Silence

Why can't Jap savages stop murdering innocents?

Wait.
Do American Christians actually believe Heaven is some paradise land where your spirit goes after you die to have fun for all eternity, and live in peace with your buddies and family?
I bet you're so fucking retarded you think Hell has fire in it.

Life is a trial to show the lord what kind of person you are, and whether you deserve paradise. You don't stop half way through a contest and demand the host just gives you whatever you want like an entitled nigger, faggot.

>Because he doesn't fucking exist. If there is a god(s), it isn't the desert crazy one pushed by the cult of YHWH that can't even get their own prophecies right.

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because He stopped giving a fuck after they killed Jesus

(((They)))

>he

>they
?

God treats his most devoted followers like shit desu.
>never reveals himself and lets ill fall upon them
With how he treats his followers in the Bible, you’d think that he would more generous to them

I want to fuck Adan Driver. That is all.

It ain't?

asians are evil
mostly they commit horrific acts of cruelty to compensate for their small dicks

>bad things happen so religion is pointless
Dumbest argument ive ever heard, and ive heard it alot from artless phillistines

What good is free will if God does everything for you?

>give life to something only cause you want to test if it's up to your standards or it's damned to eternal torture
Sounds good desune.

>all the thousands of other religions (including the ones far older than christianity) are all wrong
>ours is definitely right though
>just believe bro

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Yes.

More than half the worlds population believe in the same God

After they killed him, you mean? So is god just just a butthurt faggot?

I do the same in squad or tbs games desu. I have my favorites who did cool shit and don't give a fuck about the rest.

>God can see everything, past or future of what you will do and you can't do anything about it
>Yeah but bro free will haha
Cringe

Because God isn’t a “Christian.”

because Scorsese used his normal editor who clearly didn't have an understanding of the movies he was inspired by. If she had watched some Ozu and Kiarostami and Bresson for a few weeks before editing this movie it would have been incredible. Instead she spent too much time trying to make it interesting for small brain ape men who think Taxi is peak film at the sacrifice of the central purpose of the movie.

>she
Dilate

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelma_Schoonmaker
retard

He did he wants all cultures to keep to themselves something religious cucks seem to forget when he btfo babel

why does god have such a fragile ego?
>”you are my child and i love you unconditionally. my son (me) died (briefly) to save you”
>”worship me or I will torture you forever”
wtf

>Implying I can read
Have sex

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. jews don’t believe in christ, christians don’t believe in muhammed, muslims don’t believe christ is the savior. all 3 think mormons are retarded. yahweh is present in all
of those but they may as well be different religions.

reminder that incels are reincarnations of chads who sinned in their past lives

salvation is always available though. forgiveness is the basis of the christian faith
as long as you see the errors of your way and repent you are going to be fine

God hated weebs even in the 1600s.

can you repent once you’re in hell?

Why tho? Why be such a snowflake?

Ill just do it at the last second lmao

And?

I don't think so

I didn't like the editing either, but I don't think it sacrificed the central purpose of the movie.
Also, it's not like in post-production, a director like Scorsese, has no idea what's going on on his own movie.

Why would he create everything if he was just going to end up micromanaging everything anyway? That's silly. Why even argue about the intentions of a being more supreme and powerful than yourself?

Pathetic.

God has to respect free will , if people choose evil then it must be so because the freedom if choice to follow God is required to enter into heaven. We are also completely out of tune with nature because of these same limitations.

Its like the most basic premise of Christian theology my dude

you gotta be strict with your children. it's not like they ever learned their lesson anyway

t.God

He’s too based for that brah

what if you get ran over by a bus and die on the spot?

He did. They're in heaven now. A human life is at most what, less than 150 years? Meanwhile the afterlife is infinite.

A lot of those whiplash cuts didn't make much sense to me, but she didn't have much choice as editor, the studio asked for cuts didn't they?

Except you can truly repent by just saying it, it's something you must genuinely believe. Saying a few Hail Mary's doesn't mean anything unless you actually use said prayer to focus on your faults

No they dont

What about uncontacted tribals who have no knowledge of Christianity or Christ?

It's more like one-third.

Why doesn't he just have everyone be in heaven automatically forever? Why even bother with the Earthshit?

Over one third of the global population is below average intelligence, what's your point?

Because God doesn't give a fuck about believers.

I won't

What is YOUR point? What does that have to do with anything?

Proof?

they're screwed. that's why we have missionaries who spread the word of the Lord

Source: your ass.

>they're screwed.
That's beyond retarded and likely not true anyway.

