Sex scenes are utterly useless and only detract from a film. Keep in mind I said sex scenes

What the fuck, nigger? It was arguably the single most important scene in the movie.

this is the stupidest argument ive seen on this board, never post again

lmfao

It Follows.

WHAT DID I JUST SAY

No.

>ASS TA ASS
It solidifies the plot
Though (You) won't know that

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it upsets you because you can't articulate why it's upsetting, but it's the truth

the reason you struggle with this is that you have an issue with your empathy, you don't understand how emotional connections happen in fiction, this is due to your upbringing but that's another subject

Give one reason why them fucking a double sided dildo has to be explicitly shown in that scene.

because it adds to the dread of the situation, he wants you to feel as uncomfortable as possible
and it worked

No it doesn’t.

yet you remembered it, also...
>doesn't
yeah, it does, for normal people... again you guys have this really nasty tendency to project your ideals and expectations, try to see through the eyes of a, you know, normie

Now you’re just strawmanning. There’s no reason why there has to be that in his scene, he can perfectly evoke the same feelings in simpler ways.

Terminator because the baby is important

i'm glad you realize that there are more solutions to a given problem or desire, but because yours omits the visual of a sex toy doesn't mean it's right

subjectivity is a thing, but it's perfectly reasonable to see what he was trying to achieve against a grand audience

sex scenes are purely for when you watch it with your girlfriend/wife.
there was this study about arousal, they had the subjects watch animals mating. the men were primarily disgusted or neutral and the women were primarily aroused by it. they just like seeing sex
but I agree, I'd rather them not exist in my movies because I have access to porn with girls I'd actually want to see naked.

Doesn’t have to be explicitly shown.

This isn’t a question of right or wrong. You’re lacking as a filmmaker if you can’t achieve certain things without an explicit sex scene. It’s simply and utterly unnecessary

The actual physical act of sex never needs to be shown. If you fuckers love subtler things so much why do you have a problem with just seeing them fall on the bed together and then it transitions to them waking up in the morning?

well on the other side of that, why does it stick out to you as a negative? does it make you feel uncomfortable, take you out of the movie, or what's going on

nah, it had to be shown in this film. because it's the act that saves the world

>over at a dude's for some beers and board games
>me, fatso dude and another guy
>we end up chatting about normie politics, then watch some movie
>useless sex scene arrives, lead actors starts stripping and groping some chick
>other guy groans unamused
>i tell the fatso to lower the audio, before the whole building hears the actors fuck
>fatso looks at us incredule, but complies
>read some wikipedia article, other guy fidgets with some toy
>meanwhiles the fatso giggles like an asthmatic during the whole sex scene
>a few minutes later fatso says says it's over
>he's red and sweaty

I never went over there for beer and games again, I have a new gaming group now, free of obese incels.

Why are you treating sex like something that needs to be avoided unless the entire act is absolutely essential to the plot? In all the above examples, the sex scene helps the audience understand the characters, advances the plot, and is enjoyable. This weird obsession of skipping scenes if they could be "implied" would result in very short movies.

Also Twin Peaks: The Return, Inland Empire, and especially Blue Velvet
Basically any Lunch sex scene

Jacob's Ladder

It takes me out of the movie. It causes an emotional reaction that ruins any immersion in the film you might’ve had and misdirects your attention. Unless it’s narratively important, it causes the film to lose track of itself as well.
it does literally none of those things lol, if you need to try to rely on that you’re simply lacking as a filmmaker. it’s a crutch.

>helps the audience understand the characters
no it doesn't
>advances the plot
possibly once in one movie you couldn't even name because you've never seen it
>enjoyable
if you have a cunt between your legs.

Why not replace sex scenes with praying?
It's much more wholesome.

Not really, again I’m talking about explicit sex scenes, not sex itself. You can show sex without a sex scene. This is what I’m really trying to argue here.

Unironicially Son of the Mask. It both establishes where the baby character came from and why it has mask powers.

There's even a deleted scene showing the Mask sperm impregnating the woman's egg after he nuts in her. Not even joking, look it up.

Crash (1996).

EVH was just talking about this today

Watching sexual tension be released is a cathartic experience no matter what gender you are (granted, of course, the film in question is showing it tastefully, see: Basic Instinct, Brokeback Mountain, EWS) -- if you don't relate to this or find it distasteful, maybe you should try having sex

>purposely create sexual tension
>have to release it now
>nooo it’s necessary and important!!

The sex could just be implied and the effect would be the same.

Not him but the whole film revolves around sex are you retarded or something?

user you've browsed too many Son of the Mask threads please take a break.

Unironically this. Maybe the reason most in this thread hate sex in film is because they are scared/bitter about their own lack of it and can't relate to the resolution of sexual tension. Sex is a massive part of life and a biological compulsion that drives most healthy humans. The fact that we avoid showing it is bizarre in my opinion

>dude it’s about sex so we have to show it
give one reason why they can’t be seen post-coitus.

