Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: Bruce Lee Was My Friend, and Tarantino's Movie Disrespects Him

He was a student of Bruce's, his friend for years, and was in a movie with him.. What education does he need?

This. You people won't admit it, but for many here that's their first exposure to Lee and it's not a very flattering portrayal. For others it's bias confirmation.

I still think filmmakers can do whatever, but fan or not Tarantino didn't do Lee's image any favors.

>He says that they have a responsibility when they play with historic people’s perceptions
Funny how they don't have responsibility with historic perceptions and fill movies supposedly set in europe with niggers. Thats not a problem, is it mr. Black man

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He had a fight with some white dude at a karate contest (exhibition), and fought some chinese dude because he taught white people in his dojo but nobody knows how that really went.

>cunny doesn't want to get blacked

That's a boy, tard

>He also said that Lee spoke passionately to him about his frustrations with the stereotypical depiction of Asian actors in film and television.

Bruces mother was western european, though, he was basicaIIy a European dude acting in chinese movies

incels don't reproduce sweatie

Who is this Pitt feller even supposed to be? One of the murderer/rapists or what? I haven't watched it tbqh

Based Kareem

>Tarantino also said that Bruce Lee was a very arrogant guy.

He was a very arrogant guy.

Asians in general are very arrogant.

He plays an old school cowboy stuntman.

It's almost like they're compensating for something, huh?

I don't know about that, but they sure are smug and arrogant.

Why are white males so threatened by confident strong Asian men?

Tarantino doesn't give a shit about Asian cinema except as a source to crib from.

That's his account. The guy he fought has a different account and denies it being over teaching white people karate.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wong_Jack_Man
>Wong was unsatisfied with Lee's account of the match and published his own version in the Chinese Pacific Weekly, a Chinese language newspaper in San Francisco.[9] The article, which was featured on the front page, included a detailed description of the fight from Wong's perspective and concluded with an invitation to Bruce Lee for a public match if Lee found his version to be unacceptable. Lee never made a public response to the article. Because, Lee never responded to this public request, also closed his school, and moved out of the area shortly after the fight, the Chinese martial arts community in San Francisco concluded that Lee lost.

Meanwhile, black Arial makes you REEEEE even though it's also fiction, nigger.

>Yep, just another dumb, misinformed, uneducated black man.
Soooo you have no idea who Kareem is and why he of all people should know who Bruce Lee is?

I thought he was that fella of the family that went to kill Tate & co. Idk the names

speak for yourself, mong

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No one ever said this about Hitler's portrayal in Inglorious Basterds.

No one likes smug arrogant people, it is not about being threatened.

He said could Batman beat up Bruce Lee? Yes cause he is a fictional character like Cliff

>he loves Black Ariel

looooooool

>his friend for years
Yes, which is all the more reason not to value anything he says. Give me someone who doesn't have a biased point of view that favors a person and maybe I'll take it more serious.
>What education does he need?
Education on certain directions that movies take in. This wasn't a Bruce Lee biopic, and yet he calls it one like a complete misinformed moron.

he's just giving his opinion, why are you all so triggered?

It's all shitposters and zoomers who don't know who Kareem is and what his connection with Bruce Lee is.

Why is he triggered over a fictional movie?

Gay

Because his opinion is based off a bullshit narrative, the same fucking narrative that is pushed everywhere.

His stupid fucking connection is not even relevant.

So just like Dave Chappelle? Are you the sperg from those threads?

>People with actual brains and IQ
Pro tip: Saying things like this makes others think you’re in fact an idiot too.

Try to disparage others’ intelligence more eloquently lest you run the risk of ‘insult blowback’.

Bruce Lee was a charismatic showman. A bum off the street with 6 months of training would've wiped the floor with Bruce.

Also why is his family cursed?

Tarantino never made a good movie

>confident
>Asian men
Pick one

It's funny to make fun of the people mad about it since they always suck, but Kareem is completely right here

yeah we get it

you were friends with a jew

nothing new in hollywood

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Fuck Muslims and fuck all asians. Fuck whites and Motherfuck black. Mexicans cam swim, so they fuck themselves.

>Kareem is completely right here
Yes, his statement that Tarantino was making a Bruce Lee biopic is quite correct.

>Tarantino is a Bruce fan weeaboo that has paid homage to him
>is still realistic about Bruce being a dick
>has a fictional character rough him up a bit but the fight could've possibly been a tie or gone south if it wasn't interrupted
what exactly is the problem?

>he made Bruce say something he would never say in real life all for the sake of portraying him like a tool

Kareem never said Quentin was making a biopic, he said Quentin deliberately did a character assassination of Bruce Lee with bad intentions and questionable research.

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>He says that this could corrupt and bad thinking about Lee in people’s hearts.
As opposed to making people believe that Bruce Lee was this 'legitimate badass' because he kicked people's asses in movies?
>He says Tarantino did not live up to the truth while portraying Lee’s life biopic
Completely misses the entire direction and genre of the movie.

black people worship bruce lee. all black households have bruce lee posters, look it up.

>paid homage

You mean steal his iconography to sell one of his films only to make fun of the man himself in his latest film?

He did it before with Chow Yun Fat, saying he did a bad job on the Replacement Killers to act even though he cribbed Chow's films to make his own ones (Reservoir Dogs stole most of the plot of City on Fire).

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Very little research is needed when this type of film wasn't meant to be a documentary or a biopic of any sort like this moron implied.

Kareem’s a whiny old ape hoop nigger

>is still realistic about Bruce being a dick
lolwut?
Quentin, you did not do your research and when your'e called out on it, you backpedal and say "I-It's just a movie" like a spineless weasel.

Bruce Lee NEVER said he could cripple Ali. He only bragged if he knows he can back it up with his fist.

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Not to mention Kareem is a student of Bruce Lee.

So this is false then
>>is still realistic about Bruce being a dick

It's a Bruce Lee character assassination to make him look like a joke and the meme about him portrays exactly what Quentin's intentions are.

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You don't know who Kareem is. You probably think he's a rando Bruce Lee fan. You're a zoomer piece of shit that should fuck off back to Plebbit.

