In retrospect this movie was fucking awesome

>In retrospect
>not enjoying it from opening night.

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Please user. I wanted to watch something new tonight and you're just making me want to re-watch episode 1.

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Good designs and music. Everything else is garbage.
>jedi narutospeed

>something paranormal to me in this poster, it gives me a weird sensation that no other
I've had it up for 20 years

Episode I has always been the best prequal. People only say Episode III because of the memes. Had Lucas been steadfast in his postion about the length of Episode III it may have been as good/better than I, but III is way more of a kids movie than I.

yeah that was stupid especially since obi wan should have used it in the final battle to get to qui gon faster

you must go through de planet corre

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this guy was so based

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I have never intentionally watched one scene of soi wars.

Maybe you should read through this thread where some guy in the thread is still trying to argue the Disney Trilogy is better than the prequels:

What have you intentionally watched?

Just do it.

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OT is worth watching once just because the amazing work they did at the time with the effects and sound design / music

the rest can be ignored

It's absolute shit on every level and ruined the next 2 movies for failing to establish a proper setting. The idea that a trade federation could rival the entire rest of the known galaxy is beyond retarded, even for Star Wars. Their LEADERS invite two JEDI on board their ship. Just kill the faggots.

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I am a lucas fanboy but c'mon the Phantom Menace is fucking shit

What game, kek?

its a ratfuck shill, ignore and report

It's a mixed bag. No Disney SW is better than Ep. III and TLJ for sure is worse than the worst prequel, but I'd rather re-watch TFA than Attack of the Clones.

youtube.com/watch?v=7GLAvQdCcIM

It's a pretty cozy adventure film.

Imagine being so contrarian you pretend that the Star Wars prequels are good.

>being too stupid to understand star wars.

AofC is only good for Geonosis.

Luke was invited into the Emperor's chambers and he took a shot. The two dudes in ep. 1 had no real guards and no powers. They didn't even know they were hosting Jedi. Just kill them and end the Star War.

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>"oh boy space taxes and trade embargoes! "
>"what a great premise for a scifi adventure movie!"

Again
>being too stupid to understand star wars

cringe

It's just a bunch of CGI crap and you can't tell what's happening. Why do they need ground troops in the first place? It's just a desert planet with a bunch of bugs. They didn't have any Ion cannons. Do orbital bombardments.

>no ultimately good or bad side in the conflict

Yeah those Chinamen who brutally invaded a peaceful planet because some guy in a hood told there would be a bunch of money in it for them totally weren't bad guys

Imagine being so out of date you think prequel hate is a valid argument for claiming the Disney sequels are good.

Disney shills have entered the thread

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Trade federations carry an obligation to earn money. What else would they use their galaxy-conquering army of droids for?

>being too stupid for star wars

The only bad guy was the dude in the hood. Trade Fed didn’t done nothing.

>Plinkett review summarized:
>"it doesn't make any sense"
>it actually makes sense

Maybe people from Milwaukee are just dumb

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>m-muh sequels!
Prequel fags are so pathetic. I didn't even mention the sequel trilogy and you still bring it up. Nu-Wars doesn't change the fact that nobody likes these boring ass prequels that killed the franchise.

>shill still stuck in denial

>nobody likes these boring ass prequels that killed the franchise.
right below which defends the prequels

B R A V O

>boring ass
Are you a nigger or do you just play one on the internet?

cringe, stop.

Have sex

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>you said something I don't agree with
>y-you're just a shill!
Christ you prequel fags are dumb.

How the Golden age of star wars killed the franchise that even Disney wanted to buy so badly?

With your sisters cunt?

Unironically the score and lightsabre fight scenes are probably the best of any of the films.

At least they're not shills like you

I don't get why you guys love defending movies that nobody, not even fans of the series, like. Not only that but you weirdly try to rewrite history and pretend like everyone thought it was good all along . It just screams of insecure prequel fag cope.

Your post just screams zoomer. Yikes.

I dont give a fuck what you or anyone else thinks of them. I always liked them and always will.

> three people we don't give a fuck about do a super clean choreography and occasionally jump around
> best lightsaber fight

I would take Luke bashing Vader with his lightsaber in anger any day, choreography and set pieces don't mean shit if the fight isn't engaging in the first place.

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It's my favorite of the prequels, but it has plenty of stupid shit in it. Anakin being part of a prophecy will always be an awful and useless retcon.

>I don't get why you guys love defending movies that nobody, not even fans of the series, like.
>nobody, not even fans of the series, like.
>A thread where fans of the series like the prequels is proof that nobody likes the prequels

That's brainlet tier thinking right there

Zoomer shill thinking someone's post just screams zoomer. Sad!

Some of the blocking/choreography in RotJ's duel is kind of awkward. The story stuff is all great, but I think the duel in Empire was significantly better.

I could tell you a million reasons why eating shit is probably not a good idea and how it is bad for you and why most people don't enjoy it, but I can't force you to not enjoy eating shit. So by all means, eat shit and enjoy it, but don't get butthurt when someone stares or tries to stop you or tell you why it's not good.

The prequels and sequels are both shit, and they have overlapping problems.

If you weren't a zoomer you'd realize why your post is so wrong. But you don't and you just scream shill like a brainlet. You're not helping your case.

I could give you a reason why you always automatically think of eating shit, but you're not going to like it.

But it pokes fun at a minority that was enslaved a million years ago, thus it is worse than Satan.

>The idea that a trade federation could rival the entire rest of the known galaxy is beyond retarded

It's just as retarded to have a galaxy spanning republic, or empire. We're talking potentially billions of inhabited worlds with a likely average of at least 1 billion sentient beings on each. We're talking quadrillions of people even with a conservative estimate.

