Was Star Wars ever good?

Yes. On a technical level it blew people's minds. Sound design, music, effects, Darth Vader, X-Wings, lightsabers. And it had your attention from the beginning by just cutting to STAR WARS instead of some extended titles sequence.

>Luke doesn't even look sad in the slightest when he finds out his parental figures were just burned to fucking crisps
Are you fucking retarded? He legit got scared when he realized that they Empire would go looking to their house. And when he finally got home after rushing over the he choked up and turned his head when he saw their remains. How much more do you want faggot?
>And Han acts like a retard the whole movie,
In what way? He's a cocky, money hungry rogue. Give some examples.
>Leia is just an unlikable brat.
She's your typical tough exterior but nice inside chick. What's the fucking problem?
>They spend half the movie just dicking around on Tatooine in which almost nothing happens.
It's less than half. And this is what happens:
>Luke meets the droids
>Luke meets Han
>Luke finds out about his Jedi heritage from Ben Kenobi
>Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru are killed
>the great escape from Mos Eisley scene
You're a fucking retard.
> but then they're suddenly thrown into the Battle of Yavin which is only like 15 minutes long and yet it's the most important part of the movie.
Here's the answer. You're a zoomer faggot that just wants stupid spaceship fights.

All Of your criticisms, except one, are inaccurate. the jump to being i the battle in yavin is a little odd. Luke looked pretty fucked up seeing his crispy family.

I just watched this last night, and still think it is pretty good.

Ep 5 isn't a bad film to me personally as the film has much better pacing, acting, and a more cohesive plot when compared to EP 4. Vader is a legitimate threat,despite constantly killing his own commanders, and he ruthlessly hunts the main cast the entire film. The rebel alliance are on the run and face constant deaths due to Vader not being held back anymore by Tarkin. Luke becomes more central character as his heroes journey advances. His travel to Dagobah and training with Yoda to learn the esoteric Jedi arts was handled well.The father reveal and the revelation that he's been lied to and manipulated by the Jedi was one of the greatest parts of the entire saga. I only really disliked the romance subplot with Han/Leia as its not important to the movie as a whole and the dialogue is worse than Anakin's in AoTC. Anakin might be awkard but he had the excuse of intentionally being written that way by Lucas to show he had no control of his feelings towards Padme. Anakin's romance also results in the birth of Luke/Leia and is his main motivation for becoming Vader so its more plot relevant.

Most of the things I disliked in the OT were in EP 4 with a few scenes in EP 6, such as the "elite" stormtroopers being killed by teddy bears and Han Solo character being turned into a buffoon.

You're not appreciating what's the in front of you. The cinematography, the pacing, the music, the attention to detail - there's a million reasons why this movie is a masterpiece. Yes it's mainstream and not HIGH ART, but it is a beautifully constructed film.

If you're used to a diet of post-2010 films you've probably just become used to what is the cinematic equivalent of junk food, and now you can't appreciate quality food when you taste it.

the only way that ANH is watchable is if you watch it with good actors redubbing the movie.

Like in the soviet dub. Makes it fucking kino.

youtube.com/watch?v=K9j8hgi0H-M

>the jump to being i the battle in yavin is a little odd.
Why is it odd? The entire operation was to get the plans in R2 to the rebel base that Leia wouldn't give up to the location to. The Empire lets them escape with a homing beacon on their ship and follow them to Yavin. The rebels study the plans, find a weak point and attack.
What's the fucking problem?
> still think it is pretty good.
Name a better scifi movie faggot.

ITT: stupid zoomers that watch 45 second tiktok vids and don't the patience for real Star Wars kino like the OT.

Star Wars value was always in the world building. The Star Wars universe that Lucas built is the thing that captures people's imagination. The expanded universe is full of excellent games, comics, and stories. Another way to say it is 'Star Wars is greater than the sum of it's parts'. The sequels are so terrible because they add absolutely nothing to that universe and they even ruin many parts of it.

>In what way? He's a cocky, money hungry rogue. Give some examples.
Working for one of the most dangerous crime lords in the galaxy, Han is supposed to be intelligent and always on his guard, always looking out for himself. This is handled well with his encounter with Greedo, but is thrown out the window when Luke convinces him to rescue Leia. It's just flat out stupid, infiltrating the Death Star would lead to almost certain death.
>"She's rich!"
There's not even anything to indicate that Luke's words here are true, but for some reason Han buys it. He just goes into it recklessly for the sake of plot, after being convinced with a 10 second conversation.

That's his character.

I do agree the idea of them running around on the Death Star and surviving is hard to believe, but we find out later that the empire let them escape so they would lead them back to the rebel base.