The amount of worship and immunity to jokes that people place of Bruce Lee is disgusting. These people need to get right with Jesus, he's the only worth worshiping. AMEN.

based but I also enjoy the occasional jesus joke

minorities shouldnt be allowed to have opinions. They are always wrong.

Bruce wasn't a fighter,but an actor

He’s a nigger who played basketball who’s whining about social justice in the media all the time you subhuman sack of shit

See the videos made by Joe Lewis, Gene LeBell, Mike Tyson, Bas Rutten, Eddie Bravo, and Conor McGregor about Bruce Lee.

They all vouch that he's not just an actor but a legitimate martial artist.

youtube.com/watch?v=dJoCtd_cblQ
youtube.com/watch?v=AXdG577px94
youtube.com/watch?v=k2XV431fblk
youtube.com/watch?v=iRP3gillEQI
youtube.com/watch?v=8P0JcXLI_Yk

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And his connection with Bruce Lee is...?

Google exists, senpai.

>Biased sources that push the same narrative.

Based. You'd have to be retarded to deny he was a talented martial artist in addition to acting.

lol seeing that whites are now the world minority, thank you for confirming that white opinions shouldn't be heard

IT'S A JOKE
CAN'T PEOPLE TAKE A JOKE?

>people who actually know Bruce Lee are biased sources
>not unlike based Tarantino, who misread a Bruce Lee biopic and thought what a critic said about Bruce Lee is what Bruce Lee himself said

loool I'll take the word of Bas Rutten and Gene LeBell over yours.

They’ve always been the world minority you fucking ape.

Genuine question, do you really believe there's a huge backlash against this? These threads are spammed to make it look like a bigger deal than it is and you're falling for it.

All the butthurt this movies causing is awesome, but let’s be real. Bruce was a Chad.
Coulda spent his life selling noodles at a stand in Hong Kong yet he made it on his own terms.

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this board is beyond saving, we in the "based black man" era of Yea Forums

The only ones on that list who would possibly know anything about Bruce Lee's fighting abilities are Joe Lewis and Gene LeBell. This is what Joe Lewis says
bruceleedivinewind.com/joelewis.html
>"Bruce was not a fighter. He was an actor and a teacher. He was a great teacher."
I'm watching your interviews now to see what they say in them, but so far in the Joe Lewis one, he's not talking about Bruce's real world fighting ability, but the techniques he practiced and taught. Not the same thing.

Steven Seagal is more respectable than Bruce Lee

nah dyel manlet actor.

This kills the Yea Forums poster.
Even Mike Tyson idolized Bruce.
Greetings from Yea Forums.

Oh you're from the bubble. Yes, there is definitely a backlash (not huge, but in the sense of criticism, there definitely is.) People are definitely calling this a racist joke where I am.

>people who actually know Bruce Lee are biased sources
They are. Being that they were his friends and acquaintances, they're not exactly gonna say anything that's in opposition to this delusional narrative and illusion that Lee was this unbeatable fighting machine, right? Give me someone who knew him but at the same time wasn't his friend or mentor.

So what Brad literally fucked Tysons wife behind his back.

>Gene LeBell said that Bruce Lee is a world-class martial artist
>in the same interview you're referencing, Joe said this:

"Bruce Lee always called me "Joe," and I always called him, "Bruce." Bruce told me he was not a master but rather a student master. He called himself this because he felt he was always still learning."

That's just Bruce being humble.

do you fags realise martial arts actorsare literally the eastern equivalent of magicians?
It isnt real.
Jackie chan is the only one that can claim to be real since he does all his stunts.
The only real martial arts in the world is the sort they teach in the army or police based on thousands of years of knowledge.

>if you vouch for Bruce Lee you're biased
You're not only a clown you're the whole circus.

>Tyson and Bruce Lee are friends
lmao

They're not saying anything delusional, just about how talented he was as a martial artist. He knew and trained with a ton of prominent martial artists back then, and they all agree he was good. It's hardly just his friends and family saying it.

Do you realize that Bruce Lee also does his own stunts and he's certified as a world-class martial artist by both Gene LeBell and Joe Lewis?

>Sees Joe Rogan in one of the links
Credibility instantly lost.

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Martial arts is all fake. The best example is the splitting of wood and cinder blocks trick.
It is all smoke and mirros they deliberately weaken the wood or blocks so they can be cleanly split by a strike.

A Martial Artist isn't necessarily a fighter. Your Japanese grandpa doing tai chi in his back yard can be a "world class martial artist" if he's got good technique and knows what he's doing. Most people agree that his dedication to martial arts was admirable, and he had a lot to teach. It can't be assumed that because he trained and studied martial arts, that he was just as good of a fighter. Joe Lewis learned a lot from Bruce and would still whoop Bruce's ass

>REEEE JOE ROGAN IS IN THAT VIDEO LIST
The same Joe Rogan who is himself a size queen is vouching for Bruce Lee?

>B-Bruce Lee is just an actor
>B-Bruce Lee is just a martial artist
You're moving your goalposts pretty fast. I also love that my second point about Bruce Lee, him being humble enough to ask not be called Sifu, is absent in Tarantino's portrayal.

YOU'RE KAREEN ABDUL JABBAR
YOU PLAY BASKETBALL FOR THE LOS ANGELES LAKERS

>Tyson and Bruce Lee are friends
What a way to ignorantly put words in someone's mouth when clearly I was referring to those who did know Lee. People like Tyson's opinions are even less credible, because he's just brainwashed fanboy indoctrinated by fiction like most of those MMA meatheads are.

What about this one?

youtu.be/AcHe1gGv2z4

>Your Japanese grandpa doing tai chi in his back yard can be a "world class martial artist" if he's got good technique and knows what he's doing.

Source: Rando user on the Internet shitposting who totes knows about martial arts

Again, I'm taking the words of Gene and Joe over your ignorant ones.

