With shit like this. Lucas made movies set BEFORE the OT, have more advanced technology. Everything in the PT looks slick, smoother, more developed. This shits all over the continuity of the OT being in the future (technology doesn't get bulkier, dustier, more primative).
So by that standard, it's impossible to make sequels to OT look too advanced, because they'll look like the prequels, which are supposed to be before the OT.
Face it, the PT should've been SEQUELS. Everything in it screams post-OT. Everything. Designs, ships, advanced lightsaber duels/techniques. Humor. Costumes. Displays. Everything. Take the Anakin story and make it about someone new and they would've been perfect.
Go fuck yourself i take georges autistic space romance over nuwars any day off the week
Kevin Richardson
>technology doesn't get bulkier, dustier, more primative says who? you? we went from flip phones to smart phones and now doubling back to flip phones again
Oliver Gonzalez
That spaceship was the queen's royal ship. Of course it's sleek as fuck.
Nathan Clark
Plus, any SW movies being released now could've either been sequels to those 2000-era sequels, a new story entirely, or even first-time prequels. Again, the movies we're getting now seem like they should've been prequels (old tech, obsession with the old characters), while the actual PT seem like they should've been sequels.
The PT fucked everything up and now it's a legion of talentless hacks scrambling to unfuck it. But they can't. They can't go too futuristic, yet they can't go too old school.
Ryder Sullivan
KYLE KATARN
Levi Perez
They're both trash. Prequels just have slightly less garbage juice. George fucked up and you're just seeing the fruits of it now. He should've keep the designs consistent, but he couldn't help himself as usual.
>says who? Says history. Don't play dumb. Compare computers now to those in the 1960s. And aircraft, more relevantly, since we're talking spacecraft.
>That spaceship was the queen's royal ship. More faggots playing stupid. Almost every ship in the supposed prequels looks more advanced than the OT. And almost every building looks like it's from a more advanced civilization. It fucks with the continuity.
That's the point though. We see the republic at it's absolute peak with stanle rule over whatnot how many planets. The empire is an authoritarian shithole in constant war.
Ayden Lee
>Rome ruined the future by being more advanced than the christian dark ages This is your argument.
Isaiah Moore
royal=/=anachronistically advanced. thats like saying queen elizabeth's royal carriage in 1954 should be more advanced than a 2020 Mercedes.
Sebastian Sanders
Those ships aren't as sleek as the royal ship, which goes to prove my point, so thanks for proving me right. They're not pieces of junk because they're not owned by some lowlife smuggler or a part of some ragtag rebellion. They're the royal fucking fleet. Your complaints are 100% invalid. It's like if I posted some picture of a major office building from the 1970s, and its sleek design, then contrasted it with some meth house in Detroit from the 2010s, and went "BUW WUH WHY TECHNOLOGY GO BACKWARDS HERP DERP." You're just being a retard.
Ayden Allen
You should look at 50's and 60's car designs vs 70's and 80's car designs.
Adam Ross
Right, so in a better analogy, old cars cant possibly look more stylish than modern ones?
James Turner
Prequels are great, kill yourself disney nigger.
Camden Gomez
No, it's be like comparing a 1956 Rolls-Royce in pristine condition to some beat up piece of shit car from 10 years ago that someone bought today on Craigslist for 100 bucks. Was Anakin's podracer "sleek?" Fuck no. It looks like a piece of shit because that's what it is.
>almost every building looks like it's from a more advanced civilization that's because most urban scenes in the ST take place on Tatooine
Jaxson Sanders
>The empire is an authoritarian shithole in constant war. Not true, the Rebellion was too small to be in a constant state of warfare with the Imperial military. 99% of worlds controlled by the Empire didn't even see a Rebel presence until after the Empire fell.
Isaiah Morales
Which is relative to timeframe between the PT and the current ST. You have no argument. Even now, between the late 1980s and today - that's just 30 years - technology has gotten sleeker, smoother, and smaller. Where's your argument.
Heard this reasoning before. You're usig real-world logic, but that very logic doesn't work in the real world, because multiple planets are involved. It's not a country. The technology looks more advanced across the entire universe in the PT, then in the OT, looks more archaic across multiple planets. Doesn't work or make any sense. That's why this fag's argument:
Doesn't work. Rome is a single region/country. Not every counrty had Rome's technology. And even then, it'd be like whatever EMPIRE succeeded Rome having worse technology. That didn't happen, because it doesn't happen. George fucked up.
