So the human ring bearers became Nazgul

Ano n since He is asking dumbass

remember when Galadriel touched the ring when Frodo offered it? And she fucking spazzed out? That is what would happen

They were corruptive because Sauron forged them to be so while disguised amongst the elves.

Did the rings have any power on their own?

the elves never wore their rings once they sussed out what was up

They are and the elves felt it and shunned it

No... He didn't...

Gandalf had one of the three elf rings. It's how he was able to set things on fire.

Yes, they make you more successful, what exactly they do depends on the wearer. They make human kings into excellent rulers and leaders, and eventually made them hungry for conquest. They made dwarven kings find large deposits of gold, but made them careless and pushed them into accidentally freeing dragons and balrogs trapped underground.

Celebrimbor was a dick

What? Yes he did.

The ringbearers were Gandalf, Galadriel, and what was the name of that other faggot, the one who built ships?

Basically, Tolkien was a devout Catholic and the morale of this take is a very Catholic one: when success comes without toil and suffering, it spoils people and makes them callous and evil.

Celebrimbor made the 7 and the 9 with Sauron’s help. He made the 3 by himself. So only the 7 and the 9 were inherently corrupting, but the 3 were still vulnerable to the 1 because they were made using the same ring making process that Sauron taught.

Cirdan.

For real, WAS the Arkenstone a Silmaril?

Tim

no but yes

No.

Doubtful

But Sauron went through toil and suffering. Look at all the shit he built.

No, not in the slightest.

They basically enhance the wielded natural power, and could generally do anything. Sauron used his ring to dominate minds, and also used it to construct great engines and buildings (Baradur was built with its power, and otherwise impossible structure). Boromir dreams of using the ring to Command his men, letting them fight to impossible ends and allowing him to divide brilliant strategies. The 7 dwarf rings were used to amass fantastic hordes of treasure. And so on.

Elrond, Galadriel, Gandalf (Cirdan gave him his ring)

Are you stupid on purpose? The other rings were forged according to Saurons design and with his help, Celebrimbor was just such a good student of the ring making art that he secretly made 3 rings for the Elves (which Sauron didnt want to do because he knew that the rings would not fully work on Elves)

Sauron made their men gay

He had evil intent.

Círdan gave his to Gandalf tho. Galadriel, Gandalf and Elrond kept the 3 elven rings.

The Bakshi LOTR cartoon explicitly stated that Sauron learned the craft of ring making from the elves and that always confused me.

Based and true.

It's the other way around, elfs learned the craft from Sauron.

>But what the hell happened to the elfs?
nothing

He did. The corrupting "enchantment" he placed into them he learned from melkor.

And their women into sluts.

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So which is it?
Considering Sauron was a maia of smithing it's weird to me that some elflets would be able to teach him something new.

How did orcs evolve from Tolkien's sickly runts who had to rely on technology to win battles into brutal green chads on modern fantasy?

Sauron taught the elves. He pretended to be an emissary of the Valar offering the elves knowledge.

Sauron taught the elves (magic) ring making.

>The Rings of Power were the masterwork of the Elven-smiths of Eregion headed by Celebrimbor, who was descended from Fëanor. The impetus for their creation came from Sauron, who could at that time still assume an appearance fair enough to deceive at least some of the Elves.

The "Eye" of Sauron is actually a representation of the thing male elves fear most, a female pusy.

D&D, Warhammer and Warcraft.

But what about male pussy?

In Tolkein, all female elves ache for Human and Dwarf dick. This is canon.

A joint effort, Celebrimbor knew how to make the rings but Sauron gave the the dominating spin (power) so all except the three Elven ones were intended to expand the power of the wearer and were tied to the One

The Three were made by Celebrimbor alone without any influence from Sauron. He could still dominate them with The One, but they couldn't corrupt.

they are too smart to put them on in the first place and made their own rings secretly.

The latter part came from the Hobbiet movies. But the former is incredibly true. It may have been the motivation for his entire setting. He and his wife roleplayed a human on elf couple for sure.

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In Japan, orcs became pigmen and elves became brown.

Modern Orcs are based on the Uruk Hai, and the weak, sickly orcs became goblins.

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All the elven turbochads died in the First Age.

Although Glorfindel came back.

So they're like the Germans? All their real men died in WW2.

We kind of get told what the Elven rings are able to do.

What are the powers of the Dwarves rings and Human rings? Also why didn't the Dwarves get converted to Sauron henchmen like the Humans?

>the Witch King ran the fuck away when Glorfindel looked his way
Everyone in the FA was crazy, imagine Hurin Thalion at the Pellenor.

>elfs

>He could still dominate them with The One, but they couldn't corrupt.

What does that mean? Dominate them how?

Read through the thread. Human rings made them better leaders and commanders, the dwarf rings made them richer.

Oh I didn't see this. So like the 7 Dwarves rings were treasure finder abilities?

Most of the rings were claimed by Sauron when he destroyed the noldor kingdom of Eregion. Three elven rings were forged by Celebrimbor however, without the knowledge of Sauron. These three magic rings had the power to prevent the decay of the world, filling their surroundings with the youth of the first age. They could not be used in the open however because they were still manufactured with methods taught by Sauron and Sauron had a built in backdoor to all magic rings. So the three rings were hidden away. One was given to Elrond, one to Galadriel, one to Círdan.

