Name a more effective pleb filter than Game of Thrones Season 8

Name a more effective pleb filter than Game of Thrones Season 8

Protip: You can't

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Yeah Arya killing Night King was the best thing E V E R

YASSSSSSSSSSSS QWEEEN

Finnegans Wake

It was so fucking bad and nonsensical. George is a hack.

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the upcoming season
Gabi is the true pleb filter

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Literally the whole show is Arya training to kill the Night King

So, the contrarian meme starts now

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Name one (1) good thing about Game of Thrones season 8

qyburn memes

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Cutest psycho!

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Nigga where the fuck do you think you are

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JON SHOULD HAVE KILLED THE NIGHT KING
ARYA SHOULD HAVE KILLED CERSEI
JORAH SHOULD HAVE KILLED DANY
I SHOULD HAVE KILLED MYSELF

Maario Naharis

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Nobody should have killed Dany. Jorcuck definitely shouldn't have. He is a pathetic creep. He always was.

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>JON SHOULD HAVE KILLED THE NIGHT KING
>ARYA SHOULD HAVE KILLED CERSEI
>STANNIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN KING
>DANY AND JON SHOULD HAVE FUCKED OFF TO THE HOUSE WITH A RED DOOR
>YOU SHOULD HAVE KILLED YOURSELF
Fix'd

I would’ve made love to her right in that ash/snow covered throne room

Based

Kingslandingers arent people

Imagine believing that liking trash makes you superior.

Episode 5 was great prove me wrong, pro tip you can't.

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>Episode 5 was great
Nope. It was illogical trash with zero stakes.

AAAAAHHHHH JON PLEASE LOVE ME

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The battles in Game of Thrones have never ever made sense it was still great. People are just mad because it turned out that a bad person was actually a bad person.

EP3 was a shit battle and EP5 didn't have a battle

>The battles in Game of Thrones have never ever made sense it was still great.
Battle of The Bastards was nonsensical but it still was iconic and full of tension. The Bells was neither of those things.
>People are just mad because it turned out that a bad person was actually a bad person.
No, people are mad because the ending was completely unearned. The show character assassinated EVERYBODY to reach George's shit ending, and it still made zero sense.

>the dragon understands symbolism so he burns the thrones

litteraly SW prequels tier

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>illogical
Jon killing Dany was the fulfillment of the prophecy of Azor Ahai. Drogon rising out of the snow was a direct parallel to the Night King emerging from dragon fire, establishing a duality of ice and fire.

>zero stakes
Dany would have conscripted all the armies of Westeros to wage her wars of "liberation", like America's coalition for war in Iraq but much worse and more expansive. After Littlefinger crashed Kings Landing's economy with no survivors, and Casterly Rock running out of gold, and winter coming, it would have been an absolute disaster for Westeros.

This. Snowflake Millennials thought this was a grown-up Harry Potter where the strong independent white woman frees the oppressed brown people and smashes the patriarchy. Instead Game of Thrones gave them a realistic look at the nature of power and the types of people that pursue it.

The show literally says early on that dragons are smarter than humans

(You)

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too bad they're so retarded they don't stop dany from burning a town, ultimately leading her to her death

This

>Jon killing Dany was the fulfillment of the prophecy of Azor Ahai.
He killed Dany because she went crazy. She went crazy because she couldn't get a hug from Jon. Jon wouldn't give her a hug because he didn't like incest. Aunt-nephew incest is not considered incest in Westeros. The Azor Ahai shit is your headcanon.
>Dany would have conscripted all the armies of Westeros to wage her wars of "liberation", like America's coalition for war in Iraq but much worse and more expansive.
That's not the point of what I said. Episode 5 had no stakes. It had Cleganebowl, which did not matter. It had Euron vs Jaime, which was nonsense and did not matter. It had Arya running around with plot armor, which was a waste of screentime and did not matter. The episode had ZERO stakes and made no sense.

From episode 3-6, there were inconsistencies, gaffs, etc. whatever you name it, nearly every other minute. It would make sense, since Benioff and Weiss took over the season from that point on. Honestly whenever anyone tells me they thought this show was good last season, I honestly wonder what other shows and movies they've watched in their life. At least in something like Gotham or other schlock, it's pretty hammy whereas GOT tried to have a discussion about power and the real world and ended up embarrassing itself so much they had to prevent people from downloading their Emmy nominated script.

Should I watch Gotham or is it unwatchable tier

the entire show is a pleb filter you mongoloid, read the books

>iconic and full of tension
That's entirely subjective.
>the ending was completely unearned
And how would you want it to be earned?

It was a genius satire of George's ending that did exactly the opposite of what it was supposed to, in a good way

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>That's entirely subjective.
And Battle of The Bastards has a 9.9 on IMDB, while The Bells has a 6.1. There is no tension in The Bells for reasons you have ignored.
>And how would you want it to be earned?
I don't think it can be earned because it is nihilistic trash. D&D definitely made it nonsensical with their 6 episode season.

Underrated post

I'd only recommend it if you want something sort of Batman related. It feels very much like a cartoon in that yes, it's sort of serious with cops and villains, but at the same time, when the Riddler or some shit walks into the room, of course it starts getting a little goofy, so it's easier to overlook shit like villains not dying just as you would in a superhero cartoon, since they need to be used again later.

The reason episode 5 is rated so low is because retarded faggots wanted a Disney-esque ending with maybe a little bit of heartbreak.
>it is nihilistic trash
How is it nihilistic?

>Dany bad

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>implying what we got wasn't disney
based retard

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>The reason episode 5 is rated so low is because retarded faggots wanted a Disney-esque ending
The ending we got was straight-up Disney, you absolute retard. The only difference was that it made NO SENSE.
>How is it nihilistic?
Don't help anybody, because they will hate you for no reason. Don't love anybody, because they will backstab and murder you. Don't exercise restraint, because your loved ones will be killed. Don't give anybody a second (more like millionth chance), because they will backstab you regardless.

The ending is completely unearned and nihilistic trash.

It was only 6 episodes. It could’ve been longer.

I love how even the actors and feminists fucking hated it or pretended to like it.

