This is the best sci-fi of the decade. Tell me why I'm wrong

bsg got good in the middle, we're barely in the beginning with the expanse. also bsg is fantasy not scifi.

Racemixing leftist propaganda full of shootable mutts

>bsg is fantasy
holy shit, you got a bad surprise coming to you next season. you are going to get the equivalent of the ghost girl that dr baltar saw, but in the form of thomas jane

Epstein drives just vastly increase the efficiency, they still aren't going anywhere near light speeds.

BSG was not this decade

*tips fedora*

>2010 wasnt in the last 10 years
???

That's not Yamato 2199.

protomolecule investigator is still scifi
bsg teleportation and magic is fantasy.
but then again season 3 aready has FTL guns so yea

Where are the fuel tanks and radiators?

>march 20, 2009 is somehow on 2010

The guns hit their target before they're fired?

sort of
youtube.com/watch?v=nIFSZfKTUKA

>Epstein
That aged well

>the expanse dosent make entire starships disappear into thin air
im guessing you havent read the books, the things that took out the protomolucule aliens are basically gods in themselves

nvm it's actually this
youtu.be/9fgaMhcTxCY?t=146

>january 10th, 2010 is the final episode date
yes, that would be 2010. what about that do you not understand?

Why do some TV seasons take longer than a year to produce? What is this lazy nigger shit?

That looks like it's going not even 1% of the speed of light. It would just vaporize the target if it was going anywhere near light speed.

because it got canceled, then it took time for amazon to get the rights, then amazon had to treat it as a new show, they couldnt just pick up where scifi left off. that takes time

It being firm instead of hard sci-fi doesn't discount my opinion that the Expanse doesn't use technobabble.
>FTL railguns and shrunk Jovian moons
The moon thing was kind of whack since it'd probably take weeks to pull that off with just RCS thrusters, but the railguns scene was just bad scaling from the writers, like how the Nauvoo looked like it was moving 1000m/s toward Eros when it was actually doing 20000km/s

>Tell me why I'm wrong.
definitely you have an error in your DNA

>retcon: the TV movie
>part of the series canon

>stealth bases
>stealth in space
Nigga what? Also what the fuck that acting was terrible. Was like watching a local stage production.

>i dont like it, therefore it dosent count
i bet you win every argument youve ever had, havent you

>stealth, to be cautious or keep secret
yeah, whats the problem? paint it black so it cant be seen easily visually, put heat exchangers all over the skin of the ship so you cant detect heat from the ship easily etc etc etc

Does the show explain why the ships don't need fuel tanks or radiators?

>>doesn't use technobabble nonsense as a crutch to create drama or solve conflicts
PROTOMOLECULES, SON

That's not going to work. It's still going to glow like a christmas light relative to its surroundings especially if its automated and ran by hot as fuck computers. It's trivially easy to detect such things even in a space as large as the inner solar system.

You're not.

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those missiles cross distances of more then 1 au in less then a minute and 1au is like 8 lightminutes. so both earth and mars have FTL missiles and yet no one talks about it in the show.
also
youtube.com/watch?v=NGWgrI2p6R4
they've somehow miniaturized the entire jovian system and somehow this isnt mentioned. how the fuck have they shrunk all the moons and changed their orbits (otherwise this gravity assist thing would take months) and yet mars still hasnt finished terraforming ?. they clearly have ringmakers-level tech and yet never talk about it.

they also spun up ceres without it flying apart, which means they have moonlet-scale forcefields.

Also they have ships without fuel tanks or radiators, meaning they've technobabbled thermodynamics away entirely.

It may not be babble, but the protomolecule stuff is Trek level
>because it's cool
They just get around the babble by taking the stance of
>it may as well be magic because it's so advanced we have no clue
There's plenty of other glaring flaws on the sci aspects, but I can't blame the show, as it's in the books as well, and despite any of that and all the SJW crap, I can't think of any series that has done better in the last decade. Of course, capeshit has taken over scifi, and the syfy channel seems to have given up entirely.

even modern spacecraft computers run on less power then your phone. it's a very simple computer not a server farm. literally all it does is check if there's a launch signal on the antenna and transmit telemetry. the only time you gotta heat those platforms up is when you launch and by that time its too late.

Oh and they have FTL communications and drives, so they effectively have time travel since FTL and time travel are the same thing.

>fuel tanks
they have mini nuclear reactors powering the ship, why would they need fuel tanks?

A computer no matter how small is going to emit more energy than a dead rock floating there. If it does anything to try and actively lower its heat signature it's going to emit more heat. Shit, how did it get into that orbit without being detected? magic cold fire engines?

