"In a way, you might call him an underworld character. You may also look at him as a savior, as someone who might bring back some order to the world after it’s all collapsed." ―Giancarlo Esposito about Gideon
So another Empire some how ''bad'' setup. Does Disney actually expect anyone with brains to keep supporting all these rebel factions. Here we have a lawless region, that was plunged into even more chaos thanks to the rebels, now we have Imperial remnants trying to restore order, and frankly they have to be harsh considering it's a region filled with space mexican cartels, but somehow they are the antagonists? what is Disney's logic here?
ah, more "the antichrist is the good guy" propaganda.
Owen Myers
It seems to me that the rebels are perpetually causing wars and death by rising up against a new empire that keeps showing up
William Evans
True, things seem pretty nice under the empire.
Camden Fisher
>only competent first order officer is le based black man really gets the noggin joggin
Nolan Green
What's the real world conflict again where there was war lords who were former commanders like this who took over regions after said collapse of their regime?
I know there was one, but I can't think of it's name.
Ayden Jenkins
just about every recent conflict in modern day africa. the fates of the mongolian and Alexander the Greats Empires. the end of the roman republic. way too many to list.
Ryan Collins
every single parody of Fascism will inevitably make it look desirable
>What's the real world conflict again where there was war lords who were former commanders like this who took over regions after said collapse of their regime? There are too many to name, basically any large state that collapses will have former commanders battling it out like that. The Roman Republic alone had this happen 4 times >Marius vs Sulla >Caesar vs Pompey+the Optimates >Antony and Octavian vs Brutus+the Optimates >Antony vs Octavian Then the Roman Empire had the Year of the Four Emperors, the Crisis of the Third Century, and so on.
China had the same thing with their Warring States Era, Alexander's Empire had the same deal with the Ptolemys and Seleucids, and so on....literally any empire that collapses in a chaotic fashion will experience this situation.
Lucas Thomas
>what is Disney's logic here?
Order is bad. Chaos is freedom and multicultural. Rough around the edges? sure. Ugly? no doubt. Dangerous? You bet! But that’s what the rebel’s are fighting for!
Isaac Cruz
If you live on a core world, yes, the Empire is great to live under. In EU, getting assimilated by the Empire kind of sucked for both the natives and the Imperial troops. Star Wars' politics and war get pretty dark if you remove the fantasy of it all. It's basically Warhammer 40k, endless war over basically nothing.
The older I get the more I find the Empire did nothing wrong.
The republic was a corrupt government like sodom and gomorrah, worlds weren't being policed and protected properly. The politicians were deviants with self centered interests. Worlds were suffering etc.
Sheev had a plan, one race had to come out on top in order to establish order and that was his own.
Worlds that were previously considered lawless awnsered to the Empire out of fear. Some worlds were stripped of resources in order to fuel the protection of the greater good.
The rebels wanted to restore a broken system which would just lead to similiar events happening in a cycle.
Bentley Thompson
>Star Wars' politics and war get pretty dark if you remove the fantasy of it all Simultaneously the best and worst thing about the EU, on one hand endless war and misery is the reasonable outcome, on the other it just starts getting depressing after a while. Especially the way that the Skywalker-Solo family periodically decides to either save or enslave the galaxy depending on what kind of trauma they experienced as children.
Colton Ortiz
the heavy handed Republic during the Clone Wars was probably the best government the galaxy has ever had not oppressive like the empire but the army and the Jedi maintained order
Nathaniel Williams
>The rebels wanted to restore a broken system which would just lead to similiar events happening in a cycle. to be fair in the old EU the rebels/new republic genuinely made efforts to ensure that they werent simply restoring the old corrupt republic but forging something greater. That cant be said about nu wars though
Lucas Jones
they want the galaxy to be Baltimore.
Levi Walker
I thought it was ironic. You thinking of Afghanistan m8, BTFOing the Talibans left the country vulnerable to the warlords from the North.
Dominic Morgan
they made the EXACT SAME mistake as the original Republic in not having a standing military to keep order
Ian Powell
>The older I get the more I find the Empire did nothing wrong. >Sheev had a plan, one race had to come out on top in order to establish order and that was his own. Also, considering that Sheev is capable of seeing the future in at least a vague sense, he probably saw the Yuzhan Vong invasion coming. Sheev's Empire would have absolutely crushed that invasion, they would have responded immediately with extreme force. The New Republic squabbled like children until the Painslut Aliens were bombing Coruscant.