I would argue its because Han thinks Luke is a naive bumpkin who wouldnt really lie, and considering they are already on the Deathstar, he feels that the risk of Luke getting caught if he doesnt help him is too great. He also has a debt to Jabba he needs to payoff so the money signifies literal life to him.

>Name a better scifi movie faggot
Metropolis. 2001. A Clockwork Orange. Back To The Future. ET. The Thing. The Empire Strikes Back. Solaris. Stalker. Alien. Blade Runner. Terminator 2. The Matrix.

True fans of star wars - hate the movies.
They hate the tv shows.
The books, they hate.
They hate the games, the comics, the toys, the music, and the radio shows.
They fucking despise George Lucas, the Mouse, Lucasfilm, ILM, and probably Akira Kurosawa.

But they think the Star Wars universe is neat.

>but is thrown out the window when Luke convinces him to rescue Leia. It's just flat out stupid
Wrong. Han already has a huge bounty on his head and killed one of Jabbas guys. If he didn't get that money he was a dead man. He also bragged about how he's outsmarted the Empire before and how he and Chewie got out of tough spots before. And the plan was sound. Find Leia and escape because Obi Wan will disable the tractor beam.
>There's not even anything to indicate that Luke's words here are true,
She's a princess. Royalty has money, dummy, Even in a galaxy far, far away.

Boy, I can’t wait for the contrarian position that the sequel trilogy is the best

>but we find out later that the empire let them escape so they would lead them back to the rebel base.
So why did you say this first?:
"I do agree the idea of them running around on the Death Star and surviving is hard to believe"

They were able to grab Leia because they had the Stormtrooper costumes, but once the shootouts started there was no way they could escape. The Empire played their hand wisely and let them escape.

>Metropolis
Maybe
>2001
Yeah ok
>A Clockwork Orange
Not really comparable to Star Wars, mate
>Back To The Future
No
>ET
No
>The Thing
No
>The Empire Strikes Back
Sure
>Solaris
Maybe, haven't seen it
>Stalker
Yeah it's well done but come on it's boring
>Alien
It's about as good
>Blade Runner
No
>Terminator 2
No way, maybe T1 but even that isn't quite as good
>The Matrix
No

>I only really disliked the romance subplot with Han/Leia as its not important to the movie as a whole and the dialogue is worse than Anakin's in AoTC.

Now this is an objectively wrong opinion

>Metropolis.
No.
>2001
Visually stunning, but a bit of a slog.
>A Clockwork Orange.
Not scifi. It's a dystopian film.
>Back To The Future.
More comedy.
>ET.
Fuck outta here.
>The Thing.
Good choice. But more of a horror film.
>The Empire Strikes Back.
Obvious yes.
>Solaris
No. They were both boring.
>Stalker
Great story, average film.
>Alien
Not better than ANH, but great.
>Blade Runner.
On par.
>Terminator 2.
No, but good.
>The Matrix.
Fuck no.

Literally never gonna happen. Not even 20 years from now. These soulless movies will be forgotten like dust in the wind, just like the MCU movies that are shat out every 2 months.

Because I agree with you. The characters are pretty stupid for thinking they could escape. Leia has no choice, Luke is naive and Han is greedy for the cash.

The transition to the Battle of Yavin would seem much more natural if they still had the Biggs-joining-the-rebels subplot. But then you'd be complaining that they are dicking around on Tatooine even more...

Honestly there's probably some clever fan-editing you could do to make the pacing a bit better on Yavin, maybe some more establishing shots, make it seem like they were there a bit longer.

Dubs confirm. It's true though, there's nothing memorable about them at all. The prequels and the OT are memorable as fuck.

Han's entire character arc is finished after the very first movie. He's more of a plot device than an actual character in Empire, and in Jedi he does nothing at all.

So you admit there are several scify movies superior to an amateurish children's film. The next step is growing out of your childhood watches like Obi Wan wants you to, and eventually growing enough attention span to not call 2001 or Solaris "boring."

>So you admit there are several scify movies superior to an amateurish children's film.
I only agree with Empire Strikes Back, faggot.
> growing enough attention span to not call 2001 or Solaris "boring."
Attention span has nothing to do with finding something boring, dummy. Solaris is shit and while 2001 is beautiful and thought provoking, it really drags at parts.
The only SciFi movie I would compare to AHN is Empire Strikes Back and the Wrath of Khan.

Originally there was no Battle of Yavin. The tracking device and the Death Star following them to Yavin was added in editing and reshoots. The Rebels were supposed to attack the Death Star without it closing on their base, but the tension was too low. Changing it to defending the base from the Death Star was a big improvement, but the pacing took a hit.