>FTL communications
>constantly getting messages because they mention how they are too far for instant communications and say how it will take 10-15 min however to get a reply
do you guys even watch the show?

You're telling me they have reactionless drives?

How the fuck do people get away with calling this cartoon shit realistic?

>constantly getting messages because they mention how they are too far for instant communications and say how it will take 10-15 min however to get a reply
>railgun rounds and missile cross several million km while people sit there for 30 seconds
Pick one.

>i dont know what science FICTION is
retard

>IT'S HARD SCI FI
>no its not
>IT'S FICTION RETARD
lol get rekt fagit.

That's not technobabble though, that's just scientific inaccuracy, either because the writer didn't research enough or didn't want ships that look like the International Space Station. Nobody would accuse Halo or Battlestar Galactica or Babylon 5 of being "technobabble" for not having giant radiators on their ships, because drama is created using mechanisms that are established and which the audience can understand. When they have to stop the Ringbuilder station from exploding the system, they don't consider things like modulating the lepton field frequencies or whatever, they choose shooting it with a big laser. And really, how many space operas actually have realistic fuel mass ratios and cooling?
They don't make an effort to explain what the Protomolecule is because they have no idea what it is because it was made by a hyperadvanced race 2,000,000,000 years ago.

>hard sci fi
>hard science fiction
>fiction
ok, i still dont see what you are arguing? the expanse being more realistic then say star wars dosent make it real, i dont know why you have a hard time comprehending that. no one is saying the expanse is using realistic science

So your only accolade is that they don't make up words? They can butcher how space works all they want as long as they don't attribute it to a phased spallation matrix?

>no one is saying the expanse is using realistic science
That is literally the only good thing people have ever said about this show aside from the mars marine bitch being dummy thicc.

of course it emits heat, but it emits very little which is why it's stealthy.you're gonna need a solar-system sized sensor to detect the temperature difference between some random space rock and a random spacerock with a current day spaceship computer running on it and i imagine they have even lower power more efficient computers and communications.
they could have easily put it into orbit with the planet blocking the view or as space debris from some spaceship. russians and americans do this shit all the time these days. 'failed' spcacraft of pieces of 'launch debris' suddenly start maneuvering days\weeks after launch because classified goverment payloads had multiple spacecraft on them and some of them were secret shit they try to sneak into space. we probably have a few dozen of those above out heads right now that no one but the launching country knows about.

Nobody ever called B5 hard science fiction. at best they said the way Starfuries worked was neat and that B5 being an O'neil cylinder was neat.

proofs? i always hear people talking about how cool thomas jane and amos are, ive never heard anyone say its good because its realistic

Can't you just spin Ceres by putting big thrusters on it? Why would you need forcefields? Why would Ceres break apart? It's not like it's rotating that fast, you can tell the spin gravity is low inside by the way the bird can hover by flapping its wings really slowly.

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>of course it emits heat, but it emits very little which is why it's stealthy.you're gonna need a solar-system sized sensor to detect the temperature difference between some random space rock and a random spacerock with a current day spaceship computer running on it and i imagine they have even lower power more efficient computers and communications.

Nope. you could do it with off-the-shelf technology today. The difference between any sort of machine and the background temp of space is massive.

>they could have easily put it into orbit with the planet blocking the view
That's not going to stop the extremely hot propellant the ships expelled from making a huuuuge glowing line pointing directly to where the ships did their burns, how strong they did the burn (indicating payload mass) and how long they did the burn (indicating exactly where the object they moved now is).

Come back when you read a fucking book.

>Why would Ceres break apart?
The only thing holding it together is gravity and that force is pissweak on such a manlet-tier world.

Yes, a problem with trek is that a lot of problems are Deus ex away with lame technobabble. Expanse has issues with science, but a lot of details are handled well, like 0g.

How will the Red Rising show compare to this?

Don't know how far in the show is, but if it reaches Babylon's Ashes then it'll go from a decent show to a dogshit one. BA is some heavy handed shit and has one of the most retarded endings I've read in a while. Made me go from an excited fan to a diehard critic.

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Am I mixing it up with some other series, or didn't the books say it was essentially a relatively solid iron sort of asteroid? Even if that was my headcanon pass, I doubt it would truly hold together, but it's still good 'nuff for suspension of disbelief.

But expanse shits on science constantly, the only difference is that it doesn't bother to explain it because it knows the audience won't even notice. That's why they always have to explain the most basic shit concepts like spin gravity that even baby's shows like mobile suit gundam didn't have to explain.