The only scifi aspect of star wars are the space ships and lasers. The rest is complete fantasy. Don't bother trying to apply any even remotely realistic logic to the way the galaxy functions because the universe falls apart the moment you do.

I don't even know who you are trying to false flag but it's dumb.

>it's wrong because I say it is

Yeah that's how you zoomer shills talk.

>Don't bother even trying to apply logic to a space fantasy because it falls apart.
I agree, if only somebody would have told Lucas this before he injected muh space politics into the series.

Watto and his """"mind focused of profit".

>>The idea that a trade federation could rival the entire rest of the known galaxy is beyond retarded
Nothing like that even happened in the movie

You're calling a period time when critics panned these films, fan reception ranged from outright hatred to middling at best, and the general consensus amongst normies was that these movies weren't as good as a the OT a golden age. Not only that but people were calling these movies out for being expensive toy commercials and Lucas was the target of massive hate campaign online for his cuntish attitude towards the OT and SW fans in general. What a great golden age of Star Wars. Holy shit you are fucking stupid.

>normies
you're one of them faggot

Jar Jar. People were screeching about racism at the time.

There are cool scenes and world building, but the plot was kind of fucked up. They fumbled the trade federation plot.

The opening scene is one of the coolest and all the prequels

>ur normie!
God you are stupid.

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>proving my point.

Like how retards screeched about bayformers having racist robots because spongebob wanted to do a funny voice?

I like how you don't actually respond to anything that I say or try to refute me and instead just call me names. Way to go bro.

It only needed a few changes
>Anakin be the same age as Padme actress
>no "new ship designs"
>Jar Jar voice toned down by 95%

Bonus, I guess
>A bit more backstory for Maul

You can still have politics in a fantasy setting but they won't make sense or hold up to any sort of scrutiny so its wrong for a creator to focus on them or for the audience to think unrealistic politics in a fantasy setting are a flaw. Lucas knew this and barely touched on politics outside of a few events which mostly involve palps maneuvering himself into being the chancellor then emperor which is fine.

I know the whole "Prequels = boring politics" meme originated from RLM but those fat fucks are wrong. Politics in the prequels takes up about 20 minutes of screen time combined.

Judging by your initial post you weren't even alive when this movie came out.

120151352
I like how you hate star wars but cant convince anyone else.

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Didn’t help it was shot on a 1080p digital camera.

Disliking the prequels doesn't mean hating Star Wars in its entirety any more than hating the sequels does.

The fact that space politics exists at all in these movies is really the baffling part. Why even introduce it at all in Star Wars. It had absolutely no place in this series. It saps any mystery or wonder this galaxy had. It should've been an idea that went straight into the garbage like midochlorians and so many others.

The Prequels, much like Nu-Wars, isn't Star Wars.

>crying about midichlorians

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My only real issue with it is that after leaving Tatooine you have a 20 minutes long segment of not much beyond exposition.

You kinda get used to him halfway through the movie

Ask me how I know you're a zoomer that's never watched the OT.

back to capeshit, brainlet

Tell me bros, why did he do it??

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> I'll post a reaction image and no rebuttal
>that will show him!

people who bitch about midichlorians are the equavilent of creationists

Jedi Academy Movie Battles mod, apparently

But the whole series was literally based on space politics of an empire conquering smaller political blocs and wiping out planets to keep control of the galaxy.

I genuinely do not understand how you would justify any other star wars movie without somehow discussing the politics of what's happening in the universe. Also, what kind of a unironic brainlet do you have to be to think that "political maneuvering" isn't an entertaining plot?

>The idea that a trade federation could rival the entire rest of the known galaxy is beyond retarded

So first off all - this literally obviously never happened. The trade federation went to "war" against a single planet and lost. Second of all - trade republics throughout history have literally gone to massive wars against other countries and each other and it makes absolute sense that anyone with enough money to hire/build an army can stand up to another force of equal strength. Why wouldn't it? A galaxy spanning federation would have billions/quadrillions of customers and their revenue would be ridiculous, there is absolutely no reason why this could never happen.

Apple, Amazon and Google, all individually, have more money than some smaller countries combined and if they wanted to field a private army to invade these countries they could do so easily. If these companies become a single company - even more so.

You genuinely have to be retarded to not be able to follow this logic.

I'm noticing a trend of prequel tards who don't actually respond to anything and just call people names when they hear something they don't agree with. Funny how that works.

It's because every point you're making is genuinely retarded and you would see that if you activated your brain for longer than 2 minutes at a time.

Stop trying to pretend the prequels are good just because you hate the new movies.

Because the tiny amount of space politics George introduced helped explain the whole setting and most of the reasons why the good and bad guys do what they do...? You're basically asking the equivalent of "Why did they introduce Sauron in Lord of the Rings". It's minor world building that helps explain characters motivations.

They are not good movies but they hold much more value than the sequels.

Nigger the Empire in the OT was literally just "the bad guys" and the rebels were "the good guys". The conflict was nothing more than that and didn't need to be anything more than that. Also claiming this series started off about space politics or had to touch on space politics at some point isn't true at all.

The fact that the prequels even introduce the concept of politics in the Star Wars universe is such a bad decision. It changes the world of Star Wars from being a galaxy far far away into something more real and tangible. It turns it into a universe of stuffy beuracrats and boring trade conflicts instead of a space fantasy. The fact that Lucas even went this route convinces me he didn't have shit to do with the OT or even understood why it was so great.

all star wars movies are shit

You can tell all the passion Georges poured into this one.

