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Rian BTFO! based JJ knew he would fuck up Star Wars and planned for it.

Nothing was derailed because there was never a train. There was never a plan at all.

Originally Poe Dameron gets introduced as a false lead with FInn, an ex-stormtrooper, being the surprise lead of the film. However Oscar Issac campaigned to stay alive and he tested really well with audiences, so he "just shows up" after his supposed death. Nearly all of his scenes post Jakku were reshoots to reinsert him into battles/scenes. Once we shoot forward to TLJ pre-production, Rian Johnson is given a character that he was told previously died in earlier scripts and can do whatever he wants with him. Which ends up with him getting slapped or ordered around by various women. Oscar Issac has been a real champ about Last Jedi backlash, and will probably used as a more hero character like TFA

No, that was Eddie Redmayne when he auditioned for Kylo Ren in case Adam Driver didn't accept the role

You can't derail a plot that doesn't exist.

There was a plan, just one you didn't like.

>he feels the need to clarify that

Like a true Cucklord.

Yea Forums, how old were you when you stopped falling for damage control?

is he actually low key admitting that VIII was a shitshow?

When is the next trailer going to drop?

Did they clap?

As if Disney would allow him to say anything else. Interviews are for giving out the prepared statements Disney has approved.

Yes. It's a subtle acknowledgement of VIII being shit without violating his contract and actually saying it.

he's probably telling the truth. the only thing viii did was kill luke and snoke and they just replaced snoke with palpatine.

Mystery box faggot never has a plan that’s the whole point of his mystery box.

well people really hated that last movie we did huh
guess the smart move is to double down

It didn't exist until I was an adult, if filmmakers and studios were annoyed by people not liking their shit movies back when I was a kid they didn't really have an outlet to vent about it through, not until the internet came to every home

Except JJ has been notorious for not planning things his entire career. In his own words he prefers to wing it. Think back to Lost and most of his filmography. Snoke was supposed to be the Palpatine of the trilogy but they killed him and realize that there is no big bad to reference to Return of the Jedi so they brought back Palpatine at the last second.

Apparently tomorrow

The timeline shifted when Lost became popular. Were living in the wrong timeline.

Most of the people are mad at Episode VIII because Luke tried to kill his nephew, which is a minor detail, and they keep insisting it happened because of "no plan"

It wasn't JJ that planned the trilogy but a whole group of people. He was only supposed to direct and help writing the script of TFA

How do you know Snoke was supposed to be the big bad? They said months ago that they've always planned to bring Palpatine back because he was the villain from the beginning. Was it retarded to have TWO villains that are pretty much the same? Yes, but it was not unplanned.

>the event that caused everything else in these movies is a "minor detail"

from what he told me there was just a buzz and a hushed silence the whole experience was electric

>didnt really

That means it kind of did

>They said months ago
>months ago
Anything said after Solo bombed doesn't count.

The entire trilogy should have revolved around Luke and Kylo. Rey as it is, is a third wheel and her role should have been as Luke's naive apprentice.

I'm fully expecting that nothing out of TLJ will be followed up, because there was literally nothing to follow up.

TLJ was like a 100% stand alone movie, terrible idea for the middle part of a trilogy.

You mean the story group people. Yeah. He doesn't use them at all. Exclude the fact that Colin Trevorrow got fired and that his screenplay got thrown out, it's missing the bigger picture. JJ loves to wing it. They are only involved in Ep 8 of the trilogy and JJ has a lot of the creative control over the beginning and end of this franchise and his motto is to wing it.

This
Cut a few scenes from TFA and you could skip TLJ entirely

>Directors and corporations never ever lie!!! Never ever ever!
>There is no such thing as damage control!!!

I wish this board wasn’t full of underage and so’y shills....

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When you're saying he was the villain from the beginning, you honestly are falling for the mystery box hard. After the filmmakers blatantly made it clear that they didn't care about Snoke's backstory, you honestly believe this. Snoke and Palpatine are references.

These people don't care about how Palpatine was controlling things from wherever. They are just references for the plot. The plan is to exploit Star Wars references. It has nothing to do with planning a story. It's basically the same thing when Rey had a double bladed lightsaber. It's a blatant red herring. The reason Rian Johnson and JJ Abrams had different goals with the trilogy.

Of course it didn't. The premise was cancer from TFA.

I miss him

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Who cares, they are both fucking hacks.

Rian is dumb. He could have just used the JJ draft and sailed to stardom on JJ's talent. Instead he destroyed his reputation and an entire franchise.

>implying JJ didn't destroy it

Well you can't derail anything if there's absolutely nothing to derail so he's right

Star Wars fans proving to be the most stupid cum gobbling idiotic fanbase to ever plague this earth, once again. You cunts take absolutely anything they trow at you.

I see their damage control desk is still up and running.

Would user watch it?

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That's worrying since episode IX is coming in with no real reason to be excited or come back.

So it was always the plan to make the big finale based around a character who hasn't grown versus a villain who's been beaten every time they've clashed?

JJ is a hack. Always has been with his mystery box.

>they've always planned to bring Palpatine back because he was the villain from the beginning.
How dumb you have to be to believe that? like the kind that can't walk and breath at the same time or like the one whose father and mother are brothers?

Be honest, what was your reaction when the Spider-man countdown turned out to be these two jewing up a Spider-man comic through the sheer force of Hollyjew nepotism?