The Expanse beings more realistic than other space operas doesn't mean it's hard sci-fi. The reason people like the realistic elements it DOES have (like no FTL or a-grav) is because it creates a unique setting with unique opportunities for drama, like when the tools are flying around the Roci during high-g combat, or when the injured passengers cannot heal due to blood clotting in zero-g, or when they have to patch holes in walls due to railgun fire. We've seen space fighters dogfighting like Spitfires and proud warrior humanoid aliens a million times before, but we haven't seen a lower class worker city full of gangs living inside the crust of Ceres before.

It's a giant dirty snowball. it's nowhere near strong enough to be spun up without flying apart.

OK, so that was my imagination.

>The Expanse beings more realistic than other space operas
But it's not. It's just about as realistic as babylon 5.

Also i'm pretty sure the books do eventually get to FTL and alien bullshit.

What it does have is a slight sprinking of mundane basic space concepts that have been mainstays in sci-fi literature for the last 70 years or so. I guess that's new to a lot of idiots and zoomers, but it's just sad that Avatar has a more realistic spaceship than this show which is praised for realism.

Post yfw

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>The Expanse beings more realistic than other space operas
Mobile Suit Gundam is more realistic.

Pretty sure one of the authors said they go for "believable" over realistic, so it'll fall apart under scrutiny but they try their best to reference real science.

dark is pretty great

Anything about space is believable when your target audience is people waiting for wrestling to start on the sci-fi channel.

The Venture Star is one of the most realistic ships in sci-fi and went through a ton of research to make sure it was theoretically possible, so that's a pretty high bar. What I don't get is how the same species that can build the Venture Star, an antimatter powered ship capable of travelling 210,000,000 m/s (fast enough to experience major time dilation) is having an "energy crisis" that they need some sort of magical space rock to fix. This ship alone is making several times more power than the entire human race is making right now, why the fuck are you having an energy crisis? Fusion reactors can run on deuterium found in ocean water, did they somehow run out of water?

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The Expanse is to sci-fi tv series what Ender's Game was to sci-fi books in the 80's dominated by Dune like sci-fi.

Both presented a futuristic technological scenarios that has a "understandable" bridge to our current technological capabilities and it became attractive due to that.

But there's a reason no writer or author wants to do this kind of technological stretching, it is very hard to get it right and it requires a lot of actual scientific knowledge to make sense, and even if you try, you might get it wrong due to lack of present time knowledge like Larry Niven's Ringworld.

But they did the stretching and it worked, mostly by luck, and so it built hype around them (even more around Orson's books), but if you ignore the technological wow, all that's left it's a steaming pile of shit of propaganda, bad acting, bad FX, writing and so on.

So basically, it is popular due to the lack of anything related.

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I wasn't impressed. Couldn't get into.

>Nope. you could do it with off-the-shelf technology today. The difference between any sort of machine and the background temp of space is massive.

you're not trying to make it background temp
>That's not going to stop the extremely hot propellant the ships expelled from making a huuuuge glowing line pointing directly to where the ships did their burns, how strong they did the burn (indicating payload mass) and how long they did the burn (indicating exactly where the object they moved now is).
launch your stealth stations from other ships,have em use low velocity rockets when behind the planet and they cant tell shit by the propellant (they probably cant detect it at all).

you're greatly overestimating the capabilities of these extremely long range passive sensors. they dont have nearly the resolution you seem to think they do and if they did they'd be so fucking big that destroying them from very far away would almost trivial (+ they'd be expensive as fuck)

also propellant cools very rapidly (radiation is proportional to Temp^4 IIRC) so even with their epstein drives i dont think the length of the drive plume that is detectable is so long that they cant hide it behind a planet or moon (i might be wrong since those engines have insane velocity to achieve they deltaVs they have).

> realistic
>FTL guns

Was the Epstein Drive a coded message?

yea's it's a version ofthe icarus flying to close to the sun story
youtube.com/watch?v=eVDUd-mPkSg

I might be wrong but I think most anons are misusing their words.

When people say realistic and nonsense, I think they mean understandable, from one's average scientific knowledge, not actually realistic.

Let me give an example. If any sci-fi says a futuristic stealth fighter is capable of disappearing on IR tracking, most people would think this is a realistic technological stretch from current tech based on most people knowledge (or lack of) of thermodynamics and stealth technology.

