Seinfeld

The finale wasn't bad for what it did to the characters (even though the whole law was bullshit and half the witnesses shouldn't give a shit about some random guys they met for a day or two) It was bad because it was a glorified clip show.

>Seinfeld
>Sopranos
>Breaking Bad
why do so many big shows have episodes set in New Hampshire?

new hampshire is the most important state in the union

What if I enjoyed both Seinfeld and Friends?

it's about as good as it could ever be.

Its just a bonafide clip show episode

The only part the finale dropped the ball was taking place outside of NYC. The city backdrop was a huge part of the show. By keeping New York as the setting of the finale it would have allowed for a soft goodbye to the city that spawned the soup nazi, the parking spot fight guy and numerous other characters that felt like they only could have come from there.

Based. I met a guy that's watched the show six times and he was still rewatching lel

It's not a clip show if the content is all new.

It was appropriate that the Seinfeld gang was undone by leaving NYC. Kind of interesting take on New York values vs. those of middle America, if that was what the writers intended. The kinds of people portrayed by the main cast really can only exist in a big city like NYC, just like the Larry David character can only exist in LA.

>greatest finale in the history of television
nigga what

Six Feet Under had the best finale ever

Most of that content was bringing old characters to tell us about stuff that we already saw and to repeat their catch phrases.

I like how Larry David shit on the finale haters by making an even worse one in CYE.

The finale should have been Kramer doing his standup routine.

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The two part LA episodes were kino where Kramer moves there and they think he is a serial killer. A lot of on location shooting. It felt like the Seinfeld movie.

I didn't even know people wanted it to end conventionally. The show was about nothing anyways, and the characters were extremely unlikable people, so might as well throw them off in the slammer for good

I thought they should have just had a funny episode and ended it. Why does a comedy need a series finale that tries to tie things up?

My problem was that they were arrested because they didn't give help "if they could reasonably do so" when they watched a guy get carjacked by an assailant who apparently had a gun. The law says you have to confront a gunman? Now that's some bullshit.

It was a different time. They were held liable for not being armed themselves.

I thought the court scene was one of the best moments in the final season. Especially the Frank and Steinbrenner bit.

This

nobody did, I don't know what the fuck OP is even talking about

Larry David didn't bother doing research about the actual law.

Though I was always more bothered by some of the random characters making the trip all the way to Massachussetts to testify against people that didn't really affect their lives in any way:
>virgin girl telling everyone that Jerry once was part of a nofap contest
>big boobed girl says that Jerry used to think that her breasts were fake
>a security guard testifies that Jerry once peed on a parking garage
>a pharmacist saying that Elaine bought lots of sponges
>a police man accusing Kramer for dressing like a pimp
And probably some more insignificant stuff I can't remember

The premise is kino, but it ended up as a glorified clip show.

It wasn't funny and legally made no sense.

Seinfeld isn't supposed to make sense, zoomer

Best finale with the qualifier.. I ever saw?

For me? It's the Sopranos. Chase left it up to you the viewer & that's never been done before in television.

I think the simple answer is the writers had to put them in a place where they wouldn't know the law.

Sneedfeld

That's the problem. Its just a clip show, and its a clip show after 2 other episodes of clip shows. So it just felt redundant.

In other words, it was kino.

That's not true. It even used to be noted on the Wikipedia page.

>Goes into serious territory with no laugh track about our heroes going to jail
>Comes up with an idea to have a reunion and revisiting of many iconic characters
>Tells us why the stories are over by having the characters go to jail

It was pretty good. I don't remember thinking I loved it or hated it when I saw it. I just remember enjoying it like many other episodes of the show.

>hurrrr you decide
weak in every sense. bad writing, or lack of, and afraid to make a choice that might make people unhappy.

I'll let you decide if I was just joking or thing you are a reta

From the Bloodhound Gang song Magna Cum Nada
>Big let down unparalleled
>Like the last episode of "Seinfeld"

>It even used to be noted on the Wikipedia page.
something was on a wikipedia page and then removed? must be true

>legally made no sense
Why not?