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Not moving the goalpost, I'm clarifying what the goalposts are. The other guy originally said, "Bruce wasn't a fighter, but an actor." I'm supporting that point, and you're trying to obfuscate between the terms fighter and martial artist as if they're synonyms

WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH A MOVIE DECPICTED MY SLANTED EYED CHINK FRIEND DIFFERENTLY THAN BULLSHIT KUNG FU MOVIES FROM THE 60's AND 70'S WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>all the people who actually know Bruce Lee are friends, therefore they're not valid sources
>as opposed to Tarantino who thought that Bruce Lee bragged that he could cripple Muhammad Ali

loooooooooool

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>Again, I'm taking the words of Gene and Joe over your ignorant ones.
Okay, please do, but Gene and Joe don't say Bruce was a great fighter. At least Joe even explicitly says he wasn't a fighter.

>not moving the goalpost
>went from saying Bruce Lee is just an actor and not a real martial artist to saying being called a world-class martial artist by a world-class martial artist (Gene LeBell) is equivalent to a Japanese grandpa doing taichi care of your fountain of martial arts knowledge

Just take the L, user.

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dude this trick. Of using "martial arts" to break objects can be faked.

fucking coconuts have a weakness in their shell near where they join the tree.
I can stick my finger through a coconut and im not a martial artist.

>Okay, please do, but Gene and Joe don't say Bruce was a great fighter.

Gene, a world-class martial artist, vouches that Bruce Lee is a world-class martial artist. Joe, a world-class martial artist, was taught JKD and he used that to win full-contact karate.

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How would anyone here revise the scene to make it more realistic?

Says user, the MMA fighter lmao.

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I repeat,
> The other guy originally said, "Bruce wasn't a fighter, but an actor."
Not Martial Artist, fighter. You're now moving the goalpost.

one of you retards was saying how impressive it was lee could hold half his body weight out.
When that isnt impressive at all.

Mike Tyson idolizes his shampoo bottle, his brain is broken from being hit in the head a trillion times

>Gene, a world-class martial artist
And fighter, with a fighting career
>Joe, a world-class martial artist, was taught JKD and he used that to win full-contact karate.
Taught by his friend and teacher, Bruce Lee, who he states outright "was not a fighter"

lmao

It must be a good movie, provokes provoking provocation.

lmao imagine getting your ass kicked by an old taichi stylist. It's not even a real martial art, it's like yoga for people who are too unathletic for yoga.

theres an interview on youtube where Lee talks about being just an actor. He also has an insufferable personality.

To appease the Bruce Lee fanboys, the scene should have had Bruce jump 20 feet in the air, turn into a dragon, and perform an animality on Brad
>because he's a world class martial artist and he can do that!

>When you can't tell the difference between fiction and reality
Does this crybaby even know what type of film Tarantino was making? It wasn't a documentary and people with intelligence know that, so what exactly is the problem?

>Black guy speaking bad about Tarantino
That must hurt, he is probably thinking "H-H-HE IS NOT THAT BLACK ANYWAY!"

Nigs think dbz is real

I legitimately dislike bruce lee and his films

>black Arial makes you REEEEE even though it's also fiction, nigger.
no it makes me REEEEE because disney remakes are soulless trash

Can’t prove his intentions
And you’d have to be pretty fucking obsessive to do that on purpose. It was funny and he didn’t care

Remember that one time when Bruce Lee legitimately kicked the Anti-Christ in the nuts with one blow and prevented the apocalypse? Pepperidge farm remembers.

We know, Z.

>homages
He shits on people for using the word homage. He admits to stealing from other movies to make kino.

Based Kareem

>Give me someone who knew him but at the same time wasn't his friend or mentor.
Hayward Nishioka
Louis Delgado
Mike Stone
Pat Burleson
Skipper Mullins
Off the top of my head, pretty much every prominent figure in the American martial arts scene knew and respected him.
That's fair. People who sparred with him had a high opinion of his ability, and he had a lot of experience sparring full-contact with people, so he was probably quite good relative to other martial artists at the time. Martial arts in America was a lot different than nowadays, even the guys who competed were doing point sparring tournaments until the 70s that didn't really reflect actual fighting. That said, he wasn't a professional fighter so he was never really tested in that way and we can't say for sure how he would have done.
Yeah, Joe wanted to emphasize the difference between a competitive professional fighter and a martial artist. He never personally sparred with Bruce (or only very light sparring drills if he did) or saw him sparring. Joe didn't really consider point sparring real fighting either, and thought of it like a game of tag. He talks a lot about how Bruce could hit fast and hard, and had great timing, but you don't know how well he could take a hit or other factors that come into play with full-contact fighting.

Did any of them even know him other than Lewis and LeBell?

He's been trashed by black celebrities before this is nothing new.

a bunch of them did not because hey are too young and full of shit

Where the fuck are you? Some communist film school?
I’ve never even seen it mentioned outside of here

So they're mad he got his ass whooped by a fictional white character? Should've just made him black and have him beat Lee to death instead.

You have to remember that these type of autists like the Bruce Lee fandom believe that Bruce Lee movies are real events with real fights that actually happened, so you can't be surprised to they'd try to project their own misinformed thinking and mental illness and assume others will think 'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' is as well.

No, they're more annoyed that he was portrayed as a pompous buffoon. Even his daughter said she gets why Tarantino had Cliff beat him and doesn't care about that part since it's fictional.

Brucle lee films are legitimately terrible. Bruce lee is a mediocre athlete and decent martial artist (artistic).

Jackie Chan is superior in every single way.

Okay got it I don't really know why he chose to depict him that way but it was hilarious to me.

>No, they're more annoyed that he was portrayed as a pompous buffoon.
You don't see Sharon Tate's family crying that 'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' portraying Tate as some unhygienic tramp that sticks her dirty feel on theater seats do you? So again, what's the problem?

I always felt the boomers reverence for him to be really annoying.

