Ashitaka from Princess Mononoke is a bigger mary sue than Rey, Katara and Captain Marvel combined

Wait until you realize one of the actresses was black!

Everything he made after his manga was a re-hash or stolen. He is the definition of a hack and Mononoke Hime is a prime a example of this.

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hating subs is literally the most pleb opinion there is. it's like hating b&w or anything foreign. it's basically telling everyone that you have boring and provincial taste and can't stomach anything remotely challenging or outside of your comfort zone.

i dont care about darkies, but billy bob rubs me the wrong way for some reason. i have an unreasonable hate for that guy

He was just OP. Not a Gary Stu. Everyone thought he was a freak and worthy of killing until the leper lady saw his curse as a boon and he destroyed Mononoke in a straight up fight with his machete superhuman strength versus her daggers and feral quickness.

You're an idiot, stop answering to threads, you're lowering their quality.

how tf is ashitaka a mary sue?

he's in it for like 20 minutes total seethe more
in what ways is he a mary sue?

>i dont like your opinion, stop posting before i tell on you
LMFAO at you kid

That's a female mary sue. A male mary sue needs opposition because he comes from the male fantasy of easy triumph. By the end of the movie, all of Ashitaka's enemies have either been defeated and killed, or have learned to worship him.
That'd be like if Batman never budged an inch to Joker's manipulation, and the movie ended with all of his detractors saying how wrong they were to doubt him.

>a male "mary sue" is the complete opposite of the actual definition of mary sue
yea ok bud

Because Yea Forums zoomers don't actually know what the fuck a Mary Sue is. They literally just think it's anyone who isn't a villain (Because villains are actually the good guys, you see. I am edgy and cool!)

Watch that Russian made "Snow Queen" animation it's what Miyazaki said started him down the path.
He borrows liberally from this and similar Western classics.
The Tarantino of anime features, and that wasn't a compliment.

Yeah i'm aware of this, I said stolen for a reason. Extreme respect for what he did with his manga but God Damn that man has tried his ass off to be a hack for the rest of his life.

its a kids cartoon lmao. r u gonna be mad at goku for being a mary sue too?

>Implying he hasn't already
Although, to be fair, Goku is one of the original actual Mary Sues / Gary Stus.

A definition of a mary sue is a character made to fulfill a fantasy, not tell a story. Being instantly liked by everyone is just a means to an end.

Calm the fuck down

have sex

true, but the soundtrack makes up for it
youtube.com/watch?v=GXkIQcqflfs

the character he plays is a skeezy mercenary from far away, his voice was perfect for the role

How can one thread exude the essence of bad taste?

Imagime being so butthurt about your disney flicks that you attack childrens cartoons

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to be fair, he finished the Nausicaa manga in the late 1990s, around the same time as he made Princess Mononoke, he started Studio Ghibli not long after he started the manga- but you're right it's by far his strongest work

Why did mods delete this post

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Him copying his idea before he had it on paper is the same thing really. He knew what the manga would be, and just shat out things like Castle in the Sky while doing so. If anything it's worse when viewed from that lens. That studio's best work has always been when he was not involved. I'll give him Totoro but that's it. And I would not be shocked if someone gave him the idea for it anyway.

aw fuck off

what about earthsea?

Only Yesterday>The Tale of Princess Kaguya>everything else>Castle in the sky

And FUCK Fireflys jesus fuck the most overrated animation on the God damn planet. Yes it is sad to watch a little girl die, fucking hell it is but is that an interesting plot? Are you fucking saying anything by having us watch her die? Fuck no dumb fucking cunts. War is hell, you did not need to spend god damn 90 minutes telling us that. Fuck off you hack jap shits.

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>was a re-hash or stolen.
>The Tarantino of anime features
Prove it faggots.

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I don't know if I have the energy to go through every example but Castle in the sky is literally just his manga but some names swapped and less creativity, as is almost everything else he has made. I am not saying he is not top tier, I am saying I am dissapointed he only ever told one story, several times.

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Not really. Ultimately she wins because of forces beyond her control.

>tfw we will never get a full adaptation of the manga, done properly and true to the whole story
it could be Asia's answer to Lord Of The Rings if it were done correctly

How is Spirited Away the same story as Monononononoke and the Wind Rises.

the most pleb thread on the most pleb board you guys are fucking worthless

No it would not. But it would be the greatest animation ever made.
>young traveler taken away from their assumed journey must face and interact with japanese folklore to save what they love
How is it not? And really, Mononoke is easy to remember Mon-oh-noh-keh. Easy.
Yeah but my dick is an inch bigger than yours so get fucked cunt.

Outside of a couple instances, I mostly remember Ashitaka being a semi-passive observer in the shit going down. He's just a viewpoint character for the audience.

Why do you weebs insist on thinking you're the biggest anti-establishment badasses of society?

Cuz he is an idiot. So are you. You're here posting this shit aren't you? Get a clue.

Literally who thinks Katara is a Mary Sue?