That sort of setup is okay for a singular, self-contained story, but you literally cannot have 3 new movies set BEFORE the empire and just have no explanation besides "bad guys bad good guys good"

You're literally a fucking brainlet, I have no idea how arguing about how anything beyond the most simplistic concept of bad vs good is bad seems like a good idea to you

>STAR WURS 2 COMPLICATED 4 ME

This faggot doesn't remember the emperor dissolving the senate

>Unironically being too retarded to follow any story beyond a simple "good guys versus bad guys"
>Unironically using this as a reason a movie is bad

The absolute fucking state of this board Christ

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>instead of a space fantasy
it's a space opera, dumbass

Trade Federation was being unfairly burdened with heavy taxations on outer rim trading to fuel social security in the core worlds.
The CIS were 100% justified to declare independence

Fucking retard holy shit youtube.com/watch?v=Y3OiIjIvN0A

what about invading Naboo

The spin-off video games were great
Comfy af
youtu.be/7RTARy_1me4

Honestly stop explaining it to these brainlets. The amount of retards who unironically do not understand the story of star wars is genuinely baffling. I didn't even like the prequels, but it just seems like all these braindead retards just fast-forwarded the movie to "Lasers and fighting scenes" and then complained the movie was shit

This is the kind of person the sequel trilogy is made for

the most peaceful invasion ever

>The fact that Lucas even went this route convinces me he didn't have shit to do with the OT or even understood why it was so great.

Neither did you, clearly.

The senator of naboo was the one who drafted the taxation bill

user, that's a "tie-in" game not a "spin-off"

"my bad"

The other day i was hunting for food in the kitchen when i hear my father laughing hysterically, i go check out what it's about and turns out he was laughing his ass off at Jar Jar in the "IT'S WORKING" scene, i couldn't help but laugh together with him, so pure...

do you realize trade federation had milions of robots and republic had no army at all until obiwan discovered clones?

Yes it is fucking awesome. It's on par with movies like Willow

I'm arguing that the simple story of the OT Star Wars is what made it great in the first place and that is why it stands the test of time, and part of the reason these prequels will not. Also how these ideas actually ruined a lot of what made Star Wars good in the first place.

>mincing words
Same shit.

>literally one scene with a few lines of dialogue means the whole movie is about space politics

JJ practically remade A New Hope so I think that's a decent observation. I'm not huge on the sequels because they're retreads of the original.

Weird how Plinkett carefully avoids showing any of the practical effects work that went into the PT.

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>JJ practically remade A New Hope
While entirely missing the point of why it worked in the first place. Even Georges himself didn't get it and his editing team had to fix it.

>Actually have real sets and props
>Everything looks fake in the final film
Bravo george

>worldbuilding
Ah yes. I loved the addition of gungans and all Jedi wearing moisture farmer robes and being completely boring sterile retards, among other things.
>tech
Better tech than what they had 20 years in the future. Really made me think.
>overarching plot about political machinations
Why was the trade federation blocking trade again? I'm sorry this was never really explained other than "because the evil shadow man hologram told them to, despite never explaining what they would gain in doing so".
>no ultimately good or bad side in the conflict
The evil shadow man and the red and block monster man with the red lightsaber weren't the bad guys?
>Qui Gon is a maverick Jedi, quite different from Obi Wan and the others
He cheated a dice game and asked them to train anakin despite being too old. Much like Obi Wan mind-tricked the guard to get out of trouble and asked Yoda to train Luke despite being too old. He was the same as Obi Wan. It's just that the prequels made the rest of the jedi big retards accidentally.
>the best lightsaber duel in the history of Star Wars
No. But it is A LOT better than any other prequel fight due to all the practical martial arts stuff they put in there. The ending of it was absolutely retarded though.
>the best original score
Definitely not.

It's a good children's film. It's terrible outside of that.

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>I'm arguing that the simple story of the OT Star Wars is what made it great in the first place and that is why it stands the test of tim

It doesn't stand the test of time though. People who watch it nowadays hate it.

The simplistic story worked because it was a self-contained story with no plans for any sequels you dumbass. And even then, there was a lot of worldbuilding, politics and snippets in ANH that needed to be expanded on. It would literally never work with any other type of movie you brainded cumfag.

>>worldbuilding
they did have tons of worldbuilding. One example, the Trade Fed having senators in the senate
>>tech
Tech is not better, just shinier. Example, small ships need external engines to jump to lightspeed
>>overarching plot about political machinations
Trade Fed plot was to put political pressure on Valorum, then Palps changed the plan to use Amidala herself to overthrow him
>>no ultimately good or bad side in the conflict
The Republic and the Jedi Order werent perfect, and they were doomed to fail
>>Qui Gon is a maverick Jedi, quite different from Obi Wan and the others
He openly defies the council, and Obi Wan protests
>>the best lightsaber duel in the history of Star Wars
>>the best original score
that's like your opinion, man

>Trade Fed plot was to put political pressure on Valorum
For what reason? Who the fuck is Valorum? When was this ever mentioned in the film?

>that's like your opinion, man
You can't have your cake and eat it. If it's a matter of opinion you shouldn't have listed it as a reason. Or you shouldn't have folded under such light scrutiny to have to resort to "I-it's just your opinion, bro".

>Who the fuck is Valorum?
Terence Stamp

>You can't have your cake and eat it.

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As a non-star wars fag I really don’t understand the hate for the prequels, I mean, the dart vader’s rise was well written, the cgi is better than the sequels and there are respectable actors such as Liam Neelson, Samuel L Jackson and Ewan McGregor, so please, enlight me why they should be hated without mentioning jar jar

>Good CGI
>Recognizable actors
>Turning Vader into space jesus "chosen one" shit.

Yep, that's all that is needed for a film to be good. You are everything that is wrong with modern cinema.