The most fun thing about the EU is the way it totally vindicates Palpatine. If he saw this invasion coming, then uniting the galaxy under a harsh militaristic state was absolutely the correct choice.
It's even dumber because the original Republic had literally tens of thousands of Jedi, who were powerful/wealthy citizens in their own right and could afford ships/mercenaries/supplies. The New Republic had one Jedi. In the original EU, they naturally understand that's not enough and they maintain a military. In Disney Wars, they're like "well whatever, mission accomplished, time to melt down all the guns!".
Xavier Ortiz
>decades long galactic scale civil war has just concluded >empire is fractured but still has a capable fighting force >empire goes into hiding and lauches terrorist attacks against the nu republic >new republi: lmao better disband the military what were disney thinking? it makes mon mothma and the entire rebel alliance come across as retards in retrospect
Mason Lee
So he's just going to be the same guy he was on the old Revolution series?
Ethan Long
Holy shit, can you people at least skim the bible before larping as christians on the internet? A character trying to maintain order in the context of universal collapse bears no resemblance to fhe fucking antichrist, but to the katechon mentioned by st paul in the second letter to the Thessalonians. Kys please.
Aiden Butler
>totalitarian, slave keeping government good! edgy
>one government effectively managing billions of systems this is the most fantastical part of star wars. most governments can't even keep potholes under control
Noah Scott
Ironically Disney is kind of promoting an insanely anti-feminist message here. >A government led by two women (Mon Mothma and then Leia Organa/Solo) decides to unilaterally disarm in the face of an enemy for no real reason At least the EU versions of Mon Mothma and Leia did their best to govern and protect the Republic. Disney just makes them into bleeding heart retards.
Jordan Foster
>>new republi: lmao better disband the military Actually it is FAR worse than that.
The New Republic had a military/fleet but it was all around the Hosnian system and destroyed by Starkiller base in TFA.
Colton Adams
>old EU has the new republic embrace and accept leia is darth vaders daughters and use it as an example that anyone can be good >nu wars new republic exiles and tarnishes leia name the moment they hear shes darth vaders daughter its really disgusting what theyve done to the rebels and the new republic
Sebastian Perry
iirc they disbanded their military and kept a token force for "defense" that was forbidden to engage in war ala the japanese defense force which one course led to the entire new republic being 1 hit KOed in TFA
Brayden Morgan
the diodachi, but as others have mentioned it's an inevitability of lacking clear succession which makes clear the importance of something like a state constitution
Kayden Myers
It looks super cool and it will have surprises and cliffhanger endings and that's really all that matters.
Austin Murphy
>Be Giancarlo Esposito >Get typecasted after Breaking Bad
>and kept a token force for "defense" that was forbidden to engage in war ala the japanese defense force The idea of winning a war and immediately disbanding to the point of a non-aggressive security force is so retarded but at the same time it's exactly the kind of thing that I would expect Hollywood to come up with.
>old EU has the new republic embrace and accept leia is darth vaders daughters and use it as an example that anyone can be good Same thing with Luke, founding the New Jedi Order, Mara, an ex-Imperial spy as his wife, and Han, a former master criminal, and all of the kids being heroes as well (well, except Jacen, but arguably his ultimate motivation was heroic too). The EU had its problems but I'm blown away by how the Disney trilogy managed to be so much worse. You had characters and stories to work with, you didn't need to make an entire trilogy about a shitty version of Bastila from KOTOR.
>iirc they disbanded their military and kept a token force for "defense" that was forbidden to engage in war ala the japanese defense force which one course led to the entire new republic being 1 hit KOed in TFA This is what I fucking hate so much about TFA. It doesn't set up the new post-RotJ universe AT ALL. And I refuse to read some crappy fanfiction book explaining what happened.
All it feels like is some contrived way to make the goodies the underdogs again when it would have been much more interesting if the First Order were rebellious kamikaze fanatics bringing the New Republic to its knees.
The scene where General Hux has a gay little speech and Starkiller base fires at the New Republic is super out of place. And the movies don't really explain why the Resistance exists as its own thing.