Double dubs

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This

It was just a matter of time, really

Kit straight up said he hated it

It's only one or two guys, they've been doing it awhile

>the ending Reddit hates is the Disney ending

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Not an argument and using Reddit as a boogeyman even though the ending is hated in numerous groups.

Reddit loves Queen Sansa and le warrior queen Arya

COPE

Literally the whole show is Arya training to kill and killing. If she didn't kill the Night King her entire character arc throughout the whole show would have made no sense.

Not an argument. Do you have anything interesting to say?

all of the groups that aren't Yea Forums are reddit

>Literally the whole show is Arya training to kill and killing
Holy fucking shit that goblin never fought a undead much less a fucking White Walker kill yourself you fucking tranny

her arc was killing Cersei and the Freys you mentally ill nigger
NK was Jon's

>Trains whole show to be an assassin and espionage agent who can change faces
>Kills an immortal ice necromancer who can instakill a dragon with knife trick

>Literally the whole show is Arya training to kill and killing.
Bitch, she trained for a few months, at most, with Syrio Forrel. She didn't train with at all in Harrenhall. She barely trained by herself when traveling with Sandor Clegane. She swept, mopped floors, sold shellfish, and fought with a stick in the dark for a few months. THAT NOT ONLY MAKES HER THE BEST FIGHTER ON THE PLANET BUT GIVES HER TELEPORTATION POWERS AND RIDICULOUS PLOT ARMOR?

Dabid, please. You are embarrassing yourself.

Literally fucking Sam one shots the first White Walker early on in the show with the right weapon. Arya spends the whole show training and has a Valyrian steel knife.

Yea Forums also hates the ending, retard. Literally contrarians and schedenfreude fags are the only ones who like it.

Reddit wanted a LE EPIC XD sword fight between Jon and the Night King, even though the latter wielded a glorified ice sickle and we were given no indication that he was a master swordsman.

Arya was also an agent of death just like the Night King. She killed the Night King with Valyrian steel, which is like the dragonglass that created the Night King. But she also struggled with her identity which is what made her want to defend Winterfell, so she wasn't really a bona fide agent of death, just like Valyrian Steel isn't really dragonglass.

>Arya spends the whole show training and has a Valyrian steel knife.
You are lying and the knife was introduced to her in 2017. Training does not grant one the powers of teleportation.

HE PICKED HER BY THE THROAT YOU NIGGER
D&D LITERALLY CHOSE HER TO KILL NK BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE EXPECTING JON TO DO IT AND THEY WANTED TO SUBVERT EXPECTATIONS IT'S ON THE GAME REVEALED SHIT

The show didn't do a great job of stressing this, but the House of Black and White is a religious temple, not just an assassin's guild. Arya was an acolyte of the same god of death that was responsible for the Night King.

Why would the Night King want her to take out his own agent? Well, she was unlike any of the other acolytes in that she refused to lose her identity, which is what made her go back to Winterfell. She is the Valyrian Steel to the Night King's dragonglass. It's like poetry, it rhymes.

>even though the latter wielded a glorified ice sickle and we were given no indication that he was a master swordsman
They literally changed the NK actor to a performer because of that, and they didn't even used it

>Reddit wanted a LE EPIC XD sword fight between Jon and the Night King
Again, appealing to the Reddit boogeyman when The Long Night was fucking hated far more on here than on Reddit.
>Arya was also an agent of death just like the Night King.
She literally failed assassin college.
>She killed the Night King with Valyrian steel, which is like the dragonglass that created the Night King.
Nobody is arguing against that point.
>But she also struggled with her identity which is what made her want to defend Winterfell, so she wasn't really a bona fide agent of death, just like Valyrian Steel isn't really dragonglass.
She became a psychopathic serial killer FOR FREE, and the show never depicted that as a bad thing. The show demonized Dany for crucifying slavers, but made Arya into a badass, "you go girl!" type character with ZERO consequences.

Literally the whole show is about subverting expectations. Red Wedding?

Go back

THIS

>The show didn't do a great job of stressing this, but the House of Black and White is a religious temple, not just an assassin's guild. Arya was an acolyte of the same god of death that was responsible for the Night King.
Your headcanon. If it is not depicted onscreen in an adequate way, it is bad writing. Period.
>Why would the Night King want her to take out his own agent? Well, she was unlike any of the other acolytes in that she refused to lose her identity, which is what made her go back to Winterfell. She is the Valyrian Steel to the Night King's dragonglass. It's like poetry, it rhymes.
More of your headcanon to justify bad writing. D&D had Arya kill The Night King to subvert expectations. That's it and that's all.

THIS SO MUCH THIS THANK YOU REDDIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

People will eventually stop talking about this Garbage (S5+) show now it's over.

I liked the season better than if it was just mediocre since it Emiliapilled so many people, the ends justify the means

>THE BITCH MADE ME BEND THE KNEE SAVE ME SANSA
first 5 minutes contradicted the whole of season 7 kek, Emmy award winning writing

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lmfao

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We're talking about episode 5 here. Aside from Jaime and his sister dying together nothing was Disney-esque in that episode.
>The ending is completely unearned and nihilistic trash.
Again what is unearned about it? Besides Episode 5 has a pretty clear moral message, they hardly could have made it anymore obvious.

>nothing was Disney-esque in that episode
Do you even fucking Arya?

What's Disney-esque about witnessing the sacking of a city?

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>We're talking about episode 5 here.
No, bitch, you brought up a Disney ENDING. Stop pretending that episode 5 exists in a vacuum.
>Again what is unearned about it? Besides Episode 5 has a pretty clear moral message, they hardly could have made it anymore obvious.
You ignored my entire post, you complete faggot. What kind of way of argument is this? Sansa can be a backstabbing bitch and get away scottfree. Where is the moral message of her becoming Queen for free? For no logical reason?

>pretty clear moral message
>WAR BAD
Genius

>gives up on killing cersei because the hound had a 3 minute talk with her
>dies 9 times during the episode
>turns out she didn't
>deus ex machina horse

Nice thread you got here. Think I'll take it

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This show had some of the worst writing in television history. Literally.