The prequels, should've been sequels. All those characters. Dooku. General Greivous, should've been in the future. Grevious even looks like he's from after the OT. If you say otherwise, you're lying lmao.
Who said stylish. More advanced. Don't try to twist it.
Yeaaaaaah, except we're talking military grade vehicles vs military grade vehicles. >whatabout a top tier luxury car vs some modern banger, doe?! lmao. You guys love to lie and play dumb. There's no way a military aircraft from the past looks more advanced and has better HUDs than military aircraft from the future, across all regions.
Exactly. Whenever the tech topic comes up, you always here that argument.
Tyler Foster
WOW THAT CAR IS SO SHINY IT MUST BE USING ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY!
Michael Howard
>Streamlined aesthetics mean more advanced. Full retard.
Samuel Baker
>THE SEQUELS BEING BAD IS ALL GEORGE LUCAS' fault nice try mouse The designs in the OT look more rugged and scrappy because we follow rebels, instead of actual royalty and a galactic-wide government. Even in the OT, imperial environments still look sleek and advanced, consult Exhibit A in my picture for example. The environments in the Prequels are completely different, and take place in the galactic capitals, while the OT takes place on the outskirts of the galaxy. Its due to a difference in setting, not difference in technology. >Everything in the PT looks slick, smoother, more developed Wrong. Environments like Coruscant and Naboo look sleek, because like i said its capitals of the galaxy, fighters and tanks still look bulky and primitive, just look at Ex 2 of my picture. The only exception is the naboo starfighter, which is fine, considering its the royal guard. >Everything in it screams post-OT. Everything. Designs, ships, [...]. Humor. Costumes. Displays. Everything. Wrong. The designs like the civilian ships look different, because it was a different era. George has said in the past that the prequel designs were influenced by the 50's to 70's attempts at futuristic designs. Look at Ex 3, and it makes sense. You just think that everything looks more advanced because we barely if at all spend time away from the galactic elite. Once again difference in setting, not technology. >advanced lightsaber duels/techniques Once again, it makes perfect sense. Techniques in the prequels are more artistic and sophisticated because this was a long time of peace, negating any use for aggressive forms, you can find the same thing in shaolin monk teachings, which have a lot of aggressive and combat focussed forms developed during war times, but more peaceful forms, focussed on breathing exercises and meditation in peace time.
>Indian 21st century street shitting superpower by 2020
Xavier Gray
We're talking about a Republic that ran everything versus a Rebellion that has to hide in caves on an ice planet using whatever technology they can scrap together. Of course the Rebellion will look junkier than the Republic. They're literally using junk to fight. Meanwhile, compare the Empire to the Republic. The Empire's ships don't look tattered and worn down. They have a really oppressive look to them because the Empire itself is really oppressive. The Death Star is literally smoother than anything the Republic ever had because it's a fucking sphere.
>Who said stylish. More advanced. Don't try to twist it.
The word was "sleek" though? That means stylish?
Leo Clark
Who said "nice"? If you guys lie and obfuscate this much over fiction, even when it's obvious that you're wrong and history points out you're wrong, I'd hate to see you talk about actual important shit lmao.
If the dash in that Rolls looked like pic related, then modern cars looked less advanced, you'd have an argument, but you don't. That''s exactly the difference between the PT and the OT.
man i fucking hate the prequels but this image is really nice
Zachary Ross
Yes, I agree, is a retard for saying they had "more advanced technology" just because their ships were shinier.
Justin Stewart
Not him but calling bullshit because you were comparing the outsides of ships, and when he did the same with cars, you're now like "oh it's what's on the inside that counts!" Except the inside of Padme's ship isn't anything special. You don't see any technology more advanced than anything in the original trilogy.
>If the dash in that Rolls looked like pic related, then modern cars looked less advanced, you'd have an argument, but you don't. That''s exactly the difference between the PT and the OT. Show us an example of PT technology actually being more advanced than OT technology and not just "looks slick, smoother, more developed".
