Why do they keep showing the BTK killer...

it's a pseudoscience they use to bullshit their way into investigating people that are already a suspect

polygraph results haven't been accepted as evidence for decades, m8

wow, the retardation of euros

we use it to extract confessions, not as evidence

they specifically said the point of showing the BTK killer is that profiling does not always work

More like never

yeah but they didn't specifically say that

This would have been done better with Ted Kaczynski.

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I think the only real conclusion you can draw from these cases is that catching a serial killer is ~95% luck

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I wondered this as well. I read that the profile of BTK was wildly inaccurate as well. They said he would be a lifelong incel when he was actually married, and said that there was no way he could possibly stop on his own so that his hiatus meant that he was either dead or in prison.

To be fair it seemed like he was about to end that hiatus. But then he got himself caught kek

For a while profiles tended to be the same (white male loner with social issues) except for the famous case of the Atlanta murders. Over time though they've been discovering that that wasn't always the case.

>construct an entire show around a specific criminal justice process
>your big gotcha moment at the end is that the process doesn't work
>still spend multiple seasons promoting it

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this, if BTK isnt there to show how profilers failed i dont get why hes in the series. well actually my guess is hes in it because they wanted to use every famous serial killer they could

>if BTK isnt there to show how profilers failed i dont get why hes in the series
To show that profiling isn't perfect and can fail, obviously.

>is arrest had nothing to do with psychological profiling (which is a bunch of hogwash anyway).
You clearly haven't seen Criminal Minds at all, they make the psychological profile to predict the behavior of the killer in order to catch him. In the case of the BTK killer they used the profile to predict that he probably had some connection to the local community and was in possession of a PC outside of his home. When he gave his possession away by sending stuff to the police, they caught him and it fitted the profile.

John Douglas is full of shit, that's why.

>the profilers say he's mad at academia because he probably washed out
>he's a professor

Kek

BTK defined the standard profile for a serial killer at the time. He was a retard yeah but he was kinda endgame for the development of profiling.

At one point the prevailing theory was that it was a blue collar worker living in Chicago. From the start the only thing they got right was that it was one guy and not a group like Kaczynski claimed.

I think it's actually to show the shortcomings of profiling, and how it can make you myopic. They mention a few times in season 2 that there's no way he could belong to a church (he was a church deacon) and there's no way he could have close relations or a family (he was married with kids and was well respected in his community)

>chromefags
What

Yeah, we've even seen this is the direction they're obviously going with this in Season 2.

At one point, Tench says "This guy doesn't go to church." BTK was a respected church leader. Already he's made an incorrect profiling prediction and they aren't even trying to catch him yet.

BTK blows out Holden's theory, thats why.

Fuck you for beating me to it, you intelligent poster.

>That's why it is all hogwash

It's all just generalizations and probabilities, which can help, but it can also hinder.

It's why evidence and getting the public to help, is what solves them most of the time.

It's also interesting Holden is so arrogant that he thought in season 2 they shouldn't have "wasted" time with a suspect, because he didn't fit the profile. A suspect whose sperm was found near the crime scene.

weren't they right though? He lived in some cabin by himself and dropped out of academia at that point. As far as I remember.

He had a doctorate, he stopped teaching as a personal choice so he definitely wasn't a drop out.

Holden also says that he doesn't believe BTK has a steady job or a family.

Unless they change it to fanfiction and have Denis get caught early or captured via profiling (which I really doubt will happen) I think the Rader stuff is there to show that the profiling methods as useful as they can be still have limits. I'm fine with this because this show has always been more in line with Zodiac than say Seven. Cops aren't magic and they don't always catch the bad guys.

Cops didn't catch the killer in Seven, dumbass. He surrendered. They failed miserably.

I think he going more along the lines that Seven they pulled a code out there ass and they actually did track him down, whereas Zodiac they obviously never found him.

>and getting the public to help

Getting the public involved has only ever caused cases to spiral out of control and fizzle out. It’s specially why the media is no longer allowed to report on active killers, for that would constitute obstruction of justice.

mindhunter is about the futility of prediction and trying to understand why horrible people act the way they do. for every one you catch there's 50 that go unsolved. it's a never ending battle that you never make any progress on, no matter how much you devote yourself to trying to understand. some things are just beyond comprehension and there's nothing we can ever do about that. forget it jake, it's chinatown.

