Redpill me on The Matrix, /tv

the catsuit is very hot

What do they wear sunglasses?

It has created the term "redpill", isn't it enough?

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I don't hate them, they're just stupid movies that add nothing to the original. Still a fun watch

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The Merovingian is based

The only movie since original Star Wars to create a religion. Talking about our universe is a simulation started here with The Matrix. It's true people said were all a dream before that, but not a controlled simulation.

>Reloaded 9/10
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>Mark my words boy, I have survived you predecessors, I will survive you as well!
>he actually does
based indeed

Only interesting thing about 2 and 3 is smith going nuclear, the scenes are cool too

Smith becoming a virus was unique to the 6th version of the Matrix that they were in, right? Although the Oracle speaks of him as Neo's natural counterpart and also a result of the anomaly in the equation.

Also funny that Smith becomes a virus when he shit-talks humans in the 1st movie for being a virus.

Impressive. Very nice.

The irony being that as a virus hes free

I like the theory that Neo wasn't the one, Agent Smith was. There had been plenty of Neo's before, but never an Agent Smith, who was actually the catalyst for change.

Also his acting was the best

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Nah, Neo was definitely the traditional "One" whose purpose was to return to the Source.

But I guess once he decided not to do that, things changed, and Smith could be considered a counterpart "one" since he's tied to Neo as his mirror.

Your choices are meaningless. No matter which pill you take, you can't escape the system.
They never left The Matrix. They simply moved to another layer of it (simulation is green one, ''real world'' is blue).

The guy in the second movie mentions that he designed a matrix to better reflect the grotesquely of human race, that may be the "real world" you get in the movie, for the people that can't accept the average matrix

The third one is a CGI mess. The second one is alright though, still some real fun set pieces, like the whole highway chase/ fight

He says the 2nd matrix meant to reflect humanity's gross nature was also a failure so he moved on to the 3rd matrix AKA 1999 new york version

this

I like to think that Morpheus's "using humans as batteries" theory was just that - a theory, his best guess.

The machines themselves never say exactly what they're using people for, Morpheus was just using the information he had and couldn't infer any other reason.

That contradicts the line from the Architect, "there are levels of existence we're willing to accept", which implies humans are being used as a power source.

>"There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept"
This could also work with the original idea from the script that they're using Human brains to increase their own computing character

In this case, the architect would be saying that the machines might lose a lot of their computing power/intelligence but are prepared and willing to accept that

Ultimately it doesn't matter what they were using humans for - the only relevant fact is that they need humans to maintain the status quo and generally do not want all of the humans to die.

If you ask me, there's a bit of a theme of not wanting to destroy their own creators going on.

the best film directed and written by 2 women

I always saw Smith as the "cataclysmic system crash" the Architect said would happen if Neo chose not to return to the source

It makes me kind of mad that the whole point of taking the red pill and waking up is to just fuckin party and have sex and occasionally philosophy on zion. Like the exact same things you can do anyway in the matrix but now you know you are "awake". Why stop there, why no more layers stacked up?

If you accept it at face value yes. Problem is using the heat emitted by humans for energy is extraordinarily ineffective.

>Smith becoming a virus was unique to the 6th version of the Matrix that they were in, right?
yes

>I like the theory that Neo wasn't the one, Agent Smith was.
nah

Smith isn't what the Architect is talking about because that consequence happens in any cycle but Smith only exists in the 6th one

but it isnt. zion was a staging ground for their assault on the machines and the hope of achieving freedom in the real world.

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>I like to think that Morpheus's "using humans as batteries" theory was just that - a theory, his best guess.
You should watch The Animatrix, especially the renaissance chapters.

I did many years ago, I think I'll go rewatch them today and refresh my memory.

And what exactly is freedom? To cherry pick in advance the life you think will be the best/happiest for you? Or to just completely let go and surrender to whatever fate randomly chooses?

>The Animatrix, especially the renaissance chapters.
there's some weird details in those, like that the machines invented hover cars and humans stole the tech to use on bomber planes

based humans

>There were 5 others before Neo
so the Heaven Matrix and Hell Matrix had Ones too?

Just to clarify, the reason this doesn't make sense is because the anomaly that creates the one was only created as a result of Oracle's 99% solution, which was only implemented AFTER the failure of those first 2 marixes

Ok so you wanna watch the trilogy:

The Matrix
V for Vendetta and
Speed Racer

As augmentary material watch: Animatrix

For extra reading credit read: Baudrillard - Simulation and Simulacra

That brings you up to speed.
BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP!

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Two faggot Mr. Garrison wannabe brothers who are now sisters who are most likely fucking each other created a stupid redpill/bluepill metaphor that people think is about "independent thought" is actually a metaphor about transgenderism disguised as a shitty pop culture sci-fi cash grab blatant rip off of The Terminator which single handedly ruined cinema for nearly a decade.

The End.

>he can't distinguish art from it's creator
poor /pol/tard

heh

Only Neo thinks to himself "there were 5 others before me" - architect never specifies how many predecessors there were.