>only very light sparring drills
Should clarify that, "very light" isn't the right phrasing. They did sparring drills together. Here's what he said in an interview:
>"I never sparred with BL.We did limitation sparring drills.He had the speed and the power to be a world class boxer. I do not know what he did to prove he could do 10 or 12 rounds or what test he endured to show he could take a punch. Thirdly, to make it in the fight game, no promoter is going to back unless he knows you have a strong will to continue at all costs. For example what would you do if you got 3 ribs broken. If you're a grappler,what would you do if your shoulder was dislocated. These questions need to be answered. Unfortunately in Bruce's case they never were. I never stood in front of another human who was a quick as him. He not only had the quickness but he had the inner confidence to muster the conviction to do so. I've seen other who had the speed but lack conviction,or vice versa. He was like Ali, he had both. I stood before both of these men,so I know."
cityonfire.com/unknown/interviews/lewis/index.htm

Because FUCK white people, ha HA! A proud PoC should never be taken lightly or poked fun at! Lowly white dogs, bow your HEADS!

feet*

Tarantino actually consulted Tate's family while he was making the movie to make sure they were ok with it. I think another reason Shannon Lee was annoyed was probably that he did that with them but not her.

>Michael Douglas portrayed the flamboyant entertainer in the new HBO film “Behind the Candelabra” I’d like to say something to Michael Douglas. I sang with liberace, I knew Liberace, Liberace was a friend of mine. Michael Douglas was no liberace.

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Tate was fucking murdered.
Bruce Lee died in a fucking accident that had nothing to do with the movie

>PoC should never be taken lightly or poked fun at!
For sure, we know how easily sensitive and soft you foreigner manlets get. It goes beyond childish temper tantrums and gets violent, and sometimes goes as even far as vandalizing people's business and looting because you're too lazy to actually earn anything you actually want.

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Doesn't the fact that this scene inspired a bunch of zoomers on Yea Forums to post extremely racist (and rude) remarks about Chinese people for over a month prove that portrayals in movies like this can have a negative impact.

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What's negative about that? Let people have their fun

I know, I'm just saying

Hollywood and libs hate asians and they probably made him portray lee as an asshole.

>Implying Racism didn't occur before this movie was even a thought in Tarantino's brain
Is Quentin Tarantino supposed to everyone's parent?

based black and asian camaraderie

you white devils will pay

more or less the same thing when it comes to wh*toids desu

That isn’t the question, the question is if it’s wrong

This.

He should've shown Lee fucking the shit out of Sharon Tate and cucking Polanski.

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did they make bruce lee a nigger?
no

no one is going to complain if brad pitt beats up ariel

For consistency's sake, they should have had a white guy play Bruce Lee. If Heimdall is black, Bruce Lee is white.

I'd rather have Arial Bold tbqhfam

Bruce Lee is half-white anyway. Or a quarter.

>Someone ask him how he feels about black Achilles

If by "someone" you mean yourself or another of the autists who always makes this kind of observation you're right, "someone" really should. Unfortunately "someone" won't because for all they claim to be the victims of systemic discrimination you're just a gormless fuck-up of whom he'd soon get the better.
tl;dr kareem's quite a wise old man and you're not much better than a retard

his potrayal in this movie literally has nothing to do with his race. stop thinking with race

This dumb bastard's another useful example. Imagine him waving his atrophied arms about and spittle spraying from the corners of his mouth while he squawks "TELL ME MR ABOOBIJAR (IF THAT'S YOUR REAL NAME) IF HEIMDALL IS BLACK BRUCE LEE IS WHITE WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT HM?".

Hey, I got an idea
>*drops pants*
>*bends over your face*
>*shits right up your nose and in your mouth*
Give me some feedback. Let me know how that tastes. Too light on the pepper? Little more garlic?

Has everything to do with his race though. No whiteys were portrayed as jokes in the film.

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>anti white chinese man claims he beat bruce lee, published by an anti white chinese newspaper who also didnt like lee
>this is evidence that lee lost, despite multiple eyewitness accounts
Lul

doubt.jpg

AHAHAHA AHAHAAHAHAHAAHAH

Wong Jack Man never even claimed he won, at most he tried to say it was a draw (despite all the witnesses agreeing the fight ended with him on the ground).

eyewitness accounts who were friends of lee

Bruce made the mistake of having no feats. He is not a competitor and his reputation is rightfully being mocked.

No, some of Wong Jack Man's students too. It wasn't just Lee's friends saying he won. And the one or two saying it was a draw say things like "Man would have won, but he was holding back and not using his deadly techniques."

the problem with tarantino is that even it he is in the right, he is such a sperg that whatever he says comes out in the worst way. let’s walk through two of his most recent controversies with this film

margot robbie’s lack of lines:
what he should have said
>the quality of one’s performance in a film isn’t determined by the amount of lines one gets. margot is a great actress who has a certain role in the story and plays it well.
what he actually says
>i reject your hypothesis
the intention of the women asking him was obviously to bait him into a question of sexism and tarantino can see it from a mile away. but his response comes off as extremely defensive and his face afterwards indicates he is seething. instead of defusing the situation he just added fuel to the fire.

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next we got the bruce lee controversy
what he should’ve said.
>i am a big fan of bruce and respect his work a lot. in fact, many aspects of my movies are inspired by him. the portrayal is tongue in cheek and i hope that bruce could’ve appreciated the whole thing
what he actually said
>something about being a fan or bruce and then saying that bruce said he could beat up ali which is factually incorrect, making him sound like a fucking idiot

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>No whiteys were portrayed as jokes in the film.
I take it you took shits during the scenes that featured the Manson family, or when Pitt and Dalto detesting hippies then?

He's just joking around. There's a really dumb comic somebody posted on twitter.

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Jesus fuck. Look at these little bitches. Its a FUCKING MOVIE.

A SCENE THAT WAS FUNNY TOO. It wasn't fucking serious. Jesus. Get a fucking grip. WAAAAAHHHH MY FWEND GOT A RIBBING. THIS IS TOO FAR. HE FIGHT! FIGHT GUD.

You gonna bitch about how Cliff wasn't real either? Gonna bitch that Cliff didn't mog the cult members? Gonna bitch that people made skits of other famous people? Lincoln in Whitest Kids you Know? Any skit with real people in SNL?

MUH SEAN CONNERY. HE ISNT DUM DUM! HE WOULDNT READ THAT BAD!

