment before we give you the rest of the script." And they said, "Well, we're just gonna pay you the same." And I said, "Nah, see you later. [Laughs] I'm not gonna do this. First of all, this makes no sense. Second of all, you're not gonna pay me anything. So there's no reason for me to do this at all!" So then Christopher [Lambert] calls me up and says, "Oh, you've got to do this with us! You've got to do this with us!" I said, "Chris, it'shorrible.The idea is terrible, what I read was awful..." And he says, "I helped write that." [Laughs] I'm, like, "Well, I guess I'm never gonna be doing any moreHighlanders!" He’s a great guy and I love him to death, but it was doomed from the beginning. If I wasn't getting paid... I will do shit for money. But I'm not gonna do shit for no money. I'll doqualityfor no money. So if it had been any good, maybe. But it was no good from the get-go.[4]
The Immortals were never given a backstory, they just were. Sequels don't mean shit. And you're thinking of the Wandering Jew anyway, Longinus' spear became a relic.
Thomas Brooks
That's why it was retconned pretty hard in Highlander II.
Jason Jones
Into something even more fucking stupid. The Prize was life and enlightenment, it was never given a succinct description, McLeod got to live like a human but also gained insight into humanity, knowing what men felt and thought.
Henry Reed
Are Tom Hardy and Dave Bautista still McLeod and Kurgan?
Carson Cruz
Highlander was already a pretty ridiculous premise, but it really only worked in the pre internet age. With literally every person in the modern world carrying around a smartphone it would be impossible for immortals to remain anonymous for long.
Kevin Wood
It’s nyc lol
Isaiah Kelly
>Cain is immortal too Wouldn't that mean that he too can kill all other immortals and get soul himself? Then why would he keep having kids? Nigga, just have one kid and behead him, and there's your prize
Bentley Hill
All its take is one cheeky fucker like Bruce Payne in that one movie >gang of immortals that just swarm other immortals >if all else fails shoot em really good or drug em then behead em
Tyler Price
there were black immortals in the original movies as well, user. McLeod meets with one in Central Park. And I don't see why there couldn't be desu. It's one of the stories where blacks would make sense
Asher Wood
>kill your brother >become immortal as a "punishment" How does this make sense? Becoming immortal is like the ultimate reward
Chase Perez
NYC isn’t appropriate for it anymore either. Heavily armed cops are all over the city, crime is not even a fraction of what it was in the 70’s and early 80’s. The city is a tourist and family friendly shopping center with pampered liberal college kids getting Frappuccinos and avocado toast between IPA craft beer tastings. I guess you could move the film to Chicago or Detroit?
Thomas Jenkins
why remake a perfect movie
Luis Baker
Cause it's a fun concept to explore.
Henry Ortiz
>identical to first movie but instantly destroys all the mystery with some retarded writer’s headcanon about the immortals, change the ending in a just shitty enough way to justify endless sequels
Literally what is the fucking point? The first Highlander is pretty much a perfect movie with a definitive ending. If you can ignore the sequels it still stands up as an excellent, imaginative piece of filmmaking by a first-time director.
Hudson Martin
Hollywood doesn't have any original ideas user.
Julian James
sorry user but there's money to be had and highlander is a recognized franchise with a built in fan base
Ethan Adams
>and is the responsible for several unsolved murders in history like Jack the Ripper and the Black Dhalia. It better be that he killed them to stop more immortals being born to rival him, because he fucked them. Hell, make it seem like he's the killer but then it turns out there's a group of immortals out there just making sure the Kurgan isn't spawning more immortals, because as the first-born he's one of the few who can have kids.
Simply make it so that only Cain's SONS become immortal, the sins of the father yadda yadda. Whenever an immortal has a daughter she's a regular human but if she ever has a son she dies in childbirth and the son is an immortal, always born a kinslayer. Make it so the daughters have a much higher chance of having daughters to give them some more security to get a generation or two down the line before popping out another immortal.
Kayden Powell
Yeah they explored it in Highlander 2 and it was shit. All the mysterious shit is what made it fun.
Adam Jenkins
>Seemingly immortals are born around the world at random points throughout history >tfw you lucked out being born an immortal in 2010 and simply used a rocket launcher to blow Kurgan away heh, so much for your killstreak, noob. gg
Julian Collins
But das misogynist
Caleb James
>The Prize is for Cain to show up and tell you he's proud of you, son
If theres no mention of the word 'Zeist' it's already better than the first sequel.
Nathan Rivera
I think for the final conflict it’s implied in the original that the immortals are converging on NYC because it’s the centre of the world in the 80’s. Today a more appropriate venue would probably be London, Tokyo or Hong Kong.