>okay guys, this is supposed to be a tense scene, so I need you to look anxious for the next 10 minutes
>you want to keep the audience waiting for 10 minutes for the railguns to hit the platforms? can't we make it like 1 minute instead?
>no, if the slugs travelled 100 million kilometers in 1 minute, they'd be travelling at FTL speeds, don't you guys respect realism?
Space shows mess with scale to make them watchable. Imagine how fun space battles would be if they were portrayed realistically: zero sound, invisible lasers, two barely visible pixels engaging eachother at 100000km, ships on-screen for a single frame during fly-by shots because they are moving at 1000km/s

stealth spaceships against IR\active tracking are not unrealistic, they're being used above our heads as we speak. stealth means being hard to detect not invisible, you just have to be too hard for the enemy's sensors to pick up.
epstein drives are not 'understandable' , they're pure technobabble and the FTL missiles are literally physically impossible (where's the alien FTL we dont really know, wormholes require some exotic materials to create)
what's your point ? i was just saying expanse show FTL missiles in normal (non wormhole) space are canon now which means the rules of physics dont apply. they didnt have to show the entire time of the missiles flying in one show they could have cut away and back later,movies do that shit all the time with heroes fighting to put in abort codes as ICBMs fly for minutes. what they effectively did is introduce magic into the show.
they wouldnt even know that some of those missiles hit for like 20 mins as the light travels to them if the show was realistic and with the missiles doing a deceleration burn before impact (animation shows them going slow as fuck before impact) the journey would have probably taken a day+.

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Epstein drive is fine, the story would have to be master and commander in space (which would be rad)

Dunno what the jovian part is

The US Navy has railguns right now but an entire ship has had to be built around the system

>you're not trying to make it background temp
The farther from background temp the easier it is to detect from across the entire system.
>launch your stealth stations from other ships,have em use low velocity rockets when behind the planet and they cant tell shit by the propellant (they probably cant detect it at all).
So magic. Great argument. Really disproved thermodynamics there. Hurry and patent it.

>behind the planet
they have multiple listening posts for this reason. you cannot hide in the solar system.

what's your point ? we had railguns for centuries it's literally the simplest way to propel something. my point was the FTL shit
atleast in the show those drives make no sense. they have like 10,000+ km/s exhaust velocities. there's terawatts of energy running through those reactors even if it's all magnetic nozzle with no contact between the heated propellant and the spacecraft the ship is gonna receive so much blackbody radiation from the propellant that no conceivable material is gonna remain intact without a seriously impressive cooling system.ships during a burn in the show should have massive glowing radiators.

>epstein drives are not understandable
They're super efficient fusion rockets that run on helium-3 pellets, simple as. That's plenty understandable.

Are you being deliberately obtuse? The idea is you make your emissions indistinguishable from background radiation such that the time it takes to accurately track your position exceeds the time it takes for your position to change.
Stealth isn't about invisibility it's about defeating early warning systems or getting through dragnets

The show itself ended in 2009, the TV movie was barely a blip, all relevance had already faded. BSG is a show that existed within the culture of the mid-late 2000s, user was obviously referring to shows starting in and relating to 2010s. It's really not that complicated even if you count the bullshit prequels and films that went nowhere.

>Are you being deliberately obtuse
Is your knowledge of physics as limited as your dick?
>The idea is you make your emissions indistinguishable from background radiation
Then it would take decades to move the thing and it would be spotted a million times over.
>such that the time it takes to accurately track your position exceeds the time it takes for your position to change.
Not if the propellant is so low energy that it is somehow miraculously missed by passive scanning. Ion drives would still be detected and that's about as low as you can go.

>Stealth isn't about invisibility it's about defeating early warning systems or getting through dragnets
Which you cannot fucking do in space. Deal with it, faggot.

>The farther from background temp the easier it is to detect from across the entire system.
good luck building a passive sensor that can even detect the 4682654725387 space rocks\debris around the enemy's planet let alone distinguish between them and the one of them whose surface is 0.0001 degree hotter because there's a tiny cpu inside of it. not to mention that the enemy can just start heating up space rocks with lasers to bamboozle you.
>So magic.
nothing i said is magic, if anything your perfect optically impractical and probably impossible sensor is magic.
that's why it's gonna be an arms race. said 'listening posts' have to be themselves stealth otherwise the enemy can easily destroy them. the more they power their sensors and the more power they have to put into their antennas to send messages back home the more detectable they are (as opposed to a stealth orbital weapons platform which can run on a handful of watts on standby)
also those have to either be close,stealthy and low power (which limits the capabilities of the sensor and ability to transfer information without being detected) or far away and fuckhuge (which makes them an obvious easy target for long range missiles)

another thing that might work is active radiation shields presenting a cold surface in the direction of the enemy and radiating away they heat in directions you consider 'safe'. but then again if a sensor spaceship like this gets in your radiation cone your own stealth spaceship is fucked.

