So it seems like these are generally considered to be the “big six” teams even though Tottenham has never even won anything. What are the basics about each of them? I think I know a little bit, am I right or wrong?
> City Plastic team with no history but dominant in the league with pep at the helm but not won a champions league, have unlimited money and will continue to dominate and win a UCL soon likely
> Liverpool Most popular in uk, lots of fans in USA too, well coached and well run, best at getting good transfers and a lot of history and club legends, second most successful behind United historically, little behind city but may win a second champions league in 4 years soon
> United Biggest team overall, best club legends, best history, will always be relevant but in a slump now even now though they had a few 2nd place finishes in the league and a Europa league title recently, spend a ton of money but for some reason every single singing is a flop or idiot
> Arsenal Dunno much but they seem really popular and have a loyal following and are remembered for the “invincibles” team but not really won anything important in a long time, they get crushed in Europe and Henry is best player ever in the prem?
> Chelsea Russian money laundering operation, were extremely dominant with Mourinho and won a UCL and somehow again won a champions league last year?
> Tottenham Meme club that got lucky to have Son, Eriksen, and Kane at the same time and will probably never win a league title or UCL.
Pick depending on the owner >arabs >yanks and jews >jews >yank >russian jew >jew
Blake Richardson
Dude it’s all bullshit. There is no big six, just like there’s no big four in US sports. Easiest way to spot a mid wit who doesn’t know what he’s talking about
Luke Gutierrez
City - Atlético-MG Liverpool -Flamengo United - São Paulo Arsenal - Santos Chelsea - Palmeiras Tottenham - Corinthians
Blake Fisher
>Arsenal Used to play the best football in the league....which later became a meme as the long term 20 years+ manager refused to adapt to change and kept buying attacking midfielders and a possession based style even as more violent teams figured them out by repeatedly hitting them on the counter and set pieces
>Chelsea Always competitive even when you count them out. I remember feeling sorry for their decline in 2012 and then they won the fucking CL
I remember thinking no chance and then they won the league in 2017 after finishing 10th or something in 2016
Same for last year's CL
>Spurs Don't get the appeal nowadays. Used to like them as an unlucky underdog always screwed over by Arsenal but with kino players like Van der vaart, Bale and Modric
Now they're very meh.
>United Europa league title recently No. They won in 2017. It will be 5 years since a trophy next season. United haven't been this bad since the 80s
>Liverpool most popular in the UK Nope. That's United
Liam Peterson
It’s not comparable to American sports at all because we have the draft and a salary cap
Since 1995 no team besides City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, or United ever won the league, except one time when Leicester pulled off the most unlikely upset in sports history
Also for the next 25 years I doubt any team outside those 5 will win a league title
It’s even worse in Spain (3 team league) or Germany (1 team league)
Adam Diaz
Liverpool and United are the main 2 teams with the most trophies, history, and fanbases Chelsea / City are the new money teams who only really started winning trophies in the mid-2000’s (English League football started in 1888) Arsenal are the biggest team in London, both in terms of trophies and fanbase Tottenham are irrelevant. (and are the Jewish team of England)
Aaron Green
Chelsea won the league once and the fa cup multiple times before abramovic, stop pushing this zoomer narrative that they were some small team. They finished mostly around 4th and comparably were better before the money than Tottenham are now (chelsea have always won trophies, Tottenham win fuck all)
Sebastian Cooper
>Tottenham are irrelevant. Why does the media push them as part of the big 6? Also popularity wise there’s a massive gap between them and 7th (Leicester I think?) is this recent or what?
Hunter Gray
Should we include Aston Villa and Nottingham Forest as big teams as well? The fact is that it’s only Man United and Liverpool who have constantly won things for over a 100 years
Dominic Rodriguez
>Help an American Shan't
Blake Lewis
>Why does the media push them as part of the big 6?
See “(and are the Jewish team of England)”
Lincoln Cruz
Please reread what I wrote
Jayden Clark
Wolves won the league 3 times and the FA cup 4 times which is more than Chelsea did pre-2007 Does that mean Wolves are a big club lol
Camden Cox
Citeh = success customers with no history and legends Chelski = success customers with no history and legends United = lots of real success and legends Liverpool = lots of success and legends Arsenal = some success and legends Spuds = always been applying pressure for the other 5
Oliver Hughes
first post ive seen that takes up my entire screen on my new phone congrats
Yeah wolves are a relatively big club, the big 6 is meaningless is more my point. Tottenham should be nowhere near there, west ham are a bigger club than Tottenham
Luke Nguyen
>Arsenal >but not really won anything important in a long time
Excuse me, the FA Cup is important and 4 of them within the last 8 years especially so.
> Liverpool Terrible "Ultra" fans, Search for "Heysel tragedy" They had best seasons in 70s to 80s, but fans think that they were legendary.
>Arsenal The only team with "invicible" record for one season (undefeated). Completely useless in Europe. Most fans are Africans now.
>Tottenham Very strong link to jewish fans. Alwways refuse to buy very expensive players or sell their stars at market price or lower. More interested in financial stabiliry.