Season 9 is looking good

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>No, bitch, you brought up a Disney ENDING
Don't be autistic.
>Stop pretending that episode 5 exists in a vacuum.
I'm not, follow the thread. We're talking about episode 5 specifically.
>Sansa can be a backstabbing bitch and get away scottfree.
She halted the selfish plans of an pretender. What's wrong with that?
Exactly, it's not a mind blowing message by anybodies standards but iit's hardly nihilistic.

>any of that
>Disney-esque

>Genetic determinism and eugenics aren't nihilistic

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yes, are you retarded? Arya should have been killed in the first building that collapsed into her

>Don't be autistic.
Bitch, YOU brought up a "Disney Ending," and then you tried to claim, "I only meant episode five," when you got called out. Stop backpedaling.
>I'm not, follow the thread. We're talking about episode 5 specifically.
Episode 5 doesn't exist in a vacuum. I already stated why it was shit, for reasons you ignored. You also claimed that people don't like it--sorry, Reddit boogeyman--because it didn't have "Disney-esque ending." You have no leg to stand on. I explained why the episode was shit, and then you dodge 90% of my posts.
>Exactly, it's not a mind blowing message by anybodies standards but iit's hardly nihilistic.
Literally ignored my points yet again. You're like D&D: if it doesn't fit your narrative, you pretend like it doesn't exist.

You can't deny.

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...that she looks like shit. Do you find her attractive because your jailbait became legal?

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The thing is that she didn't go crazy.
>and then you tried to claim, "I only meant episode five,"
Follow the thread.> I already stated why it was shit, for reasons you ignored
You haven't really. You've said it's unearned, I asked you why and how it could be earned you avoided that question and you said it's nihilistic despite the glaringly obvious moral message it had.
>Literally ignored my points yet again.
Because they're irrelevant, it has an incredibly obvious moral message and nothing you say can change that.

Anyone else actually happy it ended in a dumpster fire with everyone shitting on it? Always felt this show was overrated.

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Dios mío, espíritu del Señor, espíritu de Dios, Padre, Hijo y Espíritu Santo, Santísima Trinidad, Virgen Inmaculada. Ángeles, arcángeles y santos del Paraíso, descended sobre mí. Fúndeme, Señor. Lléname de ti. Expulsa de mí todas las fuerzas del mal. Aniquílalas, destrúyelas, expulsa de mí los maleficios, la magia negra. El Ogro de Las Tinieblas. La Luz Extinguido. El Insecto. Por favor, destruye la infestación diabólica. Todo lo que es mal, pecado, envidia, celos y perfidia. La enfermedad física, psíquica, moral, espiritual y diabólica. Destruye al Monstruo. A La Creatura. Quema este mal en el Infierno, para que nunca más me toquen a mí, ni a ningún ser. Ordeno y mando con la fuerza de Dios omnipotente en nombre de Jesucristo salvador, por intermedio de la Virgen Inmaculada, a todos los espíritus inmundos, a todas las presencias del Goblino, que me abandonen inmediatamente, que me abandonen definivamente y que se vayan al Infierno eterno. El Chupa-Chupacabras no puede triunfar. El Monstruo. El Abominación debe morir. Encadenado por San Miguel Arcángel, por San Gabriel, por San Rafael, aplastado por el talón de la Virgen Santísima Inmaculada. Aleja a la aberración genética. Al Ogro del Este. El goblino.

Uh yeah she did that was the whole point

I expected the end to be shit. It's an ending from 1991 for a trilogy that's both slower and longer than George ever planned and his shit writing trying to make it fit was readily appare6,see fAegon. It was, is and always will be shit

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>Follow the thread
Again, episode 5 does not exist in a vacuum. This is not Law & Order.
>You haven't really. You've said it's unearned
And you have addressed none of my reasons why it is unearned.
>I asked you why and how it could be earned you avoided that question
No, I did not. I straight up said that it was trash and made no sense.
>and you said it's nihilistic despite the glaringly obvious moral message it had.
Literal retard who yet again ignored everything I posted. What is the moral message, retard. Please, enlighten me.
>Because they're irrelevant
No, because they are inconvenient to your argument.
>it has an incredibly obvious moral message and nothing you say can change that.
This is borderline begging the question. What is the moral message and how was it earned?

Unlike the mad kind Dany tried to justify her actions, she thought she did the right thing.
>Again, episode 5 does not exist in a vacuum.
Never said it did and at that point you don't even know the point of why you're saying this.
>my reasons why it is unearned.
Such as.
>I straight up said that it was trash and made no sense
That's not an answer to my question.
>What is the moral message
WAR BAD
Episode 5 heavily evoked the imagery of lots of war movies and imagery from war in general, it was pretty on the nose.
>No, because they are inconvenient to your argument.
They're not at all, if they were I'd consider them in my argument.
>What is the moral message and how was it earned?
WAR BAD and it terms of how it was earned, I think that's pretty obvious. War has always been a bloody affair in the world of GoT.

>WAR BAD
Not him but lol. Except when you're a Stark, in which case you're justified, morally in the right and know best

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Imagine being Ramsay Bolton in that rape scene and having to be all like "damn, Sophie, you fuckin' fine, all sexy with your rectangular ass and horrific androgynous monster face. I would totally have sex with you, both my character and the real me." when all he really wants to do is fuck another 16 year old in his dressing room. Like seriously imagine having to be Ramsay and not only stand behind Sophie Turner while she flaunts her disgusting body in front of you, the favorable lighting barely concealing her stretchmarks and sagging ass, and just stand there, take after take, hour after hour, while she bent over offering up her rear. Not only having to tolerate her monstrous fucking visage but her haughty attitude as everyone on set tells her she's STILL GOT IT and DAMN, SANSA LOOKS LIKE THAT?? because they're not the ones who have to sit there and watch her mannish fucking gremlin face contort into types of grimaces you didn't even know existed before that day. You've been fucking nothing but a healthy diet of blondes and supermodels and later alleged rape victims for your ENTIRE CAREER coming straight out of the boonies in Bongistan. You've never even seen anything this fucking disgusting before, and now you swear you can taste the sweat that's breaking out on her dimpled stomach as she sucks it in to writhe it suggestively at you, smugly assured that you are enjoying the opportunity to get paid to stand behind her and thrust into her "statuesque (for that is what she calls herself)" beauty, the beauty she worked so hard for with personal trainers in the previous months. And then the director calls for another take, and you know you could kill every single person in this room before the studio security could put you down, but you stand there and endure, because you're fucking Ramsay. You're not going to lose your future acting career over this. Just bear it. Hide her face and bear it.

