Just watched "Hotel Rwanda" and "The Last King of Scotland" and enjoyed them both tremendously.
Is there any more African kino? And by African kino I don't mean actual low budget shitty African films. I mean Hollywood/British films but set in Africa.
And just because I'm asking for African kino please don't recommend me "Watermelon Wars" or "Kentucky Fried Chicken Little" or whatever juvenile shit you're thinking of.
I want ACTUAL AFRICAN KINO. (preferably historical)
Thank you.
beast of no nation
who killed captain alex
Blood diamond
The Constant Gardener
The Ghost and the Darkness
Mountains of the Moon - if you can find it
The Gods Must be Crazy
Last King of Scotland
If you want some mercenary kino don't skip Dark of the Sun and The Wild Geese
Mr Bones
Lord of War
This. user thinks he's better than watching no budget native African films but there is more soul in them then most Hollywood trash.
The White Masai.
Black Panther
Zulu
Africa Addio, a nice mockumentary :)
Anons, how is "Catch a Fire"?
Why not watch the Idi Amin Dada Autoportrait?
Come to think of it, I should re-watch that one myself.
Empire of dust
Black hawk down
The African Queen
Zulu
George of the Jungle
don't have a kino recommendation but this is an absolutely compelling book
ZULU
or bong Rhodes tv show
Was going to recommend this. It's a great documentary made while he was still at the height of his power.
>The African Queen
Brilliant
filmed in Turkroach
swam in that lake no leeches
IS DA MOVIE
HE IS THE UGANDAN BRUCE LEE, WE CALL HIM BRUCE U.
Shame you never actually find out who killed Captain Alex though.
Congo
ask our Priti Patel UK MP , as her dad an mum wanted to be butchered eaten Hearts , pakis were the euro Jew then , they escaped by hiding diamonds up paki kids ass , an we tuck 50 k then
Siege of Jadotville
Seconded, Hochschild is a fantastic writer, his books are kino.
Shake hands with the Devil
This is an interesting film.
hiding diamonds up paki kids ass
Blood an stolen jewels from africans .
Not only was it made when he was still in power, it was made with his full cooperation. Here's a fun little story; the director made two cuts of the movie, one for Ugandan distribution and another for international, Idi Amin sent agents abroad to watch the international version and report back to him, after which he laid siege on the French embassy and gave them a telephone and threatened to kill them all if he didn't cut the offensive scenes. The craziest part is that, although I can't remember which scenes he demanded to be cut, I do remember that they didn't make any fucking sense or make the movie's portrayal of him any less comical or damning.
White Material
Definitely a kino book that everyone should read. It's fucking gruesome.
Makes random shit accusations as fact , has no Proof !
Crowd Roars , what a Cunt
is that this kino?
yes
The authentic Afrikino experience
And fictional.
they came worthless on landing like all idis pakis . then brought up ghettos .. those daughters must have held so much STOLEN AFRICAN Wealth , How Did your Parents buy 12 properties an still claim benefits then >?
CHINA IS RAPING AFRICA now cos they need rare material to make our shit
Blood diamond
Siege of jadotsville
Beast of no nation
ok retard
Only the numbers of dead around 10 million or more is fictional no good historian would ever treat it as a fact.
This
Beasts of No Nation is one of the best films of the decade, so I'd start there
khartoum is peak africa kino
Are you denying the 6+4 million? What are you, a Congocaust denier?
Seriously, why do people deny Leopold's crimes? It doesn't make any sense to defend him, even if you're a staunch Belgian nationalist. It's not like saying Leopold was evil debases Belgium or the Belgian people, since it was all him, his company and the cannibals they hired in the Force Publique. The Belgian government was against what he was doing, and things got better in Congo after the Belgian government took over from Leopold. So unless you're actually Leopold's ghost or descendant, there's no point in defending him.
Best enjoyed with this.
Literally because they're white nationalists and they see it as "an anti-white jew" trying to "push the narrative." They're retards.
It's not fictional, it's a rough estimate that is supported by the evidence we can gather about the time. Which you would know if you read the book, but you didn't.
Because 2+2=4.
Yankee Zulu
The Gods Must Be Crazy
Zulu
Lord of War
I can't believe we're finally having a decent thread about movies for once.
Not set in africa but blaxploitation movies from the 70's are way too great than they have any right to be. Great music, great atmosphere and a good inside view on the urban blacks of the era. I suggest super fly or shaft as a start.
I'm a Catholic monarchist
Trash
>Seriously, why do people deny Leopold's crimes?
because the claims of such are not supported by the data
Johnny Mad Dog
Africa Addio
Yes they are, retard.