>Chelsea Using money from ex gazcom profiteering by the owner. However, he is genuinely interested in football unlike other most owners and pouring money to get result.
>United Was good under Alex Ferguson as coach. But now, the current squad is full of mercenaries Still the most family-friendly environment for matchday. Very commercial.
City Financial superpower using oil money. smallest fanbase Now is the strongest squad in premier league, also with much younger age compared to Liverpool
Logan Russell
Newcastle about splurge as much money as possible. They tried it before in the 90s but fell short after being beating for the title after leading by a big margin. Liverpool beat them in what for years was seen as the best game ever, ironically helping United to win the title. They fell to shite after that. Think I would support them if I had no team.
Henry Campbell
You forgot the bit where they're all plastic husks of a club propped up by African, Indian and Muslim fans
Isaac Evans
They all lack SOVL and thier owners would move the teams to another, more profitable country if possible.
Mason Wood
Yep pretty much. The "top 6" just means teams that have qualified for the champions league a few times. It used to be the top 4, when united, arsenal, Chelsea, and Liverpool, seemed invulnerable in claiming their champions league spots, so calling them the top 4 made sense. Things got a little more complicated when City got bankrolled and coincidentally spurs hit a successful patch, and now 6 teams were the top 4, competing for the champions league spots. That's all that separates them, in recent times, and possibly in the future, spurs, united, and arsenal can finish in the top 4, where as your West ham's, Leicester's, Wolves, always seem to fall short.
Landon Bennett
It's a bit more complex, Liverpool's current form is thanks to City, Bayern and PSG because they (and liverpool) suck players and leave the others with nothing "Arsenal" wasn't crushed in Europe, Bergkamp was afraid of planes.
Noah Moore
Villa, yes. They had a rough 2010s but they're historically one of England's most successful clubs and have very large fanbase in and around a massive city.
Forest, probably not. Good old club but really only known for that great streak they had during Clough's tenure.
Andrew Foster
>> City >Plastic team with no history you fat cunt >City win FA Cup decades before the likes of Liverpool >win league title as far back as 1930s >still have the highest league attendance for a domestic game in their home stadium >had 30k fans through the gate when they got relegated to what is now league one (the third tier of english football) >get reduced to a halfwit's obese opinion maybe look past the memes for once in your stupid life
This may be true but these days they don’t even sell out their away allocation to champions league games lol, by far the least supported team of the “big 6”, there’s probably about 20k proper city fans and the rest are plastic, similar to chelsea but chelsea have about 40k proper fans
Now there's only Big Two. In a few years will be only Big One.
Jaxson Allen
sadly the case everything becomes a monopoly when you throw enough time and money at it
Kayden Smith
the only way you can determine what a "big team" is, is if such a team was deserted by its owners and demoted a bunch of leagues, which would retain "relevancy", and without question rise back to the top.
Only Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal could do this. A somewhat distant 4th would be Tottenham.
Benjamin Clark
Arsenal and City can just about be considered "big" due to past and recent successes respectively, but Tottenham is just realistically not a big club.
Joshua Clark
If you're gonna have Villa in there, might as well have Everton too even though they've been a shambles lately
Noah Jackson
Yeah, they'd certainly qualify. Every team has rough patches and time in lower divisions throughout their long histories, it's one of the interesting things about football frankly. The whole "Sky 6" thing is grotesque.
Austin Anderson
The Scottish Premiership will finally become more competitive than the Premier League.
Joseph Russell
My dad is a Tottenham fan but he’s a boomer from Northern Ireland so I’m assuming that he’s a spurs fan because spurs don’t have sectarian ties to either Catholics or Protestants because they’re traditionally Jewish or they were really good in the 60s and 70s
Jayden Edwards
>City Soul club of perennial losers who annoy the fuck out of united and liverpool bandwagoners >Liverpool Fanbase of utter scum (scousers and plastics) who think they are better than they are. Responsible for 100s of deaths. Doped to the tits since Klopp arrived. >United Literal cancer. Created the age of corporate football. Everything wrong with the modern game is their fault. Bought out refs left and right during their era of dominance. Comparatively shit in europe. >Arsenal Barely English. Euro chokers. Nogs love them because they played lots of nogs back in the day. Banter FC since 2006. >Chelsea Traditional fanbase. Deserve their modern success. History of strong mind players like Terry, lamps, and Drogba. >Spuds Spuds
It is very cool and frankly I think it deserves more (you)s
Camden Hughes
>Question for EPL snarties Were there any sexy teams in the last 40 years and truly fell to the shits and and are now a joke team and how did it happen
Juan Davis
big 6 is more about finances of the club than how big they are
Wyatt Lee
> City plastic > Liverpool plastic > United plastic > Arsenal plastic > Chelsea plastic > Tottenham plastic
>The only team with "invicible" record for one season (undefeated). wrong, preston north end also did it.
Evan Sanders
So how do we rate Newcastle, Leeds, Leicester, West Ham and Aston Villa?