>I don't think it sacrificed the central purpose of the movie.
not a sacrifice, but a movie called "silence" shouldn't have been so frantic and full. Just a handful of moments for contemplation and to get across that the sacrifice and duty of the missionaries is encompassing, not just the moments when it's the hardest.
>the studio asked for cuts didn't they?
we'll never know, but this was a passion project for Scorsese, so presumably he had much more creative control and brought in a long time collaborator who you assume he trusts to have creative input as well. They can't go back and forth on cuts forever, eventually it has to be released in whatever state it's in.

Free will cannot exist with an onipotent being

>What is YOUR point?
My point is that "a lot of people believing something" doesn't make that thing actually real just because of that.

that whole adam and eve business

because they didn't follow the correct one

Your point isn't actually a point at all, it's a thinly veiled insult. As if low-IQ people can't be right about something.

Why tho? Why not just undo that since, you know, he's all powerful?

That was his own fault since he created humans with flaws.

Did they tell the islanders about the life of Christ, or pray with them?

he did. two times. first with the flood and then by sacrificing his son. we still haven't learned

>isn't actually a point at all
The entire point of me quoting the average intelligence statistic is to point out the fact that "a lot of people believe this so it must be true" is not a valid argument. Why would you expect me to counter a fallacy with an argument?

>a lot of people believe this so it must be true
Nobody even said that, have you checked your IQ recently?

Because man has given free will and each man is responsible for the outcome of their lives. The bible is a moral guideline, not a history book.

Victory of the One True God

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He didn't help his own son/himself on the cross either.

That movie is absolute K I N O btw.
One of the best films ever made.

What? Mass genocide and killing a dude?? Im saying why dosent he thanos snap and just send us all back to the garden of eden if that was his plan, why does a god need to have a plan involving sacrafice if he's all powerful

>Nobody even said that
It was implied by

Why not just UNDO the apple of knowledge if it was so bad?

No it wasn't, can you read? It was a response to someone who implied its unlikely Christianity is true because there happen to be thousands of other different religions.

God doesn’t reward people for serving him well, he seems like an asshole. I have still not heard one good reason for why he allows birth defects, natural disasters, and genetic illnesses

he's God, not Superman

see it as leaving your children free to make their own decision. it's not like they are not being given guidance. the choice is all up to them and it is never too late to ask forgiveness

LMAO FAIL
Acording to Christianity, he's all powerful. Also according to christianity you are doomed to hell for denying that

>birth defects
>genetic illnesses

All caused by human evil e.g Drinking while pregnant

This, he's an asshat.
I say we take him out back and beat the shit out of him.

it was a joke dumbass

Free will is absolute niggerbullshit: God can literally see every action I will do in the future, so there is literally no point in even trying to argue its about "free will" when it literally doesn't exist if we go by God's rules.

Why have 2 thirds of the world be punished entirely when you can just undo the mistake at Eden and reset every thing?

fpbp

>all this unironic pushback from atheists itt

Christianity is now the counterculture, and thus cool.
I realize this now.

Free will is shit when you are eternally punished for doing the wrong thing. Why dosent god just reset things back to Eden?

So what about natural disasters, why does weather have to be so chaotic?

>>all this unironic pushback from atheists itt
>lets rub this religion in your face 24 7
>reeeeeee stop fighting back!

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>>lets rub this religion in your face 24 7
what?

90% of natural disasters are caused by man (Climate change)

>Why didn't god help his christian believers?

too busy dilating

>what?

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I told you, humanity threw away its chance to live in heaven. Why wouldn't he be coherent and uphold his punishment?
Now it's up to you to earn your way back to heaven. He will be glad to have you there.
Or you can keep being a sore loser.

So God WANTS people to burn in a hell that he created? That's part of his plan? Hard pass

They can earn salvation as well

>Why didn't god help his christian believers?
He did he sent his son to die for our sins.

>Calls himself his own son
What a narcissist

So now sin is gone since Jesus came? It's all over right? No more sin?

>lets rub this religion in your face 24 7
where are you even from?

Just because he can see it, doesn't mean he controls it. Man's free will is the only thing he can't control.

Except it can if free will is omnipotently true

He wants everyone to deserve Heaven.
But not everyone does.

Ask like any priest, study Christian theology. It's a very basic point you can just Google. It's a matter of the soul not just mere words

I don't see how you would come to that conclusion, but sure, you do you. I am no missionary and I have no investment in saving you besides my empathy. Maybe one day you will see the light too. Godspeed.

>So now sin is gone since Jesus came?
If you devote yourself to Jesus, yes.

If god is onipotent, he made certain humans knowing that they would go to hell. Literally created for torture.