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the people crying about it don’t actually watch the movie

once upon a time in hollywood was fucking garbage desu

>tfw cliff will never abduct you and then pound your azn boipussy in his sex trailer

>anti-white chinese man
you should have read the article, dummy. Wong had white students. there's literally a link to one of his students web pages who now teaches kung fu and it's some old white dude. the whole "everyone hated Bruce cos he taught to non-Chinese!" myth is bullshit

Bas Rutten didn't vouch for Lee. He literally said he would get his ass kicked in MMA competition with his rudimentary skills.

His tomfoolery really does knows no boundaries

He basically said he was great for his time, but the game has evolved so much since then that he'd lose today without adapting. Seems reasonable honestly.

yellows and browns are legit upset because of this lol

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bruce lee

>doesnt like asian stereotypes in film
>flips!! kicks!!! chop!!! hiyyaaaa!!! ching chong ching me karate on you ching chong ching

what was the meaning of this?

Those are cooler stereotypes at least

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Asian Masculinity.

Bas Rutten was confirming that Bruce Lee is a legit martial artist. This is Bruce Lee versus Cliff Booth, not Bruce Lee versus MMA, after all.

>didn't vouch for Bruce Lee
>confirmed he helped MMA evolve
>confirmed he was proto-MMA

Sound like he confirmed him to me, especially among those who wave him off as an actor who doesn't know real martial arts.

Yeah. I don't care about Cliff Booth (a fictional character) beating him though. Him looking like a buffoon was kind of lame, but whatever. The movie was awesome. Best Tarantino movie since Kill Bill part 2.

Why does Bruce trigger mutts so much?
Tarantino is a fucking hack btw and always has been.

>should not disrespect the roles of the fellow actors
What the fuck?

Well that just sounds autistic, pedantic or plane stupid. There are so many "not-homages" and references in his movies that I can't believe he thinks people aren't supposed to realize what movie they've been lifted from.
If he really thinks he should be able to have it both ways, like you seem to be implying, then that makes me hate this hack that much more.

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Funny. Yea Forums hates it when Star Wars gets a Mary Sue like Rey, but when Tarentino puts a male Mary Sue in one of his films, they gush all over him. Tarentino pretty much wrote Pitt's character as a Mary Sue in his 60s Hollywood fanric.

>hiyyaaaa!!!

that was a weird dub thing he never made those high pitched sounds, at the time the wireless mics they had sounded like pure ass and you couldn't put one on him anyway since he was always shirtless, so at the time most movies were dubbed over in studio after filming, this was due to low dynamic range of the mics and not being able to remove wind and other sounds.

For example all the sean connery james bond movies were dubbed over after filming which is why the movies always sound like they're volume leveled this is called ADR or revoicing and it was extremely common up until the early 80's due to technological limits.

The difference is Cliff Booth is a fun character and Rey is boring.

True. I much prefer red Comic Sans or blue Times New Roman.

Bruce Lee was raped by a single white man in the steaming hot summer of '69.

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interesting if true

>Mary Sue
He's shown as a suspected wife killer and blithe psychopath

I haven't seen OUATIH but I'm assuming from your post you would consider the Bride a mary sue character as well? People on this board don't mind her character, which refutes your point.

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KWAB

>i reject your hypothesis
That's the better response he could give though. Because the mere question by that hack clickbaiter journalistf was funded in prejudice and a retard correlation between "number of lines=notoriety of the role". If you think the motive that guides that kind of question is to engage in a relevant discussion, you are a retard.

He should've just had a Charlie Chan cameo instead.

An let me clarify that I don't call you names. I'm talking about the turmoil elicited by his response.

You're definitely threatened by confidence.

tarantino worships black cock and hates asians, its a cuck male thing you wouldnt understand

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Who the hell is threatened by confidence? People that put out confidence are reassuring to work with and be around. People love to spend time with and be around confident people, they're actively sought out by everyone.

People that put out that they're smug and arrogant give out pretty much the exact opposite effect that confidence has. They're off putting and unsettling for everyone who has to the bad luck to be stuck dealing with their weird neuroses.

it wasnt a biopic retard

the chink fears the muslim

How come these same rules don't apply whenever Hollywood decides to make fun of Jesus Christ?

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OH NONONONONOO
What went wrong, Brucebros?

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>implying Christfags don't chimpout at that too

Why is Bruce Lee deserving of our undying respect? He’s just an actor. People make fun of actors all the time.

He lives alone in a little trailer. Half the characters fucking hate him because of his actions and he loses his job and long time friend at the end of the movie.
Everyone loves Rey for no reason. Characters who just met her fawn over her and ask her to join them, hug her, hit on her, give her giant responsibilities. And these movies took course over the span of a day.

Zoomers just don't understand.

The other guy was training with Bruce many hours a day and used his techniques to win his full-contact karate tournaments though.

>Him looking like a buffoon was kind of lame, but whatever.

That's the main thing detractors hate about the portrayal. He can lose, but not in a way that makes him look like an idiot.

I love how much seething this scene has caused fragile normies and minorities

checked
also I don't have to imagine. It's everywhere and it's hilarious. Tarantino without Jewstein as his supervisor can still do some good shit

I don't get it. How was the movie disrespectful to Bruce Lee?
Doesn't portray him as anything else than arrogant ant the scene is inspired by something that did happen in real life.

To me it's way more of a disservice to present him as some sort of saintly figure who can do no wrong.

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I'm still waiting for Chuck Norris to weigh in on this controversy. His word is law

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And Mickey trained Rocky, but that doesn't mean he could beat Apollo Creed

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The Great Kareem Abdul-Jabbar >>>>>> Tarantino

>implying pic related isn't the one true law.

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>Thing is so true that you get huge backlash for saying otherwise and you should not say otherwise
What does this remind me of

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Someone should tell this guy he wasn't eally flying the plane in Airplane!

Abdul-Jabbar is a basketball legend and useless as an entertainment industry commentator. His article about this retarded controversy is one of the most biased, uninformative and politically correct shit I've ever read. If you think that a fucking nostalgic wank set in a fantasy realm is really hurting Bruce Lee legacy you can't understand how fiction works. Fuck him.