Beau Travail
>t. hochschild
Coming to America
cry about it
i don't cry about fake genocides or the jewish political activists who propagate them. that's your area
You're literally just making wild claims with nothing to back up what you're saying, why would I take you seriously?
>wild claims
talk about the pot calling the kettle a nigger
Whites want to be credited for seizing lands but ultimately mythicize themselves as heroes through and through and do not want to acknowledge their devilish brutality on unsuspecting groups.
obviously meant for
Leopold's Ghost has a bibliography of citations from primary and secondary sources. You're just some /pol/tard on the internet.
Is that what professor Finkelwitz told you?
THIS, easily on my top 20 movies of this decade (2010-2019)
Ironically, it's your white nationalists and supremacist brethren that make such a brutal reality far more likely than not.
i ask the same thing of hochschild
10 million were not killed. you were scammed. get over it
Make a claim or shut the fuck up /pol/babby
He made a claim, you semi-illiterate ape.
"Nuh uh" is not a claim worth taking seriously. Back it up with evidence or gtfo
Came here to post this
prove that 10 million congolese were deliberately tortured and killed by belgians, without relying on a single book written by a jewish political activist and founding editor of a leftist magazine
>/pol/babby
cringe
Shaking Hands With The Devil.
One of my favorite films ever. Same story as Hotel Rwanda but from the point of view of the UN forces commander who was trying to prevent it.
touki bouki and hyenas
the latter especially will blow you away
heard good things about yeleen as well but I still have to see it
Do you think you're being cute or are you actually retarded and think that's an "own" or something?
I really liked the Bones movies. If that's not the name, it's pretty close. It's a fairly solid fighting movie, main character was a good actor too.
It's not even known how many people lived there 10 million is pulled out someone's ass it's almost certainly an enormous miscalculation.
no i'm just asking for data supporting the claim that 10 million congolese were deliberately tortured and killed by belgians, as claimed by the jewish political activist hochschild
I think I can shed some light on what's happening ITT
pic related is some alt right dweeb named ryan faulk who ran/runs a "race realist" blog called "the alt hype" and did an article with some wildly false claims about the Congo Free State. /pol/ retards ate it up, /r/badhistory rightly dunked on it.
alt hype blog: archive.is
takedown:
archive.is
archive.is
tl;dr retards being retards
Africa adio
Goodbye uncle Tom
>/r/badhistory
WTF now I believe that a random guess is literally how many people died in some colony. HISTORY
Holy shit, based Ryan Faulk BTFO lefties. What cool gay lord.
But everyone already knew this if you just stop to thinking logical. Without white people around, blacks rape and slaughter each-other non-stop. With white people around, they still do that but they hold whitey responsible for their actions.
Congo is nothing but the natural negro behavior, seen countless of times in the past, and still observable in the present, but with white people as scapegoat.
I mean, they are kind of right. You can't expect negros to act like normal human beings on their own. It was the Belgian's fault for failing to civilize them.
>seethe
>i don't understand how something works so it must be magic
caveman ass nigga
>caveman ass nigga
back to twitter, subhuman
Look at you. Is there one thing you have done that is good?
Did you think this was all a game? "I will go to Yea Forums and I will play the sneedposter with the natives". Is that what you thought?
We are not a game, Reddit, we are real. This board, here, it is real.
I think your ban will be the first real thing that has happened to you.
They say it themselves there are many widely different rough estimates, it's impossible to know which one is, not even right but at least closer to reality. Therefore the 10 million claim can't be called more or less reliable than other estimates. Without a realistic estimates it can't be treated as historically reliable.
>it didn't happen, but if it did, they deserved it
cool yeah
seething caveman
seething twitter subhuman
"How much did you spend at the bar last night?"
"I don't know, I was pretty drunk. Maybe 100 dollars?"
"Oh, so 1 dollar?"
"What?"
"Well, it's impossible to know, therefore the 100 dollar claim isn't more or less reliable than other estimates."
hurr
>not being equally embarrassed your racism was logically defeated by reddit
>defeated by reddit
>zero documentation presented (because there isn't any, lol)
try again antiwhite scum
So this is the source behind all those loud books and articles claiming "THE FORGOTTEN GENOCIDAL MONARCH - LITERALLY MORE VICTIMS THAN [X]"? It just seems better?
>it's raining
>no it's not
>look outside there's literally rain coming down
>lol no there isn't
what's the point of someone like you?