Círdan was given the ring of flame, a ring he passed on to Gandalf when he arrived in Middle-Earth at the beginning of the third age. Once the master control ring - the one ring - was destroyed, the three elven rings lost all their power and became nothing more than jewelry. All three passed on to Valinor.

The real question is how did dwarves turn from fantasy jews into fantasy celts/viking berserkers.

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>at that time still assume an appearance fair enough to deceive at least some of the Elves

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Galadriel saw what Sauron was up to in her mirror and warned the other elfs before the rings took hold of them

Look at these genocidal badasses. All dead. Dead as a billygoat's balls.

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It’s more that because the Dwarves were naturally good at crafting and mining, and that Dwarves desire material wealth, their rings gave them the power to amass incredibly amounts of it. Apart form the elven rings, the rings tend enhance your own natural abilities and aid you in achieve it what you desire (when Sam wears the ring it shows him all of Mordor turned into a garden). The elven rings work similarly, but they also have an assigned element. Gandalf’s ring is the ring of Fire, and aides him when performing magic involving fire.

>spend an age fucking up the world, killing each other over boats and jewellery and playing into Sauron's hands
>fuck off out of middle earth instead of taking responsibility for the shit they created
>"Men are evil and weak fuck men they ruin everything"
What did elves mean by this?

...

Every time I see that gravestone I cringe

Why? Scared that someone had a lifelong true love, faggot?

It's worse than that.

>Silmaril gets rescued by man called Beren
>middle-earth gets rescued by man called Earendil
>still bitch about men

To be fair, Numenorians were complete fuckheads.

The Elven Rings of power were made by Celebrimbor independently of Sauron's influence, while the Seven and the Nine were not. The main power of the Three rings is preservation, keeping the status quo of Elven realms in a similar magical state of the Elder Days. Without them their realms age and decay like the rest of the world and the Elves must either stay and wither or leave the world altogether, or else they mat become wraiths and forgotten. Basically whether Sauron wins or loses the Elves are ultimatley fucked

Numenoreans were no bigger fuckheads than Feanor and his bum buddies though.

>Earendil
>man

Elrond spent 4000+ years watching men fuck, although while he was probably thinking. “Elros died for this”. Then Aragorn wants to bone his daughter and subject her to the same fate. Can’t blame him for being bitter until Aragorn gets of his arse and decides to become king.

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Bullshit. They did mass torture and human sacrifice. The sons of Feanor were just giant assholes.

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because england had fuck all mythology and tolkien used irish mythology as the basis for the LOTR universe

Earendil was a mix of elven, mannish and maia blood. Dwarves fucking shits.

Easy. They already had Norse names in the Hobbit and wielded axes like the Vikings.

Not really, it was mostly Scandinavian and Germanic. A large number of his names (Gandalf, all the Hobbit dwarves) are directly lifted from that and LOTR mirrors The Ring of the Nibelungs quite well.

They got completely fucked up by daddy's first Oath. I will grant you Ceregorm and Curufin being legit assholes.

>Numenorians were complete fuckheads.
They weren't. They were fine until Sauron corrupted Ar-Pharazon.

Bakshi is a pervert Jew who shits on other people's work and put a lot of sex in it.

Except Tolkien’s Dwarves were jews. It was after him they become Scottish.

Wow, all you people arguing Tolkien lore need to have sex

Tolkien used Scandinavian, germanic and even some finnish folklore. No irish as far as I know.

His cartoon LOTR was a fucking abomination. But I will defend to the death the idea that the Rankin-Bass Hobbit and ROTK were pure unfiltered KINO.

They had already turned into brutal enslavers long before that. There is a reason Sauron corrupted them so easily and so many people in Middle Earth feared and hated them.

>"Hapless Kullervo," Tolkien called him. Kullervo, an orphan boy raised into slavery, a tragic hero who commits incest in the dark forests of Karelia and hurls himself on his own blade.

Oh my God it's Túrin Turambar all over again.

bbc.com/news/magazine-34063157

Denethor never seemed like a bad ruler to me. It was only when he went fully insane and suicidal that he was really worthy of being deposed by Aragorn.

>One of Tolkien's purposes when writing his Middle-earth books was to create what his biographer Humphrey Carpenter called a "mythology for England" with Carpenter citing in support Tolkien's letter to Milton Waldman complaining of the "poverty of my country: it had no stories of its own (bound up with its tongue and soil)" unlike the Celtic nations of Scotland, Ireland and Wales, which all had their own well developed mythologies. Tolkien himself never used the exact phrase "a mythology for England", but he often made statements to that effect, writing to one reader that his intention in writing the Middle-earth stories was "to restore to the English an epic tradition and present them with a mythology of their own". In the early 20th century, proponents of Irish nationalism like the poet William Butler Yeats, Lady Gregory and others had succeeded in linking in the public mind traditional Irish folk tales of fairies and elves to Irish national identity while denigrating English folk tales as being merely derivative of Irish folk tales. This had prompted a backlash by English writers, leading to a savage war of words about which nation had the more authentic and better fairy tales with for example the English essayist G. K. Chesterton engaging in a series of polemical essays with Yeats over the question of the superiority of Irish vs. English fairy tales.