>martial artist
Means nothing plenty of martial arts ,including lees,are dogshit.Fighter means someone who fights and bruce had no fights
youtube.com/watch?v=_UvRavszvPY

This is a good analogy to explain the difference. Granted Bruce trained like a fighter and had the conditioning of one, compared to Mickey who's an old man. But he wasn't a professional fighter, he was a martial artist and teacher.

It was probablly everyones reaction that fuelled it. If people just ignored it, a few jokes might have been made and everyone would move on.

There's nothing worse in this world than being a nigger. So it's only fair that people would feel bad for Arial

Kind of ironic posting Xu Xiaodong, Lee was similar in how he called out kung fu bullshit and wanted realistic martial arts.

What was this post supposed to prove? How are we supposed to ask him in person when he’s some washed up old ex-celeb who probably stays in his retirement home all day waiting to die? Where would we even find him?

Curiously enough, Lee's image is an artificial construct based on his filmography and the tales and legends that people told after his death. I'm not talking about his fighting abilities. But he was a human bean after all, not a fucking deity who has to be adored without discussion. Zoomers like to turn everything into a meme. That's not Tarantino's fault. The fucking footfag tells tales for a living. And his fictions are not very different from the deification of Bruce, a guy who dies because he used too much painkillers.

Got'em

Not everyone who comments about a movie has to be a certified movie critic. He's commenting from his perspective relating to his personal relationship with Bruce Lee and his personal tribulations of racism and assimilation in America, not to mention he's well read, i.e. he's a rightfully respected cultural critic. Don't pigeonhole him as simply a basketball legend. His comments have some weight to them.

>Means nothing plenty of martial arts ,including lees,are dogshit
Gene LeBell didn't think so and he taught Bruce Lee judo. Are you saying LeBell is dogshit too?

But it does mean Mickey was an actual boxer as opposed to you saying he's just an actor.

Also as far as informed opinions go, Gene LeBell > Kareem Abdul-Jabbar > dogshit >>>>>>>>>> Tarantino >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (you)

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Oh so it's now fragile normies and minorities, and not just /r/asianmasculinity?

>he's a rightfully respected cultural critic.
lmao
Movies and shows make fun of famous people all the time, just get over it

>in the movies

>m-movies and shows m-make fun of people all the time
When Louis C.K. made fun of white people, Yea Forums went apeshit, .

Gene LeBell, without stuttering, said that Bruce Lee is a world-class martial artist. He didn't say a world-class martial artist in the movies. He said world-class martial artist.

Cope more.

He lied

"Martial artist" is anyone who studies martial arts. It's the training and discipline, not fighting prowess or ability. Doing poses 1,000 times a day and punching the air 1,000 times doesn't automatically mean you could beat anyone in a fight.

>He's commenting from his perspective relating to his personal relationship with Bruce Lee and his personal tribulations of racism and assimilation in America
Ok. But that's reality what you are talking about there. And he's talking about a movie where Sharon Tate's murderers are killed by a guy high on LSD and another guy with a fucking flamethrower.
>he's a rightfully respected cultural critic
For being such thing, he can't understand that he's talking about a fiction without any relation with the real deal. And his position is dangerously similar to the usual political correctness that threatens to asfixiate any portrait that isn't in line with "family and friends" desires. Movies have no compromises with reality. Not even documentaries.

Listen, I understand Abdul-Jabbar butthurt about this. He was Lee's friend, and it's clear that the man hold Bruce in great esteem. But if you are going to defend a dead friend, try to not introduce in your article a moral guideline about what a creator could or couldn`t do based on your feelings. Maybe my previous post is a little too harsh on him. Believe me, I'm an Abdul-Jabbar fan. In my childhood the only poster in my room was a frame from Game of Death with Lee and Jabbar fighting each other. But his article isn't valuable because he's talking about his feelings and he calls Tarantula movie "disrespectful". Disrespectful to what? To the real figure? Wrong. It's obviously a caricature, not about the human being, it's all about perceptions. If you read carefully the article (and I'm sure you did) the man isn't even consistent with his own arguments about what a director could or couldn't do. And that kind of dead end it's dangerous because it fosters a certain attitude of tepid censorship.

To be fair though, Bruce focused on realistic training for fighting rather than doing poses or punching the air.

>"Martial artist" is anyone who studies martial arts.
>world-class martial artist

You know who else are world-class martial artists? Joe Lewis, who was trained by Bruce Lee, and Gene LeBell, who trained Bruce in judo.

>Doing poses 1,000 times a day and punching the air 1,000 times doesn't automatically mean you could beat anyone in a fight.

He beat Wong Jack Man.

>You know who else are world-class martial artists? Joe Lewis, who was trained by Bruce Lee, and Gene LeBell, who trained Bruce in judo.
Yeah, and they were martial artists who competed in tournaments as fighters. You're confusing theory vs practice. You can be a world class martial artist without ever getting into a fight in your life. You can win every fight in your life without training in martial arts. They're separate things. Bruce clearly spent a lot of time practicing martial arts. He's never been known as a genuine fighter though.

appeal to motive, try a better argument

Who was an airfighter

>Yeah, and they were martial artists who competed in tournaments as fighters.
So they would know who a world-class martial artist is. Joe called Bruce a teacher. Gene called Bruce a world-class martial artist.

See

then instead of crying like a little bitch why don't you make fun of Pitt and Tarantino, like Yea Forums made fun of Louis Cuck

just because a man praises his friend doesn't means it's honest,true or that an actor can't get his ass-kicked by a stuntman in a movie

I'm not crying, I'm making fun of the posters who post this.

>So they would know who a world-class martial artist is.
Yeah, and I agree that he is. I also agree with them that he wasn't a fighter, at least not a "world class fighter"

>appeal to motive
Come up with a better argument.

oh no no no look at the top of bruce's head

bruh,you started with an appeal to authority

cccp incel spies btfo forever

>Yeah, and I agree that he is
I accept your concession.

