Why do people pretend to understand the architects speech...

uhhh half of that stuff isnt even implied trumper

>Movie needs a ten minute scene of pure, convoluted exposition to make sense
Yikes. And people say those movies were good?

>Neo meets the "Demiurge" of the matrix
>he looks like Colonel Sanders, the overseer of poultry hell

The matrix keeps the populace in check. The machines found that no matter what some people reject the matrix and anomalies are created so they basically create a randomly assigned fake messiah and promised land. This has happened several times before but this time Neo choses differently. His 7 predecesdors chose to reload the matrix and destroy zion.

>we
reddit nigger

Its a lament from an ai obsessed with perfection as he had to settle for a partial solution doomed to failure after repeated iterations. The chosen one scheme was implemented as the machnes needed power and couldnt wait for perfection. He never accepted it but played his part. Vis a vis, the reason he talks in the wrong tense and the reason he loathes humans but alsocomes across as dispassionate. Hes furious at his own failure. Luckly for the Humans the Oracle came up with another solution after the smith program rebelled.

what solution was that?

>The real world is just another Matrix
This is never even implied.

Watch the movie you fucking faggot.

The final solution

my favourite theory is that the "real world" is a simulation too, it works great with the fake messiah

The original idea of the Matrix where the machines have us plugged into it so they can use our brains (a WAY more powerful computer) to enhance their raw computing power makes far more sense than the battery thing which, even back then, I knew was COMPLETE bullshit. There's a million better ways to generate power than a human body.

But unfortunately, Americans are not the brightest so they had to dumb down the movie and the directors had to do the best they could.

Mine, too. Nobody will convenience me otherwise after Neo stopped the machines in the real world. I don't care that he touched the "source" or whatever. There is simply no logical reason he could do that. I'm including the bullshit "he's a human wi-fi". That makes zero sense. There's nothing a human brain does that can wireless transmit to the machines.

youtube.com/watch?v=cHZl2naX1Xk

>ergo, concordantly, vis a vis

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>use three words looked up in a thesaurus
>this confuses user
Maybe if you didn't forego your education, you'd understand speech better.

t.brainlet

The humans that reject the matrix, why couldn't they just be terminated when this happened?

Whyd the machines allow them to wake up and go form a rebellion? What possible use would this be to them? It makes no sense. Why even have the one in the first place? Just terminate all who reject the program

I don't understand anything Smith said

purpose that binds us. We take purpose from you.
I like what he said but I hope somebody paraphrase it for me.

...yeah but what anomaly?? Why or how would the wokes like Neo and Morpheus cause a big anomaly that Architect couldn't handle? From that scene we see that Neo and Morpheus are still not his match.

Some say that Smith is the anomaly Architect couldn't handle . But what does Smith have to do with the "grotesque nature" of humans.

just because youre a brainlet who doesnt understand a basic speech doesnt mean everyone else is as stupid as you. please stop projecting

>Whyd the machines allow them to wake up and go form a rebellion?
to keep the human genetic stock fresh. i swear to god this place is full of retards

the anomalies are people who reject the matrix. The anomalies can't do anything the architect hasn't already prepared for, even if the Matrix crashed and all the humans on earth died the machines could still survive at some capacity-- which he expressly states in his speech.

He doesn't talk about Smith at all.

No, people say Maxtrix 1 is good. The sequels are dogshit.

Humans breed through the matrix tho

Ergo, op is inexorably, a faggot

source?

There's not a single thing that implies any of that in the whole trilogy you fucking brainlet

And your retarded theory makes no sense either, they're taken out of the matrix, and never get themselves or their children sent back in. How could that keep their genetic stock fresh? Kill yourself you fucking tranny

Based user telling it like it is.

The movie. There are too many millions of people in the matrix for them to populate with the people new was able to free.

>It’s another retard goes on about the matrix in a matrix episode

>There's not a single thing that implies any of that in the whole trilogy you fucking brainlet
bullshit. they clearly say zion is allowed to exist to keep the genetic human stock viable. watch the movie retard

That faggot who bet money that there was no movie like the 13th Floor still hasn’t paid me.

Source?