>Even though there is nothing innately anti-English about Irish folklore, the way in which Irish mythology became associated with Irish nationalism, being promoted most enthusiastically by those favouring Irish independence, led many to perceive Irish mythology and folklore as Anglophobic. Tolkien with his determination to write a "mythology for England" was for this reason disinclined to admit to Celtic influences. Fimi noted in particular that the story of the Noldor, the Elves who fled Valinor for Middle-earth, resembles the story related in the Lebor Gabála Érenn of the semi-divine Tuatha Dé Danann who fled from what is variously described as a place in the north or Greece to conquer Ireland. Like Tolkien's Elves, the Tuatha Dé Danann are inferior to the gods, but superior to humans; being endowed with extraordinary skills as craftsmen, poets, warriors, and magicians. Likewise, after the triumph of humanity, both the Elves and the Tuatha Dé Danann are driven underground, which causes their "fading", leading them to become diminutive and pale.

Dimitra Fimi, Douglas A. Anderson, John Garth, and many other prominent Tolkien scholars believe that Tolkien also drew influence from a variety of Celtic (Irish, Scottish and Welsh) history and legends. However, after the Silmarillion manuscript was rejected, in part for its "eye-splitting" Celtic names, Tolkien denied their Celtic origin. Fimi pointed out that despite his dismissive remarks about "Celtic things" in 1937 that Tolkien was fluent in medieval Welsh (though not modern Welsh) and declared when delivering the first O'Donnell lectures at Oxford in 1954 about the influences of Celtic languages on the English language that "Welsh is beautiful".

No. One Silmaril was in the necklace. One was thrown into a volcano. One was thrown into the sea. The Arkenstone was found in a mountain on the other side of the continent. It's an unrelated item.

None of what I have said is controversial, read:

So shitposting was alive and well long before the internet. It's heartwarming.

Oh huh, that's pretty neat.

Who the fuck uses a Bakshi cartoon as a refference when discussing Tolkien canon? Are you a downie?

Beren is Tolkien's self-insert he doesn't count

Wasn't there some shit in the Hobbit movies about how the Arkenstone corrupted Thorin and his kin, and that led people to believe this? I can't remember but it seems like something that brainlet PJ would put in.

Why did rings even need to be created? Why did an all powerful being like Sauron need an object to channel his power? If he wanted to control the other races, why couldn’t he just do it on his own without any help?

And Tolkien was the one doing it

I never used it as a reference, I just said it made me confused about why it portrayed things that way. Maybe you're the downie.

None of that says that he based his works on irish folklore. I don't want to get into this debate as it seems to come with baggage. Tolkien as a catholic was probably not every anti-irish but he did write he didn't like the lolrandomness of irish folklore.

Elves are chads. All other races are low level scrubs.

Prove me wrong. Pro-tip? Dwarves are the worst. Angry little manlets. Watch some compensating midget rage at this post.

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>None of that says that he based his works on irish folklore
are you retarded?

Because dwarves are fucking Jewish. They're greedy little shits. Unlike Jews, however, they're brilliant at fighting and building and creating.

Had nothing to do with the Arkenstone though. Anything else rare and expensive would have had the same effect on them.

Sauron is far from all powerful. He's a second rate dark lord. Now Morgoth, there's a dark lord alright.

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>Elves are chads.
They can't compete with Edain chads.

You're right, dwarves murdered Thingol over a Silmaril.

Maybe you should re-read those paragraphs.

The biggest chads were those with elven and Edain ancestry.

>Amazon LOTR comes out
>Morgoth/Sauron shipping roasties return in full force like never before
I'm not ready.

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Stop saying elfs, it´s Elves

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lmao have you compared Elvish writing to Gaelic script? it's pretty shameless

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>Why did an all powerful being like Sauron
He's "just" a lesser god, not all powerful.

He could, but the ring made him even stronger.

Stopped being white and beautiful and turned into niggers.

I don't believe that a guy whose name started with "ear" wasn't an elf

Everything he ever made was an abomination, even Wizards. You can't keep getting free passes forever for deliberately going against the mainstream.

I don't want sex with a disgusting human roastie, give elf maiden.

This is not entirely correct, by the way. The songs of Kullervo originated not in Karelia, but in Ingria, basically the surroundings of St. Petersburg.

Turin could have had prime virgin elven princess pussy but he instead decided to put an incest baby in his sister before killing an endangered specy and offing himself on a dare. Fucking Edain rednecks.

The wearer of the rings would be influenced by the dominating curse to make decisions / do things that were in Sauron's interest / bring about his will. All but the elven rings would corrupt the wearer eventually. Meaning they would become twisted / evil eventually. Domination = Sauron's will be done regardless if you are aware of it or not / best of intentions on the wearers part. Corrupt = you eventually become twisted and evil.

Why do all the heavy lifting when you can dominate and corrupt middle earth through the power of delegation?

Other have commented on the dwarven and human rings, iirc Narya, the ring of fire, given to Gandalf by Cirdan the Shipwright, allowed him to "inspire" or kindle fires of courage, so to say, in other people. So that's basically part of why he was such a good motivator
>n used his ring to dominate minds, and also used it to construct great engines and buildings (Baradur was built with its power, and otherwise impossible structure).
I didn't know that, is that canon?

The gods literally had to destroy an entire continent to bring him to heel. The absolute Chad.

2nd part intended for

It was impossible to completely destroy Baradur as long as the Ring existed.

YOU GO MY LAD
HOHO MY LAD

>Tolkien said Dwarves are Jews.
>the rings turned them into Super Jews.
That's problematic.