God is not connected to our space-time.
Imagine God observing the entire universe, from beginning to end, from outside. Think of a programmer watching a computer simulation. He can know our future and past, without being affected and without interfering.
But there's a catch: sometimes he interferes, with what we call miracles. This, of course, has the same consequence of time travel: the future (and the end result) is changed.
So a whole host of people will never exist after the change. But God extracts his own from the Universe before the intervention that rewrites the future after it.
The others might exist in the future, or not. The process is entirely invisible to us, because we are inside it. But you do have a choice.
Did you pray to our Lord today, user?

He wants things? If he's god why dosent he just make it so instead of merely wanting them?

God is omnipotent, but he gave man free will so they are out of his control.
He basically made a rock so heavy he can't lift it.

But you said he took care of sin. Not a very good plan of salvation if it didnt just wipe sin completely away and instead you need knowledge and belife of a dude who lived a gorrillian miles and years away

Because free will.

because he wants you to do it on your own

FAIL. Seems like you just denied god being all powerful. Enjoy hell
Also fuck free will, if you choose the wrong thing you go to hell, what's the point.
There won't be free will in heaven

The unknowing don't go to hell.
But they also don't go to heaven.

Lmao, proof?

Not a very original thought, but you are on the right track.

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>if you choose the wrong thing you go to hell, what's the point.
The point is not to choose the wrong thing.
Obviously.

>DUDE it’s all man’s fault LMAO
Thanks for proving why Christianity is anti humanity

how so?

Whats the point of free will if you can't make the wrong choice? Why not just get rid of it?
>im going to create user
>I want him back in heaven someday
>but since I see all time I know he will be damned to hell for his choices
>OH WELL LOL

Reminder that the priest made the wrong decision.

The Japanese converts sacrificed themselves for the love of Christ whereas the priest tried to justify his apostasy through a self made delusion. That is the why the cock crows in the distance.

this movie saved andrew garfield the way Jesus Christ saved my eternal soul. perfection.

cuz he ain't real yo

Dead arguments

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>Whats the point of free will if you can't make the wrong choice?
But you can.

Then it's not truly free
If you are held at gunpoint you arnt free

Lmao ill see you in hell brah

choices have consequences. such is the truth and beauty of life

This is plan B from the Guy who decided to isolate a small sample of Earth's population and then drowned all the rest of humanity to avoid the spread of evil.
Unfortunately, He forgot that Satan was waterproof.
So He tried again with Jesus. It also didn't work; Muhammad is plan C.

The beauty of kids being raped. I guess sin is part of gods plan

>But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
Doesn't sound bad to me.
I don't get how that goes against free will. You're free to curse God and live as sinfully as you wish while you live, nothing is obstructing you. God isn't preventing you from doing anything. You'll just receive punishment when the time comes, whether it's eternal hellfire or just a second death that's up to debate.

yes you are. the martirs were held at 'gundpoint' and ordered to reject their faith, yet they didn't and died for it

He forgot? He failed? Seems like you failed for denying gods omnipotence

you are jumping around now between subjects now

Lmao dude, all he had to do was step on that jesus stone to save all those japenese

Why didn't they 'say' they reject god but keep praying in private, that's what id do

You are free in society to kill someone, but there will (likely) be consequences as well.

God has certain limits. He knows the future because he can watch it after it happened.
Giving a part of his power so that humans have free will, he only can see the outcome after it happens. See .

Pretty valid concern. Everyone here faps to free will but look what it leads to. Is sin part of gods plan? If not then why does he allow it?

Christians are cucks. Imagine spending every waking fucking moment worshipping a being that has never spoken or revealed himself to you

that's what happened in the movie as well

This.

It's called taking responsibility

>Christianity is anti humanity
No it wants us to improve ourselves and one day ascend.
Atheism is anti humanity reducing man to a genetic accident and empty of a soul

>But you said he took care of sin. Not a very good plan of salvation if it didnt just wipe sin completely away and instead you need knowledge and belife of a dude who lived a gorrillian miles and years away
First things first that was my post not his. Secondly how do you explain color to the blind? how do you explain sound to the deaf? How do you explain something that you have to someone who has absolutely no concept of it? You fedora tippers ever fathom the idea that you have no concept of the idea of god and faith as someone religious does? that you have no perspective beyond lmao sky king spaghetti monsters? Better yet is when you somehow compare it to indoctrination like we can't see the flaws in our thinking. Like we can't see that a 2000 year old book that has gone through more translations then we can imagine. We believe in something abstract and impossible to grasp especially for someone who has never formed a concept of it. To explain faith in a rational matter is to undermine the whole idea of faith because faith as a whole is hardly rational and analyzing it in such a way yields nothing of value. You of no faith can never grasp the idea until something beyond your power influences you to not to say that would gravitate towards faith but like a blind man not understanding color something profound needs to change their understanding for them to see.