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I dunno why people are still arguing over this dumb shit months later. Just go watch Preston’s video on it. The story is ultimately pointless, confused and often contradictory, which is why it was so ineffective at the most base level.

Compared to Dany for sure.

>Never said
You constantly repeated that you were ONLY talking about episode 5, you disingenuous faggot.
>Such as.
I already posted them and you ignored it.
>That's not an answer to my question.
Your question is tantamount to asking, "When did you stop beating your wife?" I disagree with your premise entirely. That's not avoiding the question.
>WAR BAD
>Episode 5 heavily evoked the imagery of lots of war movies and imagery from war in general, it was pretty on the nose.
That is a completely unearned and nonsensical message, given the ENTIRETY of ASOIAF lore. It also makes no sense in the context of season 8. Dany won and then killed a million people because "she saw the Red Keep." It was unearned and illogical.
>They're not at all, if they were I'd consider them in my argument.
No, you just ignored my points and claimed I didn't have an argument.
>WAR BAD and it terms of how it was earned, I think that's pretty obvious. War has always been a bloody affair in the world of GoT.
Complete and utter nonsense. War got the Targaryens the Seven Kingdoms. War prevented Stannis from sacking King's Landing. War = BAD when Dany already fucking won? It was not war. It was a nonsensical burning of King's Landing that happened for nonsensical reasons.

Shit, I am sorry. Episode 5 exists in a vacuum, so the buildup doesn't count, according to you.

>Denying reality after mental breakdown isn't madness

Compared to everyone. So that moral is contradictory and hypocritical

Yeah war of liberation is less justified than war over personal squabbles between lords

>ogro del este
she is a westerner

moar Alys

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Dany had a more sound basis from which to take KL than Sansa and Jon did to get thousands killed during BoB. The show tried to spin it as otherwise in order to forward its story. This is all BEFORE she randomly burned KL, which was not planned according to Benioff and Weiss until the last seconds for some reason. It’s moments like this that add up to the show breaking its own story and immersion of the viewer. All it took was for one person to call out Tyrion on this obvious tidbit and it ruins their entire story. The story is flimsy if all it takes is one character acting reasonably.

>WAR BAD
So the Stark forces were portrayed in a negative light during the Battle of The Bastards? I mean, they started a war, right?

>Trains whole show
she literally dropped out of Faceless Man basic-training.

What was the point of this nigga again?

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It's not even just that, if you're suddenly gonna pretend this show is anti-war, anti-violence then you shouldn't have shown those badass walk-off scenes where Sansa and Arya cruelly murdering people. like a season or two ago Like shit nigga, I'll take Drogon burning me in seconds than being torn apart by a Hound or being cut apart to make pies to make some stupid girls look like badass killers.

George's self insert so he can give himself a happy ending, kids and a devoted waifu who loves him as he is including his mind. Has Sam ever even been rejected by a girl?

GURM self insert

Daenerys and Jon forget that marriage exists, despite marriage being the reason that Dany dropped Daario. Jon forgot that Starks practiced incest. Jon forgot that aunt-nephew relations aren't seen as incest in Westeros. Jon acts completely out of character and lies about why he bent the knee. He also ignores Daenerys for no reason. He also doesn't console Daenerys when her friend and (his) dragon died, despite immediately apologizing for Viserion dying. He just goes to Dragonstone to reject Dany and make her feel bad.

But episode 5 was "earned" according to one contrarian faggot.

>ou constantly repeated that you were ONLY talking about episode 5, you disingenuous faggot.
Because you tried to drag me into an argument about the rest of the season and I'm not interested in that.
>I already posted them and you ignored it.
You gave me reasons for why you think it's nihilistic but I'm not seeing any deliberation on why it's unearned.
>Your question is tantamount to asking, "When did you stop beating your wife?" I disagree with your premise entirely. That's not avoiding the question.
You said it's unearned, it's a fair question to ask then how it could be earned.
>That is a completely unearned and nonsensical message, given the ENTIRETY of ASOIAF lore
GRRM is a conscientious objector he's probably not fond of war. I haven't read the books but sack of Kings Landing is mentioned in the show and even narrated by his actor as some extra I think so as far as I know that's not true.
>No, you just ignored my points
Because they're irrelevant.
>War got the Targaryens the Seven Kingdoms
And countless unnamed people died as a result.
>War prevented Stannis from sacking King's Landing.
An army did.
>It was not war
It was a result of war, just like rape. Rape isn't war, sacking a city isn't war, tearing up a map and creating a new arbitrary or poorly thought out one isn't war but they're some of the reasons why war is bad.
Hearts and minds user, OORAH.
>saving humankind
>My brother said it's his turn to play Xbox but he's dead so it's my right to play Xbox now
She had no right.

true loyalty

>Hearts and minds user, OORAH
Oh fuck off. That war is bad "moral" is bullshit on its face. George is a hack

>She had no right.
Funny thing is, she had every reason to. The show went out of its way to present Cersei as a threat upon the lives of every character on Dany's side. Sansa literally says they're not safe from Cersei in S7 and was basically urging Jon to get ready to go to war with Cersei. Dany was backed by several leaders of the major kingdoms going into KL, of kingdoms that had brought her to Westeros in the first place to do take KL from Cersei. The show also portrayed Cersei and Euron as a threat that kept growing and growing the longer they were left unchecked. Most of Westeros had urged her to end this war quickly.

Again all you needed was for Dany to say, look at what happen to Ellaria and Yara. Look at what happen to Highgarden. Look at what happen to Rhaegal. This would completely turn the show on its head because Tyrion would look completely idiotic to the audience for continuing down the same road that got so many killed already with his bullshit. Basically one character says something so obvious to the audience is all it took for the show to go in a completely different direction. Just piss poor writing.