I think the FBI would benefit from your insight and expertise in serial murderers and their apprehension. Please, OP, don’t be afraid to reach out to them, I’m sure they would be very grateful, although they might not express their gratitude in conventional ways, but I think you can be assured that you would be remembered and respected by those who share your based personal illusion.

So it was tench's kid committing all the murders right?

They never caught the zodiac because there wasn’t a zodiac. It was a bunch of unconnected murders linked only by their media coverage.

it's a bit like how every time there's a mass shooting, everyone goes
>WHAT WAS THE SHOOTER'S MOTIVATION
>WHY DID HE DO IT
>THERE'S GOT TO BE A RATIONAL EXPLANATION
no, he was fucking crazy, nigga. the fact you can't comprehend it is a good thing

Here is how its going to play out.

>they get the evidence via floppy
>"This is our guy, Holden."
>"No, he doesnt fit the profile... He has a job, goes to church, a family... Something isnt right"
>"I did it."
>cue zoom in on Holden, his entire world shatters, hes bewildered, in a sense, terror filled
>SLAM to credits
>"MINDHUNTER! DUH NUH NUH NUH NUH BREEEEER"

they do the same with wayne williams. holden is autistically screeching about the profile and how they should be looking for a black suspect (and he is right) but the rest of his profile is hit or miss until they find out more about wayne using regular investigative techniques.

> No curb your enthusiasm theme

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That's normalfag thinking. There's always a reason. "Insanity" isn't real. Whenever anyone does anything, they always feel justified in some manner. Even if their justification is nothing more complex than it feels good/exciting.

What you call insanity is simply the breakdown/absence of all the social conventions you have deluded yourself into thinking are "normal."

It has been studied. Regular folks could create as accurate of a profile as a FBI profiler because the parts that are usually correct can be figured out with common sense.

is btk's daughter hot?

not going to comment on the show but isn't "hiding in plain sight" part of the profiling?
There have been many serial killers that get off on having a squeaky clean public persona, Ted Bundy being one of them.
You also have Kemper who was an autist but still hung out at the cop bar.

Sounds like Holden has just incorrectly applied the profiling and drawn a false conclusion, it would be naive to think a pervert definitely wouldn't go to church.

What do you have against chrome bro?

Did the black fag really do it or did the real killer stop knowing he'd never get found?

He definitely did it.

He did it. Black serial killers are the majority of serial killers in the USA once the authorities started to investigate crimes in the hood as possible serial kills instead of just gang murders.

they said straight up they had around 10 child murders a year normally. so some were him, some weren't.

not going to comment on the show but isn't "hiding in plain sight" part of the profiling?
There have been many serial killers that get off on having a squeaky clean public persona, Ted Bundy being one of them.
You also have Kemper who was an autist but still hung out at the cop bar.

Sounds like Holden has just incorrectly applied the profiling and drawn a false conclusion, it would be naive to think a pervert definitely wouldn't go to church.

What?

thinking you should recuse yourself from arguments online and offline

Imagine if every episode was like the last episode, with minimal time spent on pointless relationship drama. Id dare say it would reach season 1 True Detective levels of kino.

The whole lesbian shit should have been cut out completely. It added nothing to the show. The autistic kid made sense since he mirrored elements of a serial killer profile and was involved in a murder.

Not a serial killer. You can’t really call him a murderer at all.

> he left the house and spoke to people in some manner

>Had access to a computer outiside his house

That's profile really narrows it down.

It is common sense today because those guys in the 70s actually put in the leg work and collected that data.
I am sceptical towards the prediction power of profiling but those methods they worked on have some use, and weren't part of "honest police work" before.

shoo shoo retard

>imagine not using mozilla

Your average person could also never have such access to specific information to recognize patterns in the first place and apply them. I mean, today you probably could with the internet and autism being weaponized the way it is, but back then it was a new thing and took a while specifically because "Why would you want to understand such criminals?" was the underlying mentality.