>I also agree with them that he wasn't a fighter,
Joe Lewis used his techniques to win fights. Gene LeBelle never claimed he wasn't a fighter.

>He's never been known as a genuine fighter
I think this is confusing to a lot of people because people use the word in different ways. Fighter in this context is used to refer to somebody who fights competitively, which doesn't really apply to Lee much. Not to say he never fought before, he provably fought against some people and won, and did a lot of full-contact sparring with people. But street fights and challenge matches, while cool to talk about, aren't the same as being a professional fighter.

>Joe Lewis used his techniques to win fights
But Bruce didn't. What Joe Lewis does doesn't matter, Joe Lewis is a verified, heavily decorated fighter.
>Gene LeBelle never claimed he wasn't a fighter.
You keep bringing up "world class martial artist" quote, so do you have a quote where Gene praises Bruce's fighting skill?

Gee, I wonder what a small time karate instructor could possibly gain by lying about beating the foremost martial artist of his time in a fist fight, certainly we can trust his post facto written testimony. This is fucking Yea Forums, pics or it DIDN'T HAPPEN.

This.
It's like saying he's not a pro boxer or pro karate tournament champion.

But Bruce Lee still taught him those techniques. Yes, I keep bringing up world-class martial artist because there are people here who keep saying Bruce was just an actor.

>pics or it DIDN'T HAPPEN.
Bruce Lee didn't produce pics either.

Lol fucking got him. However I personally care about both.

>publishes his account of the fight
>challenges Bruce to a public match in front of a large audience if he disagrees with the account of the fight
>Bruce says nothing, closes down his school and moves across the country

Why should he have a rematch with a guy who refused to admit he lost the first time?

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>But Bruce Lee still taught him those techniques.
Okay, but what's your point? Joe Lewis is a fighter. He used fighting techniques, martial arts, to win fights. Bruce Lee learned and practiced the techniques too but never put his ability to use them in a fight to the test.

If it was that easy to beat him, he shouldn't be afraid to show up. Instead he packed his bags and fled town.

>Okay, but what's your point?
Bruce Lee isn't "just an actor" and both say he's a world-class martial artist. The fact that you're trying to downplay their testimonies means I win you and you should take your L.

Why entertain sore losers trying to get money off of your fame?

It's your assumption that his leaving had anything to do with Wong Jack Man. I bet if you looked deeper a better explanation exists.

INFINITE CHINK COPE

Why flee across the country?

>"I'd gotten into a fight in San Francisco with a Kung-Fu cat, and after a brief encounter the son-of-a-bitch started to run. I chased him and, like a fool, kept punching him behind his head and back. Soon my fists began to swell from hitting his hard head. Right then I realized Wing Chun was not too practical and began to alter my way of fighting."[2]

loooool

I don't know about all that, but I do find this discussion rather silly when Brad Pitt, a man who has probably never even broken a nail in confrontation, is considered the ultimate Hollywood badass who beats Bruce Lee and cucks Hitler and hosts a Fight Club while driving tanks.

Go all the way back to the start of the conversation about this. The claim was "he's not a fighter, he's an actor." Which is true, because he's not a fighter, and he is an actor. Nobody ever said "bruce lee wasn't a martial artist." You just don't understand what a martial artist is, and you keep trying to conflate martial artist with professional fighter like that hasn't been shot down 100 times already. Accept that much, that he was an actor who studied and trained in martial arts, and was not known for his genuine fighting ability off-screen.

That user isn't even downplaying their testimonies or Bruce Lee, I think you're misunderstanding him. He's just making a distinction between professional fighters compete and martial artists that don't.

Lee has never one won a professional fight

>"The two came out, bowed formally and then began to fight. Wong adopted a classic stance whereas Bruce, who at the time was still using his Wing Chun style, produced a series of straight punches. Within a minute, Wong's men were trying to stop the fight as Bruce began to warm to his task. James Lee warned them to let the fight continue. A minute later, with Bruce continuing the attack in earnest, Wong began to backpedal as fast as he could. For an instant, indeed, the scrap threatened to degenerate into a farce as Wong actually turned and ran. But Bruce pounced on him like a springing leopard and brought him to the floor where he began pounding him into a state of demoralization. "Is that enough?" shouted Bruce, "That's enough!" pleaded his adversary. Bruce demanded a second reply to his question to make sure that he understood this was the end of the fight."[8]

Why is Wong Jack Man so cowardly?

>mere coincidence that after Bruce "won the fight," he decided his martial arts style was ineffective and needed to be changed

It dosent have anything to do with fighting, its just reddit semantics

>That user isn't even downplaying their testimonies
Not sure if it's him but someone said this about world class martial artists:
>Your Japanese grandpa doing tai chi in his back yard can be a "world class martial artist" if he's got good technique and knows what he's doing.

He was equating Bruce Lee to a grandfather dong tai chi exercises.

youtube.com/watch?v=NNSMXFqqeSY

>This is in contrast to Wong and William Chen's account of the fight as they state the fight lasted an unusually long 20–25 minutes.Wong was unsatisfied with Lee's account of the match and published his own version in the Chinese Pacific Weekly, a Chinese language newspaper in San Francisco.[9] The article, which was featured on the front page, included a detailed description of the fight from Wong's perspective and concluded with an invitation to Bruce Lee for a public match if Lee found his version to be unacceptable. Lee never made a public response to the article. Because, Lee never responded to this public request, also closed his school, and moved out of the area shortly after the fight, the Chinese martial arts community in San Francisco concluded that Lee lost.

>a fight lasts 20-25 minutes
It would if after 3 minutes he starts running and kept taking the time as he continued to run away.

Yeah. That's basically the definition of movies. Movies are elaborated lies made to evoke certain feelings. In the best cases, a good lie can elicit interesting reflexions about certain topics but it's still a lie. No more, no less.

Can an old man not be considered world class in martial arts, after 60 years of experience and training? Is tai chi not a martial art?

Not surprising at all, he was a perfectionist and the fight went a bit sloppy even though he came out on top. You can even see this in how he reacted to the high school boxing tournament he won - he was disappointed that he knocked his opponent down 3 times instead of knocking him out. He was always looking at ways to improve.