Literally who?

Literally you!

Do you even know what a wawa is?

there is at least a duty to report that is pretty common

No.

The actual good samaritan law is about protecting people trying to do a good deed from getting sued if they accidentally make things worse

No, how does the fictional law presented in Seinfeld legally make no sense? It seems like a very reasonable law. There are far stranger laws in the books anyway.

You can absolutely make yourself liable if you try to help and make things worse. The good samaritan laws protects medics or any first aid responders from getting sued for cracked ribs by some asshole after they were saved by cpr.

>oj trial parody
Aged worse than the Chinese Restaurant episode

Season 7 was fine, but the show started to really decline in season 8. Season 9, particularly the second half, is terrible.

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My biggest complaint is that it ends on basically a clip show when it already had a clip show that season. The jail stuff doesn’t bother me, and it is better than Jerry and Elaine getting together, but they really should have had the final episode just be a normal episode where nothing much happens.

>Update
Yea I agree. The idea of a finale was just unnecessary.

You have to have a finale. This was the first show in my lifetime that I remember people organizing watch parties for.

Not him and no, you don’t have to have a finale. You can just have a normal episode be the last episode. You don’t need to make a big deal and tie it all together in the end. Especially for “a show about nothing,” it makes zero sense. Seinfeld (the show) was a victim of its own hype and success in the end, believing like you they needed to make the finale some big deal because everyone else did, when doing just a normal funny episode would have been infinitely better than what they wound up making. Case in point, most people were completely disappointed by the finale they made, but loved other episodes in the final season that were just normal episodes.

name one good show with a planned finale that treated it like any other episode

I’ll add to this: Jerry Seinfeld retired the show when he did, “in its height,” in order to end on a high note and leave them wanting more instead of being glad its over. A finale that wraps shit up accomplishes the exact opposite. It was dumb.

I'm rewatching the show for a fifth time and a lot of the episodes don't hold up as well as I remember. There's a surprising amount of misses.

Oh, I agree, Seinfeld was just like every other hack shitcom in the end despite aspiring to be different and better.

Peep Show

You know I was gonna say something else but yeah I agree. The end makes perfect sense as the main cast are fucking terrible people. The bed just isn’t that funny or cathartic. It just kinda happens. It feels abrupt in spots I think. Again I’m fine with it but it’s still a weird send off.

What is behind this weird obsession some people have saying Seinfeld wasn't good? They're like prophets trying to spread a new religion.

>Those four smug cunts deserved to rot in prison
missing the point of the finale

Show has a lot of hype around it. While I liked it, I can see why others wouldn’t, and would actively reject the hype.

no, just no. speaking as a huge fan of the sopranos, that ending was just completely dissatisfying

For me only Seinfeld seasons 1-4 exist. For me Seinfeld episode 'The Pilot" is greatest season finale of all time, up there with Mash and Scrubs and Six Feet Under and last episode of Sopranos where entire family gets whacked, seriously, of all times they could kill Tony Soprano by himself why do you think they waited until he was with his family to do it ? Because they wanted to send message and killing him and his entire family was way to do it ...

nobody besides Tony died in the finale, why would they? that's not how mafia murders work

dinosaurs killed Tony and then aliens captured the dinosaurs and put him in the zoo for mafia killing dinosaurs. No? Prove it because fuck you that's how much the writers cared about your beloved show.

basically this

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SeinfeldIsUnfunny

Yea it wasn't a good idea. Didn't Mash start the whole craze of having series finales?

The idea is perfect but the execution is bad. They ultimately made it a clip show by proxy; having old favorites show up and talk about their misadventures from the stand is probably the worst way to relive those old moments. There is a remarkable lack of jokes in the Finale, it’s mostly beloved characters re-telling stuff we already know to new characters that we don’t care about. And having the whole thing hinge on a law that isn’t even real diminishes the impact of the comedy.