>One Silmaril was in the necklace. One was thrown into a volcano. One was thrown into the sea.
First one was given to Earendil, so it's in the skywith him (albeit set in a necklace/diadem like you mentioned, iirc)

>male wearing JEWelry turn evil

Wtf

a) gib proofs
b) was it even destroyed in the book? it's been a while, i just remember it crumbling in the movies and those are not exactly canon
c) impossible to destroy while the Ring existed != built with the Ring's power. you could just as easily claim it was all interconnected because it was Sauron's property/artifacts

>Likewise, after the triumph of humanity, both the Elves and the Tuatha Dé Danann are driven underground, which causes their "fading", leading them to become diminutive and pale.
This is literally the same as the Russian folk stories about the Chudes. Fucking Irishmen appropriated the Russian folklore.

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A Silmaril would make the Arkenstone look like a shit-encrusted rock. They wouldn't have just left it on Thorin's corpse. Also no way could Smaug have slept on it, the light of the trees would have burned the shit out of him.

>why didn't the Dwarves get converted to Sauron henchmen like the Humans
because they are quite literally too stubborn. the ring do corrupt them, mostly by increasing their greed, but their hard nature allows them to resist its effect for longer. Long enough to get destroyed by other forces, generally

No, you idiot, why would you think that. The Silmarils were all lost at the end of the First Age, after Morgoth finally got btfo by the Valar

This. Just being near the light of a Silmaril was agony to evil creatures. Touching it set them on fire.

Fritz the Cat is kind of fun to watch when you're drinking with friends but I definitely won't pretend it's good or anything.

To be fair, two of the seven dwarf lords did get converted and fought for Sauron.

Humans are less resilient than Dwarves and more corruptible. The Dwarven rings basically made the Dwarven kings sabotage themselves, being xenophobic, paranoid, and greedy. In a way, the rings affect them in a similar manner to how the One Ring affects Hobbits, only to a lesser degree.

Gandalfs ring was magical and Sarumons jealousy of Gandalfs bling had him delve into ring lore and become obsessed with the one ring but he Gandalfs ring wasn't one of the rings of power.

yes, like germans the elves are also the most able in deed and fairest of looks

two out of seven is still a better result than nine out of nine

what was going on in russia 1500-3000 years ago?

>it's almost impossible to find art of the Vala without bumping into gay porn or other degenerate shit

Truly fan artists are the worst humans alive. I'm glad Ted Nasmith is not alive to see this.

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Sweet Jeebus, I’m in love.

He's alive and still making new paintings my dude

Virgin mordor orklets vs chad URUK HAI

I'm glad he's dead and doesn't see this shit.

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Bro I’m 6’2” and I still think dwarves are way bigger chads than gay ass knife ears.
Worked with their hands instead of “HURR DURR I RODE A DEER AND SLEPT IN A TREE GUISE”
Didn’t cheat or use any Jew tricks to win fights, just pounded their enemies into the dust
Survived through struggle and overcoming odds instead of being given everything from the start

Stop telling everyone I'm dead user

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Sauron did not forge the elven rings personally, Celebrimbor did, hence they were not as corrupting as the other 14 rings which Sauron had a direct hand in creating. Though the elven rings were still made from the same formula that Sauron had taught the elves so they were still bound to The One, but no one would get corrupted if they wore the rings. They would however get mind-controlled if Sauron wore the one ring. It was a close call for the elves since they only barely managed to take off the rings after feeling Sauron starting to overpower them.

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Nasmith is dead and at peace, he died trying to put out the fires of Notre Dame.

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Based

what powers did the other rings have

Cate Blanchette had one of the rings of power, she mentions it in Fellowship. I guess nothing bad happened to her?

Having a race of morally ambiguous, greedy Jews in your game would be problematic.

The main reason Lothlorien was a protected elvish enclave is because of her ring. Once the One Ring was destroyed the whole place began to fade.

I fucking love giving her the One Ring in BFME2, shit's fucking sick

That sucks. Maybe Peter could have included that in the epilogue of Return of the King. You know how there were so many denouements one after the other, just show an empty Lothlorien.

>finish Silmarillion
>all the stories about thousand year old chads doing hero shit
>somehow still feel better about dying and living a short life
How did JRR did it? It has a beautiful message

>elves didn’t make anything with their own hands
Who are the noldor? who are the teleri?
>not given everything from the start
literally taught all their craft by the god of crafting

Does LOTR feel like a postapocalyptic end of the days kind of story after reading Silmarillion? WIth the One ring gone, the elven three will lose their power and the world will just be men doing ordinary shit

they became faggots

Elrond, Galadriel, and Cirdan and Gandalf only used their respective rings while Sauron didn’t have his, so they were safe. If they tried using them while Sauron had the one ring they would have been susceptible to his will. Because the rings weren’t made with Sauron’s direct help, they didn’t have the same corrupting qualities as the other rings. But they were still made using his method, so they were ultimately vulnerable to the wielder of the one.

Living millenias doesn't make you happier. The bromances between elves and men were the best.
>your immortal best bro will forever mourn your death because you don't even share an afterlife and only a hypothetical end of the world could reunite you again but he will have to deal with the reborn Feanorian retards in the meantime

Bitch name me 4 Valar and gimme a plot summation of Children of Hurin before you speak another word

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That's the point. It's a prequel to actual history.

Yeah, he's real great...unless Valar John Cena is around.

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>so British your war consists of a series of strongly worded letters and poems

The rings made for the dwarves never worked because the dwarves were not made in the same way as other races. That’s why Saurons forces were flat out genociding them as seen in Moria.