The point is orbital railguns are feasible. That they're FTL is just a concession for story telling purposes
Your entire point seems to be "we can't do it now so it can't be done"

how do they get rid of hundreds-of-gigawatts of heat that gets radiated at their spaceship from the inside\outside ?
with the behemoth they want to use the communication laser as a 'weapon' against the aliums at some point but their own ships get blasted with more radiation flux that that laser can possibly produce from their own engines so why would their think that aliens far more advanced then them would use materials that such a laser would harm in any way ?

where the fuck does the heat go ?

>dat feel when they dupe the cylons at the tillium refinery
>dat feel BSG jumps in over new caprica

A lot of the show is shit but holy hell, when BSG was on point they were fucking on point. Why does every sci fi show need to be gloomy as shit with grey and gray factions. Why can't we have truly heroic moments

The railguns aren't FTL, they just cut the scene where everyone waits around for 10 hours waiting to see if they hit their targets.

>good luck building a passive sensor that can even detect the 4682654725387 space rocks\debris around the enemy's planet let alone distinguish between them and the one of them whose surface is 0.0001 degree hotter because there's a tiny cpu inside of it.
That's not how it works. You can't get a working computer to be as cold as a rock that's been cooling off for a billion years.

> if anything your perfect optically impractical and probably impossible sensor is magic.
It's something you could have bought at radioshack 20 years ago. The fact that you think it's hard to detect low-energy photons shows how little you know about this.

>that's why it's gonna be an arms race. said 'listening posts' have to be themselves stealth otherwise the enemy can easily destroy them
the posts will see any fleet attempting to move in the direction of the posts and at that time a response fleet will be dispatched. any attempt the attacking fleet makes to change its trajectory will be matched by the intercepting fleet. If you can see the light from the engines and the direction its pointing you can know exactly where those ships are going, how heavy they are, when they will arrive, etc etc.

Trust me kid, people have been arguing this shit since your dad was in grade school. There cannot be stealth in space no matter how you try to make it. There are countless archives of these debates and the basics behind it. I strongly suggest you look those up before wasting any more time.

but this concession fundamentally changes the entire expanse world. you now have to consider timetravel scenarios and the entire story gets far more convoluted when both mars and earth have access to such technology.
it's a huge departure from the books where all the missiles travel at sublight velocities.

>where the fuck does the heat go ?
space is very cold, are you retard??!!

You can't have causality, FTL and Relativity in the same universe. What this means is that the expanse lacks either relativity or causality.

>Atomic Rockets thread on Yea Forums
The Expanse has realistic aspects, but is not as-a-whole realistic, and nobody is saying it's totally realistic, nor saying that the realism is, by itself, what makes it good. The unique setting/drama/etc created by the individually realistic aspects is what makes the Expanse unique, and therefore good in the eyes of some viewers. Mass ratios and blackbody radiation and blah blah blah aren't the point and don't have an impact on whether the Expanse is enjoyable as a TV show or not. Take this autism to Spacebattles or something.

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>That's not how it works. You can't get a working computer to be as cold as a rock that's been cooling off for a billion years.
how is that relevant ? the point is the computer wont make much of a difference in the rock's surface temp and thus the blackbody they radiate will stay roughly the same.
>It's something you could have bought at radioshack 20 years ago.
no
>The fact that you think it's hard to detect low-energy photons shows how little you know about this.
you cant accurately resolve them from 10 light minutes away without the size of the sensor getting huge and thus useless in a war. it's the reason modern radars aren't 10 times as big as they make em because their size depends on the resolution they want.
>the posts will see any fleet attempting to move in the direction of the posts and at that time a response fleet will be dispatched.
while the enemy can just fire a handful of missiles at each sensor.and take care of all of them but the one you send your 'fleet' to defend making your entire array of sensor ships redundant because your fleet probably also has sensors

They aren't literally traveling at relativistic speeds. Do you get mad at depictions of football for being able to instantly reverse the flow of time and then display events occurring during visible time dilation?

you clearly see them traveling at superluminal velocities on the holographic display as soon as the operator says they are fired.
youtube.com/watch?v=9fgaMhcTxCY&feature=youtu.be&t=146
most of their travel time is without the shot cutting away from the room with the hologram or anything that would suggest a time skip.

>much of a difference
Prove it.
>no
Yes.
>you cant accurately resolve them from 10 light minutes away without the size of the sensor getting huge and thus useless in a war.
The passive sensor doesn't need to be accurate. it needs to detect something and then delegate an active sensor with a much more limited field of view and higher resolution to take a look at it. Are you talking about just putting a 486 and a D battery in a rock and nothing else? what fucking good is that?
>hile the enemy can just fire a handful of missiles
Which will emit light which will allow the trajectory of the missiles to be known to a very high degree of certainty which will make countering them ridiculously easy long before they get within their useful range.