>In his letters to police, Rader asked if his writings, if put on a floppy disk, could be traced or not. The police answered his question in a newspaper ad posted in the Wichita Eagle saying it would be safe to use the disk. On February 16, 2005, Rader sent a purple 1.44-Megabyte Memorex floppy disk to Fox TV affiliate KSAS-TV in Wichita
>Police found metadata embedded in a deleted Microsoft Word document that was, unknown to Rader, still stored on the floppy disk.[35] The metadata contained the words "Christ Lutheran Church", and the document was marked as last modified by "Dennis."
No he was just a legit retard

>he probably had some connection to the local community and was in possession of a PC outside of his home.
so literally anyone

Lol wtf

Because the show needs to pretend like its building towards something, when in reality, its only goal is to have you sit down, watch grown people bicker and argue for a while, then suddenly end with no resolution in any form.
Rewatch any episode of season 2 and keep track of how many scenes contain two people arguing with each other. See if you can find a single scene that is not people arguing. It's the most tiresome show I have ever seen, yet everyone thinks it's some sort of masterpiece.
It would have been better as a highly stylized documentary: leaving out all the unnecessary arguing between people, and just telling a cohesive story about what happened, and how it happened.
The worst part of the show, in my opinion, is how we are constantly reminded that Holden is a terrible person to be around, and that he is a dick to everyone, yet we never see anything to indicate that on screen. He's a little awkward and often blunt, but nothing about his behavior stands out as particularly annoying. It's only perceived as annoying because you're being told it's annoying.

But it was user.

Because the show needs to pretend like its building towards something, when in reality, its only goal is to have you sit down, watch grown people bicker and argue for a while, then suddenly end with no resolution in any form.
Rewatch any episode of season 2 and keep track of how many scenes contain two people arguing with each other. See if you can find a single scene that is not people arguing. It's the most tiresome show I have ever seen, yet everyone thinks it's some sort of masterpiece.
It would have been better as a highly stylized documentary: leaving out all the unnecessary arguing between people, and just telling a cohesive story about what happened, and how it happened.
The worst part of the show, in my opinion, is how we are constantly reminded that Holden is a terrible person to be around, and that he is a dick to everyone, yet we never see anything to indicate that on screen. He's a little awkward and often blunt, but nothing about his behavior stands out as particularly annoying. It's only perceived as annoying because you're being told it's annoying.

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He couldn't had known the police would lie, for the first time I might add.

No he dosn't, he fits pretty well to the common serial killer profiles.

Fucking boomers

I'd say 50% luck, 50% really tedious and hard work on the crime scene, and 0% profiling which is just a way to a) convince yourself that you are not a lazy asshole that just wants to skip the crime scene part b) adjust the evidence you gathered to the suspect you have even if it doesn't fit c) extract a confession from the suspect that is 100% guilty based on the evidence to save some time in the court.

I'd say 50% luck, 50% really tedious and hard work on the crime scene, and 0% profiling which is just a way to a) convince yourself that you are not a lazy asshole that just wants to skip the crime scene part b) adjust the evidence you gathered to the suspect you have even if it doesn't fit c) extract a confession from the suspect that is 100% guilty based on the evidence to save some time in the court.

Psychological profiling is not designed to catch the killer, it's more to narrow down the possibilities. And of course psychological profiles aren't always right, no one ever claimed they were, that's why investigations still rely on everything else, be it forensics, eye witnesses, traditional footwork, etc. You say it like these profiles are the only thing modern day investigations go on or something. They're just a general guideline is all.

I'd say 50% luck, 50% really tedious and hard work on the crime scene, and 0% profiling which is just a way to a) convince yourself that you are not a lazy asshole that just wants to skip the crime scene part b) adjust the evidence you gathered to the suspect you have even if it doesn't fit c) extract a confession from the suspect that is 100% guilty based on the evidence to save some time in the court.

retardation doesn't actually exist though

Why on earth did Bill not sit down with his boss, explain what was going on and take some leave?

THIS

Because the BSU is Bill's unit and this was their do-or-die field test. Telling the boss would have gotten him put on leave, leaving no one to translate Holden's autism for the normies

>No he dosn't, he fits pretty well to the common serial killer profiles.

The BSU got him almost completely wrong

Because it's a fictional show. They're not using actual rules of the bureau of that time.

I get that but people ought to realize your job won't be there for you when you retire/quit/get fired/laid off. Your family will. I see it all the time, people sinking all their effort, time and attention into their job and then being shocked when no one is really there for them in their older years.