The basic conceit of “the gang does nothing (like they always do) except THIS time they are severely punished” is a pitch perfect Seinfeld idea, but they failed in providing enough new material to make it sing. Plays like a greatest hits album when it should have been something unique. And their choice to retcon The Contest shines a bad light on their most famous episode—don’t really agree with that choice either.

how did they retcon The Contest?

The Contest never really gave a clear winner between Jerry and George until an offhand comment a few seasons later.

That would explain the sneed meme

The MASH finale was a big deal, bigger than Seinfeld and any other finale, but did it start them? Nah. Off the top of my head, Happy Days did a big finale earlier.

>“the gang does nothing (like they always do) except THIS time they are severely punished”
I still feel that they failed with that by mixing a lot of the stuff that the gang did out of selfishness and malice with stuff that was being fucked over by even worse and things that were simply sitcom accidents.

Also, it was pretty ooc for Kramer to not want to help the fat guy after his Batman moment driving the bus.

Because they law is posited in the show that one should help if they are reasonably able to do so. Yet, how are these four people supposed to stop a fucking armed carjacking? It’s not reasonable at all to expect that these unarmed citizens should intervene. In fact, their camcorder evidence of the perpetrator is incredibly valuable to law enforcement; it’s much more than they could have achieved by intervening. It’s just dumb all the way through. Larry David never did well writing big set piece episodes—he’s much better with the small stuff.

I thought Happy Days ended in 1984, which would be a year after MASH did.

It just didn't feel like something the writers would have done. Like they handed it off to some other writers or something.

Nobody cares about finales for comedy shows. The whole point of getting a show on TV is to run it as long as possible.

I definitely feel that (and I may be alone here) the gang was “crueler than normal” regarding the carjacker. They have never been admirable people, far from it, but their actions in the finale are a new low. I know they needed some conceit to get their protagonists in jail, but they shouldn’t have tarnished them so much to do it. Sets a bad tone for the comedy to come.

that was the epilogue

>nobody cares about the finale!
>everyone on the planet cared about the Seinfeld finale, infamously rejecting it, and is still a topic of discussion 20 years later
hmm

>And their choice to retcon The Contest shines a bad light on their most famous episode—don’t really agree with that choice either.
Dumb ass, they made it perfectly clear George cheated IN the contest episode when they showed everyone sleeping and he wasn't frustrated like the rest.

Horsehockey

"retcon" is the wrong word, George reveals that he cheated, but that is in character for him.

Hardly conclusive, George had no triggers in the episode compare to Jerry and Kramer, and it is also canon that George thrives in a sexless environment, see s08e09: The Abstinence.

Looking it up, you might be right and I just misremembered. Yeah, I think it is fair to say MASH essentially made finales a thing.

>unlikable
zoomers and 90s born queers were a mistake.

It is implied in “The Puffy Shirt” that George won. He said “I won a contest” when reassuring the hand modeling agent that he could abstain from masturbating, and would not end up like the previous model who fell in love with his perfect hands (leaving only a mangled claw from overuse).

dont worry boy, we can change it when we get home, we can change a lot of things.

its zoomers, tgey have been trained to tear down the past at every opportunity.

you're retarded reddir nigger

save the faggot brackets reddit.

Do you know how to use the fucking English language? Parenthetical expressions are “reddit” to you? Fucking mongoloid retard.

George "won" the contest, but he admitted to cheating.

Yeah, in the last fucking episode. This is why it’s looked down on. It is implied he won in the puffy shirt episode but then it is “revealed” that he cheated in the last episode. It’s a unnecessary update to their most timeless and critically acclaimed episode. George was the one who was recently traumatized by getting caught masturbating, and had no triggers to tempt him. Yeah George is a cheater and a liar, it just felt like a cheap joke undermining one of George’s only moments where he was vindicated. Claiming he would never masturbate again, being challenged, and winning against the odds. I prefer it as it was, and find the finale joke to be cheap.