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shill

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>There was a plan, just one you didn't like.
Ironic, since no one liked the alternate plan either.

And yet JJ's is the highest rated, most respected, and highest grossing in the franchise. Rian's is the most despised and lost billions.

Nu wars has been irredeemable since tfa you dumb fuck

>minor detail
shills deserve the rope

>Nearly all of his scenes post Jakku were reshoots to reinsert him into battles/scenes.
Imagine how much WORSE TFA would have been if the x-wing attack on the super death star had NO characters the audience knew fighting in it. What a laughable movie.

He told the story group to fuck themselves, the terrible set up that was tfa is all on jj.

snokes existence never made any sense

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That is no excuse for the bad writing in VIII
>Oh no! I have to find a plotline that doesn't suck for a character!
Then do that. That is literally your only job, Rian you fucking talentless hack. Poe and Finn should have teamed up to try to fight off the pursuers on repeated missions while they got more and more fatigued trying to keep everyone alive until Rey could return. Get rid of Rose because she's the Jarjar of VIII and served no purpose to the plot, for character development, or any purpose at all.

It still boggles my mind that Disney didn't contractually force JJ to direct all three films.
>It's our multi-billion dollar franchise but let's just fucking wing it lol.

TLJ broke a billion, Star Wars fans will take anything.

>there was a lot of crying.
I honestly don't get the emotional gravity of this shit, it honestly isn't even good.

Nonsense. Driver agreed because he would have 3 movies which means 3 paychecks. Fuck out of here with this bullshit.

>They said months ago that they've always planned to bring Palpatine back because he was the villain from the beginning
They said the sith were gone years ago, also palpatine coming back continues to undermine the real star wars movies you faggot cock sucker

>implying JJ is a talented writer
He's a fine action director, but he's fucking terrible when it comes to writing. He relies on mystery boxes so much because he has no idea how to write a legitimately intriguing story.

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>Ranger Solo
>TLJ was supposed to make 2B instead only got 1.3B
>They axed Joss Whedon after Age of Ultron did 100m less than Avengers
If only we could use something to connect these things and make some kind of point

nu wars fans arent star wars fans

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>JJ "we had LOST mapped out from the very beginning guys trust me" Abrams

All nu wars is faggot shit.

That they started with a 4 which vaguely resembled the Raimi logo was the cherry on top

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>And yet JJ's is the highest rated, most respected, and highest grossing in the franchise.

On Day 1 of the opening of Force Awakens until afterward and the hyped dyed down when people called it a derivative uninspired copy of A New Hope from even George Lucas and even fucking James Cameron. I mean did you forget all of the Mary Sue remarks or Snoke being shit. Yeah I don't buy that. Star Wars Episode 7 would have made billions regardless of who made it. Rian is a hack as well but didn't rehash as big as JJ did.

Doesn't help that him and Kurtzman probably rubbed off on each other in terms of narrative style. I looked back through Kurzman's filmography and it's literally like watching a trainwreck in slomo.

Why do they look the same?

That cousin's name? Albert Einstein

I waited 20 years to see jedi master luke, but i was never going to give disney another cent after tfa.

Fuck, JJ tried this shit AGAIN. That's EXACTLY what happened in the Lost pilot. JJ has no conception of characters, why audiences like stories, and the internal logic of stories. This Jew needs to go back and read Robert Mckee and Joseph Cambell.

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disney cult

>this thing that seems like a complete ass pull is totally not an ass pull guys
Sure.

Showing yet again that they can’t think of something new

Literally, he wanted to have a likeable protagonist and kill him off to "shock" audiences. Shocking people does not make a good story.

Even to this day it's considered the best of the new Star Wars movies. It's the most respected by far. The universal hate of Rian's awful writing made sure that TFA will always be the best.

SW fanboys will cry at the drop of a mouse cap

>Lost pilot
His pitch for Lost was:
>Why don't we do like a Castaway with Tom Hanks only a huge cast and add some mysteries to the island

This makes a lot more sense honestly, based on JJ’s track record

>best of the new Star Wars movies
Dude, that's like saying the biggest turd you took today was the best one of the day. At the end of the day, it's still shit.

>respected
fucking kill yourself faggot

Reminder that posts that assume entire boards are singular opinions are always shitposts to be disregarded.

Agreed, Fuck Rose!
>If Rose is in Episode IX, then avoid at all costs

>d-dude Yea Forums isn't one person xD
>ignore that a large sect of Yea Forums is a hive mind with the same opinions, there's probably one guy that feels different so hah!
cope

Agreed
>Palatine coming back, if planned should have been revealed in VII. The big bad reveal via an evil victory, would have mirrored ESB and been more inline with JJ’s plan to copy pasta the OT

The truth is inconvenient. JJ realized that when Poe dies , it's just Rey and Finn. And he and KK obviously wanted to avoid any sexual tension between these two, they donw't want their white goddess blacked by a nigger. That's why they brought Poe back and even made himgay with Finn, just to make sure nobody tries to ship Finn Rey And these people are supposed to be social justice warriors. You won't find bigger racists than a jew and a feminist woman.

Palpatine coming back at the end of the trilogy, without any hint or mention in the previous movies is called bad storytelling.
>imagine if Sauron was defeated in Two Towers and a new big bad villain was introduced in ROTK...

>not using any of Rian's abortion
>didn't derail
Sure, JJ... sure.

TFA sucks too, what's your point OP