Owen Ross
Middleages were more advanced than rome. All that dark age bullshit were invented by salty jews
Hunter Cruz
>Lucas made movies set BEFORE the OT, have more advanced technology. Everything in the PT looks slick, smoother, more developed. You do realize that something isn't automatically more advanced just because it has more round parts and less corners?
Lucas Perry
Retard, that was just the style at the time. It makes sense that after the galactic senate falls and is replaced with an autocratic dictatorship that mainstream design would take on a more pragmatic look. There's plenty of real world examples of old technology looking more futuristic than modern technology.
>The sequels suck because of George! Your shit talking didn't work when defending the stupid shit in TLJ, won't work here shill. >advanced lightsaber duels/techniques. Did you finish episode 3? How many force users survived?
Lincoln Parker
Tech looks worse and bulkier across the entire galaxy in the OT, though. You could take the Rebels out of the equation and the point still stands. Almost everywhere you look in the prequels, the technology is better. Then suddenly, everywhere, it's bulkier and worse. No amount of mental yoga will change the fact it doesn't happen.
Look at all that straw. And you somehow still cannot explain (with shots from the actual movie) how the technology was more advance in the prequels. You can base designs on 50s and 60s cars all you want but the INSIDE of those cars would still be more primative than later developed care of the same (military grade) caliber. That's not the case moving from the PT to the OT.
It's also laughable as fuck. "the PT was based on 50s to 70s!" So was the OT. -- It was made in the 70s. The 50s to 70s were the only references they had! lol.
Look at this pic. There's nothing that advanced in the OT. Stop lying.
>And even then, it'd be like whatever EMPIRE succeeded Rome having worse technology. That didn't happen, because it doesn't happen
That's exactly what happened you fucking moron. Rome fell because of invading goths and other degenerates and Rome's technological and architectural wonders fell into disrepair because the new powers didn't understand how to maintain them.
Connor Smith
Yeah, except I'm not defending TLJ or the ST. They're shit too. You faggots are mental midgets.
Isaac Nelson
okay, okay guys, guys what if. guys listen. listen what if. guys what if different planets, different civilizations had different concepts of beauty and designed their vehicles accordingly? One world likes shiny and chrome and another likes bulk and thick pipes?
Kevin Baker
You are wrong and stupid. Tatooine looks appropriately dirty and used. Naboo and Coruscant and other prosperous planets in the Republic look appropriately clean and beautiful.
In the OT, we pretty much only see dingy backwater planets like Dagobah, Hoth, etc where civilization is not thriving, AND this is after a galactic war that devastated the previous republic.
Faggot Disney shills STILL trying to make the ST look good by shitting on the objectively superior and actual canon PT.
Bentley Campbell
>That's exactly what happened you fucking moron.
Name a world (world conquering) Empire after Rome that had worse technology. Now who's the moron.
Ryder Gutierrez
Those ships could very well be like the 57 while the OT is the mid 80s.
Cameron Stewart
57 chevy
Carter Cox
At least we can all agree that both George and Disney dropped the ball when it comes to alien vegetation. Why does every planet have green plants? Felucia is like the only exception.
Carter Rivera
>it uses a shitty touch screen therefore it's more advanced
Touch screens are shit and it's absurd to use them for something critical like flying a spaceship.
Landon Cook
A lot of the ships are smoother and have shit like LCD displays in the PT. Yet you whiny bitches try to squirm and wriggle out of it be with bullshit reasons to maintain your limp hard-ons for your childhood favorites. That's all it comes down to.
Caleb Morgan
>if you think the prequels are shit, that means you must automatically like the sequels This is the reasoning of a literal child. Newsflash niggers, starshit has always been trash
Grayson Garcia
>Why does every planet have green plants? budget
Luke Jones
What technology is more advanced in the PT exactly? The technology is all the same, it's just more dirty and used in the OT, which makes sense since it's after the clone wars and the fall of the republic.
You Lost Billions Disney, As Much As Gillette lost I'd Imagine.
Ayden Gonzalez
Show me a 57 Chevy with more advanced tech in its dashboard than a 2019 Chevy.