Even Merovingian just says "predecessors" without naming a specific number

>Baudrillard - Simulation and Simulacra
meme book that should not be taken seriously

America is his better work anyway

>When Belinda McClory auditioned for the role of "Switch", she was only going for half the role. The character was originally planned to be played by androgynous actors. In the real world, it would be played by a male actor and in the Matrix be represented in a female form, hence the name "Switch". Warner Brothers refined the idea and McClory ended up getting a single female role in both environments.

The creators can't distinguish art from it's creators.

Not a meme.
We're now at symbols of symbols. Self referential mythology.
See MCU.

>so the Heaven Matrix and Hell Matrix had Ones too?
no, the One is the solution to why those versions failed
presumably, Zion didn't exist during the Heaven and Hell matrix days

Highly overrated christ allegory that borrows heavily from meme cyberpunk stories, Lewis Caroll, and Dark City which was also in production at the time. It had good SFX which is the biggest take-home.
Sequels are mediocre and their effects somehow age even more poorly. At least the soundtracks and scores hold up.

Radpeelz come from Lewis Caroll. Virtually nothing from The Matrix is original.

correct
neo is in the 6th version of the matrix, but is only the 4th 'One'

>the problem is choice
>it's the only choice
fucking machines just don't understand choice

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no reason to add in unnecessary maths here
if anything you'd add heaven and hell to the number of matrices, not subtract them from the number of Ones

I did add Heaven and Hell.

Architect counts them as 6, with heaven being the 1st and Hell being the 2nd

kek tf is this post?

Wrong
Architect says he counts from the emergence of one anomaly to the next - meaning 6 Ones

heaven and hell are not counted by him

Basado

no he doesn't, he says this will be the sixth time they've destroyed Zion and that Neo is the sixth One
it's confusing because he then immediately talks about the Heaven being "the first matrix I designed" but he's talking about 6 cycles of the One plus heaven, plus hell

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You're right, I got confused by Architect's own version of counting things and thrown off by him calling heaven the "first matrix"

Take your pills. Your real ones.

If you know something about the choice you have no choice at all if you want to remain truthful to your principals. More a test of: Who R U REALLY alice?

oh i dont know. im talking about their perception of freedom which is getting rid of the machines, ending the matrix and attempt to recreate a society

>redpill me on the Matrix
user, I…

Why do boomers always hate sequels?

WE TRULY ARE LIVING IN THE MATRIX

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Trannies made the most powerful redpill movie ever.

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All 3 movies were absolute masterpieces ahead of their time. Reloaded is my favorite due to the chateau fight scene and the highway chase.
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Proto-capeshit with worse sequels than the Star Wars prequels.

I'm rewatching the Animatrix, something weird is that the squids are like the first thing the machines make once they have their own city.
It makes more sense than keeping humanoid forms I guess, but they always seemed like a more recent machine to me or at least something made for war.

chances of this occurring are so low, I treat it as a proof we live in a simulation.

finally

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The Animatrix is fan fiction

heh, based

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quiet npc

So close but so far

Wachowski brothers/sisters/whatever were involved.

wrong
The Matrix Online, now that's fanfiction

Meaningless. George Lucas is "involved" with the Star Wars reboots. Doesn't mean they aren't fanfic.

The Wachowskis wrote 2nd Renaissance part 1 and 2, which are the only stories that really matter to the overarching narrative

>George Lucas is "involved" with the Star Wars reboots
Actually he isn't. He gave them story treatments but they never used them and told him to go take a hike.

>George Lucas is "involved" with the Star Wars reboots.
No, he's not. Fuck off retard.

BASEDT

KETAMINE

The Zion shit should be obvious enough, as well as the fact that almost all the 'real' human population there are brown, while almost all of the Matrix is shown as White.

Despite that, the first two films are pretty good. The third was a let-down.

>You will be required to select 23 individuals from the Matrix - 7 male, 16 female, to rebuild Zion
That seems pretty low, that's like bare minimum for a viable population in terms of genetic diversity and re-population

I'm scared bros

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also consider the Zion we know from the movies has a population of 250,000

I guess the machines would probably leave some parts of Zion still functional (like the water purifier) and maybe even let them keep a single hovercraft so they can start "saving" people from the Matrix again almost immediately

they start freeing people pretty early I guess, especially with the One helping them out

Reloaded has possibly the worst ever audio in a movie

Matriculated is the only part of the Animatrix to be 100% scrubbed from canon. Say something nice about it.