>Because you tried to drag me into an argument about the rest of the season and I'm not interested in that.
You claimed that episode 5 was good. You claimed that people hated it because it wasn't "Disney-esque" with its ending, even though it doesn't have an ending and ends on a cliffhanger. You tried to pretend that episode 5 exists in a vacuum, which it doesn't. You are a disingenuous faggot.
>You gave me reasons for why you think it's nihilistic but I'm not seeing any deliberation on why it's unearned.
Lying yet again for reasons already posted.
>You said it's unearned, it's a fair question to ask then how it could be earned.
I already stated why it was unearned, disingenuous faggot. You didn't address my points.
>GRRM is a conscientious objector he's probably not fond of war.
Irrelevant to my point. Irrelevant to what was depicted on screen. Irrelevant and contradictory to anti-war messages.
>I haven't read the books but sack of Kings Landing is mentioned in the show and even narrated by his actor as some extra I think so as far as I know that's not true.
Again, it was not war. It was genocide for no reason. War has also been used in a positive light when it comes to the Starks. It only becomes bad, for some reason, when Dany initiates it.
>And countless unnamed people died as a result.
You know how many "unnamed people" died so the Starks could rule the North? And why is liberating the North from the Boltons good, but liberating the South from Cersei bad?
>It was a result of war
No, it was not. She won. Then she committed genocide for no personal gain. That's not war. That's illogical.

To add to my comment. Cersei also just tried to have Tyrion and Jaime assassinated like an hour or whatever before that. The longer she was alive, the more likelier the chance somebody on their side was gonna end up dead and their blood on Tyrion's hands...again.

This is all without going into the fact that the show also presents this childish notion that if you attack the city, then the whole thing will have to burn down. All you need is someone with a brain on Dany's side to suggest that she just burn down the gates, have the Unsullied storm the city and take it. They do not rape and kill women and children if ordered not to, they were built for this very moment.

Trying to justify an agressive war is even bigger bullshit than WAR BAD. I mean in fiction there's generally a pretty good reason but not in Danys case.
Doesn't really matter if a bunch of nobles killed each other though. Certainly better than going to war.
>You claimed that people hated it because it wasn't "Disney-esque" with its ending, even though it doesn't have an ending and ends on a cliffhanger.
No I said people hated it because they wanted a Disney-esque ending i.e.an ending with Dany as muh righteous YAAAS QUEEN or at the very least with her dying but doing so as a good person and episode 5 completely killed any chance of that happening.
>I already stated why it was unearned,
Okay where?
>it was not war.
Yeah it happened alongside war. Historical examples of bad things happening to forcefully taken cities are plenty.
>War has also been used in a positive light when it comes to the Starks.
It's always lead to their family getting smaller, i'd hardly call that positive.
> And why is liberating the North from the Boltons good, but liberating the South from Cersei bad?
Because one is a mission to save humankind in Westeros and the other is just hearts and minds bullshit.
>That's illogical.
Welcome to war during the middle ages 101.

>in fiction there's generally a pretty good reason but not in Danys case.
But then that conflicts with you saying the moral is war is bad. And the only side that ever has a good reason are the Starks who in George's mind can do no wrong because only bad evil hateful people will give out a consequence

>Trying to justify an agressive war is even bigger bullshit than WAR BAD. I mean in fiction there's generally a pretty good reason but not in Danys case.
Cersei LITERALLY betrayed humanity while Dany risked her life to save it. What is the message here?
>No I said people hated it because they wanted a Disney-esque ending i.e.an ending with Dany as muh righteous YAAAS QUEEN or at the very least with her dying but doing so as a good person and episode 5 completely killed any chance of that happening.
And what we got was completely nonsensical and unearned.
>Okay where?
Here's my post you completely ignored.
>Yeah it happened alongside war. Historical examples of bad things happening to forcefully taken cities are plenty.
But what is the difference? How is the Starks taking back Winterfell a good thing, but Dany taking back King's Landing a bad thing?
>It's always lead to their family getting smaller, i'd hardly call that positive.
They got their home back and remained independent without committing genocide. They fed a man to his dogs and it was portrayed as a good thing. You are a DIS IN GEN UOUS faggot.
>Because one is a mission to save humankind in Westeros and the other is just hearts and minds bullshit.
What? Dany already saved humankind and got nothing in return. Are you honestly stating that saving Winterfell from the Boltons is honorable while saving Westeros from Cersei isn't? Pathetic.
>Welcome to war during the middle ages 101.
Also, not an argument. War is bad, unless the Starks wage war. That is your shit argument.

>Doesn't really matter if a bunch of nobles killed each other though. Certainly better than going to war.
Except Tyrion's method is why this war has been prolonged and thousands died in S7 offscreen thanks to him.

The show literally tells you Dany could've ended the war in a single night with ease and she proved it. To argue otherwise is to argue in favor of Benioff and Weiss' childish false dilemnas that any normal person could see right through. Tyrion was proven to be utterly retarded and thus the show's entire message is undermined. It just once again showed you that fighting solves everything, just fight intelligently, which the show went out of its way to avoid and any 12 year old could've been a better Hand to Dany. The show basically falls apart at the seams the more you analyze its parts. If the only way you can forward your story is for characters to act retarded, then your story is probably horrible and likely fucked.

>dothraki all die
>"half are gone"

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>Dothraki seen just chilling on the docks of King's Landing
Well, if you say so, D&D. Logic and reasoning don't matter anymore.