Parker Nelson
>muh naboo fighter cockpit lol retard, literally the only stylistic difference between the naboo fighter cockpit controls and those of the x-wing or tie fighter is that the display screens are round instead of square. Imagine trying this hard to shit talk something you know absolutely nothing about.
actually look at the car part of his podracer. it looks kinda dingy but that's a very sleek shape
Ethan Barnes
Didn't conquer the world like Rome. The only answer is Britainnia. And they were more advanced than Rome.
Lucas Scott
I suppose I forgot about the displays and everything, but it could be equivalent of a 50s car with chrome trim and nice dials vs an 80s car with plastic trim and digital displays. It's not necessarily a downgrade in technology but definitely can look worse.
Oliver Young
middle ages lost the formula for making concrete, as well as gunpowder (or "greek fire").
Samuel Barnes
Now just paint it chrome and it'll develop advanced ai.
Jaxson Lopez
The point is that the galaxy decayed under the empire when it had been prosperous under the republic. This shit happens in real life all the time. Venezuela was a prosperous nation with the largest oil reserves in the world, didn't stop the collapse of its socialist system from turning it into an impoverished wasteland where people were forced to hunt zoo animals to survive.
You can look at Cuba too. The rise of Castro and resulting trade embargoes have meant that for almost 60 years the only cars they have access to are 50s and earlier. It's a whole nation of people driving vehicles that are 2-3 generations behind aesthetically and technologically. Exactly what's happening in the OT, stagnation and regression.
How much of a fucking retard do you have to be to believe this is a valid criticism?
Noah Nguyen
The Mongols conquered more of the world than Rome.
Ayden Ward
They use the same exact droids too, they're just crummier and older in the OT because of the decay.
Chase Bailey
When people pointed out the dumb shit in the sequels, shills would reply bashing the other movies. The designs were one of the few good things in the prequels.
Lucas Johnson
First of all, their mega-engineering clearly gets a lot better: Death Star, bigger Death Star and then Starkiller base.
Ships get bigger: Venator, super-stardestroyer and then Supremacy.
Going out on a limb, Anakin's pod-racer needs more tech because it's an atmospheric vehicle flying very close to the ground. I'd want ground-following radar if I were him. In space, things are probably a bit simpler. In 4, the astromech units probably do a lot of the nitty-gritty stuff so the pilot can focus on flying. Instrument panels don't need to be so advanced if you have on-ship AI. The pilot just needs to fly, they don't need to worry about mechanical details.
Christopher Ortiz
That's an multi-color, triple LCD display. Now look at the original X-Wing cockpit with its single-screen, mono-color, TUBE TV display. You're not helping your argument.
It makes sense in the continuity; the Empire is supposed to be a harsh, repressive regime. They don't care about making stuff aesthetically pleasing, or giving the average person access to better technology. Your issues are based off the mistaken assumption that time = progress, and that older times could never be more advanced than more recent ones, and that sliding back is impossible.
Also, the Empire rose out of a galaxy wide war, and they clearly care more about control than they do about rebuilding. If people live in squalor but they're easier to control, all the better.
Dylan Ortiz
He can’t because he cant read movies. Things like hyperdrives being gradually miniaturized went way past his notice.
James Collins
It's pretty clear this thread is just the OP arguing with a bunch of different anons who don't agree with him, and the OP will never admit he's wrong, so fuck this, I'm out.
Justin Perez
That's a proper vector display which is what you would want for something like that.
Isaiah Rodriguez
>"I can't belive that a ship owned by royalty is prettier than military shpis owned by a rebellion" Mouthbreather
Ryder Price
Apple really tried didnt they
Benjamin Price
An mostly empty region of Russia with tiny coutries like Japan for less than 300 years =/= most of the world let alone an Empire. lmao. Laughable. Rome lasted near 1,500 years. Brittania is only died down recently from the Middle Ages. "mongols" lmao.
You know that British Empire took over after Rome and you avoiding saying that because it'd fuck your argument up about technology getting worse. Nice try.
Jace Sanders
The prequels just happened to focus mostly on more wealthy parts of the galaxy, while the OT was just rebels hiding out on poor backwater planets. Tattooine for example was just as much of a shithole in the prequels as it was in the OT.