Why are you so insistent on skipping the sex scenes? Why are directors supposed to actively avoid them?

>redirection
Also I already answered this, try reading the thread first.

sex scenes when youre with your family are awkward as hell, reason enuff

Because sometimes sex acts as a method to characterize the people in a movie. Just off the top of my head, Amelie is another example, she's utterly passionless unless she has a deep connection with the person she's with. There's a 5 second sex scene that is absolutely necessary for you to see in order to understand this. According to your logic, that scene isn't necessary and if that were the case, we would miss witnessing a core issue with this person's character.

like ive said, you can show sex without a sex scene. this is about sex scenes, not sex itself.

Did you even watch the movie? It's to contrast with the fucking chloroform and mood whiplash after the guy bangs her in the car. It's effective because it portrays an intimate moment between two people transition instantly into a weird date rape scenario.

You're either autistic or a virgin if you can't see the relevance of the sex scene to the plot or theme of the movie. My guess is both

are you implying post-coitus isn’t an intimate moment? literally the same mood, no need to show them fucking, I’m not watching pornhub.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=xmKDZ4ynKhc
this is a sex scene -- if this scene didn't exist, it would have the same impact as the alternative you are suggesting (whatever that is to you, her and the dude just staring up at the camera or something).

Its useless becuz u nvr had one incel
Sex scenes are peak profit margin when you are marketing against whiteoids and niggers

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it very much would have the same impact if the filmmaker found a proper and fitting way to show it without it being explicit.

>watch game of thrones with sister
>we cuddle on the couch
>suddenly not only sexscene but incest sexscene happens
>get instantly boner
>boner only one inch away from her ass
>she moves and bumps very briefly into my hard dick
>my penis is pressing against her soft ass and we remain in this position for the next 20 minutes of the episode
>we dont talk about it but next time we watch the next episode we cuddle again like that

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>cuddling with your sister

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What a lazy argument. You're banking on a condition that doesn't exist and you're not even toying the notion of putting forth an alternative to literally one of the most benign sex scenes in all of film.

youtube.com/watch?v=ZCEXv0uo9Ps

I watched the scene back to make sure i wasn't crazy but there's no way you can tell me the transition from the lake to the car backseat wouldn't be Jarring or work without the sex scene. The lack of music and the crickets make it a more intimate moment so when he chloroforms her it's more shocking given the intimacy they just shared. I doubt you'll change your mind since you seem so dead set on prudishness but you should watch it again

cringe. i said not to post. your incel is showing

What a load of shit. The filmmaker DID find a proper and fitting way to show it and you're looking at it. I really don't understand how people on here can cry about SJW's censoring and waging a war on gender and sex when they're akin to the moral guardians of the 80's and early 00's

If they’re a good filmmaker, they should be able to come up with a proper alternative.
cutting to the last seconds and her climbing off would have exactly the same effect of having you watch for 20+ seconds for no reason

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and your ineptitude is bleeding through your text, but i'm not here to personally attack you i'm trying to help you understand something you don't

you’re misrepresenting my argument, user.

The Graduate

I feel you.My big sister is so hot and I'm in love with her ass.
How do I stop having these thoughts?

Enemy at the Gates

Nothing HAS to be explicitly shown. They could have just had the characters talking about how the Terminator attacked them in the night club without actually showing it. But that would be stupid wouldn't it?

introduce more women into your life

She doesn't climb off you fucking Incel are you blind. The scene literally doesn't work without the sex, they'd have to reshoot it to imply the sex and it wouldn't have the same impact as outright showing the act. The movie is an on the nose analogy for STD's or whatever you're telling me that there's no reason for sex to be shown in the entire movie?

She literally climbs off of him after they’re done having sex, lays down, and gets ragged. You also don’t understand what I’m arguing for, I’ve said it 5 times now.

I have plenty in my life but feel nothing for them.
What do?

just work on your relationship with your sister and if you make it clever you can touch her everywhere.

Because your argument is ridiculous in its' premise.

>Film heavily revolves around sex and connecting to other people
>Shouldn't have any sex in it.

I'd agree with you IF the main character was a lonely shut in who never got laid but that's not what the movie is about. It makes sense to keep it in the movie and it adds to rather than takes away from the film. There are so many movies with gratuitous or badly done sex scenes but for once anons in this thread actually have pointed at some pretty good examples of when it's fine

So does that mean that Stanley Kubrick is not a good filmmaker purely on the basis of him creating a film that explores sexual tension? Even a clockwork orange, showing Alex have sex is a poor choice creatively because it's too explicit for you? You don't think it aims to illustrate his wanton approach to what is normally seen as an intimate affair?

if you're lusting after your sister under a healthy social life, the best thing is to schedule an appointment with a psychiatrist, otherwise, get a healthy social life first

spend more time with your sister

Kubrick unironically needed to have sex
but I can also tell you didn’t read my other posts, or you wouldn’t be saying this.

she goes to climb off him, it isn't explicitly shown and even if they showed only that it would be jarring. the pace of the sequence would be broken and need to be replaced entirely.