So the only movies you'd call better than a children's film are other children's films? Wrath of Khan is just absolutely embarrassing. It's really hard to take you seriously when you call a movie as hypnotizing as 2001 "dragging" -- it's clear your priorities lie elsewhere, namely ships going pew pew.
And let's not even get on how you dismissed half the list that blew out your argument because they included other genres, as if somehow that made them not scify. Really, you're the first fool to try to claim Back to the Future isn't a scify movie.

Harrison Ford is charming, though. He turned Lucas’s horrible romantic schlock into adorable B movie romance.

The pacing of Star Wars is fucking excellent.

>So the only movies you'd call better than a children's film are other children's films?
Maybe if better adult scif films were made it woulnd't be a problem. You literally don't even understand Scifi because you named fucking a Clockwork Orange and Back to the Future.
>Wrath of Khan is just absolutely embarrassing.
Wow, what a shitty fucking opinion. It's only the best Trek movie and one of the best scifi films ever made.
>It's really hard to take you seriously when you call a movie as hypnotizing as 2001 "dragging" -- it's clear your priorities lie elsewhere, namely ships going pew pew.
What a pretentious opinion. Wrath of Khan barely has any action you dumb faggot. Nor does ANH for that matter.
>And let's not even get on how you dismissed half the list that blew out your argument because they included other genres, as if somehow that made them not scify.
It shows what an autistic faggot you are when you're putting a monster movie like The Thing in with Star Wars only because the monster happened to come from outer space. Is Friday the 13th scifi too because Jason defies all science and can't die?

only deranged boomers like mike stoklasa think the movie is a masterpiece

it´s clunky, outdated, boring as fuck and it legitimizes american audiences as the most retarded group ever conceived by mankind

Says the zoomer faggot that watches snapchat vids.

i don´t have snapchat

No, please, just say it again so it's on the record: "Back To The Future is not scify"?
>It's only the best Trek movie
Wow, the best out of a pile of garbage...

>most retarded group ever conceived by mankind
Aren't those Somalians?

>"Back To The Future is not scify"?
It's a comedy first and foremost. Does it have some scifi elements? Sure. Both a steak and a McDonald's burger are classified as beef, but only a fucking faggot like you doesn't know the difference.
>Wow, the best out of a pile of garbage...
So you hate Star Wars and Trek, but love Solaris. Fucking kill yourself you faggot. I bet reddit and twitter love these shit opinions. No upvotes here tho, bro.

You seem really outraged by adults not fawning over children's media. I'm sure you know a lot about what reddit likes.

Back to tik tok, zoomer

I think boomers and zoomers who rewatch it unironically can't stand NOT seeing beautiful cgi landscapes and can't appreciate stunning on location cinematography and matte paintings. Instead they say the pacing sucks when characters are in actual nature locations.

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All movies are for children. Literature is the true thinking man's hobby.

>You seem really outraged by adults not fawning over children's media.
Not all. You just have not logical reason for disliking. All the reasons in this thread are fucking retarded and have been quickly debunked. You zoomers have not concept of character motivation, arcs, plot progression, and payoff.
And if you have "children's media" so much, why do you watch and critique it (shittily I might add). Shouldn't you be on the Solars subreddit or some shit looking for reddit gold or whatever the fuck you faggots over there do?
>I'm sure you know a lot about what reddit likes.
Wow, you really turned the tables on me...

I agree.

>why do you watch and critique it
Damn you got me! Your little fallacy of hypocrisy absolves you from having to do any potential self reflection on your childish hobbies.

Well look at it this way: Prior to Star Wars, the closest there really was to the Monomyth was the book of Exodus, which has even bigger problems with pacing and characterization. Star Wars established the archetype for the modern hero story, and ironically enough, the closest that's come since is Harry Potter. The modern hero story (that is, capeshit) is Star Wars but with the spiritual significance replaced with even hokier villains and a lot more explosions.
So yeah, it's not great, because the Monomyth isn't a great story, but it's better than you're giving it credit for.

>Read Dune. A decent book.
>Realise that it came before Star Wars
>Realise Star Wars is for 1970s retards who can't read superior Sci fi

If you still like Star Wars past the age of 15 your taste in any media is certified shit.

>Your little fallacy of hypocrisy absolves you from having to do any potential self reflection on your childish hobbies.
That's not what I asked. I enjoy it and have self reflection.
You know why you won't see me on Yea Forums talking about the Backstreet Boys? Because I avoid shit I don't like. You take the reddit tactic of using shitty, illogical arguments for upvotes.