5 predecessors. Neo was the 6th and becomes the 7th

There's also no way for a human brain to send its consciousness into a computer system. But Neo does independent of anything else. There are mystical, spiritual themes and currents in the Matrix that go beyond its sci fi setting. They are far more interesting than the "matrix within a matrix" theory. But getting to them requires you to engage with the films.

third movie, 1 hour 13 minute mark

The idea of choice and the One was introduced by the Oracle snd created a stable system. The Architect is a mathematical program that doesn't understand consciousness and free will. He doesn't understand irrationality.

Smith is not the One

Nice hand wave. Which tranny are you? Your sequels sucked btw

>Some say that Smith is the anomaly Architect couldn't handle

Nobody has ever said that. The anomalies have been happening in every iteration of the Matrix, and it's only in the latest one that Smith went rogue.

There's also no way for Neo to wake up from being dead in the first movie

>have 7 billion people in the matrix with whom you can mix and match
>let a few thousand or so people in breed amongst themselves for generations for apparently fresh genetic stock
>still slaughter all of them in the end

>The sequels are dogshit.
brainlet cope

>they clearly say zion is allowed to exist to keep the genetic human stock viable. watch the movie retard

The fuck are you talking about? They outright say that after the One does his thing, the machines kill everybody in Zion and 23 people are chosen to start anew.

>checked and apropospilled

Ok for real though. Someone please answer me. This has been driving me insane.
I understand that some people don't accept the matrix and that the cause of all the problems.

But WHY THE FUCK DONT THE MACHINES JUST KILL THOSE THAT REJECT THE MATRIX, RIGHT WHEN IT HAPPENS???? WHY DO THE WHOLE ZION THING????

"Oh human in pod 42627-6252c has rejected the matrix. Terminating now."
^^^ Why don't they do that?

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why would machines not whitewash niggers as whites in the matrix?
(why not cull them at birth to begin with to avoid management troubles)

>Why do people pretend to understand the architects speech? It was literally a pseudointellectual non-sense that made 0 zero sense.

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>The humans that reject the matrix, why couldn't they just be terminated when this happened?

The only answer is "because they don't want to terminate humans". Notice that in Revolutions the truce is brokered and besides the machines freeing anybody who wants out, nothing actually changes. The Matrix doesn't actually *need* The One system to work, it was just a very convuleted way to deal with the simple problem of that 1% of people whose susbsconcious minds resist the simulation.

Hell, the Matrix itself *is* a convoluted BS way for the machines to keep humanity alive. In the first film Morpheus says the machines have nuclea fusion, which should be more than enough to meet their needs. This all could be easily explained by saying that while the machines hated humanity, they also didn't want to wipe out their creators, but since they are logical machines and that would not be logical, they literally bullshitted themselves into increasingly retarded excuses to keep us alive.

I thought the machines harvest the technology the humans build or something like that.

I like to believe that the matri was made so that machines could use us to compute emotions, this is why they need us not only alive but functionning in a simulated world. Also why they are hesitant to destroy humanity because that would mean turning into a much more primitive ai

engage with the films? Sounds pretty gay.

>The original idea of the Matrix where the machines have us plugged into it so they can use our brains (a WAY more powerful computer) to enhance their raw computing power makes far more sense than the battery thing which,
I can't find any source on this

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its crazy that people still to this day don't understand who the architect is or his real symbolism and still think he is just a pretencious guy

ERGO! VIS A VI! CONCORDENTLY!

Second Reinassance shows that the machines quickly surpassed human tech (for example, the hover engines that allow ships to fly were their invention), which is the main reason for the escalation of the conflict.

Simple explanation: Neo never left the matrix.

The whole point was to insult the viewer and tell us we had wasted our time, including making it as confusing as possible to continue the punishment.

why do people pretend to not understand it?

Pretty neat idea user, though that makes me think human farms would just be giant brain vats, no need for the bodies. Could probably fit a whole lot more brains into the space as well for maximum population. Pretty grim, just billions of brains, humanity reduced to a microchip, no coming back from that.

>machines have figured 100% how the human mind works
>but they can't replicate emotions

Doesn't make much sense to me.

Is it better or worse than the pretentious dialogue in Hannibal?

Haha what movie is this??

The world is getting crazier. Everyone pretending that obvious lies are truth. But one man wakes up from this insane fantasy. And he says just one thing:
>she

actually the machines are also fake
they're part of Bigger Matrix

is a simple and normal speech, nothing amazing, if you don't understand some words, well, that's sad because that's not even a "smart" speech

For a machine Existing is not enough. They need a Purpose.