>people who watch it nowadays hate it
Now I really know I'm arguing with a zoomer. I agree that the OT looks dated now, I'll give you that, but to claim everyone hates who sees it nowadays is pure zoom.

>no plan for any sequels
Are you just talking about a New Hope? Empire and Return of the Jedi kept it simple to. Good guys running away from the bad guys and trying to beat the bad guys was part of the reason this series had such widespread popularity and appeal. It was something everyone could understand and enjoy. Luke's path to becoming a Jedi and battling his father was a story that many people were invested in. Explaining and expanding on a bunch of shit hardly anyone cares about robs these movies of that initial appeal.

I bet you're one of those people who thinks midichlorians are the force because he didn't understand the simple concept that they feed on the force, so the more powerful someone is in the force the more of them there will be

Explain to me how you could do a prequel trilogy, setting up the universe in which the OT occurs and the character within it and still keep it "simple"?

You're a retard.

>>Turning Vader into space jesus "chosen one" shit.
the original trilogy already did it

The question is why even create them as a concept? You are also acting like this somehow makes them less retarded, as if you haven't seen Lucas' plans for the "whils" of the force in what would have been his sequel trilogy. Any expansion on what the force is that he has ever done or approved is a hilariously cringeworthy disaster.

>the original trilogy already did it
When and where?

I'm with you OP, Ep1 is the least bad of the PT. It's even watchable and somewhat entertaining.

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To be fair, a prequel trilogy was never needed. I'm not that guy though; I don't think the political stuff is the problem with the prequels.

Reaching.

Easy. Don't do a prequel trilogy at all. It was kind of a shitty idea from the start. I mean, I'm sure there are decent filmmakers out there that probably COULD make a prequel trilogy work, but that's not who we got to make these movies.

>Those rough draft ideas for Episode 1

It seems like somehow during production, Lucas was swayed by someone(s) or something and changed that original tone.
The initial ideas are actually really solid, unless they were just fake.

I like the concept of Midichlorians.

They are a good explanation as to why some people can be Force users and most can't. No, Midichlorians aren't the force, they're just a biological phenomena that allows organisms (and sometimes droids, if you consider Skippy the Droid canon) to feel and channel the Force. In the OT, Yoda implied that literally anyone can become a Jedi if they took the time to meditate and do some psychi yoga, which can be a problem if you think about it. Imagine all the freakin' normies clamoring on with "DOOOOOD WHAT IF LUKE TRAINED HAN SOLO, CHEWIE AND LANDO TO BE JEDI?"

That's not what I asked you

>NOOO BUT JAR JAR! YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO LIKE IT

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People with less Midichlorians can still use the force it just takes a lot more effort and training and they have less potential.

Jedi narutospeed was a reshoot, one of many intended to make certain moments of the movie "faster and more intense", which explains why he didn't use it in the final duel, from a real-world perspective. In-universe it is an inconsistency, though

They really should've run with Darth Jar Jar, in retrospect he's really not so bad a character

Yeah that would have been kino as fuck.

name a star wars scene cooler than the pod race

sheev will redeem the sequel trilogy

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No it didn't. Anakin being the "Chosen One" is a blatant retcon and a trash idea.

Wasn't as good as the original trilogy.
Was fucking leagues ahead if Jew Jew's trilogy.

You forgot pod racing. Unironically the best race/chase scene in all of sci-fi. Name a better one. You can't faggot, it's the best one.

Cant be done
TFA is pointless
TLJ is a trashfire

Even if the TROS is somewhat fun it doesnt erase the bullshit or the damage done

So is 3 though. And 2 has some great scenes as well, don't pretend that fight in rain wasn't bad ass

>anakin should have bee around padmes age
Considering how much of an Ender's Game ripoff it is, that wouldn't really make sense.

Already too late
This is the last movie, so they're gonna have to bring him back, give him a fitting characterization and then kill him all in the span of one movie, and they already have so much other shit they have to do that thats gonna be impossible unless the movie is several hours long

It's like they don't understand the tone of the series. They write the dialogue as if it's an episode of 2 and a half men.

The Prequels feel like Star Wars, but no one's ever analysed why.

>somewhat entertaining
The pod race is pretty much the high point of the PT

Examples?

TPM is the only prequel that consistently feels akin to the OT to me. I'm not sure why that is. Maybe because there's more adventure stuff.

II is completely brought down by Anakin and Padame. You don't feel the connection between the actors, and the entire movie is built on that.

>You're calling a period time when critics panned these films
None of the Prequels were "panned". What kind of revisionist nonsense is this?

This isn't Autist-pedia.

It's beautiful. People who nitpick it are dumb.

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>The Prequels feel like Star Wars, but no one's ever analysed why.

Because george made them

Naboo was just incredible to look at. The architecture of Theed, the costumes, the cultures, the gorgeous Art Deco ship designs...I love it

Thing is, Episode III is very dark, baroque and epic. There is very few media like it...

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What prequels costume design, set design, ship design, alien design and even overall aesthetic be so good, and the disney sequels be so bad?

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But it's more than just that, there's something in the dialogue. It's very, adventure serial-like. Indiana Jones has that same dialogue and pacing.

>PM is the only prequel that consistently feels akin to the OT to me
TPM is pretty much a less efficient version of RotJ.

because it was a original creation not bound by hollywoods cookie cutter bullshit

>disney isn't able to come up with anything close to sebulba despite all their money

I think currently, people are a lot more stupid. Something happened in the mid 2000's, and people just became stupider. When you watch the sequels, it feels like someone is preaching something really basic to you while sitting on their high horse.

There's no greater theme or purpose to the narrative, it's just 'there'. Everything feels very clean and artificial.