>>Realise Star Wars is for 1970s retards who can't read superior Sci fi
This is a film board, you dumb faggot.
Star Wars was never a book, but was a great movie. Dune was a great book that was never made into a decent movie or tv show.

I was actually thinking that Aquaman was pretty much the monomyth 1:1.

You do know OP hated Star Wars, right? Why did you enter a thread about something you disagree on? You don't seem to follow your own advice.

>It totally takes me out of the immersion
That picture of the fag with the pubic beard and the huge open mouth.

>Star Wars established the archetype for the modern hero story,
No it didn't. It borrowed heavily from numerous other films (Searchers, Hidden Fortress, Wizard of Oz, etc). It just took all the best elements and put a scifi twist on them.

All of this is done poorly, and the result is often boring. The entirety of the Star Wars franchise should be thrown away.

Star Wars was actually good, but unironically Empire Strikes Back should never have been made. It wasn't bad when it first came out, but in retrospect it's extremely cliche and is responsible for the wave of cash cow sequels to everything ever. Star Wars was a self-contained story that didn't need a sequel.
>villain comes back
>also he's the hero's father what a twist
>also there's actually a shadowy figure behind the villain
>ghost obi-wan guides luke to another mentor
>another death star
>ends on a cliffhanger so there has to be another sequel

>Why did you enter a thread about something you disagree on?
Because that's why threads are created, faggot. To spur interaction. OPs reasons were insane and very zoomeretarded.
>You don't seem to follow your own advice.
How so? I like shooting down the stupid opinions of stupid faggots like you.

its for 10 year old boys, they knew they didn't have to try

You said I should avoid things I dislike, but I entered a thread for people who think like me. You're the one who entered a thread that opposes you.
>Why do you critique Star Wars
>I like shooting down the stupid opinions of stupid faggots like you.
Thanks for making my case for me.

The thing that's usually missing from hero stories, the reason hero story isn't synonymous with Monomyth, is apotheosis. This is Moses on Mount Synod receiving the Law from God, or Luke turning off his targeting computer and giving himself over to the Force. This is why I brought up Harry Potter, which has the saddest little apotheosis in the last book, but there's nothing like that in The Searchers or even in The Wizard of Oz (which flirts with it a bit when they meet the Wizard).
Though I burned out on capeshit a hundred years ago, so I didn't see Aquaman. So tell me if I'm wrong.

It literally changed the face of cinema (not for the better) and pushed the technological boundaries of the medium. It is one of the most important things, not just in cinema, but in American culture.

>>villain comes back
Why wouldn't he (I assume you mean Vader)? The Empire wasn't destroyed and he survived the first film. Do you think Vader and the Empire just retired
>>also he's the hero's father what a twist
It was a shocked back then, dummy. Now it's been done to death.
>>also there's actually a shadowy figure behind the villain
You mean the Emperor? He was mentioned in ANH. Clearly Vader wasn't in charge as he was answering to Tarkin.
>>ghost obi-wan guides luke to another mentor
So? In ANH he guided him as well.
>>another death star
This wasn't in Empire you dumb faggot.
>>ends on a cliffhanger so there has to be another sequel
Again, so what? When the first one became a hit, he wanted to make a trilogy. And the cliffhanger was fucking great (good guys pretty much get their asses kicked).

>You're the one who entered a thread that opposes you.
I like arguing with people who oppose me. What aren't you getting. I didn't start a thread calling out people who hate Star Wars, I just respond to the idiocy that you throw out there.
>Thanks for making my case for me.
No upvotes here.

Why are you so obsessed with that site that you keep bringing up?
>I like arguing with people who oppose me. What aren't you getting.
You keep and keep answering your own question to me. "Why do I critique children's media that I don't like?"

They are entertaining movies and are technical achievements but they certainly are not high art and don't compare quality-wise to any of the great films of the seventies or the eighties.

>survived
See this is one of those things. He was last seen hurdling into space without a prayer. But since you didn't actually see him die they can bring him back! It's dumb.
>wasn't in Empire
Yes it was, but only the plans for it. Still you see clearly that they're just making another version of the thing that already blew up and of course you gotta wait for the next sequel to see what happens with it.
>Again, so what?
That's the point. Now every single movie needs a sequel. Like I said, Empire was not bad when it came out. It was one of the first times stuff like this was done, but now it happens all the time. And it wasn't just a sequel, when Star Wars came out it was simply titled "Star Wars", it didn't have "Episode IV" or "A New Hope". Then when Empire came out it was called "Episode V" meaning not just a sequel but three fucking prequels. All the way back in 1980 they decided to milk the everloving shit out of this franchise. That's why I said "it wasn't bad" but simply that it "should never have been made".

the first capeshit

>Why are you so obsessed with that site that you keep bringing up?
Because you keep acting like the bulk of their users.
>Why do I critique children's media that I don't like?"
Again, you're not getting it. My opinions are counterpunches. Yours are initial punches. I don't go to Yea Forums to look like a faggot and critique the Backstreet Boys like your doing here. I don't like or care about the Backstreet Boys. But for some reason you care about "children's media" enough to fight against it.