>spends first 14 years of life pushing around puddles and cleaning up childrens shit
>spends 1 month with Aang
>becomes one of the strongest benders in the world and curb stomps masters while smirking
Smart people do. She is still a retard though

She got her ass handed to her by Master Paku though, and Zuko, even when surrounded by ice and water. The first time she won was when it was the full moon, in a blizzard, against a weakened Zuko. She got her ass beat by Ty Lee as well, and Azula and Zuko on several occasions, and the Dai Li. The only fight she ever won was against a frothing at the mouth Azula at the end, who had already fought Zuko, powered by the comet or not.

>the only fight she ever won
You mean besides every single fight she won to get to a point where she was facing the 3rd most powerful firebender on the planet during the comet in her nation while she was the lord of it? The girl who learned bloodbending overnight and stopped a rainstorm without even bending? The girl who spent her whole life not knowing a fucking thing about her bending and then went toe to toe with two royal firebenders who had been trained their whole life and lived?
A mary sue can lose user, but when it comes to that trope they only ever gain something from their loss. She never really lost anything but her mom, which only made her stronger.

Fair point, but I felt the fact it took 3 seasons for her to get anywhere and how she was pretty useless at the start makes it not quite as bad as some other characters

>not as bad
Who cares about comparisons? She was a prodigy among prodigies who convinced an elder of the north to teach a woman, which was against his whole culture and then went toe to toe with some of the strongest benders on earth.
The fact she mastered blood bending over night when it took the CREATOR of that bending months if not years is enough to say her arc was stretching it. She has a lot going for her as a character sure, but god damn is it easy to pick her apart. Do not even get me fucking started on her bullshit with the 3rd season final fight. Holy fuck is she stupid with that in mind.

But Hama created bloodbending. It would obviously take less time to learn it than it would to create it in the first place

Yeah yeah.
But where can i watch this thing for free?

A thousand generation civilization does not learn something. One person does after months of training and in a prison. You suggest teaching such a thing to a new comer who does not even want to learn it should take a single night?
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I didn't finish the first sentence, stop writing like a weasel.

You’ve just redefined the term “‘mary sue” to mean “literally any character that is remotely competent and accomplished things.”

The actual definition, like has been mentioned earlier, is a female fantasy of effortless adoration and accomplishment, who’s only barrier is the incompetence of others. Removing the “effortless” bit means you’re saying every protagonist ever is a “mary sue.”

Are you high or just naturally retarded?

Nah he is mostly right. Find a different outlet for your troubles.

who was he? Because that sounds based

he was the midget monk with tall sandals

The only problem is that the character design did not suit a deep southern drawl at all

>this opinion

Billy Bob's the best voice in the whole thing aside from Evil Lady. But that black woman voicing the main prostitute was driving me insane, she kept slipping into it the whole movie

You don't watch Ghibli for the characters.

Then what do you watch it for?

The beautiful visual designs and animation.

>young traveler taken away from their assumed journey must face and interact with japanese folklore to save what they love
I suppose if you were both retarded and petty enough of a person to reduce a story to it's absolute bare essentials until it is nothing but a vague abstraction that could apply to almost anything, what you're saying would be right, from such a person's point of view.

what is this "he wasn't liked" shit. He's distrusted, but literally every character he meets likes him or says there's something special about him

God I fucking hate weebs so much, get a clue you retarded nip cocksucker.

Nice way to admit that you have no arguments left.

Not enough.
His manga was a master work. Do not rejoice over trash. It is a copy, nothing more. And even he knows it.

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He got his ass kicked by a mini-boss in the first five minutes of the movie and becomes deathly ill and exiled as a result. I guess he's a Mary Sue for the rest of it but that just that one failure makes him a better character than Rey or Captain Marvel.

Katara isn't a Mary Sue, she is frequently portrayed as wrong about things.

>dub
kill yourself american

Arrietty is the best movie fight me

It is enough if you appreciate animation as an art form.

No. It is not.

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Your post seeps butthurt
>It is a copy, nothing more.
Still waiting for proof on that my dear.

Yes, it is. Ponyo is a wonderfully animated film with an otherwise forgettable plot.

Yes. It is.

Damn right I'm butthurt about your disgusting ilk. Same way I'd be butthurt if I met a disgusting thieving gypsy.

I like Angel's Egg too, I don't know what you're implying there.

I don't think you understand what a Mary Sue is. Fucking middle school kids...

>attempting to seriously discuss children's movies
I watch these with my son, he loves them
You fags are just as bad as star wars fanboys attempting to dissect another series of children's films

You can't argue with someone who doesn't apply reason.

>when you can defend your own excrement and you feel the need to point at other people

I gave it.
>otherwise
Betray yourself.
No.
I imply nothing. I state it.

no one fucking remembers this guy because he has zero screen time

Maximum whataboutism

Stay mad forever :)
>I gave it.
You gave nothing but meaningless conjecture.
>No.
Yes

Ok.

test

this

Future Boy Conan, The Castle of Cagliostro, Nausicaa, and Princess Mononoke are very similar.

>muh grey and grey morality
>no villains because its too icky to have good vs evil
>strong womyn
>no plot, just slice of life meandering
>consequence-free writing
>characters have zero personality

Miyazaki is pure soi reddit cringe, but because he's japanese, the /rasianmasculinity and MAGA weeb crowd blindly defend him anyways.

All of his work is.

You have never read his manga. Spread your ignorance like cancer spreads in a body. I agree otherwise.

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