They cut their own hands off because they didn't want to work and white people gave them free shit for it.
Imagine not what "estimating" is. Is it an autism thing or just a (you) thing? I mean, you COULD just read the book and follow up on the sources presented there. But that would require you to actually, you know, read a book.
>10 million were killed!
>-source?
>... racist!
you've literally been given the source several times ITT you dunce
>But that would require you to actually, you know, read a book
good idea. you should start with this one
I mean it was ten years before but Stanley's Trans-African expedition can still be a reliable indicator if we compare it to the periods with reliable data like the 1970s where the population was allegedly the same as it was before Congo Free State. The difference is that in the 20th century there were already many cities and post-colonial infrastructure, in the 19th century there were many local kingdoms ruling over several villages mostly around the great lakes.
maybe follow up with Mismeasure of Man ;)
hochschild is not a source
>gets btfo
>b-but muh bell curve
damn, what a cuck
>YOU GOT A SOURCE FOR THAT??//?
>NO NOT THAT SOURCE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE A SOURCE THAT DISPROVES WHAT I'M SAYING REEEEEE
ok convince to spend time on you
you mean the that book of fudged numbers also written by a jewish political activist?
Idi Amin is based and so are all other countersemitic Africans.
>the bible proves jesus walked on water
>takedown:
>archive.is
>>At a rate of 2.8 percent, a population would double in 35 years not 27, and at 2.3 percent, it would double in 43.5 years not 30.
This idiot literally can't even grasp gradeschool math like exponential growth? And nobody called out such an obvious mistake 700 updoots in alongside a bajillion compliments and "omg such amazing reading"? Not a very discerning audience, is it?
book of fudged numbers? we still talking about bell curve or something?
>JEWS ARE LITERALLY THE PEAK OF EVIL SOCIAL MANIPULATION
>unless they tell me I'm smarter than all the blacks, then they're a pretty cool guy
no, we're talking about (((gould's))) fradulent propaganda
>nytimes.com
What I didn't like about AltHype's video was how he went full denial on how the atrocities were revealed. "Well why would oppressors pose with their victims?" not realizing that they might've been just missionaries (and they were). But the main point that he made still stands and reddit couldn't refute this: it's impossible to know a concrete figure, the estimated range is very significant. Therefore everybody who keeps advertising their books about Leopold with 10 million is dishonest.
that's not what the book says. when you have to make things up it's a sign you've lost the argument, fyi
Africa Addio
>In his book, Dr. Gould contended that Morton’s results were “a patchwork of fudging and finagling in the clear interest of controlling a priori convictions.” This fudging was not deliberate, Dr. Gould said, but rather an instance of unconscious doctoring of data, a practice he believed was “rampant, endemic and unavoidable” in science. His finding is widely cited as an instance of scientific bias and fallibility.
>Morton’s results were neither fudged nor influenced by his convictions. They identified and remeasured half of the skulls used in his reports, finding that in only 2 percent of cases did Morton’s measurements differ significantly from their own. These errors either were random or gave a larger than accurate volume to African skulls, the reverse of the bias that Dr. Gould imputed to Morton.
>“These results falsify the claim that Morton physically mismeasured crania based on his a priori biases,” the Pennsylvania team writes.
> “Ironically, Gould’s own analysis of Morton is likely the stronger example of a bias influencing results,” the Pennsylvania team writes.
yikes
Yeah I'm not here to defend Alt Hype on all his stuff, like, Leopold's Congo is a weird hill to defend, but the guy usually does solid math.
Here's your sources champ:
An official belgian government commission in 919 estimated that from the time Stanley began laying the foundation of Leopold's state, the population of the territory had "been reduced by half": L. Guebels, "Relation complete des travaux de la Commission Permanente pour la Protection des Indigenes (Elisabethville: 1954), pp. 196-197
Major Charles C. Liebrechts, a top executive of the CFS admin for most of its existence, arrived at the same estimate in 1920: Liebrechts, Charles. "Congo: Suite a mes souvenirs d'Afrique." Brussels: Office de Publicite, 1920
Jan Vansina, professor emeritus of history and anthropology at the University of Wisconsin and ethnographer of Congo basin peoples estimate is the same, between 1880 and 1920 the population of the Congo was cut "by at least a half." Vansina, introduction to Vangroenweghe, p.10
Only in the 1920s were the first attempts made at a territory-wide census. In 1924 the population was reckoned at ten million, a figure confirmed by later counts: La Question sociale au Congo: Rapport au comite du congres colonial national (Brussels: Goemaere, 1924) p. 101
There you go. Several sources, none of which are Hochshchild.
