Dead film I know considering its nearly 2 years old now but I enjoyed the discussion threads from back then.
Personally I think both JOI and K broke their conditioning/programming but ultimately K believed JOI not to have, making the end hologram scene to be even more crushing
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Luv's character is also very interesting considering she's almost a mirror of K, both breaking their conditioning but both coming to different conclusions as to what to do with this supposedly unnatural humanity within them as replicants
First movie I saw in IMAX, it was amazing.
I wish I had gone to see it in IMAX now
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>no giantess GF
>bad dog
>good boy
>bad dog
>mfw
This movie wasn't even shot in 4k, I can't imagine how you'd react to IMAX film.
Proper sound system and room acoustic treatment influences your viewing experience far more than a bigger viewing resolution.
And BR2049 literally has one of the best sound mixes in modern cinema history
It's not dead, we'll be talking about for the next fifty years.
In fact you'll be talking about it with your holowaifu in about 15 years as she sets it up for you when come home from work.
>Did you know it came out in October 2017?
>It was number one its opening weekend.
I think K considered the possibility that JOI never had a soul and it was a dark reality to face on top of facing the reality that he never had a soul either, but he comes out of that moment of tragedy with self-ownership and a confident sense of self-determination.
The real tragedy is when he goes off and faces against Luv, who never overcame herself, never owned herself, because she didn't have the seed of a real memory like K did and, through him, JOI.
Would it have been possible for Luv to break free and own herself if she somehow shared in K's memory through her lived experience with him?
K + Luv 4 Ever
fuck joi shes not even real lol
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Real IMAX experiences don't compromise either, but hey, more power to you.
I agree, the best way to watch BR2049 is to watch it in a Dolby theater. Deakins himself said that the higher frame that was made for IMAX is not the main intended version.
But if you have to choose between a shitty regular theater and a retro fitted IMAX, even that IMAX is still miles better if not for anything for the sound alone.
>I think K considered the possibility that JOI never had a soul
but user, he always knew she didn't have a soul. He knew what he was getting into with buying the product. He wanted a sense of intimacy, the questions asked of him in the baseline test are relevant to how he's feeling. Through his true adoration of her, almost seeing her as an equal, her own code broke and she started to actually have sentient conscious love of him back.
>Would it have been possible for Luv to break free
I think Luv already was free, but being human doesn't mean you'd end up making the same decisions and have the same thought processes. She decided her place was by Wallace's side. Through her actions you know shes very much as conscious and emotional as K from the start of the film. Her destruction comes in pursuing equality and K's attention
How is the bluray of this?
I just rewatched it on blu-ray tonight, its very good
You tell me.
>Deakins himself said that the higher frame that was made for IMAX is not the main intended version.
Deakins only meant that in a very strict sense. They made it for a general audience in general theaters. He's assuring people they didn't miss out on the core cinematic experience. However it can hardly be denied that the IMAX/Open Matte framing is superior and brings out a greater sense of space which is so important to both the cinematography and the exploration-driven narrative.
>he always knew she didn't have a soul
JOI: "I want to be real for you."
K: "You are real for me."
That was after he came back from Stelline and believed he had a soul. Not disagreeing with you, I think he understood he was buying a fantasy, but he began to accept it.
Not as good as the bootleg Open Matte, which you can't buy anywhere.
>but he began to accept it.
he certainly got attached and deluded, so attached that he probably (?) broke her conditioning so that she actually did love him. But the hologram was a crushing reminder that the woman he fell in love with that he watched die was always just an AI he'd bought. But it doesn't really matter, she was the catalyst that helped him in his metamorphosis at the end just as he was the catalyst that shaped her. It's bitter that he probably never clicked onto the fact that she was special compared to the other trillion versions of her, but life is full of things like that
>Deakins only meant that in a very strict sense.
Well ofcourse he didn't mean that no one should ever watch it that way, but he directly said that he doesn't like IMAX in the first place because of the silvered screens that reflect too bright aswell.
He also said that 2.39:1 was his favourite version as he shot and envisioned the entire movie for that frame.
I remember this being shared back in the good-old-threads of Autumn 2017. Luv's arc is sincerely profound.
We had a lot of good threads because there was no good camrip and no early pirated digital release for all the poorfag zoomer NEETs to shit their pants over its raw confrontation of loneliness.
>just an AI he'd bought
If that were true, the he could just buy another one. No, I think he realized that JOI became more than just something he bought. She responded to who he was and their experiences together and became something unique that can never be brought back.
I don't see that any particular thing "cracked" her or "broke" her conditioning. Maybe he could have bought another one and genuinely loved her too, but he wasn't going to because he wasn't going to live. He was never going to be free, always being hunted or being bossed around by the replicant freedom army which he didn't care for. There was one thing he wanted to do after that and he did it and died because of it and that was alright with him. Not ideal by any means. Incredibly sad, but better than a life of servitude or denial from self.
Those are decent points and I never did see it in a Dolby Theater. I got to see it on a 4K OLED screen once and I'll want to see it that way again.
good post
90% of the theatrical threads were zoomers, that's why it's so praised here, it's specifically aimed at a subset of that generation.
Any fem-edits of this image always come across as hollow and comical.
The Pinnochio arc is always for a male character. Women do not have to earn their status as human, it is presumed and they are entitled to health and safety. Boys have to go out into the world and do shit.
But the character Max is funny also because most the individuals who played her were males who wanted to know what it was like to be an untouchable high school girl whose health and safety was of central importance to society.
Shit film. If you think this is good you know nothing about cinema. The only good buts were the baseline tests
Nope, the film tanked in braindead capeshit zoomer markets like America or China. It did well in Europe.
Literally made more money in Germany alone than all of China.
Nah it's aimed at dudes in their 30s. Imagine the character Sam Flynn and the age he would be when BR2049 came out.