Nowadays it’s meant to be taken with the trilogy as a whole ala LoTR. In its heyday the popularity came from cutting edge special effects tied to world building without being overwhelming while mixing sci-fi with fantasy which increases in stages (that’s why tatooine is so long/slow to guide 1977 moviegoers into the world). The other two movies of the trilogy allowed themselves more liberty off of this FOUNDATION in which the actors tuned more into the characters and the world building became more fleshed out. The prequel trilogy was shameless cash grab, and the sequel trilogy is shameless SJW agenda pushing while trying to distance itself as much as possible from the originals due to new management. Taking a film without context especially one so old is just retarded.

This is the correct opinion of star wars in general. Everything else is nostalgia goggles and agenda pushing.

Fuck niggers.

theres a moment when aquaman has to retrieve the kings regalia and trident from an anceint seacreatures lair and faces it down and idk if it counts but basically says something like "i dont care about my lineage I just want to save my kingdom and ill die to do it"

bought a $30 boxset today, was thinking the same thing. still kinda fun though i guess

You seem to think I'm OP, or the first person to reply to you. I came here and saw you sperging out. Our motivations are the same.
>Because you keep acting like the bulk of their users.
You sure would know a lot about their culture, wouldn't you?

Racism is against the rules, and the prequels are the only ones worth considering seriously.

That's the reason I like the OT so much, the characters really feel like they grow over the course of the 3 films. The ST they are the same...just going through the motions.

>racism is against the rules

Ever tried reading them?

>He was last seen hurdling into space without a prayer. But since you didn't actually see him die they can bring him back! It's dumb.
Are you fucking retarded? Him not being part of the explosion clearly meant that he was going to survive. He would have gotten control of his special TIE fighter, contacted the nearest Star Destroyer, and been picked up. Christ you're stupid.
>Yes it was, but only the plans for it.
Where? Show me a screen cap. Or a time frame. This was NOT IN THE EMPIRE.
>Now every single movie needs a sequel.
Sequels existed before Star Wars, dummy. That's how Hollywood/books have always worked.
>And it wasn't just a sequel, when Star Wars came out it was simply titled "Star Wars", it didn't have "Episode IV" or "A New Hope".
That's because Lucas didn't want to confuse the audience. You can't just call a new movie "Episode IV", people wouldn't know what the fuck is going on. Are you fucking autistic?
>All the way back in 1980 they decided to milk the everloving shit out of this franchise.
So now you went from "the first sequel shouldn't have been made" to "they milked the shit out of the franchise". Those are 2 very different arguments. Empire is fucking great and should have been made. They did milk the franchise, but that's how money jews operate.

>Our motivations are the same.
No they're not. I care about the "children' media" as you call it and love ripping apart the stupid opinions of zoomers like OP and you. You are here...because?
>You sure would know a lot about their culture, wouldn't you?
Sure, I see faggots like you on here all the time.

Dangerously based

>rules
Shut the fuck up and go back to your reddit hugbox

>The prequel trilogy was shameless cash grab
Tranny detected.

What if Vader was thrown into space but could never get in touch with anyone bc of radio issues and his date became floating in space forever in a small cockpit until his resources ran out

As if that was what I was implying smug faggot. Go cry to a janny.

Fate*

Also says no troll posts so I guess you're out

>What if Vader was thrown into space but could never get in touch with anyone bc of radio issues
What if he got an infection on his fingernail and died in his ship? You sound so fucking dumb.
Clearly this didn't happen.

nostalgia goggles, they weren’t franchise killers but AoTC and RoTS were blatant toy commercials

Vader doesn't have fingernails.

>were blatant kino
Fixed that for you.

Well played. Toenails it is then.

Look at this dude.

jesus christ you're a pleb
somewhat less pleb, you show potential

Anti-ESB fag absolutely btfo

>The prequel trilogy was shameless cash grab
Pleb successfully filtered

The poor marksmanship of Storm troopers is the jarring bit . As Leia mentioned they let them escape its only reason they got away so they would lead them to yarvin. But how did that work did Dv order the ST to miss or did he mind control them , I mean there was dudes getting killed imagine being ordered to risk your life to take miss shots while your body gets his face vaporized alongside you.