Again, every POSSIBLE argument you could make has already been made and shot down DECADES AGO. Stealth in space is impossible.

Altered Carbon was slightly better

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prove me wrong

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Not him, but space is not "cold" and it is not "hot." There is an absence of temperature because there is an absence of air. Without air to radiate into, you have to radiate all your excess heat in the form of light, or else all that heat is going to expel into your ship and cook the crew alive. You either need to have lots of radiators, or have a chemical rocket (like what we have now) which expends so much fuel that the fuel itself absorbs the heat of the drive, though chemical rockets obviously don't get you very far. Even the big Saturn V only goes 17 klicks a second, which is a snails pace in space.

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if its not cold in space why do people always freeze when they get kicked out of a ship ya idiot flat earther?

Read nigga
space.com/30066-what-happens-to-unprotected-body-in-outer-space.html

>Prove it.
a space rock around earth will radiate ~1300W per m^2, you can easily have a computer + communication's antenna running on it that produce less then 50w (on a high estimate) and you can always decrease the antenna power while making the earth surface antenna bigger to compensate. since they dont have the resolution to resolve this rock beyond a point-radiation-source they dont know exactly how big it is they just know it's the same temp as the rocks around it.
>Yes.
no
>The passive sensor doesn't need to be accurate. it needs to detect something and then delegate an active sensor with a much more limited field of view and higher resolution to take a look at it. Are you talking about just putting a 486 and a D battery in a rock and nothing else? what fucking good is that?
your active sensor isnt gonna do shit since it's literally a space rock on the surface, also good luck building an active sensor that can resolve a 10m^2 rock at 10 lightminutes.

>~1300W per m^2
that cross section is average crossection to the sun, not crossection to the enemy sensor. stealth spacecraft's spin can be adjusted to reduce flux towards enemy further and make it much colder then nearby rocks.
also as i said earlier other rocks can be heated with lasers up to deceive the enemy to think there's hot electronics in them.

so you have an antenna with the power of a lightbulb. what good is this?

stfu dumb nerd

it can transmit telemetry and receive commands to launch the missiles on this spacecraft. (or turn on a reactor and operate railguns launches missiles like the ones in the expanse).
50W it a high estimate as i said it can go pretty far in earth orbit with good reception. i've personally operated a spaceship around the moon with a 5w radio (that we mostly used in 1-2w mode) and shitty 180 degree unfocused antennas (using 9m ground antennas which are standard in the space industry). you can do a low with this much power.
standard commsat telemetry\telecommand is much less then 50w and those are in 35000km orbits. and those radios are overpowered because people on the surface use their signal to pinpoint the satellite location in the sky.

You're wrong because it's actually the best sci-fi of all time.

fuck I want to start playing EVE again

You're wrong. Altered Carbon was miles better.

Beware of the rock, inyalowda!

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it's not a movie.

i watched it some, didn't like it. some parts were cool but the whole thing felt somewhat dumb with all kind of agencies, governments and groups.
i liked sg-1 because they went on these adventures and it had soul. expanse is boring circle jerk on space ship or the earth pajeet granny yapping with her chain smokers voice. it's pretty funny actually, all kinds of things seem to happen but it feels like nothing is happening

Nah you're not wrong. Also I'm drunk af and I need to talk to someone. Like I need to get to know someone and for them to know me. I need that human connection, someone hook me up please.

Also I may be inebriated but I already know this post will get zero (0) replies.

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I recognize that image.

>130 posts
>not a single drummer
gayest thread on Yea Forums

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i watched the first episode and it was incredibly depressing. i could see how it becomes a very good show, given how compelling it was, but watching weird mutants living in some dystopian shitbox was too much for me, i alreayd live in california

You spelt Killjoys wrong.

There's no e, x, p, n or s in name of best sci fi series since Star Trek : The Original Series. Apologise.

>bsg teleportation
It's a FTL jump.
>magic is fantasy
Where is the magic in BSG?

i liked it but the jeffrey epstein drive was kind of sad in hindsight

>It's a FTL jump.

>FTL jump

>science

ok

it doesnt count, everyone knows this. stop being a fag dude

The characters were not interesting at all. I guess the investigator guy was ok, but other than that they were a bunch of ugly losers with no personality.

"It also keeps your blood pressure high enough to stop your blood from boiling."
do these ifls fags know anything about thermodynamics

It's science fiction.
The ship is transported from one location to another in the blink of an eye.
Do you think it's magic/fantasy because you don't see a hyperspace tunnel?

