Any modern film noir?

All shit.

>Dark City

It's the much better, more grounded and dark version The Matrix. They even reused a set from Dark City for the first Matrix movie, the chase on the roof

what movies do you like

MCU

Does Road to Perdition count? I can never get to grips with the definitions of genres.

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Wind River was a decent movie. Prove me wrong.

Drive
>inb4 hurr it has to be black&white to be noir

Danny Boyle's "Trance" does a pretty good job of riffing on multiple subgenres of film noir at once (90s-style neo-noir, 80s-style erotic thriller, 00s-style psychological thriller)

LA Confidential is good.

does Cold War count?

Correct.

>>inb4 hurr it has to be black&white to be noir
By definition it does. Drive is neo-noir.

>american noir
>a bunch of white people shot by a white male
Yep.

Source for the image?

Garbage tier movie

Isn't Bad Day at Black Rock generally regarded as noir?

Road to Perdition from 2002.

Those are not noir movies.

No, what gave you that impression?

Brick
Under the Silver Lake

the entire cause of the rape was so stupid and Bernthal should've taken it up the ass instead for getting beaten so easily. Also not noir

Brick.

It's kino.

My list of 1980s noir and after:
Inherent Vice
Under the Silver Lake
Drive
BR49
Brick (garbage)
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
Nice Guys (to an extent)
Sin City (I guess)
Blue Velvet
Blood Simple
Night Crawler

Not all of these are good obviously but I’m a sucker for neo-noir, anything big that I’m missing? I don’t consider movies like No Country for Old Men to be true noir movies.
Foreign recs welcomed.

At least half of these aren't noir movies, nor are they neo noir. NCFOM is a neo-western.

Why do you think Brick is garbage?

Sin city is nice.

Yeah I threw movies like Nightcrawler, Blood Simple and Sin City in there because they have most of the noir aspects I look for (cityscapes, harsh shadows/lighting, plots revolving around crime and involving some fem fatal) mostly because there’s not many true “noir” or even neo-noir films coming out these days

Noir is a visual aesthetic style
Pulp is an archetypal story telling device
And every poster itt can't tell them apsrt

Because it's an okay movie, but he's subverting your expectations.

Those are okay, most of the others though aren't.

I almost liked it. If Rian Johnson had managed to remove his penis from his own asshole he might have been able to write complex and confusing dialogue without it being cringe
See Inherent Vice for how to do that right

>Noir is a visual aesthetic style
There's more to noir than that.

Where did the
>hard boiled detective monologuing with jazz playing and walking down a dark alley
trope even come from?
I've seen about a dozen of actual 50's film noir and none had that stereotype in them?

Which ones user? I’m curious as to how people label certain films noir and others neo-noir and so forth. I’ve even seen people go as far as to call The Long Goodbye neo-noir but to me it’s just noir

I've seen the film discussed that way. I don't think B&W is necessary for noir though it is common to 95% of them.

Did you think it was cringe because it was poorly delivered, or did you dislike it because 90s teenagers talking like 20s mobsters seem out of place in general?

Noir was based on pulp and were shot so stylistically close that it absorbed the essential characteristics of pulp. Therefore, one can have a visual noir style devoid of pulp conventions such as fincher's early works. Pulp can also be rather bright such as Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. That's why I don't like using noir as an umbrella term

Poorly delivered by most and also just clearly didn’t fit
I mean I got the whole “we’re sewing a noir story inside of a high school one” thing but come on how am I supposed to watch a
>I NEED YOUR BADGE AND GUN ON MY DESK
scene with a high school principal and a high school kid and not think it’s fuckin stupid

Beaten easily? Wasn't he fighting like 4 or 5 guys?

Black Coal, Thin Ice
The Tribe

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>I don't think B&W is necessary for noir though it is common to 95% of them.
It's not, but I don't see how that movie really falls under the noir category. Farewell, My Lovely is a good example of it.

I really like the shot