A few wine aunts will reminisce about TLJ, but JJ wars will be merely shelf decoration, neither loved nor loathed like the prequels were. Because the prequels had soul, no matter how kitschy and cheesy that soul was

>The poor marksmanship of Storm troopers is the jarring bit .
That's just typical Hollywood/comics. If they had even one guy who could shoot straight the hero would never survive.
> But how did that work did Dv order the ST to miss or did he mind control them
They were ordered to miss. To make it look convincing. But Leia saw right through it.
>I mean there was dudes getting killed imagine being ordered to risk your life to take miss shots while your body gets his face vaporized alongside you.
If they didn't follow order Vader would have force choked them all anyway...

This is so ironic to read. Imagine being 20-30 years old when this movie came out fully knowing that its a flash gordon rip off from when you were a kid. This was a shitty movie made by a druggy goof ball. People wonder why mark hamill never had a career afterwards? Its because he couldn't act. Hariison ford is Han Solo and just continued to be in every movie afterwards. Star Wars was essentially a porno flick and became a cultural phenomenon. The rest is all myth to push literal garbage and toys.

Just because the cgi and green screens blew your childish mind doesn’t mean it was terrible

But CGI and greenscreens are the worst thing about them, and they're still great despite that.

Absolutely based.

>People wonder why mark hamill never had a career afterwards? Its because he couldn't act
He fucked up his face in a car accident looked it very noticable on camera. So he made a great career as a voice actor.
>Hariison ford is Han Solo and just continued to be in every movie afterwards.
?
Indiana Jones, Dr. Richard Kimble, the President in Air Force One were nothing like Han Solo.
You're a fucking retard.

>dat speaker
what were they listening to bros? ELO?

Coolest fucking job

absolutely shit opinions, I hope for your sake you are just trolling, OP

>Was Star Wars ever good?
I never saw any Star Wars shit when I was a little kid; I read books and collected baseball cards. When I was older, a neighbor bought a giant flat screen and set up a theater for the neighborhood kids and played all the Star Wars movies in the order that they were released. I thought the first one was great. The second one was OK, and I was tired of that shit by the third. I especially hated the little bear-looking fuckers. I've never seen any of the others from start to finish, but have seen enough bits and pieces of the rest to know that I don't give a shit Around the same time, The Matrix series came out, and I loved it, although it has not aged all that well, either.

Star Wars was never good until The Last Jedi

Star Wars are a kiddie show. If you're not a child anymore, they suck as harshly as Never Ending Story. Now that Disney owns the franchise, the movies are just 2 hour commercials to shill toys to children and retarded adults.

Apotheosis means "unification with the Divine," which is what Joseph Campbell considered the climax of the Monomyth. Hence why the climax of Star Wars is Luke turning off the targeting computer (and accepting that his life was, from that point forward, entirely devoted to the Force). Harry Potter's near-death experience and encounter with ghost-Dumbledore is the equivalent story beat, but is obviously not as significant.
Heroic grandstanding is basically the continued watering-down of the Monomyth climax, either because capeshit writers don't understand the structure of the Monomyth, or because they figure they need to "naturalize" the hero's journey to make it appeal to millennials and zoomers. That one could honestly go either way.

Junior college philosophy major spotted. Plus, you're failing your classes, aren't you?

This post is too patrician for Yea Forums

People always talk about Hamil's accident and facial injuries. It's true that you can see a difference in his face before and after, and he was handsomer before, but he wasn't disfigured and he didn't look like a different person entirely (arguably).

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>he wasn't disfigured and he didn't look like a different person entirely (arguably).
Admit it: he always looked like a potato. His acting was about the same as well.

The EU made Star Wars good not the shitty movies

Without the EU Star Wars is trash now sorry but is the true

He looks exactly the same with the exception of a slightly wider nose. I don't know why people bring up his accident all the time. Maybe I'm too autistic to see a dramatic change, or perhaps not autistic enough.

>The EU made Star Wars
>thinking that Star Wars was ever good.

its a kids movie

Only the prequels are good

Unironically based

phhhaaaahahahaha

It was the avatar of it's time user.
Dumb as hell action fluff for children and adolescents of all ages.

KOTOR 2 is good nigga

>Much better pacing than the OT
I'm going to have to dispute this one. TPM and AOTC drag like a motherfucker in the second act.

Yes, the prequel trilogy felt more focused and deliberate. Original trilogy was "let's just do random shit until big SPACE boom boom battle at the end!"

>KOTOR 2 is good nigga
So watch it every night while eating gummy bears while wearing your Spiderman Underoos, until your step daddy makes his nightly delivery of milk, cookies, and boner after mommy is asleep.