>the guy usually does solid math.
well he didn't do it here lol
"A Good Man in Africa" and "White Hunter, Black Heart" are both fantastic and underwatched.
thanks
np bud I'm glad you're taking an interest in history and anthropology, I think that's a constructive use of your time.
Kino.
Because he didn't commit any. In fact, he convened conferences to discuss what could be done. One of the most compelling aspects of both Heart of Darkness and the real life parallel it may not have been based on but closely resembled (see Sven Lindqvist's Exterminate All The Brutes) was that there was no reaching Kurtz on his cellie.
919 should obviously read 1919, I need a new keyboard.
If anything's wrong there it's the assumptions, not the math. He chooses ones to generate the lowest number he can come up with 'cuz that's how you do rhetoric, just like the people who want to draw different conclusions make assumptions to generate higher numbers, but in lieu of actual data it's as valid as any other assumptions.
MOVIE
MOVIE
MOVIE
Yeah, if it wasn't for whites, no African would ever kill or enslave another African.
>he convened conferences to discuss what could be done
This is literally royalist propaganda. Under international scrutiny, Leopold was careful to cultivate an image of benevolence. He created a sham Commission for the Protection of the Natives in response to his critics in the 1890s:
>Publicly ... Leopold took the high road, pronouncing himself deeply shocked at reports of misdeeds in his domain. Most accusations he was able to survive with little damage, for they concerned atrocities committed against Africans. But in 1895 he aced his first real trouble in Europe when a particularly brutal Congo state officer, as one shocked British journalist put it, "dared to kill an Englishman."
>Leopold had to act. In 1896 he appointed the Commission for the Protection of the Natives: six prominent Congo missionaries, three of them Belgian Catholics, three foreign Protestants. ...Few people noticed that none of the commission members was based in any of the prime rubber areas where the atrocity reports were coming from; that the commissioners were scattered over more than a thousnad miles; that the king had provided no money for them to travel to meetings; that one of the British members had previously advised his fellow missionaries against publishing any atrocity stories; that another had surveyed the Congo-Angola frontier for Leopold; and that the commission had no power whatever except to "inform" the Congo state authorities about abuses.
>The commission met only twice, and each time, because of distance and expense, only three of the six members managed to attend. But for Leopold, the move was a public relations coup, and he cemented his triumph with visits to England, Germany, and Sweden in the summer of 1897. For the next few years Britons were distracted by the Boer War, and attacks on Leopold almost completely disappeared from the European press.
>in lieu of actual data it's as valid as any other assumptions.
One: no it's not. Two: we have actual data which contradicts Faulk's claims so the point is moot anyway.
Cobra Verde
youtu.be
King Solomon's Mine (1950)
The Ghost and the Darkness
Mogambo
The African Queen
Congo
the only african kino anyone needs
This
Tell me, what's the difference between myself killing you, killing you and your entire family, killing you and all of your friends and family, and killing you, your friends, family, and most of any acquaintance you've ever had in your life. The difference is a thing called scale and it's always a significant factor in the amount of pain someone experiences.
Angelus vs Diabolos
youtube.com
You can't "logically" prove that 2+2=5
I'm going blind just looking at that stuff.
Data collected afterwards is data collected afterwards, it's irrelevant. The assumption that population was reduced by half is still an assumption. Could've been reduced by half. Could've been reduced by two-thirds. Could've been reduced by a third.
Apparently, we have better data on how many people were killed by the black plague than we have on how many were killed in this much more recent case. That's not very good data.
After Leopold was exposed for bribing American lawyer Colonel Henry I. Kowalsky to, among other things, quash negative American media pieces on the monarch, Leopold formed the Commission of Inquiry:
>To his new Commission of Inquiry, he appointed three judges: one Belgian, one Swiss, and one Italian. The commission, however, was not as neutral as it appeared. The Italian, Baron Giacomo Nisco, worked not in Italy, but in the Congo state as chief judge. It was he, in fact, who in the notorious Caudron case had reduced the prisoner's sentence on grounds that a certain amount of "force" and "terror" was unavoidable. Furthermore, none of the three judges knew any African language or even enough English to talk directly to the highly critical British and American missionaries. The commission was told to hold hearings, hear witnesses, and issue a report.
>...The commission spent several months taking 370 depositions. ...One of the most impressive was Chief Lontulu of Bolima, who had been flogged with the chicotte, held hostage, and sent to work in chains. When his turn came to testify, Lontulu laid 110 twigs on the commission's table, each representing one of his people killed in the quest for rubber. He divided the twigs into four piles: tribal nobles, men, women, children. Twig by twig, he named the dead.