That ape looking alien they introduced in TFA has some amazing cgi

PM and RotS are indeed fun.

Plinkett was right about AotC tho. That movie is fucking dumb.

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The sequels look incredibly bland and sterile. It's like disney saw the poor reaction to the PT and thought that people hated everything about them, so their solution was to look back at ANH and come up with as little fantasy elements as possible.

>Something happened in the mid 2000's, and people just became stupider

Smartphones and mainstream internet access to normies

I get the same vibe as you, I rewatched TFA and it felt very dumb, not in a way as if the movie was targeted at kids, but as if things were dumbed down but at the same time put in a podium.
The prequels meanwhile seem a bit flawed with some bad decisions and bad lines, but the overall politics and the overall visual beauty are there.

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I can't even remember it. Sebulba on the other hand you just can't forget, even after a single watch.

AotC has that awful love story and rushed cgi. The whole movie just felt like they were making stuff on the spot.

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The one who was a stormtrooper and ends up helping poe escape

The biggest problem with AotC in my opinion was the droid factory sequence and the battle of Geonosis/coliseum part. Until Anakin and Padme went to Geonosis- which doesn't make sense, because she is an important politician that must be protected- the movie was 9/10.

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i still think liam was a fantastic casting choice

He plays Qui-Gon as wise but there's that rebelliousness there, it's perfect. He's not like the rest of the Jedi council.

Yeah, George can't write romance for shit. HOWEVER if you're not an anglo, there's a chance your dub isn't as cringy as the original. My theory is that's why many non-anglos don't hate 2 quite as much, the translated dialogue was often an improvement over the original one.

What i hated most about AotC is that no one ever gave a fuck about Anakins mom. The queen of fucking naboo couldnt be assed to send someone / buy her freedom and relocate

I don't really get people that complain about the worldbuilding in the prequels.Yes the OT is a space fairy tale and it's very light on that stuff but nothing that was introduced in the prequels ever felt unrealistic within the setting to me. The way the ships work and the politics seems believable enough.

The sequels are when they abandoned any sense of worldbuilding imo. They just stopped caring about anything.

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In retrospect your mom shouldn't have dropped you as a kid.

Why would she do that, if Anakin is supposed to have severed his family connections to become a jedi?
This actually shows how a coruscanti elite of do gooder jedis is fine with humans being slaves in the periphery of the republic, in spite of most of them being human themselves. Maybe in the end Palpative and Vader were right, the empire was right, and the republic was really a corrupt place.

They should be dead by now. Destroy what's left of them.

>"Here's the first rough draft"
>3 months before shooting

The Republic was corrupt as hell, and the Jedi were just complacent. That is spelt out through the prequels and the clone wars which George Lucas came up with the ideas for. The Confederacy, while headed by a bunch of corporations at least had a parliament and wanted to break away from the republic's corruption.

The AotC part inspired by western movies and detective movies was very cool and well done.

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the Republic wasn't shown as corrupt, it was just that Palpatine manipulated the senate.

>Unfocused plot
>Plotholes everywhere
>Wooden acting
>Not emotional or character arc
>Jar Jar and Anakin are annoying as fuck
>Darth Maul nonexistant
>Boring and confusing politics

Yeah "awesome" movie you got there

There are a lot of callbacks to old cinema in AotC. Not under the impression it's an amazing movie but it was the first SW movie I saw all the way through and it does have an old timey romantic vibe to it, though the actual romance sucked.

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It's not that it's a "good" movie. It's an "ok" movie that everyone lambasts because muh star wars.

I enjoy all the prequels, I really like the more theatrical shakespearish direction George took.

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Palpatine was the source for most of the corruption, but others just went along with it. Throwing emergency powers at him and whatnot.

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>Why would she do that, if Anakin is supposed to have severed his family connections to become a jedi?

As a fucking thank you for taking them in during their time of need?

She could her relocated her to naboo giving her a better life

Palpatine was a reformer and a centralizer, stop being such a jedi shill. See how in Phantom Menace they are going to a planet that is nominally inside the republic, yet republican money isn't accepted there and humans are used as slaves without repercussion (in spite of Coruscant, Alderaan and most wealthy core worlds being human worlds). Palpatine didn't make any of that.

>Until Anakin and Padme went to Geonosis- which doesn't make sense
What, what do you mean?

>"From my master's message he sounds like he's in trouble, I want to go help him but he ordered me to stay and protect you."
>"In that case, I'm going to go and save Obiwan, so if you want to protect me you're going to have to come"

What about that didn't make sense? She went so that he could go, she did it for him.

Anything in or attached to the prequels has a great aesthetic too. Like General Grievous' H.R. Giger castle. The Star Wars aesthetic under Disney, especially architecture, has become very utilitarian and dull, they ape off the OT style too much.

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It's almost like the trade federation has someone on the inside you absolute fucking retard

>The fact that space politics exists at all in these movies is really the baffling part. Why even introduce it at all in Star Wars. It had absolutely no place in this series. It saps any mystery or wonder this galaxy had.
Indeed, what was Lucas thinking back in the 70s? What a worthless scene. youtube.com/watch?v=YnNSnJbjdws

Also Palpatine may have created the conflict with the trade federation, but he didn't create the real crux of the problem, that was wealthy midrim planets like Naboo- specially in important trade lanes- being bullied because the republic was weak and didn't have a proper army. In a sense he was like Julius Cesar

It's not helping.

Fuck me, you were talking about naruto fanboyega. He's so easy to forget.

The Sith empire was built on the backs of slaves, Sheev didn't give a shit. He explicitly says to Dooku he wants to keep that tradition going. I'm not saying he was the sole cause of the problem, but it's not like he didn't perpetuate it.