>belter's
>race
when does school start again

oh hoh hey, hey there hoss!

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worth it

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heh

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i agree
Naomi makes my pee pee hard

Naomi sucks
>ugly hair
>annoying bri'ish voice
>moralfag
For me, it's the curry cowboy

s1 Naomi made me a bleacher

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Worst actor on the show. Overacting and underacting from scene to scene. Only char with that stupid britbong accent. Nose wider than it is long.

who cares about their acting chops, they're all trash except Harris and the le evil white_undersecretary_man

the perfect slag

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You're not that guy.
You're not that guy.
I am that guy.

britbong negroes are 100% talentless diversity hires

WHY DO THEY KEEP DOING THIS ITS NOT FUCKING FAIR BROS

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I want to _____ Drummer

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You are being a smart-ass and didn't read what I wrote, I specifically said disappear to avoid misunderstandings and yet you misunderstood my example. You can't make a IR signature disappear, you'll always have a signature and you can't bend the signature, which is a poor explanation of what stealth is.

But you sort proved my point, the people will think it's possible like you just did.

fag

>FTL orbital railguns
Don't exist

The Predator movie might have killed his career.

>what is epstein drive
Highly efficient fusion drive

Actually it's quite brilliant, they use waste heat on water, turning it into very hot water vapor, which in turn is used in maneuvering thrusters. Also there are vapor radiators. That's why water is a valuable resource in space. That's what 'flying teakettle' is.

Wait till they get to her arc, that's when it gets 100 times worse.

Just once, he's still in the show as a glitchy hallucination/protomeme hologram inside Holden's head.

>It reaches out
>It reaches out
>It reaches out

Doors and corners

>likeable
You mean all factions are equally hateable to the point they could all die out, but individuals are still fine.

OP is wrong. I haven’t seen this show, but I marathoned all right expanse books this summer and there is no way they have enough budget to do it justice. I assuming they don’t have gel crash couches or good looking protomolecule shenanigans. Is there even a fair amount of zero grab/ heavy gravity scenes? Are the betters an extra foot taller than everyone else with larger heads? And the books take major timeskips all the time, by book 8 they’re all in their 60s and I think Alex is 80? More importantly, they cast ugly actors for Naomi and and my perfect waifu Bobbie. That’s unforgivable.
Bless Duarte and bless the Laconian Empire (who did nothing wrong), thank you and have a nice day

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Naomi and Holden actors are shit
but yes, best sci-fi right now

Can he go just one role without outdrinking Jockey Ewing?

but they killed off pawter
she was so goddamn hot FUCK ME

SPIN DA DRUMMA!

spin

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you cant eliminate blackbody radiation obviously but you can minimize it by presenting a small,cold crossection to the enemy's big sensor arrays.
this way you can disappear from IR tracking because the enemy sensor may not be sensitive enough to pick up your emissions and even if he does he can just identify you as a small rock because you emit the amount and spectrum of radiation a small rock would.
that's my point the show shows guns firing FTL projectiles
ok but then again where does all the heat go. it's been calculated that the one on the rocinante is in the terawatt range, that means the amount of blackbody radiation from the hot fuel alone that hits the ship is in the gigawatt range. that ship should be getting pretty toasty and there seems to be no massive cooling system with big radiators.no big radiation shield to insulate the ship from the drive plume, no nothing.

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Fringe exists. Check and mate faggot

god i want a crossover between silent hunter and children of a dead earth so bad

>silent hunter
why ? you gonna fire missiles on orbiting ships from submarines ? have orbital launched torpedoes ?
honestly my perfect game is modded ksp (with stuff like interstellar) + CoaDE

>not enjoying the hunting part of SH

I agree about Bobbie being cast by an unattractive woman but she's not a terrible actress, she does well.
youtu.be/92qp4InlnUI
Crash couches aren't done at all on the show but I think this clip answers your other questions.

Based Hossposter

Bobbie cute

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You're right, Belters are insects

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____ ___ _______

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I just want Drummer to sit on my face and tell me im a dirty boy who loves to eat mommies ass

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How long will Avasarala stay in the show?
As long as she GODDAMN likes

She dies in the beginning of the last book, after the 30-year time jump.

No way they do a 30 year time jump in the show tho, and fan favorites get different outcomes

Already explained in the thread, but you're choosing to ignore it.

I'm not even sure they'll be using Duarte. They might just use Dawes instead.

Yes, I know, I've read them. I asked how long she'll stay in the show.