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The Stark family was completely obliterated by their wars though.
>Cersei LITERALLY betrayed humanity while Dany risked her life to save it. What is the message here?
They're both bad people. Doing one good thing doesn't absolve you of all your crimes, if that was true everybody would love the Nazis for trying to get rid of the Jews.
>And what we got was completely nonsensical and unearned.
What's so nonsensical and unearned about a bad person doing bad things?
>Here's my post you completely ignored.
I acknowledged that post as what it is, reasons for why you think it's nihilistic.
>But what is the difference? How is the Starks taking back Winterfell a good thing, but Dany taking back King's Landing a bad thing?
One's a castle and taken in attempt to save humanity and the other is a city taken because some dumb cunt feels entitled and we've canonically already had problems when taking that city.
>They got their home back and remained independent without committing genocide.
Yeah and Dany started a war for oil, oh I meant to beat the evil capitalist pigs.
>What? Dany already saved humankind and got nothing in return.
Being succesful is her reward. Although she didn't actually help at all.
>Are you honestly stating that saving Winterfell from the Boltons is honorable while saving Westeros from Cersei isn't?
Yeah, they needed to defeat Ramsey to save humanity meanwhile Dany wanted Kings Landing because she felt entitled, she'd have taken it if Robert was still king as well. Plus Cersei wasn't nearly as much of a threat as the Aryan Brotherhood.
>War is bad, unless the Starks wage war.
It was a pretty bad thing for the Starks as well not only did they lose most of their family, they even partook in the rape in episode 5 and now a woman is their leader, that's pretty fucked if you ask me.

>Except Tyrion's method is why this war has been prolonged and thousands died in S7 offscreen thanks to him.
The war shouldn't have been started in the first place. Any and all deaths caused by it are Danys fault.

>They're both bad people
She was such an evil cunt making Jon bend the knee like that, glad he killed this evil tyrant

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Don't be obtuse.

>The Stark family was completely obliterated by their wars though.
Not only is your point nonsensical, but you do not understand what "obliterate" means.
>They're both bad people.
Arguing your conclusion in your premise.
>Doing one good thing doesn't absolve you of all your crimes
Dany literally fought to ensure the lives of everybody in Westeros. What did Hitler do that was in any way comparable?
>What's so nonsensical and unearned about a bad person doing bad things?
Another begging the question argument. The entire point of this argument is that Dany's actions don't make sense in episode 5, and your defense is that it makes sense because it makes sense. This is baby logic. How old are you?
>I acknowledged that post
You ignored my post and then claimed that I had no point. You continue to do so.
>One's a castle and taken in attempt to save humanity and the other is a city taken because some dumb cunt feels entitled and we've canonically already had problems when taking that city.
So Cersei commits mass terrorism and you think the ENTIRETY of Westeros isn't threatened by her being in power? You are honestly pathetic.
>Yeah and Dany started a war for oil
None of this statement makes any sense. It's analogous of nothing.
>Yeah, they needed to defeat Ramsey to save humanity meanwhile Dany wanted Kings Landing because she felt entitled
So, Cersei, who is a homicidal maniac, is not a threat to the Seven Kingdoms? The same Cersei who would rather let everybody die than give up a throne she has ZERO claim to?
>It was a pretty bad thing for the Starks as well not only did they lose most of their family, they even partook in the rape in episode 5 and now a woman is their leader, that's pretty fucked if you ask me.
Moving the goalpost AND false equivocation. Sansa gets everything she wanted, despite being a backstabbing cunt, but she got a bad ending solely because you claim she got a bad ending.

>Don't be obtuse.
You are being obtuse and dishonest, you fucking idiot.

The war was gonna happen either way you dumbfuck. Westeros was literally begging her to solve all their problems before she even set foot there. Several kingdoms were in a state of unrest and looking for blood before Dany even set foot in Westeros. Jon's heritage would also eventually get out even if Dany just stayed in Essos, which would likely spark a war against Cersei which the show made very clear that Westeros does not support her. The only reason it was so contained and clean for two seasons because Dany was such a powerful player with dragons that many of the kingdoms had backed and so they just sat back and chilled on the sidelines and did nothing. Cersei had no allies except half of the Iron Islands. Eventually fighting was just gonna break out.

Holy fuck you are retarded. You operate with the same logic as D&D, no wonder you defend their writing.

MUH MAD EVIL POWER HUNGRY KWEEN
>hey jon want a dragon

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>it sucks and no one likes it but me so it's kino and they're plebs

She gave him a dragon for free.

>The war shouldn't have been started in the first place.
Maybe you should've told Cersei that before she killed a bunch of important people and started one.

Imagine being such a contrarian faggot that you defend Cersei fucking Lannister. That would be embarrassing. Kek. She has no claim to the throne and is a terrorist. Sorry--she was a terrorist.

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Why are you creating your own headcanon? Arya literally agrees they couldn't have done it without her. It's true, without the force that she brought up to WF, the castle would've swamped and Arya would've been killed way earlier. Even with Jon's dumbass plan, they were getting destroyed and if not for Dany changing course, the castle would've been overrun even sooner.

Also Jon let thousands die in an attempt to save Rickon. Thousands died for Rickon Stark, not to save humanity. Dany on the otherhand, faced a threat that wanted to wipe out her and every one of her allies in Westeros. She was down to 1 dragon and half her armies at that point and the weight of several kingdoms on her shoulders. She had much more of a basis to attack KL than Jon did for Rickon.

>Even with Jon's dumbass plan
I absolutely refuse to believe that nobody would have raised objections to this plan, whether Jon made it or not. I refuse to believe that nobody raised questions about Jon being able to ride a dragon.

>but you do not understand what "obliterate" means
Don't be autistic, out of the original Stark family 4 remain and three of them gave up their name. Tthey've been royally fucked.
>Arguing your conclusion in your premise.
I've already said plenty on why she's a bad person.
>Dany literally fought to ensure the lives of everybody in Westeros.
Yeah that doesn't make her a good person. She only incidentally invaded Westeros to take it for herself at the right time to meet Jon and learn about his selfless quest to save everybody and she selfishly refused him at first.
>Dany literally fought to ensure the lives of everybody in Westeros.
He killed millions to save billions.
>and your defense is that it makes sense because it makes sense.
They make sense because she's a bad person.
>You ignored my post and then claimed that I had no point.
Because you don't.
>So Cersei commits mass terrorism and you think the ENTIRETY of Westeros isn't threatened by her being in power?
This is entering the realms of fan fiction.
>None of this statement makes any sense.
Oorah marine, hearts and minds.
>So, Cersei, who is a homicidal maniac, is not a threat to the Seven Kingdoms?
No more than Dany.
>Sansa gets everything she wanted
Yeah good for her, she's not a bad person. Boohoo she "betrayed" a petrender to the throne.
Hears and minds user.
>Eventually fighting was just gonna break out.
Dany would have attacked if Robert wasn't killed, you know know that right or if anybody else was King too.
Cercei is a bad person.
She's the reason the Aryan Brotherhood even got to Winterfell.