You're not arguing anything other than why you should never be an editor.

You're probably right. Will be pretty hard and embarrassing to talk about but it's for the best.
I'll need some time to get my self prepared for it.

have sex

I agree. They are time wasters that never add anything to the story. They're actually kind of stupid. Have you ever seen a "good" one?

Okay. *spreads cheeks*
Fill me, user-kun.

If she doesn’t climb off of him how does she lay on the other seats you fucking dumbass? Do you even know what ‘climb off of’ means?

i fuck hot bitches every other day, you would literally be crawling over glass to get a wiff of my dick

Pretty based but bluepilled

How would it be good to cut to them on the lake to suddenly being naked in the back seat of the car skipping the actual sex act (the core of the film that the whole plot revolves around).

Don't ever take up screenwriting, at least nothing that involves actual human experience.

Reread my idea again.

I read your posts and still don't see even the semblance of an argument... all I see is you projecting valuations of "goodness" onto arbitrary attributions, ie, "only good directors achieve such and such by not showing such and such".

Obviously you didn’t read them then, or you’d see what I was directing you to

Fuck the fuck off, you flaming red faggot.

Sex scenes do ruin movies. When the sluts flash some tits or pussy thats fine. But full on sex is annoying. If i wanted to see sex i out watch porn. I put on a movie because i don't want to fap.

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Sex scene: *exists*
Stephen sex King who’s secretly OP: The sex wasn’t sick. The sex wasn’t sleeping. The sex was dead.

I've read your idea. You're supposed to experience the intimate moment with the character, it's the emotional core to the movie as she can't fuck anyone else after it. It's what transfers the monster to her and to not show the act would make the movie feel hollow since the "realism" and sympathy is lost since you don't see the actual connection that caused the plot to be set in motion.

I UNDERSTAND what you're saying. Yes you can show the last two seconds and you'd know that they'd fucked, but the way the scene is shot and the core of the movie dictates that the sex scene needs to be there and it needs to be "delicate". They contrast it with her feeling the weeds between her fingers to show delicate intimacy of the act. tl'dr the sequence and movie is hollow without that one sex scene. You don't need another in the entire movie (can't remember if there is another i'm sure there is)

Sex in movies is the worst because you have to be watching it alone. With your friends its weird. You parents even worse. Your wife horrible. All she will do is bitch about how i want to fuck the movie star more than her.

Like no shit bitch but i cant

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It's really a forgotten art to make naturally kino sex scenes with real emotional contribution. Too many directors do things like close up on tits and ass, which just makes it feel like a porno.

They don’t show penetration. Ask dennis

do fight club without all the sex
you can't

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Fight club is unironically missing a gay sex scene. I dunno where or how they'd fit it into the plot but it's already a mega gay movie written by a self-hating homo. It wouldn't be out of place is what i'm saying

I feel like some kind 'o fortune teller, as I knew your post was going to say "have sex", before I actually read the words

No it doesn’t.

I'm another user but I felt like the requiem of a dream sex scene was less of a sex scene and more of an overall humiliation scene. Sex scenes are usually when filmmakers try to show a climax of passion between two characters but the Requiem scene carries none of those emotions. You can say you don't like sex scenes but I agree with the other user in saying that the scene does hold a purpose of showing some real degrading and degenerate shit

you are absolutely right everyone in this thread is just a retard. most sex scenes are useless and don't have to be explicit for any reason other than the director wanting to make the actors simulate sex.

also any actor that does sex scenes are literal cuckholds if they're in a relationship

Sex outside of marriage is haram and this fixation on sex in media is just another circus for the masses.

Sex scenes are frustrating to watch when they're obviously just being used for titillation and mean nothing in terms of the characters, their motivations or the overall plot.

However, some sex scenes genuinely tell you vital information about the psychology of a character that probably couldn't be expressed in another fashion. Off the top of my head, the one between Billy Bob Thornton and Halle Berry in Monster's Ball shows her utter desperation as a person throughout the whole thing. The rape scene between De Niro and Elizabeth McGovern in the car in Once Upon a Time in America is also vital to De Niro's character (Noodles), because as he gets in the car, his mind is a ball of mad confusion - she's his childhood sweetheart and he's had no female contact for years in prison. The relationship between them was always the only way Noodles stayed in touch with humanity, so it's a decisive moment in the film where he lets go of it.