Whats wrong with the sequels.

Smith was a program with a purpose. After Neo nuked him, and he became "unplugged", he lost that purpose. He lost his reason for existence. ("Without purpose we would not exist"). The repetition of purpose being this and that, is just to drive the point home how important having a purpose in life is. He's trapped in the Matrix, but without purpose. Neo is at fault for this. That is why he says, "we're here to take from you what you tried to take from us, purpose."

To go a bit more into interpretation, the reason he's a nihilist who wants to consume/destroy everything is because he couldn't deal with the fact the had lost his "god"-given purpose.

>you haven't answered my question
why does he say that? he did

And to add all Machines has a purpose. Oracle says so and so did the key maker and The Merovingian and Rama Kandra.

I think they just release them in yhe proto-Matrix. In the new one they just throw them to the sink, like Neo.

Why am I here? The Real Answer Was, choose to reset the Matrix and to recreate Zion or Go Save Trinity.

WAAAAAAH HE USES TOO LONG WORDS, MOMMY HELP

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Zion facilitates the one. In a hundred years they're merked and the One chooses a ton of females and a handful of males to rebuild zion.

Brainlet here:
>there was like 6/7 predecesors who rebooted Matrix and destroyed Zion. So, the Zion we see isnt real? Its not in the real world?

I mean it doesn't make sense to me but probably because I haven't seen the movie

Machines were made to serve man. The Purpose thing Smith and the Oracle et al was talking about.

Yeah that part is dumb, too bad the sequels sucked really bad

>There has been 6 earlier instances of The Matrix
>"The One" is a bug in the code
>When it gets to big, the machines destroy Zion and leave a few humans alive to repopulate

Am I far off?

Zion is a control measure designed specifically as a society expecting a messiah figure. This expectation, which is created by the Oracle's prophecy, helps to ensure that when the next One arrives on the scene that they will treat him as a messiah and cause him to eventually believe that he is the One.

This is because of the Architect's need for the One to take the code he carries (consisting of the rejections of 1% of the population) to the Source to be disseminated. This temporarily brings the Matrix to 100% acceptance, which will allow the Architect to perform a reload of the system.

matrix.fandom.com/wiki/Zion

Because it is all part of the simulation

A machine carries out a purpose, the machines are clearly okay with a "one" existed because it trains them to better handle another one in the future

There is a reason the movies take on a more deterministic theme as they go on

But remember that the "brain as a battery" analogy was a late change to the script. In the original script the machines kept humans alive to increase their computational power through human brains. This essentially lays the groundwork for the whole concept so changing it kind of borked the machine's logic.

Each of the Ones before Neo had a Contingent Affirmation towards the survival of mankind as a whole. Neo however was in love with Trin so his connection was far more specific. The Architect literally said, "By Design we made each of You Ones obsessed with the Survival of Humanity but your obsession is for a certain Someone."

You're an idiot and so is anyone else who follows your stupidity and that's because Purpose bound the machines to the fate of humanity. Smith and the Oracle and even the Key Maker and Rama Kandra lamented of how they were bound by Purpose, as are all machines.

The One is designed to fix the bugs in the system, which are the humans who wake up.

So the chosen Ones had the chance to leave a record of his lifes and desitions building the new Zions, but they couldnt did it?
I mean, Morpheus know about the vhosen by the Oracle, not a book or words in a rock.

So what I don't get is what was in it for the machines to not destroy Zion after Neo's death?
Neo breaks the cycle of The One by choosing to save Trinity instead of rebooting and then the Machines need him to stop Smith. But after he does, what advantage is there to keeping a truce and allowing any humans that want out to leave the Matrix? Won't the humans eventually just outnumber the Machines?

Actually the bigger Matrix is also fake
Its part of a smaller Matrix.

Probably a promise with Neo and not being Cyberjews.
They choose to coexist.

It's actually never implied but it would have explained the magic shit that neo can pull in the """"real world"""" it would have also explained the retarded idea of having humans as batteries.

he probably meant he and his gf

The Ones rebuilt Zion, made babies and died. The Oracle passed on the prophecy.

Keeping their Word is a part of their perfection.