Fucking FAIL. God is all powerful, all knowing, and all loving, and you sir, will burn in hell for denying a part of that

Why bother ascending? Why not just leave us in heaven?

You might have noticed that Man conquering the nature and ascending to the stars is Christianity with the serial numbers filed off.
And so will you, otherwise you wouldn't be on Yea Forums. See you in hell.

If this is your line of thinking, why bother worshipping a chaotic retard who is neither all loving nor all powerful? My nigga how you gonna justify worshipping sheogorath lmao

Heaven is earned

>strict with your children

Dummy, christianity does not preach this, you can literally go on a killing spree and say your graces before your execution and go to heaven

It's like the government; we have to cope with it.

>you can literally go on a killing spree and say your graces before your execution and go to heaven
Not the way you describe it.

>Why even argue about the intentions of a being more supreme and powerful than yourself?
Literally this. It's the arrogance of humans , trying to grasp something beyond them, using human concepts and human ideas to judge something superior.

Why the fuck do we have to earn it? Why?

The reward should be worth it. It's not like they are losing anything in acting like pious people.
They probably get more out of their faith than they do by pursuing their edonistic instincts.
Of course you may think that's stupid, but there are a lot of things for witch I personally don't understand the appeal and yet people still pursue them.
Just don't be a prick about it.

Why tho? God already knows who's going and who's staying
Actually I wont

God isnt real

If god is all loving why does he allow suffering to exist? Let me guess, some nonsense about need sadness is order to have happiness

So then what, we are his sims to play with?

Also why bother testing people if you are all knowing anyhow?

>Technology
>Ascending

The false god of progress will mean the death or enslavement of man

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Or say fuck that

wrong

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How am I wrong?

That's the conflict.
Early on he even strongly suggests that one should "trample" when given that choice.
But then he doesn't follow his own suggestion.

The movie is one massive conflict, it's an amazing experience.

Why do you automatically deserve it? The problem is most people think in terms of the tv or just go by what someone else says, be it for or against religion.

If you look for yourself, you will find truth. Don’t be a lazy pussy boy.

Ridley Scott planned to put a thing in Prometheus (either a scene or just a reference, I don't know) that would have said that the Engineers sent someone to Earth 2000 years ago because we had become too violent and destructive but we crucified this engineer and that's why they want to kill us!!!

>so that means he is real

I don't think God suits me, existing or not.
Someone who creates Hell to torture people for eternity is not my friend.
Well, if I go to Hell at least I hope I'm not chained or unable to move. I'm going to visit places, and talk to a lot of people.

luddite faggot. Youre not enlightened for thinking technology is bad. Living quality on Earth is higher than it ever has been

You have to truly repent.

You sound like a commie.

If some evil horrible person like Christopher Hitchens gets a free pass without showing any goodness, well that wouldn't be fair to all the good souls like his brother

Actually he did, Christianity was so influential in Japan, despite being worship by only a tiny minute portion of the population, that it irrevocably cause massive changes in Japan's culture, wiping out degenerate and immoral practices such as shudo. Christianity works through sacrifices, if you die and your death becomes an influential catalyst that shapes generations to come, that's essentially Christian martyrdom.

Why does god deserve it?

>You sound like a commie.
This.

Dilate

I guess that would still be better than leave everything unanswered and just ignore it in the following movie

I know it's great, all it cost is the destruction of the Earth

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Deserve what?

as long as your beliefs inspire you to do good

God "helped" them by giving them the opportunity for eternal salvation in the afterlife. You think a few decades of worldly suffering compares to even a second of the pleasure and glory of life spent in heaven?

Not the guy, but even Jesus had to rely on his own skills and trust his father. The last time God had like direct intervention ended with humans using his power for a lot of bad stuff (See, Solomon). >Humans complain God has power to help them but he doesn't do it, what about the power we have to change things and we still choose to not act.
Fake faith makes the possibility of salvation null and no one escapes the judgment of the all mighty.

>destruction of the earth is the fault of technology

That has to do with overconsumption and inefficient use of resources. Both of which can be solved by making smarter technology

>earned
Not by mortal creatures

Heaven?

Actually, those who never heard the Gospel can indeed go to heaven if they would've accepted it if they had heard it.
This is official Catholic cathechese.

What would you expect from self-declared Christians that praise Jesus for helping them finding their car keys while children starve in Africa?
I am really, really triggered by morons who treat God as a vending machine, and as a personal avenger to destroy their enemies, all while saving the best corner of heaven for them.
The Holy Bible is the sacred law from God, except the parts I do not like, which are just metaphors.