The stories still follow a very fairy tale narrative with Palpatine. He's really the only evil one in the movies, there's no moral questioning of a society or political systems.

>What, what do you mean?

It feels out of place. First the movie is a detective sequence to discover who is trying to kill Padme and this leads Obi Wan to discover the clone army. Then the movie is a western sequece of a bodyguard and his princess, dealing with shadows of the past in a desert.
But suddenly they go to Geonosis and the whole thing fall apart. I really dislike the jedis in that battle.

It would be cool if Geonosis was some long and strainous battle with Padme and Anakin leading some republican meagre army, all of them besieged and starving, making the galaxy realize they need a big army. Not a spaghetti with a bunch of jedis, and much less an army that appears out of nowhere. I can't understand how the republic produced ships, tanks and vehicles so quickly... I thought they only bought the clones.

It’s a gulf war allegory you dip.

War is politics with bloodshed, politics is war without bloodshed.

No

that nigga is so ugly he sticks out more than the actual aliens on screen

I think the romance scenes in AotC were cringy, but at the minimum Anakin and Padme had enough of a chemistry to look like two young people wanting to fuck in some of the scenes, like that picnic one.

On the other hand Rey for example have zero chemistry with anyone except Kylo, and that's probably not a planned thing but rather just because Adam Driver is a gigachad.

That picture shows something that I don't like about the new sequels and the worldbuilding thing. The sandcrawler was a really cool and mysterious vehicle, so now, we get to see three or more sandcrawlers and that robs some of the magic and the uniqueness of the original sequence in the OTs. It's the same as showing hundreds of Chewbaccas or AT-ATs and AT-STs everyhwere in the Disney sequels. Talk about sucking the magic of those designs.

Funnily, I though they were more brave and original with the ewok movies, when they showed more planets and creatures of the Star Wars universe, but they did a lot of new things and almost any single mention or pandering to the OT.

Yeah, at the end of the day if Palpatine wasn't in charge it wouldn't have been nearly as bad. There'd still be issues like any other system but he pushed things further. It is a fairy tale narrative so while it's borrowing real world elements you're not going to get Star Trek/AoIF level politics in the films, that's not really the point of it.

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Ooops, I meant "no single mention or pandering to the OT".

Chewbacca's gf sticks out in a pretty horrible kind of way.

I thought they had chemistry, they were both awkward and said cheesy things to each other in episodes 2 and 3. George writing the romance dialogue in an old fashioned way not really fitting of a contemporary movie is where the problem was, it's a little jarring.

>I think the romance scenes in AotC were cringy
Like any normal human being should.

>On the other hand Rey for example have zero chemistry with anyone except Kylo
Rey has a pretty great chemistry with the force if you ask me.

I can't even tell if the prequel love is a meme at this point.

It’s only jarring if you expected marvel tier quips or whatever. If you imagine a Greek drama or shakespeare it is more palatable, and I feel it gains more longevity. People are already shaking their heads at titanic and avatar for example, while the prequels at least manage to capture people’s attention.

Literally NOONE talks about avatar, it’s a vapid piece of shit movie with no interesting bits

Rey and Kylo is the best part of the sequels. They're the only part that feels like it's doing it's own thing, not hanging onto the originals and has some weight.

Battered wife syndrome and zoomers who grew up with them and aren't intelligent enough to understand why the Original Trilogy has become a timeless classic. They're essentially women, but in the bodies of "men".

Nah people genuinely like the prequels now but they're also very memeable.

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Even if you despise them, look at how the prequels expanded the series. All the best side stuff is set in the prequel times.

Prequels are interesting movies that people can analyze and explore. And they will continue to do so long after the sequels have lost interest of the public.

You are right on one thing though, the memetic potential of the prequels is huge; George Lucas truly did a unique thing and that turns people’s heads.
No matter what you think about them as movies, you can agree that they spark discussion. That’s more than the bland new movies.

Rey herself is still vapid, lazy writing, but I agree.

The best stuff is set in The Old Republic as well as after the OT (Kyle Katarn/Jedi Knight series).

It could've been delivered better but otherwise I'm fine with the decision to go that route. Much like other things in the prequels it was the execution that felt off. I appreciate the attempt I guess, because the scenes look nice if anything, especially the waterfall one. Nowadays a lot of films lack sincerity so that kind of approach is refreshing in big blockbusters.

The only discussion the prequels spawn are "How do people dumb enough to convince themselves that these movies are good exist?".

I think the set design and costume really helped out the romance scenes (and it really needed the help). It certainly made it feel like two teenagers hanging around in a paradise world with nothing to do except each other.

Hey I agree. The only two times I was on the edge of my seat waiting to find out what would happen next in TLJ was:
1. Before the movie started
2. When it looked like Rey might go along with Kylo

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You can always spot a retard by seeing the unironic use of "nowadays". The content of your post didn't even need to confirm it any further, but it certainly did.

III>IV>V>I>VI>II

That’s only your surface level thoughts.
There’s a lot to unpack: validity of the empire, the failures of democracy in modern life. The sacrilege of misichlorians, the war movie, the romance movie, the acting is often talked about. The effects are talked about, palpatine and anakin, the speeches, sio bibble, qui gon, jar jar. Many ideas and concepts keep being brought back up.

Based opinion.

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Notice the Battle Droids don’t have integrated firearms like the Super Battle Droids of ATOC and the premium model Destroyer Droids. They were simple labor bots being repurposed for combat. A major point of TMP is how the entire galaxy is out of practice when it comes to warfare.

Why hate ep 2?