Wyatt Cox
i think the general idea there was that violent social collapse was causing technological loss. civilizations expand and contract, and in the case of violent falls, knowledge can be lost.
the most glaring and obvious example is the fall of rome and classical civilization into the dark ages. and it took over 1k years to regain a lot of that technology. i think this is probably part of what goerge was going for by making the prequels slick and advanced. the civilization was in a much better state, and then rule by a despot was causing it to decay over time (granted in real life it takes 100s of yerars, not like 20)
Asher Jackson
I think the sleek chrome aesthetic is a throwback to oldschool planes and 1950s cars
>Brittania is only died down recently from the Middle Ages Learn English, Ivan.
Cameron Smith
> single-screen, mono-color, TUBE TV display. Bup-bow, you just outed yourself zoomer. Both the empire and rebels have double and tri-colored targeting scopes. Maybe you should actually watch the OT some time instead of running your mouth about it like a faggot? youtube.com/watch?v=flemAAZyZgY youtube.com/watch?v=zR7CeC-rqiE
I know. I actually like the designs. But that's not the point.
Military grade vs Military grade, the PT is more advanced. End of story. We're not talking about podracers. We're talking designs, cockpits, general tech. I will concede, though, that the battleships increased in size. Definitely. I can't argue against that at all.
Jayden Phillips
Naboo is also an elitist royalist society with a fucking tiny army, of course their shit is going to be artisanal as fuck. As soon as the clone wars start all we ever get is increasingly industrialized designs: utilitarian stuff that paved the way for the OT, with its Cold War aesthetics
Oliver Rodriguez
OP is largely correct but the problem lies deeper than that. It is that Star Wars in inherently stupid and non-sensical. 4-6 make no sense purely technology wise; targeting screens, non-automated ships or turrets with perfect targeting, blasters which are worse than our own weapons. Of course prequels are gonna have more advanced technology, because making technology worse would mean that people would basically live in caves.
Ian Cruz
I take it you know nothing about cars lmao
Julian Adams
small ships don’t have hyperdrives in the prequels. Obi wan has to use a special pod to take him to places.
Austin Collins
>An mostly empty region of Russia with tiny coutries like Japan for less than 300 years Are you retarded? They conquered China, the most populous and at the time prosperous country in the world. Then they went to the middle east , at the time also very powerful and rich, and took that. And incidentally Japan is one of the few places they didn't conquer. And if your argument is that they only lasted 300 years, your example of the british empire doesn't hold up either. That lasted from the 1600s to the 1900s. Guess how long that is.
James Wood
Im pretty sure theres a wookiepedia article about this subject out there
Camden Kelly
OT has straight lines to emphasize the facist empire taking over and preventing growth and a more industrial design to empahasize mass produced world.
PT has more curves lines to empahsize the facists havent taken over yet and the world is more hand made
Kayden Bell
No we're not.
Kevin Torres
OP has a strong thesis. Prequels look like they are from the future Lucas fucked up, but this doesn't excuse nuwars for anything. They are ignoring prequels. Star wars just honestly was never that good to begin with.
Liam Murphy
Yes. OP is disabled.
Nathan Scott
Also this. There is the infamous diner to confirm.
Mason Peterson
>And you somehow still cannot explain (with shots from the actual movie) how the technology was more advance in the prequels. what the fuck? You have yet to explain why technology is more advanced in the prequels. Your entire argument was based on how the prequels are more advanced because the designs are more sleek and smoother, and i explained to you in detail how thats disingenuous, as the only things that look sleek and modern are the enviroments and ships that are used by the high rise elite, such as actual royalty, which we see most of the time because the prequels are an entirely different setting when compared to the OT, while the few scenes we have of the elite in the OT, namely the interiors of the empire, do still look advanced and sleek. The actual fighters and tanks in the PT look more primitive or en par with the OT, with some being bulkier, having wheels or giant thrusters. Also i don't know what you're talking about with shots from the movie, i literally posted a pic with examples from the movies. And here once again, your only argument is that it has a picture of a fancy screen. Pic related is the interior of an aston martin lagonda. Looks pretty futuristic and advanced right? Well its from the 80s.
Lucas based with ship designs in the PT off the golden age of flight in the 1930's.
The ship designs in the OT were more or less shaped after less aerodynamically looking aircraft, akin to fighters that starting in the 70's were computer assisted controlled and less aerodynamically pleasing.