Easton Moore
The original is too perfect a confluence of talents, Mulcahy was a music video director so he had an eye for dynamic, interesting visuals, Christopher Lambert had his own weird charisma while Clancy Brown had strong presence and personality, the soundtrack with Michael Kamen supplemented the fantastic songs by Queen (who legitimately loved the concept of the movie). You just can't recapture it's look and feel. It's a very distilled essence. Very Romantic. Not looking forward to this studio-constructed reboot riding on brand recognition.
Colton Collins
>Would a immortal have been able to have children prior to his first death though while he was still aging normally? That was answered in the OG Highlander Series and its spinoff films, the answer seems to be yes. As was mentioned, you can have the potential to be Immortal, but so long as you do not suffer a violent death, it remains unrealized. So seemingly you could have children, then die violently, and become immortal.
Austin Turner
Energy gets dispersed, IIRC
Nathan Young
Fucking agreed good dude and/or/ lady. 2nd film blew Donkeys. Like the Mario Movie, we just wanna forget.
Jayden Barnes
I am Connor Mclan of the Clan Mcloud!
Kevin Ward
i think the show said the quickening seeks out the closest immortal, so you could just be sitting in a donut shop and suddenly everything kersplodes
Jose Jones
If you're now born an immortal then how the fuck are you even going to know that something's weird before the Kurgan shows up to curbstomp you? Connor knew something was strange because he should have died in that battle. His whole family knew something was up and kicked him out. You had even chance of dying in childbirth throughout most of history, so not even the part where you kill your mother would make you stand out or make you hated or shunned. You'd entirely have to rely on a benevolent immortal sensing your presence and telling you about your immortality and the game, instead of simply beheading their rival before they're even hit puberty.
Previously you died a violent death before becoming one, like a test-run. Every immortal was born out of battle and so naturally they're a combative lot. Now you might live for a hundred years as a peaceful shepherd, having absolutely no idea why the fuck you're not ageing and chalking it up to God's benevolence, and then some faggot shows up and beheads you before you know what's going on.
Joseph Sullivan
>people itt think anything but the first film is canon or even matters at all
it merged with the movie series in like 2001 with a god awful b-movie that somehow made it to theatres with BOTH lambert and paul
it ran like a 2-part tv show and my golly it was bad
Christopher Cox
Was it Endgame? The one that had Donnie Yen playing a minion?
Christopher Garcia
Clancy Brown is amazing. And honest at least.
> If I wasn't getting paid... I will do shit for money. But I'm not gonna do shit for no money. I'll do quality for no money. So if it had been any good, maybe. But it was no good from the get-go
Lucas Powell
Nah. Highlander is an interesting, but flawed movie. Not excellent, though actors and flashbacks are great all the way. That said, this script is awful with its additions.
Julian Campbell
>and is the responsible for several unsolved murders in history like Jack the Ripper and the Black Dhalia.
I'm out
Aaron Edwards
>His bloodline is cursed, so the immortals' mothers all die at childbirth, and they can't have children of their own. how the fuck does the bloodline keep going then?
Adrian Thompson
cain =/= his own children
Aiden Collins
>first muderhobo >gains superpowers Based Ol'G
Justin Ward
>age normally until the point a normal person would have died >bunch of geriatric immortals Not cool.
Kevin Young
Talk about a movie made by the stars.
Anyways, sometimes, leaving things unexplained is the better option.
Adam Lewis
>london lolno >tokyo also no >Hong Kong When Shenzen and a dozen other mainland cities exist?
David Green
It could be good, but I'm staunchly against remakes.
David Richardson
>mothers all die at childbirth, and they can't have children of their own so then how didnt they go extinct? into the trash it goes
Logan Hall
>With literally every person in the modern world carrying around a smartphone it would be impossible for immortals to remain anonymous for long. wrong. And only relevant for the ones that thrust themselves into social media. Remember, almost all of these guys are centuries old. Living off the land is nothing to them.
Gavin Richardson
so its pretty dumb way to set up a franchise if all the immortals are dead then how can there be a sequel?
Alexander Reyes
>implying Shenzhen and Beijing are anything other than giant anthills
Zero international influence. London, Tokyo and Hong Kong are the current cultural capitals of the world.
Highlander is a perfect confluence of talents with great pacing and direction.
Brandon Cooper
>rebooting a documentary for what purpose
Jeremiah Brooks
Original Higlander is based on JOhnarter and the PHoenician. They are a type Martians living on . There is a nod to this in Highlander 2. They get amnesia for some reason every once in a while (possibly due to differnces between Earth and Mars) or just statistical probability over time of getting a head injury. They can't have children due to differences in the atmosphere and gravity between earth and Mars.
Jaxson Allen
Brainlet.
Brandon Sullivan
*ahem* *ting* *ting*
Jason Diaz
What a based explanation by Brown. If you're reading this thread Clancy, we appreciate the condor.
Nathan Ward
>I guess you could move the film to Chicago or Detroit? Tel Aviv or Jerusalem would be good, imho.