I've had pain in my chest area for about 4 months is that normal

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>Dany would have attacked if Robert wasn't killed, you know know that right or if anybody else was King too.
And this fact doesn't matter AT ALL because Robert was long dead and thanks to that, his widow eventually took the throne and pissed off Westeros right in time for Dany to ally with them and get rid of Cersei who nobody wanted to begin with. If it's the will of Westeros, then Westeros wanted Dany to become it's monarch more than it did any other person because we know of at least 3 Kingdoms whose leaders backed her, and that number could've gone as high as 4 to 5 to 6 easily with Robin and Gendry and maybe Edmure eventually. If you want to blame someone, blame Cersei for killing Robert and starting TWO wars.

The Aryan Brotherhood? You mean the AOTD? Jon is much to blame for losing a dragon as anybody because Dany, Varys and Davos told Jon to stay put. Then he goes on a literal suicide mission then chickens out and begs Dany to save him. After that everyone has to wait for this bum to get on the damn dragon so they can leave, which gives time for the NK to kill a dragon.

>And this fact doesn't matter AT ALL
it does matter in regards to her moral character.

>Don't be autistic, out of the original Stark family 4 remain and three of them gave up their name. Tthey've been royally fucked.
Royally fucked but they run Westeros? Kek.
>I've already said plenty on why she's a bad person.
"I'm right because I say I am right!"
>She only incidentally invaded Westeros to take it for herself at the right time to meet Jon and learn about his selfless quest to save everybody and she selfishly refused him at first.
She only vowed to defeat the Night King for fucking free. She is not a good person, though.
>He killed millions to save billions.
This doesn't make sense. I guess that it is a joke that fell flat.
>They make sense because she's a bad person.
Again, begging the question.
>This is entering the realms of fan fiction.
Cersei committing terrorism and getting away with it, isn't fanfiction? This is coming from a guy who claimed he never read any of the books? Kek.
>Yeah good for her, she's not a bad person. Boohoo she "betrayed" a petrender to the throne.
Sansa betrayed Jon in the Battle of the Bastards. She undermined him and tried to start another Dance of Dragons for no logical gain. Fuck you and fuck her.

Rightful claims don't matter unless they are convenient to my argument. LOL

>killed
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It doesn’t say a lot because she would just fit in with all the other characters in the early season then. Many of them had chances to avoid war and they all partook it in as seen in the war of the five kings. Just because you love Robert doesn’t mean he, himself, didn’t have thoughts of people abandoning him for a Targaryen should they ever return. It’s their way. Not everyone is a total cuck like Jon who has zero ambition in life after he died.

Moreso on topic, it matters not in the later seasons, since the landscape had changed greatly, so you’re just looking for anything to grasp at now. It’s pathetic really.

>Dany feels guilty explaining to Sam that she executed his brother and father for being traitors
>Sam sobs and angrily conspires against her and she doesn't do anything about it
>Sansa wants to make innocent children homeless because their parents were traitors and Jon has to be the one to forgive them
>Karstark and Umber kids don't cry or anything they just beg for mercy
But Dany's the bad queen and Sansa's the good queen kek

Sansa lied to and conspired against Jon numerous times. For no logical gain. But she is good and Daenerys is BAD.

>Royally fucked but they run Westeros? Kek.
They're alll fucking dude.
>"I'm right because I say I am right!"
Do you want me to repeat my arguments for why she's a bad person everytime?
>She only vowed to defeat the Night King for fucking free. She is not a good person, though.
Yeah she isn't as I've explained already one good deed does not make you a good person and you can't expect to be rewarded.
>This doesn't make sense. I guess that it is a joke that fell flat.
N E W
>Again, begging the question.
Hey man she's a war monger.
>Cersei committing terrorism and getting away with it, isn't fanfiction?
No Cercei being a serious threat towards the seven kingdoms anymore than Dany is, is fanfiction.
>She undermined him and tried to start another Dance of Dragons for no logical gain.
Why would Sansa want Dany as her queen?
She doesn't have a rightful claim.
It matters because she's a war monger.
Systematic klling good, making nobles into peasants bad.

>They're alll fucking dude.
Gibberish.
>Do you want me to repeat my arguments for why she's a bad person everytime?
No, I don't want you to beg the question. You have presented no arguments so far.
>Yeah she isn't as I've explained already one good deed does not make you a good person and you can't expect to be rewarded.
First of all, meaningless statement. Second, Dany. Vowed. To. End. The. Apocalypse. For. Free.

Go fuck your mother.
>Hey man she's a war monger.
Begging the question.
>No Cercei being a serious threat towards the seven kingdoms anymore than Dany is, is fanfiction.
Cersei would IMMEDIATELY be overthrown and killed for being a terrorist, kinslayer and afront to the New Gods. How are you equivocating Cersei to Dany?

>Sansa lets thousands of soldiers die needlessly because she's annoyed at Jon
>Dany flies in to save the nameless footsoldiers instead of letting them die like Jon wants
But Dany's the bad queen and Sansa's the good one kek
>muh shit writing in the final outing wipes away all former characterization

>one good deed
How about all her other good deeds

Sansa tried to start a second Dance of Dragons based off a hunch. A hunch. Thousands of Northern lives wasted on a hunch.

Trying to stop the apocalypse is "one good deed".

>saved the world saved the protagonists freed the slaves and ended the cycle of long winter seasons that fuck over the country
Apologize

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S A T A N I C

>Gibberish
Dead. it's 6am.
>You have presented no arguments so far.
There's this warmonger named Dany, she's a real jerk. Puts people on crosses, burns people alive, burns lots of soldiers alive without even asking them if they want to be burned alive, lets her brother get killed, leads a band of rapists and murderers, constamtly threatens to genocide people, constantly has to be reminded not to commit genocide, does it anyway
>Dany. Vowed. To. End. The. Apocalypse. For. Free.
And Hitler asled for 4 years.
>Begging the question.
It's a statement.
>How are you equivocating Cersei to Dany?
And Dany would get overthrown for being a pretender which is literally why you're whining about Sansa.
She wouldn't be needing to save anybody if she wasn't a dumb cunt.
They all came at a great cost and she's lucky that things didn't end worse every time she tried to do something good.