>Was Star Wars ever good?
Uh....fuck no

>it aged
films don't age. neither do games... when are you going to understand this you retards?

>films don't age. neither do games.
>still plays Space Invaders

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Youre just dumb its ok. Voice Acting is over acting for people who cant act. Cope harder loser. Also han dolo had a busted up face too. I know you are a homosexual, but looks are not everything for male actors.

Just watched Revenge of the Sith and it's better than anything Disney has done.

Star Wars is honestly such a strange movie. It’s this dumb mishmash of Akira Kurosawa, John Ford, Fritz Lang and Howard Hawks that should have bombed but instead somehow created the modern blockbuster blueprint.

I dunno. Rip Girls (2000) was pretty based tho

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Not trying to be a big brain, but philosophy is easy to understand and anyone who takes it as a major its getting jewed.

Just accept that Star Wars is a masterpiece created by a genius who knew where to pay homage. While it's based on many things and even lifts things wholesale (like the Flash Gordon crawl) there's really nothing else like it and its world'-building is so convincing that it truly gives people escapism.

Nigga, it lifted damn near every fucking thing from dune and old isaac issamov

Space Invaders is great, thats a bad example. You should choose something like Virtua Fighter

>Space Invaders is great

Cope

>Star Wars is the weakest film in the Star Wars series

Horrific taste. Star Wars is the complete movie, the consummate fantasy. No other film in the series stands alone, and it shows in their slap-dash story structures. And no, Empire is not the superiour film.

Where did taste go so wrong?

Based and redlightsabered

For the most part, in philosophy, the primary sources are a bitch. If it's not the presocratic fragments, then it's some German asshole like Kant or Heidegger who really likes the sound of his own pen. Though yeah, doing a philosophy undergrad is not a good idea.
As for The Hero with a Thousand Faces, it's not really a philosophy book. Campbell was an anthropologist, but I mostly only imagine English types reading it.

>a movie’s only influences were two books
clinically retarded

I want to write a sci-fi novel one day. Since all you guys are apparently sci-fi experts, what would you like to see in a sci-fi story?

Not really. I thought it was great when I was 7, but by the time I was 11-12 I just didn’t care. I don’t understand why adults love it so much. Same with Harry Potter. It’s kind of embarrassing, actually.

>Since all you guys are apparently sci-fi experts, what would you like to see in a sci-fi story?
Reverse oceans.

I bet you think tetris and pacman are bad too

The more important question is, what do you want to say?

Hmm, you're right. I'll definitely have to give that one some thought.

I get sick of Pac-Man after a while and Tetris just doesn't hold my interest anymore. Athough NES games and most arcade games are pretty good.

The OT sucks. Only the Prequels were actually good.

BASED

Imagine being this GOAT.

I will say that I understand your issues with the first Star Wars movie. The acting is garbage and the plot is absolutely shaken at best. But the movie that pushed it into cinematic greatness is the empire strikes back, which I would argue is not only one of the best movies of all time, but literally the perfect sequel. Every single aspect of the empire strikes back is necessary to its narrative complexity and there is nothing that could be changed about it.

Inb4 ur a dumb faggot and Star Wars is dumb and gay

>Literally never gonna happen

>man 20 years ago when asked about the prequels being good becoming the new contrarian position
>never going to happen

Not the, but the sequels are beyond depressing. Chances are they'll get remade in 20 years.

You act like that matters to people that hold contrarian opinions. They don't care about the merit of said opinions. They're looking to find an identity and it's very easy to do that if you just have the opposite opinions of everyone else. It make people feel cool and unique, and validates the belief that they're smarter than all of the 'sheeple.'

yes, but only in the minds of children when there was nothing better and society was less sophisticated

Astute analysis.

lost a bit of puppy fat whihc reduced the look of vitality which in turn reduced his overall looks score .... this happens to us all. luckily for me im getting better looking the older i get, chicks are much more into me now i have grey hair and better style

I think it also has to do with people hating their parents. It's no accident that people are starting to claim the prequels are good suddenly, TPM being released 20 years ago. Most of these people are probably just kids (Yea Forums is certainly filled with edgy teenagers) who are sick of hearing their parents talk about how bad the prequels were and so they move to differentiate themselves somehow.