Because bad writers can't write interesting villains they can only write underdogs vs big baddies.
Joseph Russell
You'll note that slaves were just fine under the Republic.
The Empire's use of them were arguably more benevolent in that they were put to work, i.e., socialism.
Cooper Fisher
>bounty hunter >he dosnt work for empire catching rebels for money >instead hes space SJW cringe
Aiden Baker
I feel the same way. It was so badly handled. >The Empire is defeated and the Republic rules >Cool >We're the Resistance >The Resistance? What are you resisting? >The First Order >Who? >They're the successors to the Empire, they have a huge fleet and everything. >If you have a fleet and they have a fleet, then what are you "resisting", why aren't you just at war? Why are you just parking your whole fleet by your capital- >I BYPASSED THE COMPRESSOR
Josiah Cook
and there will inevitably be a scene where he 1v1s Boba to establish how hes the true best bounty hunter in the galaxy and that he fights for the right side of history.
Robert Mitchell
We don't know for sure that this is how the show will go, though. He fights stormtroopers but he's also hunting down random criminals. The Mandalorians in Star Wars lore have always been a separate faction from the main Jedi vs Sith conflict. Hopefully we'll see something like that in the show.
Xavier Mitchell
>I feel the same way. It was so badly handled. I feel that feel.
Honestly I have an image in my head of an opening scene to how TFA should have been: >Republic fleet bringing supplies and news to Outer Rim planet, maybe have a Poe like character there directing it. >Republic is good guys but overstretched. >All of a sudden alert, they are being attacked. >Rag tag group of ships, maybe some Tie Fighters. >Small in number but ferocious fighters. >All of a sudden the First Order ships begin kamikazing into the Republic ships WELL YOU KNOW THEY MEAN BUSINESS.
I know I am writing bad fanfic here but a First Order of fanatics vs overstretched New Republic would have been great. They could have even maybe made Captain Phasma a bounty hunter from the outer rim who threw her lot in with them for money instead of comic relief Ms. Stormtrooper.
Make the bad guys the underdogs and write them well.
Jason Smith
What? So Mandalorians are niggers now? ffs
Lucas Reyes
in the old EU Boba was explicitly pro-imperial because he seen them as a force of order and stability in the galaxy and hunted down Rebels. For nu wars thats very problematic.
Eli Bailey
All the bad fanfics in the world are better than what Disney decided to go with. They were so committed to remaking A New Hope and they never stopped for a second to consider if it made any fucking sense. Like they made sure to hit every plot point from the first movie in TFA, without any logic, like they were jumping from bullet point to bullet point. It's shit.
Wyatt Gray
All nu wars is faggot shit.
Joshua Barnes
No, he's the old Republic police captain who is too old for this Bantha Poodoo. He will be protecting a mafia witness from the Mandalorian in the first episode and convince the MC to turn his life around and start hunting criminals and former Imperial Nazi's (white men) instead of working for gangsters.
Asher Young
China 1920s Afghanistan Syria Lebanon Congo Libya Russia 1917-1924 Yugoslavia Yemen Mali Central African Republic Somalia Alexander the Great Western Roman Empire Mongol Empire
Happens in tons of civil wars and often the “warlords bringing order” are vicious tyrants so having one as a villain is fine incels are just overtly sensitive
Joshua Miller
great about up until le incel get help you obsessed mongoloid
Lucas Phillips
>So another Empire some how ''bad'' setup It's just preparing the American public for war with China. >EMPIRE BAD >CHYNA BAD
He will be the same "magical negro" character Nick Fury is in the MCU- there to validate the hero as a hero.
Benjamin Carter
The prequels definitely don't give a very positive depiction of the Republic. Slavery was tolerated in the Republic, for one. It's a story of Anakin growing up and realizing that the system he was living in was fucking bullshit. He very bluntly asks Padme and Qui Gon why they don't rescue all the slaves and they have no good answer. Episode 1 starts with the Republic sending their thugs (jedi) to strongarm an alien race protesting unfair tariffs.
William Torres
Get out in front and try to control the message. Good shill.
Joseph Thompson
[D]Esposito
Jackson Perry
>defending subhumans chinks fuck you
Jason King
>Slavery was tolerated in the Republic, for one. No it wasn't, not every planet was a part of the republic.