>...Leopold did not realize what effect [the testimony] was having on the commissioners. Then, in March 1905, from the Congo's capital at Boma came a curious warning signal that all might not turn out well for the king. Paul Costermans, the territory's acting governer general and, to the extent possible for a person high up in such a system, a man of personal integrity, was briefed on the commission's findings. He then alarmed his aides by plunging into a deep depression. Some two weeks later, after writing a series of farewell letters, he slit his throat with a razor.
cont...
>Another bad omen for Leopold was the news that one of the judges, while listening to a succession of witnesses with atrocity stories, had broken down and wept... to his horror what was intended to be a sham investigation had slipped out of his control and become a real one.
>On their return to Europe, the commissioners deliberated and produced a 150-page report. Even though it was couched in bland and bureaucratic language, Leopold saw that it repeated almost every major criticism made by Casement and Morel. He was furious. By the fall of 1905, he could no longer delay publication of the report that all Europe was waiting for... But Leopold had one more trick up his sleeve, perhaps the most dazzling stroke of showmanship in his long career.
>...On November 3, 1905, the day before the Commission of Inquiry report was scheduled for release, every major paper in England received a document with a cover letter explaining that it was a "complete and authentic resume of the report." This timely and helpful summary came from the West African Missionary Association, which surely sounded reliable. Missionaries, after all, had been among the Congo state's most consistent critics. Most conveniently of all, the summary was in English.
>Delighted, nearly all the British newspapers published the summary, thinking they were getting a one-day jump on the big news of the week. The Associated Press transmitted the summary to the United States, where it was also picked up by major newspapers. Only during the next few days, as reporters and editors had time to read the full text of the report in French, did they realize that the so-called summary had little to do with the report. Again and again it took major points in the report and "summarized" them beyond recognition.
cont...
>For example, where the report said, "We have ourselves described the disastrous effects of porterage, and shown that the excessive labor imposed on the natives in the neighborhood of certain important posts had the effect of depopulating the country," the summary said. "In order to avoid the regrettable consequences of [porterage] while awaiting the building of railways, the Commission suggests that the waterways be utilized."
>And what, the journalists began to wonder, was the West African Missionary Association? They were able to trace it to the office of a London lawyer, but he refused to reveal the address of his client. A day or two later, relenting, he directed questioners to a one-room office across the street, with a freshly painted sign on the door. It was occupied only by a watchman. The lawyer then produced a list of the association's board members, but none of those whom reporters were able to reach had ever attended a meeting. Further investigation revealed that the "summary" had been brought to England by a Belgian priest to whose church Leopold had recently made a large donation. The West African Missionary Association, never heard from before publishing its influential summary, would never be heard from again.
>Data collected afterwards is data collected afterwards, it's irrelevant.
The 400 year old field of Anthropology BTFO, now THIS is epic.
>The assumption that population was reduced by half is still an assumption. Could've been reduced by half. Could've been reduced by two-thirds. Could've been reduced by a third.
I've literally provided you sources about census data taken. Just because it's an estimate doesn't mean it's arbitrary. How are you not getting this? Are you stupid or are you just willfully ignorant because you have to stan for the Belgian Congo for some inscrutable reason?
>Apparently, we have better data on how many people were killed by the black plague than we have on how many were killed in this much more recent case.
Wow, implying that eurocentrism leads to atrocities committed on africans being glossed over by history??? SJW much/?????
Fucking kill yourself dude. Honestly.
>stan
Okay, now we know for a fact you are mentally ill.
Exactly, get BTFO and just seethe, bitch. Cry.
the secret gardener
>It's a "/pol/ gets blown out with facts and logic backed up by sources" episode
comfy
>samefagging
cringe
have sex
Yea Forums - Congo Free State Discussion
Idi Amin was a smart man. Insane, but smart. Because he knew if he was portraying himself as a goofball, the UN would leave him alone.
Why so asshurt my dude?
>come into thread to make a joke about tv discussing the Congo Free State
>get accused of being asshurt
what did he mean by this?
this
Give "Addio Africa" a watch.
>it didn't happen, but if it did, they deserved it
Of course it happened. Of course it's still happening. It's the negro nature.
Nothing can be done about it.
ok cuck
Damn not even a single (you)? It's the obvious movie to watch next.
If Yea Forums is the only board that allows me to enjoy a warlord thread, I'll cosign. /his/ and /k/ would've shit this up by now