I bet you think V ans VI were star wars, they are fan-fiction tier bad

nice argument

Based truth poster. V is most egregious although it’s ok. There’s just this focus on machines all the time, and weird time dilation and the force is weird as well.
6 is just very bad, worst effects, worst plot. Luke is ugly and everything is very 80s

VI has a great opening and ending with Vader. Everything else is awful though.

And you don't think people are going to be talking about mary poppins leia, the holdo maneuver, the butchering of Luke's character, the retardedness of Holdo's plan in general, how the first order rebounded from losing their mega-death star to conquering the whole galaxy in less than a week while reducing the rebel numbers to under 400 hundred within this period, snokes death etc... for just as long? 15 years people will still be talking about how dumb all this shit is, much like people talk about how fucking stupid the prequels are to this day. There will also be a wave of retards defending them as you defend the prequels now.

I don't hate it, I like all of the first six movies. I just think II is the weakest.

star wars is, was, and always will be gay as fuck

It has that one other scene, when Luke gave himself up and had that talk with Vader and Vader said "it's too late for me, son".

That's best scene of VI for me.

That’s just plot, not characterization or concepts.
And the discussion has ALREADY died down. It’s nonexistant. Discussion went back to the prequels after the honey moon period.
Try to deny it. The movies you espouse are garbage and don’t stimulate any imagination.
It’s the fucking mcdonalds meal of movies

I can get behind this.

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I don't like the parts with Anakin and Padme, but the parts with the sith conspiracy and the Confederacy of Independent Systems is kino
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So uncivilized.

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This ranking is very close to mine, III, VI and V are my top three. Why do OTfags look over IV so much? I love it desu.

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It stimulates discussion about how bad they are and how anything even makes any sense. Which is also all the prequels do. The only difference is that the prequels aren't just rehashing the OT. But they were so fucking bad that people were unironically happy and episode 7 was well-received when it came out because it rehashed the OT.

>unfocused boring confusing non-emotional plot with plotholes
Sounds like you're just fucking retarded my man.

>mcdonalds meal
At least these give you some satisfaction though. Can't say the same about the sequels.

The CIS are one of my favorite parts of the prequel era, they're an interesting faction, shame they didn't get as much limelight though.

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4 is the best film. The only reason it's overlooked is because it created an archetype that is still aped to this very day. So everybody has seen 100 movies like it, albeit much worse.

Ehhhh, the difference is the sequels are so fucking indecisive, they never commit to any one idea, but decide to play maximum safety.
It’s a weasely, cowardly way of making movies.

You know that FA is more watchble but your brain knows it does not have any substance, unlike AotC.

The irony here is you're probably the zoomer and you grew up surrounded with PT hate. The people who grew up loving PT are in their 30s now. As for why people love PT, it's because it created a beautiful universe. I say created because the worldbuilding in OT was so basic it's not unfair to say that most of the SW world was created in PT.

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Why do people hate 6 so much? This is the only movie where Luke is an actual character rather than some dude who just kind of went along with the shit that was happening around him

>sees an alien in a fucking Star Wars movie
>WHATS WRONG WITH YOUR FACE
You could take every "argument" from the plinkett reviews and apply them to the original trilogy.

AotC is the worst star wars film ever made because, on top of being terrible, it commits the cardinal sin of being extremely boring.

Episode 1 at least has pod racing and fun fight choreography. Episode 3 and episode 8 are so bad that it's actually hilarious and I would prefer to watch either 5 times than re-watch episode 2 once. The closest episode 2 ever gets to having any value is the absurdity of Yoda pulling out a little lightsaber and flipping around fighting a 90 year old man who can barely walk. But even that isn't anywhere near enough to make it worth watching for meme value, because yoda does flippy lightsaber shit in tons of terrible EU shit now.

Second half of 4 is objectively not good. All the pew pewing after the get on the death star is just horrible. And the duel with Ben is frankly laughably bad.

>Yoda pulling out a little lightsaber and flipping around fighting a 90 year old man who can barely walk

Imagine actually making this.

>muh fun
Get out

Was 9, 12 and 15 when the PT came out. Always loved it, the story, the characters and their actors, etc.

I enjoyed heroic, fantastical stories. That’s why I enjoyed the PT and why the sequels are so disappointing (only saw 7 which was a mistake, should’ve just skipped everything Disney Star Wars like I was originally planning on)

>zoomers
More like the millennials that saw it in theaters

>one throwaway line
>better use it as the baseline for the entire species/planet/series
typical star wars EU faggotry that infested the prequels as well

Have sex

Luke, did I ever tell you about force dash? It was a trick me and my master Qui Gon used to escape some destroyer droids on a trade federation starship. We never used it again, even though it could have been incredibly useful many times during the clone wars. And it was a good friend.

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>noooo this story is too complex for me nooooo
You just got filtered

I grew up watching the OT. TPM came out when I was 7 or 8 and I loved it so much I saw it 5+ times in the cinema. Even as a kid I knew AotC was shit and could only stand to watch it once. When RotS came out I saw it like 3 times and watched the dvd of it like 10+ times.

The prequels are complete shit. They were the death of Star Wars (The shitty EU wasn't prominent enough to destroy Star Wars, but if they had made movies of it, it certainly would have because it was equally as shitty as the prequels).

The only Star Wars media of any value are the Original Trilogy and a shit ton of games like KotoR1/2, the original battlefronts, Jedi Knight games, Republic Commando, all the x-wing/tie fighter/star fighter games, etc...

Anything outside of that is somewhere between mediocre to pure cringe-worthy retarded shit.

I didn't even go see 7 because it looked like a reboot/ripoff from all the trailers. And when I did see it at home I fell asleep somewhere around Maz's cantina and when I woke up Han was being impaled. It didn't leave a strong impression on me.