Then why did Melkor stuff them into his crown?

Because he was that much of a prideful asshole, probably.

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they were insecure about the depth of Irish mythology, pretty pathetic

>even retard Tulkas knows letting Melkor out of space jail is a shit idea
>Manwe does it anyway
All the Valar are cunts except based Ulmo

>Elrond, Galadriel, and Cirdan and Gandalf only used their respective rings while Sauron didn’t have his, so they were safe.
Didn't Golem also have the ring while Sauron didn't have his? Didn't Frodo have the ring while Sauron didn't have his? I don't think it matters who has the one ring, it's always Sauron's, and even in death Sauron still holds power over it and the other rings.

Ulmo is the one who helped the most, but Manwe sent the Eagles. To his defense, the sheer depth of Morgoth's destructive pettiness and greed is not something he could possibly understand on any level.

That was explicitly mentiones in the Silmarillion, he put them in the only place where their light could never reach him

Sauron was the same type of being as Gandalf and Sarumon
definitely not all powerful

No. Without someone actively wielding the one ring (which Gollum and Frodo never did, they just wore it sometimes) the one ring won’t be able to influence the others. Sauron has power over the 9 Nazgul because he literally has their rings in his possession. Sauron’s influence over the one ring when it’s not in his possession is limited. Hence why some who mastered it could use it against him. The ring does however have its own corrupting influence, a result of it having a great part of Sauron own essence in it. Anyway, without someone wielding the one ring to dominate them, the 3 elvish rings were safe, hence why Elrond and Galadriel could use them to maintain their realms during the third age.

They were the first born race, so it does make sense. Dwarves and humans woke up later.

Not to mention they couldn't destroy him, only banish him beyond the border of the world. There he lies, dreaming and waiting.

then came the niggers, I mean orcs and everything went to shit

they had the master ring you potato

he was retarded, horcruxes are always retarded

What has Children of Furry to do with the rings?

it's interesting... LOTR shows the elves fucking off and leaving the world to men, which serves as the prequel to the real world... but there's still the question of what happens to dwarves, hobbits, orcs, etc.

they beat him on the field you retard

>He doesn't know about Gaius and Aulus

Sauron's One Ring is like a master server. While the ring was lost Sauron didn't have the password.

Some dwarves left to the undying lands, but as a whole, I think their line was also diminishing and they just went underground and probably perished in their mines. Orcs and goblins died out during the centuries without the guidance of the dark lord.
As for the hobbits, progress slowly pushed them away while the mankind took stronger hold on the world.

The three elven rings were open source (pure and free), while the others were proprietary (thus flawed and corrupted).

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Are these yours? You should do a complete web comic with this idea.

Fun fact, only one full elf (Galadriel) has an elven ring. Elrond is a half breed and Gandalf is a different species.

Post the one with the knight saying "oh no?!"

Artist is BaalBuddy I believe. He does lewds too. Fairly certain he's a drawfag though I'm not entirely sure from what board

Nah, some guy on twitter.

>Bakshi LOTR
There's your problem.

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Must be /tg/, it used to have daily elf threads. Too bad the mod is the gay baby of Hitler and Torquemada.

kek

>another thread proving that millinnials do not watch movies.
>They only watch clips on YT, read summaries, and get plot points from the discussion made by others who have seen the movie.

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They really were a shallow lot, weren't they?
Good luck being uggo in middle earth, some elf would probably shoot and arrow up you ass
as it should be fuck uggos
t.an elephant man

Celebrimbor was the only one buying into Sauron's bullshit, Gil-Galad and Galadriel were wary.

A lot of their collective power went into the rings. Also they were simply weary of the world. Think of the literal thousands of years of war they waged against one another, combined with the fast and ambitious expansion of Man.

Boorman's Lord of the Rings was going to have a midget sex scene between Frodo and Galadriel.

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Would drow pussy be mighty cold and full of cobwebs?
I think the only bad fantasy elves that would be worth the inevitable death to screw would be the Dark Elves from wirhimmer (not the witch cult sadists of course)

>yfw lifelet mortals fall for the sauron botnet

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>Frodo and Galadriel have sex
>the Witch-king rides a horse whose "live, raw, bleeding flesh is exposed" in lieu of a flying fell beast
>Aragorn uses both shards of Narsil with the hilt-less half having a makeshift leather handle (before they are reattached).
this sounds based

>Boorman's Lord of the Rings
Jesus Christ, how horrifying.
I'm glad I don't live in a world where this happened.

Chads? Nah, they were the first born of the children and thus the role model for all other creatures. The Numenorians were the real chads of the Legendarium

>forgetting night elves

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Tell me about night elves user. Are they particularly sluttiful?
Is this something from forgotten realms?
Or is it warcraft?
which, somehow, I've never managed to get around to playing

Yes
No (but FR have Moon Elves, which are essentially the same)
Yes

This is all lovely but are you ready to learn how to pronounce shit properly?

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they also have other powers, like the ring that Gandalf wielded massively enhanced his ability to inspire men

Because GW is based in England.

If you are in a position where you can stick your dick into a drow vagoo, you either a) are a slave, b) are about to rape a drow woman.

If a), you are fucked already. If you lay some pipe the way she likes it, maaaaaaybe you'll become a house human and live better than other slaves, or maybe she'll forget about you tomorrow. The promotion might sound good, but that only means you are now a more visible project in the eternal game of intrigue and skullduggery drows play. Maybe this drow's sister will flay you and castrate you just to get back on her sister, maybe she'll suck you off because she wants some too.