Yeah she should've just let Jon and his buddies die, then you'd hate her less

>Dead. it's 6am.
Not where I am.
>There's this warmonger named Dany, she's a real jerk.
Who chose to defend all of Westeros for free.
>Puts people on crosses
Puts slavers on crosses. Feeding a man to his dogs is a good thing, by the way.
>burns people alive
Meaningless caveat. Is feeding somebody to dogs a less painful punishment? You already admitted that you have no problem with Sansa in power.
>lets her brother get killed
Literally day one trolling.
>leads a band of rapists and murderers
Yes, she lead them. Until she became Hitler for no reason.
>And Hitler asled for 4 years.
Complete gibberish again.
>It's a statement.
It's arguing your conclusion in your premise. It's begging the question.
>And Dany would get overthrown
Overthrown by whom, you dumb faggot?

based and redpilled

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Did the soldiers ask permission when they sacked highgarden or nah?

OMG HE KILLED THE ONLY PERSON WHO CARED ABOUT HIM. BASED AND REDPILLED.

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THATS WHAT YOU GET FOR MAKING ME BEND THE KNEE YOU STUPID BITCH

Breaking Bad fans.

Dany burning Kings Landing.

That's about it tho.

Nothing can penetrate Jons plot armour. He'd be fine and so would be the rest of westeror since that magical icewall would still be standing with no chance of coming down.
>Not where I am.
Don't be obtuse.
>Who chose to defend all of Westeros for free.
Yeah like that Hitler guy who asked for 4 years. Don't take everything at face value my man.
>Puts slavers on crosses.
Yeah that's like putting Bankers on crosses in the modern day. Dogs need eat to.
>Is feeding somebody to dogs a less painful punishment?
I think it's sort of a numbers game. One act of cruelty is bad for sure but once you keep going you're in a whole other league.
>Until she became Hitler for no reason.
Even Hitler wasn't Hitler from day one and Dany certainly crossed a few things of of her bad guy bucketlist before she torched a city.
>It's arguing your conclusion in your premise. It's begging the question.
She's been preparing to invade Westeros for along time, she's a warmonger. It's not even arguable.
>Overthrown by whom,
By anyone who doesn't want to be ruled by a pretender which is a great number of people if the first few seasons are anything to go by. Why do you think Varys was sending out letters to everyone, would he really have done that if there was no chance of anything being done.

I'm going to sleep, you and your buddies can jerk each other off about how cute Dany is or whatver.

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seething dany tranny onions boy who's in love with an average looking celebrity who's taken 1000 cocks and would be repulsed by even being in his general vicinity detected

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No its not.

okay, this is pretty based

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>I'm going to sleep, you and your buddies can jerk each other off about how cute Dany is or whatver.

Okay, this is pretty based

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No tyrion says he read it in a book. Martin himself compared his dragons to smaug and said theyre retarded compared to smaug

one good deed does not wash out the bad. Nor the bad the good. Hard truths cut both ways, ser danytrannie

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>even Cersei treats him with respect
>loyal to the end
>dies to his own monster

fucking kino

>Don't be obtuse.
I am not being obtuse. It is not my fault that you post gibberish.
>Yeah like that Hitler guy who asked for 4 years. Don't take everything at face value my man.
You're trying to make an extremely controversial statement in a blurb. What did Hitler do?
>Yeah that's like putting Bankers on crosses in the modern day.
Give me one example of Bankers crucifying someone and the entire world being okay with it.
>I think it's sort of a numbers game. One act of cruelty is bad for sure but once you keep going you're in a whole other league.
Unless one's last name is "Stark." Then vengeance is fine
>By anyone who doesn't want to be ruled by a pretender
Meaningless statement.
>which is a great number of people if the first few seasons are anything to go by.
Name them.
>Why do you think Varys was sending out letters to everyone
Literally meaningless and illogical.

OD, please.

>Says don't be obtuse
>Jon's plot armor would save him! Forget the whole point of the scene
>Hitler speech is comparable to promise made in private
>giving death penalty to child killers is like killing bankers
gn

>That quote is supposed to make her look bad
You lost stannisfag

>average
pls where do you live f a m i need to move there

did someone mention Alys?

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DANY GOING FULL HITLER

***ALWAYS GO FULL HITLER***

That shit sucked because you knew she was dying after

aids, now be a patrician and go get it faggot

Episode 5 was legitimately good if you ignore the build up.
Cersei/Jamie's final scene is absolute kino

from an ironic stance it really was satisfying

No it wasn't, it ruined all of Jamie's character development from the last 2-3 seasons

>JORAH SHOULD HAVE KILLED DANY

Hell no. Maybe Tyrion should have done it.

>dragonfire can cut through and explode shit
>good
Fuck right off pleb

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>Fuck her over with nothing but bad decisions for 3 seasons and then kills her
>plot logic demands she lets him get close somehow to do it
How would that be good

It would be better than Jorah or Jon killing her. Tyrion already killed his lover, he’s a dark little shit.

It wouldn't make sense unless he betrays her before she ever goes mad, Jorah doing it is way worse though

>The Dragon Queen is mine by rights. All those who deny that are my foes
>I never asked for this, no more than I asked to be king. Yet dare I disregard her? We do not choose our destinies. Yet we must ... we must do our duty, no? Great or small, we must do our duty

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>Cersei mistreats, disrespects, threatens Tyrion his whole life
>tries to have him killed several times even when she knows he's innocent of crime
>Tyrion still tries to save her
>Dany does literally nothing wrong
>betrays her, conspires and frees his brother
LMAO

Tyrion's "love" for his sister is the reason why he convinced Dany not to go straight to KL as soon as she landed on Westeros

Calling it. 3 Eyed Crow in the books is not only separate from Brynden but is the original 13th Lord Commander in weirwood form. He was a greenseer on the side of the Others and passed into the trees