I don't get what you're going for

Top 3 Scorsese kino. Peak pleb filter

bruh

You don't really understand the purpose of God making humans in his image do you?

Reverence for powers beyond one's knowledge. To support your community times of need

Proof in the bible?
>man has to earn heaven
why does god deserve heaven? Didnt do a good job with his creation

Nope.
The car part that causes more accidents is the nut behind the wheel.

This is a common misconception about Christianity. Humanity thrives on sacrifice. Christ is the vessel by which we elevate ourselves above it.

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>I don't think God suits me, existing or not.
What a shame you don't get to choose that and your thoughts about him are no more relevant than what an Ant could think about a human.

Because he doesn't exist lmfao

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Man as a fallen Angel = Reclaiming what was rightfully his

Man as a rising beast = Animal in denial

This.

Don't be triggered. Show them the errors of thier ways. If they truly are believers they should be able to see them. Sometimes we just need a little guidance. And if god is silent our fellow humans are not.

He is and your arguments thus far are middle brow tier nonsense.
>God isn't real because he knows certain people that he created will go to hell as per predestination.
God knowing all things =/= God wills certain people to hell. He always offers a choice.

Your God is a bit strange. I wonder why such a being would make silly ants the center of all creation. Something in this whole affair stinks.

I still don't get what you mean with 'why does god deserve heaven'

>making smarter technology
Like what?

God created Man in His own image.
They're not "ants" to Him. They ARE Him.

>Man is born innocent, Society corrupts him

Has there ever been a falser statement in human history?

Ya sure do. That elevation should kick in any day now, right?

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Whoa, that diagram is retarded! It's almost as if whoever made this is unaware of the complexity of the world and how different ideas interact and interconnect with one another. It's almost if this person has not studied history besides a few key points. It's almost as if this person is trying to push his interpretation of good and evil onto others.

Yeah, there are some people who do as you say, but it’s not everybody. That’s a meme the tv pushes. There are people out there doing great things to help others. Look for them and you will find them. Don’t, and remain the pussy boy. It’s a choice.

>Proof in the bible?
Catechese is based on the bible, obviously.

You're not too bright are you?
God made heaven, that's the common sense answer
Humanity screwed over itself and was free to do so.

>Your God is a bit strange.
Why do you assume I'm talking about my God?
I'm talking about God as an omnipresent and omnipotent figure. The little way you can even grasp reality is nothing short of just an illusion, far from the truth.
With his omniscience, whatever reason you have, is not even comparable.

That is the same tho. If I have the power to know the future, im going to use that power to achieve my wants and goals. If god wants us in heaven, but can see our future, then why not make us so that we dont make the bad choices
>muh free will
Fuck free will, it lead the majority of humans to hell

im still mad del toro and and daniel day lewis didn't get their role and instead we got fucking driver and garfield

Several of these "omni-" are incompatible with one another. You can't have a cake and eat it.

God does not deserve worship, nor does he need it. We are the ones who need it. The best part is, it’s a choice. If you want to reject God, he won’t force you to love him. But, you can’t live with divine glory then either. But the choice is there.

It’s hard to break the pussy boy cycle though. I understand. I’ve been a slug before, too. Go out and find the people doing good. There you will see God.

That i should die with hope that my soul may be redeemed. If it is for naught, it doesnt matter what i believed in life since death is total.

They were fine. Driver's role wasn't even that big. I enjoyed garfield's performance

Based on it, but it's an extra-biblical text. Is there proof IN the bible of your claim?
The book of mormon was based on the bible

they were alright but their accents were lacking and they look like skinny betas

You can't have a universe without a God either

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Once again, you are using a human reasoning to try to undertand something that by mere definition goes beyond that.
Similar to a child trying to explain the world of adults and even that is a comparison short to demostrate how far your reasoning can compare with pure omniscience.

Proof? What if you go to hell for beliving in God, and death isnt total??

What does that entail beyond grabbing and priest and repeating what he says?

>Is there proof IN the bible of your claim?
There would be no Catholic doctrine that is not based on the Bible.

>The book of mormon was based on the bible
... and on golden tablets only Joseph Smith ever saw.

do you want your missionary to look like chad? it's a possibility, but i don't see why that would be a requirement

What is a gamble without intuition and a little faith?

You have to be a literal soulless NPC to ask this question.

To all christcucks in this thread

Your entire belief systems relies on free will

How do you define free will and how do you prove its existence?

god doesnt even know where japan is

Can you actually answer me please?