>retard misunderstands the speech and and thinks there was a double matrix
stupid retard

>Americans are not the brightest so they had to dumb down the movie and the directors had to do the best they could.
Reminder they changed the name of Harry Potter because burgers don't know what a philosopher is

>Neo stopped the machines in the real world
yes and Neo only did that only after he met The Architect

4th film is a terrible idea. Will suffer a similar fate as Independence Day 2 (anybody even remember that one?)

>special effects aren't special anymore
>mythology is broken/over
>trenchcoats and guns now equal school shooters
>cast is now old and missing sense of wonder
>directors made a series of terrible films
>directors are now female and have a 40% chance of killing themselves

So what's the point of it all? Explain
What do they need the energy/computing power for?

They changed it because it was a children's book for ages 8-12 and American children wouldn't have found a book about a philosopher exciting. In America we don't read a bunch of gay legends about wizards and faggot knights so the Philosopher's Stone isn't common knowledge

Neo never pulled any magic shit. When he lost his mortal eyes he still had the eyes of the source and saw all that the source birthed as golden light. The Architect Said, "Although the Process Has Altered Your Consciousness You Remain Irrevocably Human." Neo before Sensed The Source But After passing through the door of light he ascended into the heavens and touched the face of "god". He became Quantum Entangled with The Source. He literally touched sentinels through the Source and deleted them.

Neo Quantum Entangled With The Source! The Process Is Instantaneous.

The machines are a hyper-advanced A.I. They need computing power to become smarter and be able to hold dominion over Earth. Subjugating the humans after a war where they were the aggressors is another reason they're harvested for power.

Their Purpose was to serve man. The second film discussed Purpose.

>What do they need the energy/computing power for?
To survive. Did you even watch the movie?

>They need computing power to become smarter and be able to hold dominion over Earth.
Dominion over what if the humans are all dead or in prison camps.

>Dominion over what
The planet you idiot.

But the Sentinels aren't controlled by the Source because they aren't programs. Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that Neo as a result of touching the Source gains the ability to effect the code of the machines? Which is why he can only see machines and programs in the real world when blinded. Rather than deleting the Sentinels, he remotely shuts them down.

Before the War the Machines Served man by producing service goods for a cheaper price. Big Business Started the war because the goods were cheaper. The every day plebian would have benefited with cheaper sales goods.

Not everyone died. The captured the survivors and made them the first meat batteries.

Is the planet itself trying to kill them?

>Did you even watch the movie?
yes but 15 years ago and don't remember anything

>The planet
but why

>They need computing power to become smarter

Eh, just make better processors. It's not like the human brain is limitless.

They're All Programs. Everyone of them were Created by the Source. Rama Kandra and his wife has physical bodies.

I guess that's why the human race spread and colonized the planet too then you fucking brainlet.

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The humans could vastly outnumber the machines and they nearly wiped them out in the end of the war by scorching the sky. This is the script's bad reason for needing human batteries, that the machines were solar powered and humans took that away and were thus farmed for electrical energy.

They already have dominion over planet.

It made perfect sense. It's just causality. Like if you went to college you'd have learned it freshmen year in philosophy 101.

>he had eyes with anatomy that makes it physically impossible

But they need to maintain it to survive brainlet

Are we really believe that those very human-like programs are sentinels in the real world? The same sentinels that kamikazed by the thousands without any care and never showed fear or any sort of self-preservation?

Self-reproduction/self-preservation drive?

Do you people honestly think those trannies put this much thought and deliberation into these films?
Why bother discussing them when media with so much more narrative substance exists?

That doesn't mean anything. What is it they're in control of? The earth's mantle, the ocean currents?

Don't be stupid. Everything must have a Purpose.

Their primary source of energy was solar power, they were threatened with extinction, or a hibernative state as the Architect implied in the second movie. They can't maintain control or even survive if they're dead or reduced to sleeping until the skies clear up, if ever.

>The humans could vastly outnumber the machines and they nearly wiped them out in the end of the war by scorching the sky.

Scorching the sky did nothing (which makes sense, since as Morpheus alredy told, they had nuclear fusion), the machines even surprised the humans by deploying new machines they had never seen before. It was the machines that nearly wiped out humanity and brought it at the brink of extinction with biologica/chemical warfare.

What is it the human race is in control of now? Use your head user. Try harder.

You can't seriously think we're actually in control of anything

They don't need to do anything to matain dominion, they are the masters in charge of the plante. The "rebellion" in Zion is something they create and allow and have destroyed many times in the past, humans can't really challenge them in any way or form.

alright, valid purpose but it's just boring

You Do Realize the One was Designed By the Architect, yeah? And that he, the one, has components that facilitated the Actualization of his Purpose. Such as being Able to gain an entangled Quantum state with the Source.