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>The previous One's all helped rebuild Zion knowing full well it was just another system of control and that the people they were freeing would be doomed to live in a shitty cave and eventually be genocided by machines
what a bunch of dicks

i'm going to see a screening of it on friday night pretty excited

the previous ones were all a bunch of sexless christ figures who were unwilling to let the people still plugged in die for the minority in zion

maybe they hoped next time humans would do better in the conflict
maybe they were cowards
they made the right "decision" though I guess
wait a minute, Neo being the kind of person to tell the Architect to fuck off is what gave Smith the power that eventually let Neo use Smith as a bargaining chip so all any of the Ones had to do was not play ball and humanity would have been saved

I'M THE ONE WHO TALKS!
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>all any of the Ones had to do was not play ball and humanity would have been saved
Smith only existed in Neo's cycle though, so the other Ones would have been left without that bargaining chip

It's true though that Neo was the only one with the balls to at least try

Hi sutti

>Smith only existed in Neo's cycle though
Neo's defiance is what made Smith reject being deleted and come back as a rogue program, Smith and the Oracle tell Neo this in no uncertain terms.

Smith had returned as a rogue program at the beginning of Reloaded, long before Neo meets the Architect and makes his choice

Ah, but you missed what that user was saying
it's like the Oracle tells Neo
>You're already made the choice, now you have to understand why you made it
what user is saying is that Neo's inherently rebellious nature, which imprinted on Smith, is what made him go rogue

So any previous Ones who were willing to reject the Architect would have most likely created their own Smith

It's just like the prequels in star wars, good stories but hampered by shit directing

We've been dreaming all this time
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>On an interesting note, there is a newspaper clipping found during a Zion critical mission about a 27-year-old woman named Sarah Edmontons (an anagram for "Thomas Anderson") waking up from a coma and leaving the hospital on her own.
>In the text, there was a note written on it asking, "Is this him?" Furthermore, on one Machines' set of critical missions, it turned out that Edmontons does not exist in any known database, therefore supporting the speculation that Edmontons is Neo.
>Although no outright comments have been made, developers have hinted that Edmontons would have played a role in the future.
I'm glad I didn't play this MMO, the story continuation sounds like garbage that only shits on the movies.

Total Recall did that first though

this is worse than "zion was another matrix" posters

Smith was always created. The Matrix is an imperfect system which creates errors. They cannot control 100% of humans.

So they created a system of control. The One is basically the living embodiment of errors and helps reset the Matrix AND reset the status quo of freed minds.

When Neo said fuck you to the Architect he was basically damning machines and humans and this is why the bargain was struck in the end.

The machines didn't anticipate that Neo's emotions for trilogy would essentially wipe out his logical choice of helping reset the status quo.

This is correct and pleb filter

>Smith was always created.
that's wrong and the other replies to that post explain why

I feel like even if Neo had never met Trinity and wasn't in love with anyone else, he still would have told the architect to fuck himself.

He was just that kind of guy

>Neo's inherently rebellious nature, which imprinted on Smith, is what made him go rogue
This is wrong. Smith was shown to be rebellious even prior to "imprinting". In the Matrix he takes off his earpiece to talk to Morpheus about what he thinks of humans and the other Agents ask what he is doing.

Smith is just a created bug of the system.

Go back and watch Smith's first scene with Neo in Reloaded

>When you destroyed me, something happened, something changed. I knew what I was supposed to do, but I couldn't, I was compelled somehow to rebel. Maybe some part of you imprinted on me.
not an exact quote he basically credits Neo for his being able to choose to go rogue, as before even if he had those tendencies he never would have actually done it

This, the idea that zion and neo are just another layer of control is something npc's can't handle.

I think you've got the wrong end of the stick so I'll be a bit clearer:
When I said Smith was always created I didn't mean the Smith, I just meant in general rogue programs and errors were made by the Matrix and that Neo reset the status quo.

Every One faced a similar threat otherwise there would be no point of them returning to the source and the machines wouldn't need this other level of control.

Freed minds cause the Matrix to eventually destablise because it is an imperfect system but the most efficient one they could create with their knowledge of humans.

Oh OK, that I agree with. The Oracle even says to Neo that smith is his counterpart or his negative, that "he's you"

I guess the previous Ones just took the deal to reset everything so their own version of a "smith" would have never progressed nearly as far as the one we know did

Its canon

Smith's rebellious nature was the Matrix trying to account for Neo, even before Neo destroyed Smith at the end of the first movie

I just hope we get more Matrix themed FunHaus kino

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their own versions of Smith were good boys that got deleted, and that's assuming every One even did the "jump in an agent" thing
there really is no reason to assume everyone One created a rogue Agent

you are seriously mentally ill

DAMN. well done lads, well done

everyone getting butt devasted at being called an NPC, what's wrong with being a NPC? you literally are an NPC in everyone's else's life but your own

A disturbance in the matrix

ur taking it literally, the idea is some people are unthinking, mainstream politic-consuming, corporate schlock-consuming drones, which is pretty true to some extent

Funny how NPCs act like sequels are garbage but will mindlessly love Marvel shit. Say what you will about the trannies but even at their worst their level of filmmaking is still at the top 1% of Hollywood blockbuster standards.

HE'S BEGINNING TO BELIEVE

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Now this is the kind of get Yea Forums needs.

it had humans using a jacked in tarsier as binoculars
that was neat. lore breaking, but neat