It's unnecessary reddit faggotry that you niggers feel the need to force in to every post

Maybe you’re just dumb as shit and feel threatened when people employ stylistic writing that is beyond you.

>dumb as shit
reddit nigger confirmed

>LITERALLY mad at parentheses
There isn’t a containment board low enough to hold you. Try ifunny, Mong.

>LITERALLY
Keep outing yourself tourist

That was probably one of the best finales in TV history. It was a great sendoff. Just upbeat and hopeful.

>has nothing
yawn

George wasn't even revealed to have won the Contest until a season later. They could have easily said that Jerry won and that "timeless and critically acclaimed episode" would have remained the same.

>let’s reveal that George won
>let’s change it at the last second
such writing

You just cant handle being called out, all youre missing is some reddit spacing and random ellipsis

The thing is though, faggot, I hate reddit. I routinely chastise my roommate for ever going there, even when he swears to me that he’s “only browsing ‘controversial.’” The thing is, faggot, you are just low IQ, mad at grammar, and so you lash out at the world around you, using the only boogeyman you've been trained to see. You don’t have an actual point, and you only have your gay little opinion which means nothing. So go on, double down, and dig your heels in. I don’t care, because in my heart I know you’re a wrong faggot.

>make joke
>make funnier joke based on old joke
Welcome to comedy

>make joke people love
>make joke about old joke about except it’s not well received
For all your expertise in comedy you seem unaware that the update to the contest was poorly received.

>the update to the contest was poorly received.
By whom? By your autistic ass?

no one posted that faggoty shit here before the reylo shills went in to overdrive after tlj came out. Its always pointless shit that everybody already knows thats placed within your faggot brackets, thats the most infuriating part.
>Anakin skywalker (father of luke skywalker)
what's the point? I dont know why you fucks cant just say what you need to say.

>autistic ass
Are a nigger or do you just play one on the internet?

Critics and the general public. The episode was infamously panned, and the contest Joel was often cited as a misstep. Read any review and you will find it mentioned. Are you a zoomer? Those of us alive at the time are well aware of the general reaction from the public.
>you’re autistic because you disagree with me and align with public opinion!!!
Nice gambit

Wrong faggot. I watched it live and it sucked then and it sucks now.
>rehashing old "Jerry and George get a tv show" storyline that they did better years ago
>90% of ep takes place in a fucking courtroom in some small town. The shown is famous for having scenes in eps across numerous locations (Jerrys apt., Monks, George apt, Elaine apt, George work, Elaine work, the NYC streets, etc)
>CLIPS OF OLD SHOWS. This is a fucking cardinal sin. Your finale shouldn't be a fucking clip show.
It's the worst finale I've ever seen. And Seinfeld is my #1 favorite show.

It was still very funny after Larry left, but it was no longer grounded in reality.
One of the best examples is when Elaine told Mr. Lippman that someone should open a muffin top store, and the next fucking day Lippman opened a muffin top store in Manhattan (this of course would literally take months to accomplish).
Would I ever skip the final 2 seasons of Seinfeld on a rewatch? Never.

A parenthetical expression is a stylistic way to convey an aside, which often includes information that is supplementary, but not essential, to the main point. It can also be achieved with an Em dash (which looks like this “—“), a simple comma, or a semicolon. It is a stylistic choice, up to the author’s discretion. I have never seen The Last Jedi, so I don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. I use parenthetical expressions in my writing when they are warranted, regardless of mouthbreathing retards who can’t cope.

>name one good show with a planned finale that treated it like any other episode
That's the point faggot, Seinfeld bucked most of the sitcom tropes of the day. A "show about nothing" shouldn't have a "finale about something"

Zoomers can't understand a comedy that is about the oddities of language, communication, and interpersonal relations. They're faggots that grew up on their phones and only know stupid meme shit.

how you gonna have the patience to watch friends negro?

>i post faggot style in a vain attempt to appear interesting.