If b), that drow girl is not going to forget about it, and even if you kill her , her family probably will come looking for her and won't feel very magnanimous with you. Then there's drow magic, curses and their own cadre of demons that they can use to turn your insides out and keep you living through it.

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It was also going to condense the entire trilogy into one movie. In all likelihood they were going to completely skip The Two Towers.

I don't need to learn it, these phonetics are much more logical and intuitive than English's superbly fucked up phonetics.

*ahem*
I have an announcement to make.
Chronakai Kristor!
oh and
FUCK THE HORDE

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>But what the hell happened to the elfs?

MUH SILMARILS
MUH KINSLAYING
MUH LAND AND PEOPLE

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So does that pretty much confirm hobbits arose from men lusting after that sweet dwarf pussy?

It's funny because that's pretty much how 99% of European languages pronounce their letters. It's just the Anglos with their weird hybrid mongrelspeech that can't decide on a proper, consistent pronounciation system.

Same here. If you can speak any germanic (God forbid finno-ugric) language these will come naturally to you.

>viking berserkers
uhm sweetie...

Slavic too

The answer is nothing because they didn't wear them.

So, in Tolkien mythology, if I understand correctly this is how it works:

High elves: connected to the spirit world and nature
Wood elves: only connected with nature
Dark elves: not connected with either. They live in stone castles much the way humans do, but they're still immortal and have elvish snobbery.

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No. Only the Slavs who were bitchslapped by the Germans into accepting Latin alphabets. Cyrillic alphabets are perfect for Slavic languages and make for a perfect correspondence between spelling and pronunciation.

How the fuck do they even propagate as a species?
I think I might've read one of the Icewind dale books and it made it out to be near hellish.
Being a male drow sucked. Why wouldn't you just hightail it to the surface
>wher all the sunlit she-elfs at?

Feanor was such a madlad. I'm convinced that, had he not died when he did, then he would eventually have started a war with best dad Thingol.

Polish spelling in particular is an abomination of Christ. I just don't understand how nobody throughout the millennia long history of Poland looked at their texts and realised that this is not okay.

elf divisions aren't that concrete and severe, a dark elf is just any elf who hasn't been to valinor. elrond was a dark elf, for example

Tolkien had dark elves?
I know that there are different Tolkien elf types, but didn't think that the differences were drastic like in basically all subsequent shit in any given, garden variety fantasy thing.
(high, dark, night, blood, wood, drow)

Oh sorry, I'm not too familiar with Tolkien Dark Elves. Drow are a concept that took dark elves as a starting point and made them the antithesis of all things Elves consider good and proper. They renounced their old gods and live in a hateful, racist, violent and treacherous society 24/7.

The depiction of the Dark Elf society in the Drizzt books is an exaggerated caricature. Ed Greenwood (who created Forgotten Realms, and is also a proud dark elf fetishist) noted that the regular, commoner Drow are neutral as opposed to evil, and even the noble families are much more reasonable than the clownshow of cartoon evil that was depicted in the Drizzt books. Basically, if drow are Muslims, Menzoberranzan is their Al-Qaeda.

the only "dark elf" was eol since he hated the sun and was generally an edgemaster
but the term moriquendi means dark elves / elves without light, which is what the term usually refers to in tolkien's universe

Yes, Eol the Dark Elf.

Tolkiens elves are mostly divided into what they did after Orome invited them to Valinor.

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>How the fuck do they even propagate as a species?
A copious amount of copulation of course, on the females timetable though.

>Why wouldn't you just hightail it to the surface

Because everyone on the surface hates you and fears you. They are bound to kill you on sight. Also, you probably don't know your way around and I can't stress this enough, you really really really find sunlight uncomfortable.

It's not at all an antithesis of a FR elf society. Sun Elves are even more racist and prideful. The big difference is that drow lost their cold war and were forced underground, and also that they turned to summoning demons because they were losing the war.

Even with his death the sons of Feanor destroyed Doriath and left Thingols grandkids to starve in the winter forests.

>Noldor
>only a tiny ass ofspring
>gets mentioned all the fucking time

What makes Noldor so special - or rather - what makes Noldor THINK they're so fucking special, is it "muh dark hair"?

>that fucking flowchart
What kind of mind can create something like a fictional biography of an entire fucking race down to the smallest detail? (amongst a whole slew of other races at that)

There are people who create much more elaborate fictional histories. It's fun.

I guess you are right, all elves are usually racist at some level. I guess it's just drow are more...vocal about it, like /pol/.

Mirin traps

>Elrond and Galadriel have magical rings
>they do nothing but hide in the forest and write poetry while the good men of Gondor fight and die on the front lines
Frodo should have given Boromir the ring.

The elfs drew their knifes and proceded to slay all the wolfs.

No.
3 tribes of elves - the Vanyar, Noldor and Teleri -awake near a lake (before there is a sun). They like the stars.
The notGod ofthe Hunt finds them.
Long story short, the elves are invited in Valinor, where the Gods dwell.
Some refuse, they're called dark elves. Not evil, just unenlightened hillbillies.
All the Vanyar and Noldor and many Teleri end up in Valinor.
Many Teleri end up stopping in Beleriand, the continent across Valinor. They'll be called the Sindar, or grey elves.
Years pass and big bad Morgoth murders the King of the Noldor and steals the greatest treasure in the world, the Silmarils, 3 jewels forged by a son of the king. This son proceeds to chimpout.
Half the Noldor returns to Middle Earth in 2 different groups for vengeance. One of the groups slaughter a lot of Teleri in Valinor and steal their ships. They get cursed for that.
The Vanyar stay put in Valinor.
Then a lot of stuff happens, Men appears.
The Noldor are the best craftsmen among elves, the Vanyar have golden hair, the Teleri like ships.

bear fights to the death.