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>I enjoyed those movies a lot
>but they're shit because ummmmm
Profound argument

Why did Darth Maul attack them on Tatooine exactly? To kill them and take Anakin?

>The prequels are complete shit. They were the death of Star Wars
very well rounded opinion that surely isn't subjective user...

He thought it would be funny

The trench run is one of the greatest sequences in the history of the series. Likely top 3. Perfect practical effects, perfect pacing, perfect use of music, the perfect climax to the film while still leaving the door open for another film. I really pity someone who unironically cannot enjoy that sequence. I don't even care to argue with you about it, it's genuinely sad that you can't appreciate something that is so well made.

>between mediocre to pure cringe-worthy retarded
>I loved it so much I saw it 5+ times in the cinema
>watched the dvd of it like 10+ times
So why were you so fascinated by this mediocre sci-fi flick? Why not any other mediocre sci-fi flick? Sounds to me like you were brainwashed to dislike them retroactively.

this

You guys missed the fuck out, I saw it close to double digits

I like Menace but nobody can refute this. In one scene they force speed and in the other Obi Wan slowly runs. It just doesn't make sense.
I want to believe the scene in the gif was the product of some ILM intern going through the footage, realizing it doesn't make sense for Jedi to slowly escape the droidekas, deciding to not bother Lucas with this shit and just speeding up the footage.

>shot on film
>good set design, big sets, less CGI than epII or III

>trench run
That's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about the pew pew scenes in the corridors of the death star. Before ben gets killed. That's about half an hour of total shit.

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This is actually true, in a way Star Wars was the biggest indie film series that became a big franchise, George was an indie film maker

Because I was an idiot child who just liked lightsabers and cool matrix fights. Two Towers was also my favorite LotR film because I was obsessed with Legolas and my favorite scene was when he slid down the stairs on a shield and shot all the orcs.

On one hand I would like to say they were good children's movies, because they certainly worked on me. But they likely only did because I loved the OT so much. There is so much anti-children's movie shit in all three films that it's a hard argument to make. All the politics was boring as all hell and not comprehensible to a young child. All the Padme/Anakin shit is completely boring to young children and episode 3 is arguably too adult for young children with how dark and adult it attempts to be.

ST is basically OT through a Chinese Apple filter.

>>no "new ship designs"
Are you fucking kidding? The new ship designs were some of the only good things about the movie.

He used it when catching up to Maul on Naboo

>There is so much anti-children's movie shit in all three films that it's a hard argument to make. All the politics was boring as all hell and not comprehensible to a young child
And yet you watched them 10 times as a child. So did I by the way. See your arguments sound like they make sense, but evidently they don't. Kids are generally used to not understanding 100% of everything. That's the general experience of being a kid. Doesn't bother them. Despite RLM proclaiming that it does and you parroting that opinion.

Too kill padme

Did you miss the scene in the first movie where governors are discussing the abolishment of the imperial senate?

Where's that ST ship image

Like I said. If I hadn't watched every OT film 20+ times before the prequels had came out I don't know if I would have even cared for the prequels as a child.

Funny thing is, I saw these movies as they were releasing, in my teens. I always liked them. Friends always liked them. The kids in High School were always talking about the upcoming film. We'd rag on Jar Jar or Hayden, but it wasn't enough to detract from the movies themselves or the series. The only people I saw legitimately hating them were small pockets of internet communities and professional critics, which no one gave a shit about. Then sometime aftet RotS released people started getting more vocal about Prequel hate. And even still, no one I knew personally ever had any resentment for them.

>shitty EU
> KotoR1/2, the original battlefronts, Jedi Knight games, Republic Commando, all the x-wing/tie fighter/star fighter games, etc.
Those are EU you idiot

Yes. The only parts that don't suck.

I just like to think it's done like a Force jump. After you do it you start running at normal speed.

Which one?
The bomber that's just the retarded child of a B-Wing and a Nebulon-B frigate, the Strandbeest walker that was cut from the movie or the popsicle speeder?

The reason phantom menace is still watchable was because it was shot on film with real sets and locations.
The early digital cameras they used for 2 and 3 just make them painful to look at.
I appreciate that Lucas was trying to push technology but it was a few years too early.

You probably never read the books or comics and watched a youtube video complaining about zombie jar jar without knowing the context of the story

Extreme brainlet take. Anakin has nothing in common with Ender

You're right. I stopped trying to get into them because everything I tried to get into was trash. People complain about sequel trilogy Luke but old EU Luke was just as bad. They turn him into this turbo overpowered mary-sue who masters every lightsaber form better than everybody else as well as every force power ever, even dark side ones but he makes them sick-ass light side versions and also he can manipulate black holes and when he fights with a lightsaber he looks like he's fighting with 30 lightsabers at once even though he only has one and he can literally merge with the force to defeat the biggest baddest ancient evil and so on. It's so fucking terrible. It completely undermines and misunderstands Luke as a character just as much as episode 8 does.

The zoomers who grew up watching the prequels are old enough to post here now. And that’s a good thing

If you show a kid Phantom Menace vs New Hope, the kid is always going to love Phantom Menace more.

The prequels are actually the better set of movies.
The dark tones are way more interesting than some generic good guys win fantasy drivel.

I actually contest this. Luke Skywalker, as a protagonist, brings a sense of familiarity and the ability to identify with that TPM doesn't even come close to bringing through any character. If you are a white kid with blonde/brown hair, you likely identified heavily with Luke, even if you didn't notice it. Because every white kid has looked like Luke growing up, especially that haircut. Sure, if you show it to some caramel amerimutt, you might be right. But otherwise I disagree.