It's easy to just take the opposite position. It might even be natural. But there's nothing credible about it.

yup classic teen rebellion .... i hate hippies cos my dad is one. i'll probably have a complete change around later in life and realise he was right or some bullshit. hopefully the late mid-life crisis will come with a hot hippie mistress

Probably valid. However, I'm early 40s and at first I loved TPM, then after a few more viewings it dawned on me that it had many problems. II was worse. III felt even worse yet and avoided that film for a decade. Now I think TPM and RotS are tied for the best of the prequels, and I now I think almost all of II is embarrassing. Oh I and I loved my dad and still love my mom.
Generally you still have a point; I'd imagine there are a lot of Zoomers who are sick of hearing HOW FUGGING GROUNDBREAKING THE ORIGINAL STAR WARS was and see an easy target with liking the prequels more than they really should.

Guess my point was that tastes can change, the prequels are much better than people think even with all their problems, and Zoomers just suck.

>wants to write a novel
>has nothing to say
wat, go back

>EP 4 is the weakest out of all the films
It's the best film. The others aren't even watchable without others. Empire relies on Hope and Jedi for setting it up and tying up all its loose ends. Jedi relies in the previous for all its buildup.

>he thinks KOTOR 2 isn't the most mature Star Wars

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>the now obligatory
DEAD WARS IS DEAD

>mature
Star Wars is by its very nature juvenile.
It has never been, and never can be, mature.

>Ep 5 isn't a bad film to me personally as the film has much better pacing, acting, and a more cohesive plot when compared to EP 4.
You're so full of shit.

Imagine being a retarded nanchild who thinks Return of the Jedi is the perfect movie.

I'll always love IV, V and VI, no matter what edgy contrarian mouth-breather faggots say.

Every other Star Wars film, TV series, comic book, novel, toy and video-game can get fucked for all I care.

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Okay but that still doesn't make them good.

Yes it does.

People that dislike the OT aren't getting into Heaven. FACT

funny i agreed with my parents when I was a teen, and the older i the more i think they were too moderate. also being a middle aged hippie is pretty cringy

PT>>>OT to me just because of the shitty Gen X fans. They’re the reason why we got what we got with the ST and they eat that shit up.

>Han and Chewie!
>The Falcon!
>X-Wings and Tie Fighters!
>Another Superweapon, Like the Death Star!!
>A desert planet, like Tatooine!
>AT-ATs walking in formation to the rebel base, like Hoth!!
>I can’t wait to take muh kids to see Episode 9 so that I can relive muh childhood!

At least PT fans care about the actual universe and world building compared to OT fans who only care about it for nostalgia and reliving their childhood.

>I can’t wait to take muh kids to see Episode 9 so that I can relive muh childhood!
Said no one ever.

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I can tell you guys have never met an actual OT fan in you life.

>Was Star Wars ever good?
considering it ruined any chance of other space opera franchise?

this movie changed everything.

31 here, similar story to you regarding the prequels. Loved them when they came out, grew to hate them and then have to come to like them again

>The books, they hate.

Except Heir to the Empire. That shit was excellent.

Star Wars was always shitty. We had shit taste as children.

Hope is the only good movie because it is a complete story. But it's still shit.

I don't want to see sci-fi tropes in a sci-fi story. Once you've decided to make it sci-fi you've failed. Think of what sort of story you want to tell then write it. If that turns out to be sci-fi then it's cool.

This post is cute! Dumb Zoomer opinions always put a smile on my face.

Why did I read all the greentext in Rich Evans's voice

I'd argue the pacing is actually really good in the original cut and is butchered in the subsequent special editions. Most people complain about the jarring 90s vfx and the 'Han shot first' shit but the pacing is fucking abysmal in the new version and it fucking ruins the first film.

OP please try to find the original cut and watch that. I think that version's pacing actually still holds up.

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You know nothing

Based

>What do you guys think about the original Star Wars?

I don't, much. Yea Forums convinced me it's not as good as I thought it was.

It's a copy of a Kurosawa film with a Dambusters bit stapled on at the end. The appeal for me was the way it made sci-fi stuff all look beat up and used, the appeal for the general public was the life-is-a-shoot-em-up with some dank sound.

Its always been shit.

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The only truly good Star Wars movie is Empire, because it has actually good pacing and pathos. Revenge of the Sith comes close but has too much bullshit in it.

>Luke doesn't even look sad in the slightest when he finds out his parental figures were just burned to fucking crisps
Is it bad acting, or is it you misreading Luke's characterisation?

Ah yes, the 'The Last Jedi' wasn't shit because Star Wars was *never* good argument.

This.

>They spend half the movie just dicking around on Tatooine in which almost nothing happens.
But that's the best part!

>philosophy is easy to understand

Lel

>anyone who takes it as a major its getting jewed

No disagreement here though.

>immersion
Pleb detected, opinion discarded

This

Blasphemy

Fuck off, george

Qrd on the changes?