Fuck off shithead. Friends is funny and comfy.

>gonna
>negro
Reddit nigger

Friends is

The thing about the last two seasons of Seinfeld is that even though they are zany, the writing is tight. It’s like season 9/10 of the Simpsons. “Something” has changed, and the underlying tone is different, but there are enough jokes that it’s easy to forgive. With the Simpsons, it’s a sober harbinger of bad episodes to come, but with Seinfeld it is just marginally worse than earlier episodes. They don’t allude to a miserable twenty years of oncoming shit so they are easier to swallow, despite being worse. Plus, there are some gems (festivus). I also enjoy George at Krueger industries, because it’s fun to see George have a boss who gives less of a shit than George does, allowing George to sabotage himself when his own lies are bought into so readily (the human fund etc)

>I just don’t like you
Ok bro, you’ve made it clear. I’m sorry grammar triggers you.

>faggot brackets

>samefag

>don’t allude to the specific episode you are referring to in a parenthesis you have to put it in the sentence itself!!!!!!
Autism

Kike

Wasn't it a year?

>It was still very funny after Larry left, but it was no longer grounded in reality.

I think the biggest example of this is, although it's in context of fantasy, Kramer being seen as a cooked turkey by Newman.

It's too cartoonish -- and I suppose that sums up what Kramer's character became. Still, the quality of Seinfeld in the final 2 seasons was only a minor step down from the prior seasons and it really did end when it absolutely should have.

Yea the show would have eventually got worse and worse. They had already done all they could with the characters.

that’s not why he’s calling you a fag lol

its neurotic and tedious to (encase) one’s tangential thoughts in parentheses instead of structuring the sentence properly. like you’re speaking out of the side of your mouth or gossiping like a spastic middle aged woman making throw away remarks for no reason.

>implying everyone doesn't already know exactly what you're talking about.

It’s not. It’s an incredibly common stylistic choice and you are a samefag trying to create faux consensus. Embarrassing.

>there are some gems (festivus)
>DONT SPECIFY WE OBVIOUSLY KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN
>IT’S NEUROTIC TO USE A COMMON WRITING TECHNIQUE
just fuck off, this conversation is beyond retarded

you could easily check to see if we were the same person, if you werent a reddit nigger tourist.

>reeeeeeee i must spoonfeed people who already know what im talking about, that's how we do it on reddit

>It’s an incredibly common stylistic choice
On reddit and tumblr

I have been here since itty bitty baby, itty bitty boat. Don’t believe it? Habeeb it! (Twinkie house)

Please post a photoshop where you remove the (you) to prove you’re not that nigger. You can even use mspaint. I’ll wait!

In novels, n and academic writing

>I think the biggest example of this is, although it's in context of fantasy, Kramer being seen as a cooked turkey by Newman.
You're right, this is a fantasy, but later in the ep Newman in a non-fantasy segment tried to eat Kramer. It was funny, but stupid.

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you can look in to it yourself tourist or dont you know how?

in your sisters cunt

such pointless, impotent anger

That was a very good episode tf are you saying?

...user, those are parentheses.

the only joke i can think of off the top of my head that aged badly was the cell phone stuff in the final

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faggot brackets

Can't account for bad taste

>don’t specify, be obtuse and verbose! I’m small!

>there are some gems like festivus
fixed. this is how humans talk to each other, sperg.

Gay

They were only horrible people in the later seasons when the quality of the show had nosedived. At first they were just regular, if somewhat neurotic, New Yorkers.

The memes have made you retarded. Sad!

>George and Elaine roofie his boss after he gets rightfully fired
>Jerry and Kramer destroy a washing machine as an unjustified act of revenge
>George and Elaine cheat on an IQ test to impress his girlfriend
>George breaks up with his girlfriend after a botched plastic surgery but immediately wants to get back together with her when she becomes more attractive then ever
>Kramer goads Newman into committing suicide
They were already awful people in seasons 2 and 3.