We'll see, there will be Mars POV's with Avasarala and Bobbie so perfect time to introduce him, i suspect some of Nemesis Games will bleed into this season

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I want Drummer to execute me without a trial by shooting me in the face and then dumping my worthless corpse out of the airlock.

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Absolutely based

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I suspect the season will end with the day of the rock though

I hope its something like this

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Didn't he die last season?

Guy was in power armor, im sure he's alright

Fuck your 1g gravity
Oceans are for gays
Earthers are welfare commies

You are wrong. It's the best sci-fi show since Star Trek TNG.

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Fucking hopefully.

Little shit always crops up.

At this point I wouldn't mind not just him surviving that encounter, but going through all the events of all the books, always nearly dying and always getting out. Imagine if he makes it all the way to Bobbie's special ops team and finally goes out when they take on the Tempest?

He lives on in soft drinks.

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>Melba will never activate her implants and crush your skull with her bare hands.

Why even live?

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he was already in this season though

>epstein drive
Is that like a sexual predatory lust on steroids?

Imagine the braaps she could expell with her augmentations turned on

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sadly season 4 will be the last one with Thomas Jane/Miller...

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Show differs from the books so unless you got a verifiable confirmation on that, i ain't trusting shit.

>This is the best sci-fi of the decade. Tell me why I'm wrong.
You're right, but imagine how could have been if they used real people to play Holden and Naomi, instead of string puppets controlled by a chimp.

you shut your whore mouth

they have been following the books pretty close, allowing for some changes just for the tv show format so I'd say it's pretty certain.

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It differs, but only when it comes to rewriting scenes better and reducing the amount of side characters.
Like, for example, spreading the Bull's part into Ashford, Drummer and even partially Bobby. And rewriting Ashford completely into a badass pirate daddy.

In space, no one can smell you brap.

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do you think amazon will shell out the big bucks to keep Harris on the show now that he's a certified kino man?

They've also changed arcs and pov's since the beginning, Leviathan wakes had no Earth pov for instance, granted the big arcs sync up with A to B being fulfilled

Big Daddy Bezos increased their budget so they definitely aren't hurting for cash for the next two seasons.

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this looks like B movie schlock with Z lister actors.

>but only when it comes to rewriting scenes better and reducing the amount of side characters
Dawes was expanded upon greatly, as was Diogo

Il what is Sci-fi tv for 500 Alex

not a great accomplishment when there aren't any halfway decent sci-fi shows

nice how she tears up towards the end of the clip

Bobbie is pretty damn thicc desu.

I can’t. It’s fucking amazing.

We'll see where it goes. I liked BSG equally so far.

>ywn feed her sandwiches as she sits her thicc ass on your lap.
Why live lads.

I fucking hate that guy.

She's killing it as Melba/Clarissa. Plus her and the actress that plays Julie are the most believable sibling castings I've ever seen.

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Bobbie is basically impossible to realistically cast. How many 6+ foot super ripped Polynesian actresses are there in the world?

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Because Person of Interest came out this decade

honest estimate? atleast 5

That's a fair answer

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When it comes down to it, though, they should have prioritized a 6ft+ hulk over being Polynesian. People aren’t terrified of her because she’s Polynesian.

She's very good. Tbqh, I feel fine with most of the cast.

Personal top Scifi series for me this decade just as OP said. It was a slow decade after all.

How would they write him back in? Holden not shooting every blob of protomolecule he finds into the sun would be pretty wildly out of character, so maybe something related to Duarte’s sample?

That's still a tiny percentage of the population. It's something like less that 1% of the female population is over six foot and when you add the fact that she's super ripped, that's an even tinier percentage. Oh and also she has to be a decent actor. Pretty fucking *ahem* tall order there bud.

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This is a scifi show with ships that can accelerate forever without overheating, retard

in the books they learn how to modify the protomolecule, theres also characters who get absorbed by it and rebuilt after their heads been blown off so anything is possible

>1% of the female population is over six foot
That’s still, what, 3 million women in the US alone? The bottleneck is the acting.

If the stuff we see in the later books could make another Miller ghost they would’ve done it as soon as Holden got in range of Laconia. What I’m wondering is if they show decided to bring him back, would they rewrite how the proto tech works or rearrange events so the blobs that have Miller’s data don’t all get destroyed.

Reminder the Belts are over 95% white.

All we can do is wait

Why do you think that the shells of orbital cannons are superlight?
Obviously, the UN shown on the display is a conditional image, the same as a two-minute flight through the Jupiter system.

BELTALOWDA NANODA!

Fookin

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I hope when they have her take over Michio’s POV in the season after next they tone down the whiny “I keep following the wrong men” thing and the insufferable poly relationship. Drummer is too good for that.