Okay and I'm asking where in the bible does it every state that people who don't know of Christ but would accept him go to a third place

Also...how does god know what they would choose? So he uses the power of future vision, and decided, "oh they would have chosen wisely" but when it comes to making people he dosent know if they will go to hell or not??

>he
excuse me sweaty but God is a tranny

nothing besides what your heart truly believes
you should know wether or not you are sincere or you are just pretending

free will is suffering and we feel it everyday

Contrition

>You just don't get it bro
LOL what a fucking joke, that's literally what you're saying when the "God" of the bible not only made us in his image, but acts like a tantrum-throwing completely fallible human that constantly contradicts himself and exhibits all kinds of fucked up emotional problems like extreme jealousy and rampant violence. If God was the only real one, why would he be so threatened by some dumbass statue man made and was worshipping? Wouldn't he easily be able to prove that he was the only one without hilarious thousand pages of idle threats in a book?

Let's just assume God's a good judge of character.

>Your entire belief systems relies on free will
God did it, simple as that. Why? Who knows, the way he works is so above me that is pure arrogance to imagine I could even grasp it.

Exactally, why not just undo the other statues or not give humans the power to worship other gods

>pls explain "true regret" because I'm a machine learning program with an English language interface

Seems like a VERY shitty thing to base religion on assumption.
Thanks for not providing the biblical foundation to the claim tho

You are so far from this philosophical argument i wont even bother walking you through it, instead lets engage with something simpler, how do you account for what is known as the "fate of the unlearned"? (Basically how do you engage with the idea that there objectively exist people who will never be exposed to doctrine or scripture by no fault of their own, how do you reconcile the fact that they will burn for eternity for never embracing a god they never knew about?)

You are clearly mixing the idea of Biblical God with the idea of God.
That's why you fail to grasp the situation. If God is real and he is all mighty, your mere existance and reasoning are indifferent to him, or maybe not. Maybe he cares about humans but thanks to his omniscience and power, it doesn't work like the way we think it works.
See above.

>base religion on assumption
isn't that the point of faith though?

When the mormons do the baptism of the dead on my body, and I become a god of my own plannet, im NOT making a Yea Forums board

What about a schizophrenic who never had the chance to realize the error of his ways? He's just condemned to eternal suffering? Why? This is the part where you retreat behind "god works in mysterious ways".

>Seems like a VERY shitty thing to base religion on assumption.
You've never been to space, so you too have to assume the images of a round earth are real.

>Thanks for not providing the biblical foundation to the claim tho
Ask the Catholic church.

Actually Christianity is based on scriptural texts. You just threw in there that some non belivers get a free pass, while not citing where in the bible it says that.
I guess if we are just tossing in things I may as well make up my own religion

I get what you're saying, but if you are a Christian of any doctrine, you're frankly limited in how liberal you can get with such a spiritualist point-of-view. You acknowledge the God of the Torah and/or Christian bible is God or you can fuck off to hell, lol.

I'm actually kind of agnostic and much more prone to your line of thinking, so hell no am I acceptable to most religions anymore except for maybe Buddhist-like shit, but I don't adhere to any specific doctrine.

Nigga, if God knows it all. He can clearly tell you are lying and your intention. Nothing hides from him.

>What about a schizophrenic who never had the chance to realize the error of his ways?
Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Im not the one who made the claim, you are, thanks for not backing it up

you argue from modes of thought. i deal in truth.

as for your second question. only the worthy. i may not be among them

Culpability requires consent

>Check mate!
kek, but you're right. I often use this exact argument to frustrate the fuck out of my Christian friends when they talk about proof of God.
The entire doctrine of Christianity is based on faith (arguable with Catholics and works-based) but if you can prove God, why the fuck do you need faith?

Except a. talking snake LMAOOOOO

Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

Nah, I'm christian myself. But I'm just trying to explain you the situation from the perspective you are trying to look God.
>Using the biblical God to explain The God.
Nigga, you are going in circles.

I am not that guy
I do not pretend to have all the answer nor to be knowledgeable enough about the bible to point you to the verse you need
If you truly are curious about this I suggest you talk to your local priest or better yet study theology on your own
If you are set in your beliefs that's fine too, as long as those beliefs encourage you to be a good person.
I'm sure that if god is real he has a plan for you too.

>Im not the one who made the claim, you are
Not me, the Catholic Church.

And see

Even if that plan is burning in a hell he created for disbelief?

Why would god create those who are unworthy? Is he all knowing or not?

Im not sure i like how the catholic church just seems to add things to the bible

What would constitute a proof though?

You have to choose to be unworthy.
You have free will.

