Childhood = Sauron was the villain

He was a maiar of smithing and thus had immense creative drive, but could not create anything that was against the will of Eru without becoming evil. Sauron and Morgoth were based Chads and Eru was an autistic virgin who's ok with genociding entire races because get this, he wanted his favourite race to set foot on Arda first.

sauron was a liberal
he wanted to bring brown people and orcs into gondor

Protip: We've always been the bad guys. If the rest of nature had a collective consciousness it would absolutely fucking hate Humans Beings.

Anyone read that book the Russian dude wrote where he retails LOTR with Sauron as the hero?

>imagine being this onions based

*retells
Fug

>brainlets still getting filtered
lol

I'm not even one of these schizo vegan hippie tree hugging environmentalists, I'm just saying it how I see it. Humans are the most destructive force this planet has ever seen. It's an objective fact.

Go take a redpill you ignorant fucking retard.

He was Morgoth's bitch.

>look everyone, I'm posting le opposite
>if you really think about it...
>objective morality is for babies

Ents were based

Yup, it's lonely at the top. Just like how all your friends turn on you when you start winning in monopoly.

Dorfs weren't genocided, they just had a sleepy time

Lotr thread I guess. Was Melkor an incel?

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>If the rest of nature had a collective consciousness it would absolutely fucking hate Humans Beings.
>what are dogs, cats, most crops and other species that benefit from our dominant position.
Keep seething Gaia.

In fairness, you're right. Some things do benefit from us, BUT most things do not. I can't see Polar Bears thanking us any time in the near future, can you?

No, and I don't see seals thanking polar bears, or penguins thanking seals, or fish thanking penguins, or krill thanking fish. That's how it goes in the animal kingdom, it's just that our understanding of technology allows our reach to extend further than claw or tooth.

Nah, he had prime maiar (whatever junk godlike spirits have).

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>Ecological balance is the same as artificial unbalance

Fucking hell you're retarded.

If they don't like it, they can fight us for the position of absolute apex predator of Earth.

>Childhood = Wisdom
>Adulthood = Retarded
Brilliant OP. I can't believe no one thought of this sooner.

>He wanted to turn Middle Earth into an industrial wasteland because reasons
>why yes I have only seen the films. how did you know?

Go on

>Morgoth was a chad
>becomes an incel who never leaves his house after Fingolfin fights him once
>almost gets killed by the spider he wanted to use to pull an epic prank on the Valar
>gets a silmaril stolen from him because he saw a hot girl dance
>is so petty he even curses his enemies' children
>keeps having to let his minions do the work for him
>didn't even find Gondolin until someone threw it in his face

Organisms that can't adapt to us should nut up or shut up

kirill eskov, the last ringbearer
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ringbearer

>ecological balance
>millions of species gone extinct because other species were just too good at hunting them
Fuck off, there is no such thing as balance

there is also The Black Book of Arda, but I don't know if it has been translated, it's about the first ages
(google translate this) ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Чёрная_книга_Арды

>boomers that only help out once things start to affect them

Thanks friend

It's the sort of book where even if I wasn't told I'd know where the author was born

OP is a faggot

He also got BTFO by Ungoliant and needed a bunch of Balrog's to save him.

I know you already referenced that, but I felt it needed repeating. He almost got killed by a fucking Spider and NEEDED an entire squad of Balrog's to save his sorry ass from obliteration.

Yeah but they went zero to a hunnit on Saruman

I'm pretty sure one of Morgoth's strengths actually is that he can command armies. All the other Valar have no minds for ruling, whereas Morgoth poured a lot of his power into those minions
still can't create life though lmao BTFO

You're retarded, stop replying to me.

I'm not even the one who replied to you in the first place, greencück

Ungoliant existed before Arda though and drank the tree juice, it stands to reason she'd be able to smash Melkors boipusi

except Melkor was made long before that along with the other Ainur

Sauron integrated the unwanted of Middle Earth into his economy and military. This is powerful.

>gets btfo by flame whips
So this is the power of eldritch beings, amazing

no one knows where Ungoliant came from

>an industrial wasteland
What did Sauron intend to produce?

>Trees
>Based

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Diversity

There were a lot of them

OP is off his rocker, Sauron was pure evil.

Ungoliant is from the fucking abyss. She has no creator or creation story in the Universe.

Death by misadventure (Or greed, whichever you prefer). Never killed.

>Being an autist who wants to micromanage everything and destroys anyone that objects makes him a hero
Sauron is essentially what you would get if a fallen angel became a politician. Sauron had good intentions from the start no doubt about that, namely to make the world Ordered and prosperous. His weakness was that he had no patience for the working process. He wanted things to be ordered right this instant and he chafed under the Valar's careful rule. He joined Melkor because he actually got shit done. When he decided to do something he did it, he didn't sit and think about it for a century like the other Valar does. The downside though is that Melkor tend to cause a lot of collateral damage. But Sauron seemed to think that was a price worth paying, maybe he thought he could temper Melkor's rage and have the best of both worlds. To act quickly but without destroying everything around himself in the process.
By the third age this had all been subsumed by his own pride and lust for power however. If he had won then it would have been North Korea times a million. Everyone would only exist to do as Sauron told them to. All individuality crushed forever in the name of Sauron's view of the greater good.

Objective morality is for babies because humans are incapable of being objective in the first place

That's because Sauron lived in the east.
The Soviets thought they Tolkien was comparing the Soviet Union with Mordor, so they tried to argue that Sauron was a good guy.

sauron just wanted a disperate hellscape where orks enforce law and order what kind of life is that

at least in star wars the galactic empire actually had a functioning society that protected people's property and interests. Plus they had a cool military hierchy you could climb

Sauron good ,everyone else bad.

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>polar bears
I guess the polar bears have a huge grudge against Gaia too because the poles have been melting for milleniums

It was actually a direct link to Pearl Harbour, and America's involvement in World War 2.

Sauron was a bitch.
>Got his ass beat by a dog.
>Begged Eönwë for forgiveness.
>Couldn't even beat a man and an elf.

>Villain was right
>Hero was wrong
every fucking time, this board is so predictable & contrarian

Sauron is literally evil though. He cannot be described as a hero from our point of view.

I'm pretty sure plot details about the Ents were written before WW2 even started

>ruined shithole full of subhumans that wants to conquer the world and oppress everyone
I'd initially thought Mordor was an analogue for the Ottomans but now that you mention it the USSR is a good fit too.

Rings, I imagine

>Eönwë
>herald of the Valar
>strongest of all Maiar, almost Valar-level himself
>had the fuckhuge army of Valinor at his back
There is no shame in begging the guy for forgiveness, what else was Sauron supposed to do ?