Ah, see? This is the same guy doubling down on Bruce Lee, claiming him as only doing poses and exercises instead of being a real martial artist.

You also confuse tai chi exercises with tai chi the martial art the same way a MORON would confuse tae bo with kickboxing.

youtube.com/watch?v=wLiQROmlIcA

You're right, but I can see why it bugged him. Bruce wasn't doing that type of martial art, he was training for fighting and according to accounts of competitors who sparred with him, his fighting ability was very good. So old man Tai Chi isn't a perfect comparison.

>wife killer and blithe psychopath
No wonder cumskincels like him so much

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And? Same shit be with Brad Pitt, another fake Hollywood badass, but Tarantino has no problem holding up that myth. The real point is Tarantino is a hack who doesn't understand why the things that influenced him were good to begin with. His popularity speaks more to the debasement of ourselves than anything, his movies are story book wish fulfillment.

Correct, we are together against cumskins, solidarity with my asian pals

>Tarantino did not live up to the truth while portraying Lee’s life biopic
IT WASN'T A BIOPIC
HITLER WASN'T REALLY KILLED IN A MOVIE CINEMA
DJANGO DIDN'T REALLY EXIST

I'm not sure what the point of the video is, I wasn't trying to make the high school boxing tournament into a big deal, just using it as further evidence of his personality.

There is no evidence,just talk

Bruce Lee made better movies than tarantino ever could, he's just a retard

No evidence of what?

So then the fight never happened, period. Move on.

>written testimony of a defeated man

Yes let's listen to the murderer talk about how he isn't a murderer.

>stop producing films to fight some no-name whelp who lied about the first fights result
Mmhmm

BRUCU RUU MAKE BETAH MUUVSHUUH THAN TANTINO EVA KUD HE AH JUST RETARDU

I like how all these pictures of Tittybingo aren't the more recent ones where he looks like Angus Scrimm in Phantasm.

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It's pretty damn suspect that he claims to have won the fight by a landslide, yet thought he didn't win "good enough" and immediately after changed his fighting style. Surely he's used that fighting style before in all the big fights he's taken part in, right? Only now against this weak kung fu fraud who he claims he beat up, he immediately finds that the style isn't working for him. Then when challenged about his account of the fight, he shut down his dojo and left town.

For as confidant as Bruce was known to be, he seemed very averse to public fights. He knew that he had everything to lose if people saw him lose a fight, because his film career was built so heavily around the mythology and the mysticism

>BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOY

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That's your interpretation at least, I don't see it that way.

>>stop producing films to fight some no-name whelp who lied about the first fights result
This was 1964, he hadn't even been on TV yet.

kek

perfectionism

This is your average tarantino manchild fanboy

>THE FUNERAL IS ABOUT TO BEGIN SIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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What happened in real life is that Bruce Lee huffs his own farts and was a total prima donna. They brought in a big white judoka to man handle him to take him down a peg.
While Tarantino strays a little from what actually happened it's well within creative licsense. Stop believing Lee's homegrown marketing.

I mean, I can't read his mind from back then, but if you look at everything he said and did and what people have said about him over the years, it seems like a reasonable take on his personality.

DIS YOR AH AVARAGU TANTINO MACHILDU FANBOYU

>WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING BOY

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>Bruce Lees only recorded fight was a loss

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I understand your position in a sense. Are you saying that nobody should be upset about an obvious fictional and provocative misrepresentation of a person? In what circumstances would such an "opinion" article be appropriate then? The way you put in, probably none? I find that hard to swallow. Simply put, we're dealing with fiction here that's consumed by the public, for better or worse, and he's supplying his opinion and views on the matter.

Read the latest biography that came out recently, you can see how that theory doesn't hold water. The reason he closed that school was that the Oakland branch of his schools wasn't bringing in enough money and it coincided with him being discovered by Hollywood. Makes sense he would close it considering that.

Tarantino best films are his first ones. Jackie Brown, Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Dogs, those are his calling cards. The absolute tripe Saturday morning cartoon wish fulfillment he produces now is unpalatable unless you are mentally retarded and need "da bear Jew" to beat a Nazi so your peepee can get hard.

His movies are best when they take place in more modern setting vs. stuff like Hateful 8 or Django. One reason this was better than most of his recent stuff.

This is actually a very common mentality with martial artists, the constant need to improve even in the face of success. It something only the most driven individuals will understand.

I want to know what his other fights were like if what made him realize the martial art he had been studying and using all those years was inadequate was that his hands hurt from punching a guy in the head too much

Why? He's dead. Who the fuck is this entire branch of people hating on a long dead actor, just because he may not have been a world class martial artist? None of these Hollywood putzez could compete either.

Just listen to Rogan talk about fake Leon do. He would beat you to death purely with kicks, but when he met other martial artists he saw huge gaps in his fighting style, even being world class at his own technique. There is no perfect style, that's some shit people who have never fought dream up, some naruto ninjuitsu super style that trumps all.

No. As I posted days before in another thread about the same exact topic, he has an opinion and a public platform to publish it. And he is upset, and reasonably so, because he's Lee´s friend. I have an opinion too, maybe badly worded because I'm tired of these absurds quarrels, and I posted it. My point is that I think that Abdul-Jabbar is deadly wrong about this because he's talking about a real human being (and a great action star, I dunno about his fighting credits because I'm not an expert) and then he judges a fucking caricature based on his affection and respect for the man, not the legend. And Tarantino is using the legend, not the real figure, and the purpose of that scene is to propel the characterization of his antagonist. Pitt character is a badass, but in the same vein of other Tarantino cuestionable character's morality, he's an straight out murderer and a racist. I love italian exploitation movies, and diCaprio talks about those movies as if they were all junk. Is it disrespectful? Not at all, because it's the opinion of a fucking character. The Bruce Lee scene is a memory from Pitt's character, not a statement about Lee's fighting abilities or demeanor. That's not disrepectful. That's how writing works.

Even more, Lee is seen later in a brief scene training Margott´s character and he is showed doing a good work and being lovable and motivational to Tate.