Gavin Perez
They're called the Big 6 because they are the most marketable, i.e sell the most shirts, and can spend the most money but most importantly all have the ability to have prolonged success. Which is to say that pretty much every team in the EPL can spend 10s of millions of pounds on players but these 6 teams will almost certainly dominate year in year out, through either their pedigree or referee intervention or both. One of the real reasons for their name is that European spots currently have about 6 places, and European qualification is a big deal after most drop out of the title race. So (I'm an Aussie but I've been here long enough to understand) I'll break it down for you: >City Money club that jumped on the bandwagon right before the EPL took off, have legitimate history but nothing remotely close to their "rivals", United, who have only recently considered them a real threat >Liverpool Very successful with lots of history, had a recent period where they were mocked but they are one of the handful of English teams to have domestic and European pedigree, Liverpool is apparently a shithole >United Basically Liverpool in terms of winning but their early 21st century coach Sir Alex dominated in a time where the EPL was starting to gain real traction internationally, which is why Pajeets love them >Chelsea Basically City before City, no real history, gained a lot of history real quick with big spending >Arsenal Shit tons of history without the same European pedigree as Liverpool due to being ratfucked by UEFA's love of Barcelona, play attractive football >Spurs A surprising amount of history (at one point they had the mot FA Cups) but are now losers who exist to be Arsenal's foils, haven't won anything in 20 years or something like that and everybody generally likes that they can't really compete, they're also Jewish and big in America
Christian Robinson
the mid 6
Daniel Hughes
Who is the other member? Wolves? Before this year it would have been Everton right?
Joshua Richardson
I get you mean 'the next big 6' but those clubs aren't really representative of that. Been a dire season for them but it would be Everton in Leeds' place and probably Wolves in Newcastle's.
Jacob Stewart
>Everton >Villa >Newcastle >Sunderland >Blackbrun >Wolves six clubs who were bigger names than Spurs and CIty less than 15 years ago
Benjamin James
If you are counting wolves then you have to count spurs boomer fa cups and Europa leagues
Thomas Bennett
It used to be big 4 United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool. Then City got money and aground same time Spurs out a decent team together and got into Champions League. The gap widened between the other 14 and big 6 just stuck.
Dylan Brooks
Leeds were one of the best teams in the country in the 60s/70s and won the league in 92 before it became the premier league and were top 6 in the late 90’s/early 00’s and made it to the champions league semi in 02 but were run hilariously badly by former chairman Peter Ridsdale and went £100m plus in debt “living the dream” and had to sell all their players, the stadium and the training ground when they didn’t make CL and then got relegated in 04 and went in to administration and then got relegated again and nearly went out of business before being ‘saved’ by former Chelsea owner and massive bell end Ken Bates who bought the club for £1, formed a new company a la rangers and exited administration without a CVA which probably should have got them kicked out of the league but the other clubs voted to reinstate them in league 1 with -15 points. They spent 3 years there before getting promoted and then were mid table championship for several years and the fans turned against bates for not investing in the team and stopped going to games so then then the club was sold to some Italian crack head called Massimo Cellino who hired some bloke no one ever heard of from the non leagues and then sacked him after 6 games and replaced him with some other bloke from Slovenia that no one ever heard of and then sacked him after 6 games too and the team ended being managed by the youth coach and they continued to be lower mid table in the championship before cellino was banned from running the club by the FA for being a crook and he sold to the current owner who bought back the stadium and training ground and invested a bit in players but the team continued to be shit and finish mid table until they hired Bielsa who transformed the club through the power of autism and then fans came back and they got promoted back to the PL finally after 16 years but now he’s been sacked and they are heading back to being a shit championship team again
Jackson Peterson
chelsea have literally never been a big club in their entire history until abramovich
Aaron Morales
80s Everton and 90s Newcastle mainly. If you're talking fallen out the premier league then maybe Ipswich under Bobby Robson or something.
Sebastian Collins
Before that it was big 4 Man United, Arsenal, Liverpool and Newcastle. And before that it was big 5 Man United, Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton and Tottenham. Plus in the early 90s it was a genuine toss up with Villa and Leeds being about as good as anyone, Norwich finishing 3rd and then Blackburn having a brief reign.
Brody Price
>City garbage ass team >Liverpool PARK PARK WHEREVER YOU MAY BE, YOU EAT DOGS IN YOUR HOME COUNTRY, COULD BE WORSE, COULD BE SCOUSE, EATING RATS IN YOUR COUNCIL HOUSE >United Based team, kinda shit these days >Arsenal Has world record for most jerseys sold to poor african kids, they're more of a jersey selling company than an actual football team >Chelsea No history >Tottenham It's alri
Leo Young
Chelsea were the most supported team in the country from their founding in 1905 up until about the 1930s, they were the first team in England to average over 40k attendance when teams like Arsenal and Spurs were pulling in around 10k. Then Arsenal moved to billionaire Islington and become known as "the bank of england" and won a shit ton of trophies. It's all swings and roundabouts.