Okay so does a schizophrenic murderer go to hell? He cant have culpability because he never consented to his mental affliction and therefore, his resulting actions

man created man in his image. man choose to become his own god.

how can you make someone worship something when he only worships himself?

>but if you can prove God, why the fuck do you need faith?
I think Jesus actually touches this theme. He mentions there's people that believe because they can see, but there's others than believe even if they don't know.
"Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who believe without seeing."

Ok. I choose to be worthy. There, now can I sin and still go to heaven?

They didn't "just add things to the bible".
See for instance.

>man created man in his image

*God created man in his own image

If you are born as a pygmy person in a rain forest and your elders tell you they will literally kill you if you even try to leave, how the fuck can you claim this person is "unworthy"? They never even has a chance to be worthy, actually fuck that, they never even had a chance to realize what they even need to be worthy of

How the fuck can you reconcile this with your beliefs of free will?

>now can I sin and still go to heaven?
If you truly repent for your sins.

Having a "what can I get away with?" mindset isn't conducive to salvation lmao.

1Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.

Well if they didn't add it, then you should easily point to the scriptural source for certain non belivers getting a free pass. Seems to contradict John 14:6
>NO ONE comes to the father but through me
Instead your all like.
>a-ask your priest!

God gives you free will. Whatever you do with that, it's on your own but eventually you have to be judged for what you did.
Doesn't work like that. You are applying a logic similar to: I believe I'm strong, that means I can lift this 500 Lbs rock. Just because you think is that way, doesn't mean is that way.

Says who?

>you should easily point to the scriptural source for certain non belivers getting a free pass
see >NO ONE comes to the father but through me
You get to see Jesus at God's right hand in Heaven.

Actually it works EXACTALY that way

Maybe. I really don't know.
I personally like to think that salvation is possible even for non believers who are still good people.
Of course I have no proof of that, and doctrines does not concern themselves with what one personally believes. But still I think His nature is ultimately benevolent.
Look for his presence around you and maybe you will believe too one day.

They do this in courts all the time.
The best Fedora propaganda is to let Christians talk.

Seems like a contradiction bruh

You have to be 18+ to post here, kiddo

user, you are trying to set your own rules on a game with his own rules.
I don't get what you are saying here, man.
The reply "Except a. talking snake LMAOOOOO" doesn't make sense if you consider God outside of a biblical setting, like something truly omnipotent. It's a childish reply.

>god is all powerful!
>is bested by a talking snake

Because God expects sacrifice, you cuck.

Why can't I make my own rules? Who says there already are rules in place?

The Lord?

>Still trying to compare the biblical tale to the idea of a truly Omnscient God
Man, you are dumb.
The religious doctrine says there's rules for that. So you either have two ways to deal with this, you arbitrary try to implement your own rules over an established game or you create your own rules. The main problem is that you are trying to play the game (I get salvation), following your own set of rules. It's incompatible and doesn't make sense. Just like trying to play soccer and using your hands instead of your feet.

own rules and game*

No it doesn't.
The Bible is full of references to either God or Jesus judging and separating people in the afterlife.

Why?
If a god can exist by itself and he didn't create himself, that means that other things existing by themselves are possible, including a universe

Unless he has a third way unknown to us. Someone with truly omnipotence could come up with something like that.

The more obnoxious fans taint the whole franchise.

Are you implying the Universe is an all powerful being which has a will to create itself?

It's almost like you can be a bad person regardless of your beliefs

Imagine still believing in Jewish fairytales in 2019 Anno Domini.

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Oh you've been there? Tell me what its like

what's so bad about that pic though?

Is the god in the bible not the god you are talking about?

???

Nigga, I'm talking about God as a omnipotent and omniscient figure. In my discussion at least, I'm not mixing the idea of Biblical God. So the Except a. talking snake LMAOOOOO is a pretty stupid answer.

>god gives you free will

Define free will please

They "adopted" nignog sperm for in vitro fertilization because "they prayed about it and it is part of God's plan".

If you are thwarted by others in your pursuit of Good, then you are truly blessed if you persevere.

You are actually fucking retarded, where do you think all the Renaissance art of Angels, God, and Jesus came from

The ability to choose.

The freedom to sin, for one.

No, I'm implying that god and the universe could come to exist independently of each other
If a god, which is more powerful than a universe, doesn't need a creator, there's no reason for a universe to need one

oh ok. sounds kinda delusional, but still I'm happy for them

>If a god, which is more powerful than a universe, doesn't need a creator
Unless he is the first engine, the thing that put things in movement. In that case, the Universe would be derivate of him.
The first and the last.