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jews has IDF so i'm not sure the "they can't fight" is still valid..

maybe only american jews who are not part of the jewish mafia can't fight

Based linguistic Übermensch

What's so good about going to the Undying Lands?

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>diminutive and pale

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Scythians and Cimmerians hanging out.

Wine and pussy forever?

Ah okay. Is this basically considered "canon" in other novels?
I remember only ever reading that book (or books; I can't remember the story) was because some guy I knew was autistically adamant RA Salvatore being really, really good at writing (fantasy) action scenes.
I can't remember shit about the story except for a few scenes).

I read about pic related.
Bet she was really hot.
So has it ever been established what drow pusspuss looks like?
Is it darker?
Or is it more of a lighter grey?
Nipples?
So many questions..

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Rightfully killing Teleri shits makes them special.

You don't die

they're just 2Deep4U yo

>Elrond Half-Elf
>he's actually just a normal elf

??????????????

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Only if you're an elf, of course, but they don't die anywhere. Frodo and Bilbo almost certainly died there.

They're the most humanlike of the lot and most likely to be doing some stupid shit or start a feud for no reason.

For humans nothing. It's probably radio active. Quite a lot of signs point to the silmarils being radio active, such as it shortening mortal lives and draining the energy even from immortal elves. By extension Valinor is also probably pretty hard on a mortal's body considering that it is said that any mortal that sets foot there will die.

It's like looking into the reactor core.

>dark haired elves
>only ones starting wars and kinslaying

Was Tolkien the 19th century Raimi?

As far as I know, their skin is obsidian color all over even around their genitals. I'm sure an author has described a drow woman naked before, but I don't know who or where.

He was given a choice to become a human or an elf. He chose Elf, his twin brother Elros chose human.

He's a half-elf.

Unfortunately, Greenwood sold the FR setting to Jews of the Coast, and they made a mockery of it, destroying Greenwood's lore and adding SJW bullshit such as making elf gods into trannies. It's an insult to the old fans. I choose to ignore all of FR lore that doesn't come directly from Greenwood.

So not great but not terrible.

Actually, as I understand it anyway, both Rivendel, Lorien, the Mirkwood elves and the neo-dwarf kingdom at Eriador (and the human city nearby, Dale) were all being besieged by Mordor at the same time and couldn't do shit to help. There's a scene cut out of the one of the Jackson films where Gimli and Legolas both grimly remark to eachother that both their peoples were probably fighting for their lives already, Can't remember if that was in the books.
And the rings only worked in the land of their peoples anyway, and it was as subtle magic not *whizz bang fireball! expyalidoshus!* harry potter magic.

>It's a spend the whole day reading the Tolkien wikia episode

That man's imagination and dedication to that world is frankly unparalled. LoTR is literally a drop in the water in that universe's history.

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>That man's imagination and dedication to that world is frankly unparalled.
Not to knock based Tolkien, but you're insulting many other talented writers who went even deeper than Tolkien by saying that.

>given the choice to have a soul, free will and the chance to go to heaven
>decides to be a faggot elf instead
Elrond is a dummy.

>Tolkien
>19th century

Wait, why the fuck would you ever want to become a human in Tolkien's world when Elves are so clearly fucking superior in virtually all ways? Sure, eventually you'll fade away but humans have a life-expactancy of what 60-80 years anyway?

I don't intend to, but this is a Tolkien thread after all.

George Martin actually opined that Tolkien's worldbuilding was not deep enough.

I'll take Martin's advice when he practices what he preaches.

And then humans go to heaven, while elves can't go there.

Elves can't leave Arda even after their death.

>Valar John Cena
He has ruddy skin and golden hair. He's literally Tulk Hogan.

He did write a fat book describing the world of ASoIaF.

Thanks for the clear and short summary of shit that's always confused me whenever I enter these threads and read shit written by you lorefags.

Dying was actually a gift given to men bet people thought it was a curse because they were paranoid retards. Heaven > living forever.

Because it is written that Elves literally cannot die no matter what they do. They are 100% tied to Arda and can't leave it. Humans leave Arda, they fuck off forever into infinity. They meet God. And they participate in the Fourth Theme of God.

Erebor and Dale were assaulted by Easterlings, Dale fell but survivors teamed up with the dwarves of Erebor and held on.
Dol Guldur started shit with Mirkwood and, I think, Lorien. Moria also attacked the Golden Woods.
Rivendell also had to face bad stuff.
Good thing the Balrog and Smaug were dead by then.

Still not as big as The History of Middle Earth

Do Americans actually view Cena positively? Here he's seen as a thoroughly plastic corporate gud boi.

To my understanding, aren't Elves fading away because they're figuratively (or literally?) part of the planet? And because Morgoth fundamentally fucked with the world's magic or something all magic will eventually die out and that's why the Elves have to go?