>Christianity bad because (thing human does which the bible doesn't outright approve of)
wow you sure showed them darn Christians, you're gonna post a pic of the Pope next right?

Okay cool now we can really have some fun

So when we say choose you mean something along the lines of "you chose A but you could have chosen B", basically two paths and you CHOSE one. The problem with this is that there is no good reason to believe you ever really had a choice. Do me a favor and imagine a choice you made earlier today, say between two choices of cereal. You picked cereal A over B because of the state everything in the universe was at, at that moment. If you had a time machine and went back in time to that exact same state the universe was in and everything in it, why would you ever choose B? Hopefully you are beginning to understand that free will is simply a very powerful illusion

Free will is the ability to chose between two or more options. Similar to how a molecule has "degree of freedom", so does a person. It varies from person to person based on circumstances and ability.

>He didn't help his own son/himself on the cross either.
Dude, Jesus choose to be crucified. He knew this from the start because God told him, Mary also knew this and they still agreed to follow the divine plan.
The actions of Jesus are not only impressive because he is the son of God but because he is the son of Man and he decided to complete that task, the task of save the souls of humanity.

>Jesus chose to be crucified
He cries out "Father why have you forsaken me".

But what if your circumstances literally and objectively do not allow you to even pursue education yourself about the christian god? What if you are born a vegetable with no cognitive process?

And where did you get this concept of a God if not from the bible? Is the biblical one not omniscient?

See

That defies literally all of cause and effect, what room is there for a magic lever in your head to be flipped for no reason at all, bucking every and all event that lead up to that moment, in other words, we make our decisions entirely based upon the state the universe is in

If we kept going back in time to the time the choice is made and your brain and the universe are reset to the same state they were in at that time, why should I believe you would choose and differently this time?

God loves viruses and cancer too

Why does everyone say the cruxifixion was bad? Wasnt it part of gods plan?

You make the decision, if it changes something is irrelevant. Just like in real life you would want to do something and the result is completely different for different reasons but you took the decision to act.
And he also said " 'Father, into your hands I commit my spirit". He had fear and doubts and still went through the divine plan.
The concept of omipotent and perfect exists since ever in the minds of philosophers and other minds. Just look at the Logos with the greeks or Brahman with the Hindus.

Yeah that sounds really good but if you are deaf dumb and blind and are never exposed to the word of god, give me a practical example of how you would overcome this and accept god. Please a real example, not a vague platitude or bible quote

>divine pain
Why wasn't jesus cruxified over the chernobyl reactor? Would have been more painful, and more KINO

this

Basically you just have to be a good person.
And if you never heard of the gospel, you'll get judged in the afterlife.

Do you adopt a cat knowing you will likely euthanize him? Does adopting him thus make it pointless?

It's a bad thing because it's a punishment and death. But is also a good thing because it simbolizes the act of Jesus, son of Man, God himself, deciding to sacrifice himself for the sake of humanity and to guide them.
That's irrelevant. His sacrifice could happen anywhere and still the message and idea would not change. A man facing the heaviest burden (the salvation of everyone's soul) and still completing the impossible task.

And it was a completely and utterly retarded response, because it's a fallacy.Use your eyeballs for once in your life and read, you dumb nigger.

>you make the decision

You make a "decision" based on the state the universe is in, what room is there for anything else? When you say "you choose", you choose based on what? Your feelings? Those stem back to moments before the decision eventually stemming to things ultimately out of your control

On my side of the argument is cause and effect, states of your brain and the universe, you side is.. what exactly? This vague and undefinable notion of will that somehow bucks all cause and effect? All chemicals in your brain? All states of the universe?

I don't think it's a retarded response, I just think you're acting like a ballistic moron.

As he said the pure will seek and live a life like Jesus naturally. A dumb, blind, and deaf guy is a bit extreme, but I imagine they would at least learn concepts like kindness from whoever cares for them.

It goes beyond chemical reactions, the same chemicals that are telling you they are chemicals. The idea of acting transcends the physical plane and transforms into an idea, something metaphysical. Regarless of the outcome, or the reasons behind it, it transforms into something that has a meaning. Something akin to the Logos, something perfect, something untouchable and imaginary and also real.

How was it heavy?

I have myopia and tinnitus, and long before I learned what these were, people, including but not limited to my mother (father died too soon), always screamed at me: are you deaf or blind?

>The Son of Man also having to deal with the fact he knows when he is going to die, his burden and mission as a Messiah and to complete the divine role of his father.
How is not heavy, any other would've break against such preasure. The Last Temptation of Christ has that as the main theme. Jesus and the temptation of being just a normal human and avoid his destiny.

So you are a hard determinist?