This is because The History of Middle Earth is not a book, but literally just Tolkien's notebooks published after his death for a quick buck. Who knows how thick Martin's notebooks are. Writers usually have enough self respect to not publish their notes and drafts as works of literature.

Does it need to be a novel to be counted as world building?

It's safe to say that Morgoth can be blamed for the fear of death. Not only did he fuck the world on a fundamental level with his marring, he also went ouf of his way to mess with the first men when they appeared.

Unfortunately, half of Martin's are food descriptions and rejected Tyrion quips.

What would sexing a she-elf be like from a mortal man's perspective?
Has this ever been described in any generic fantasy setting that's not some weeb rpg hentai, where the elves are especially pathetic rapetoys most of the time anyway.

Examperus please. I need some shit to read because I can't find anything worth watching anymore.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_of_Ice_&_Fire

Anyone have any good Silmarillion/Lotr art?

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Fuck I kiss that game and it's expansion so god damn much. I'm too much of a brainlet to figure out how to install it though. If you want to buy new discs so you dont have to make virtual drives and shit you have to pay like $ 150 US shekels. :(

Forgotten Realms. Unfortunately, you will have to do research, it was never compiled in a book and it's too large to compile anyway. It's incredibly detailed.

Moviefag here. What was the powercreep between Sauron and Morgoth like?

>It's like looking into the reactor core.
yeah, that's impossible
you can't look into the core if the core doesn't explode and it's impossible for the core of an RBMK reactor to explode

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Check out Warcraft Chronicles.

Morgoth is a god and the originator of evil.

Sauron is just an evil wizard.

What's his fucking problem?

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Morgoth is about 10,000 times stronger. Crushing Minas Tirith would've taken him a day.

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Moorcock's multiverse

Elros still lived to be ~500

He really loves money.

Why did Eru intervene by pushing Gollum into Mt Doom when he could have just killed Sauron or the Ring at literally any point?

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respects his dad's work too much

Dunedain are Übermenschen.

Hates black people. LotR will be able to get a proper remake when he dies.

Literally nothing. He is a perfect heir and I fear for what will come after his death.

Where are zou pulling this from?

Didn't he finally retire a couple years ago?

Unironically Dungeon & Dragon's Faérun. Sure it's a clusterfuck because it is modular by design, and fundamentally it's all very much based on Tolkien's stuff, but there's enough raw content and individual stories that are fun to get into.

Also I heard the Wheel of Time saga is supposed to be quite good, but I never gotten into it myself.

Thanks anons that should keep me busy.
Though I'm leery about getting back into asofai. I never read past Crows and since the tv show came out haven't read Dance. I'm wary to want to care about a story that'll never be finished because martin's a fat fuck.

Of fucking course!
Shit how could I forget about this stuff?
I'd like to read some more before Moorcock bites the dust.

Well that's my otherwise boring weekend sorted.

>perfect
>published things his dad refused to publish
>greenlit questionable game tie-ins

>Eru=God
>Valar=chief servants of God who reside in the world, Morgoth was the mightiest
>Maiar=servants of the Valar, Sauron was a strong one
Morgoth weakened himself considerably by putting his essence in the world but that made him immortal in practice (he world is basically Morgoth's Ring) and he'll be back one day
Sauron instead put his power on his Ring that he wore and he became stronger. In the Silmarillion he had a difficult magic battle with Finrod and get BTFO by Luthien and her superdog, in LotR it takes the combined team of Isildur, Elendil, Elrond, Cirdan and Gil-Galad to fight him and he nearly won.

>fundamentally it's all very much based on Tolkien's stuff
It's incredibly different.

Eru never gives us more than we can handle. Nobody could just toss the ring into the fire.

They put them away whenever Sauron popped up so they wouldn't get rused, they were too smart for Saurons horseshit

Sauron would probably strugge to beat a Balrog one on one.

>In a letter written by Tolkien, he stated that Eru again intervened, this time in the Third Age, causing Gollum to trip and fall into the fires of Mount Doom while still holding the One Ring, thus destroying it

Tolkien wikia I know but if it wasn't true it would have been removed ages ago.

Gandalf and Sauron (and saruman and that bunny wizard in the hobbit), the balrogs etc., are all of the same divine rank (lesser angels), but have different power levels.
Morgoth was basically a god for all intents and purposes in comparison.

>Dungeon & Dragon's Faérun
Added to the list.
Thanks.
I forgot that forgotten realms is basically an offshoot of dnd.

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D&D is nothing but a set of rules. It doesn't have any inherent lore that comes with it.

Luthien was insanely strong though and part maia. She sang Sauron's castle apart. It didn't just collapse it exploded like a sand castle getting kicked by God himself.

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Same species, different power levels. Gandalf and even Saruman were pretty weak. Sauron was one of the strongest of his race.

Why was she so thirsty for mortal cock?
Was Beren really such a fucking chad?

>She sang Sauron's castle apart
Again Tolkien stealing shamelessly from the Kalevala...

I have a first edition copy of the Silmarillion lads, is it worth anything?

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I think it's more that people mixed many traits of orcs, ogres, trolls, etc together to form the Skyrim-like orc we know today.

Before that Huan made Sauron his bitch. Really not his best day.

It was fate. Also Beren crossed the cursed mountains full of Cthulhu-tier elder monsters that even Morgoth's servants were afraid of. Also the magic of sauron and melian were vying with one another in that place making it extra spooky.

Don't google Sauron and Melkor if you aren't a flaming fag.

Skyrim "orcs" are elves.