In control of what retard? If tomorrow Yellowstone erupts the USA is finished.

seeWe as the human race have dominion over the planet right now, and that the machines in the movie used humans as a replacement fuel source to survive and also further their own dominion. This isn't hard.

An AI so advanced that can kill all humans in a war and create a virtual world like the Matrix but they can't create an alternative energy source so they have to use human heat to get electricity...

It
has
no
sense

see poor little brainlet

The oracles original flawed solution where 99% of humanity accept an inherently flawed program which violently resets every century and involves a physical removal of the 'escaped' humans

That itself was flawed as a human chose to save his love and doom humanity. It was saved in an uneasy ceasefire due to the oracle using smith.

They're All Purposed Programs. As the Oracle said, there are Programs that are created for immeasurable purposes; watch over the rain, the birds and the sun and so on. The ones you don't see do the task they're Purposed to do and the ones who don't or who goes rogue are seen as Ghost, Ghouls, Aliens and Angels.

The movie fucked it up. To reiterate what others have said. Humans were changed to a power source because they thought at the time that the CPU angle would be harder for general audiences to understand. Just head cannon it, and everything they say battery you think CPU.

>humans can't really challenge them in any way or form.

This is actually true, Smith is the actual threat for the machines in the movie, without him Neo had nothing to bargain with. By denying his purpose as the balance for the anomalies, all he would have achieved without Smith's presence was for the whole population in the Matrix to disconnect and die, a problem that the machines had experienced in the past and had sucessfully dealt with.

>but they can't create an alternative energy source so they have to use human heat to get electricity...

They have an alternative, it's mentioned in the first movie.

It was originally supposed to be they were using human brains networked together for computing power or advanced AI network but that was scrapped because they thought the battery thing was easier for plebs to understand.

I just want to say its really nostalgic to see people talk about this movie as if it just came out in this thread.

When Writing they Consulted Philosophers.

The movie did not fuck it up. Smith's lamentation of purpose said as to why the Machines used humans instead of docile meat bags.

>it's mentioned in the first movie.
All they say is that they use a form of fusion when turning humans into energy.

Humans brains for CPU power???

Can't they print unlimited processors??

Make a whole continent a motherboard of processors. Like Australia. Do you think that human brains are efficient than that?

In what sense do we have dominion over the planet? The definition of the word isn't an explanation, you realize

So, there are programs (they we never see) that are entirely devoid off emotions and are automatons? And there are physical machines (again, that we don't see) that are lively and human-like in behavior? Is that what are you saying?

>In what sense do we have dominion over the planet?
IN THE FUCKING DEFINITION OF THE FUCKING WORD

The ones are 8mplanted with a source code by the machines. It could be a physical device. Alao who says they are using wi fi. It could be any electromagnetic field and human brains do produce them

...

The only brainlet in this thread is you that think that we control the planet...

see understanding the english language and this thing called context will help you out here

>that made 0 zero sense.
What he is saying is actually really simple, he just is overly verbose and arrogant about it. Ignore all the big words and it's easy

Get this guys, what if they actually use us for CPU but Morpheus just thinks it is battery usage because they are dumb apes that live in a hole in the ground? After all they also are going along the assumption that they are this first set of people out of the matrix when he is giving Neo the timeline in the first movie, so they don’t have everything in order as it is. Perhaps they misunderstand the motives of the computers?

>Robot kills a abusive human cus "It did not want to die"
>A small majority of people are a LARGE majority of robots riot, at first peacefully then not so peacefully
>Full out war, humanity is losing hard
>Dude lets bloke out the sun so they can't get any of that sola shit
>The small majority of people who wanted to help the robots agree to be placed in the tubes we see in the first matrix to help fuel the robots since at that time they didnt really have anything else
>Robots win and pretty much kill all the world leaders, round up (to be placed in tubes by force) or kill any remaining resistances
>Know that they need to crate a place that the humans feel ok with else the system will shit itself and they will be kinda fucked but not so much
And thus the matrix is formed

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machines are not human, so they probably can't deceive?

Just because they control a sentinel dorsn't mean they die when the sentinel is destroyed. People who say Neo is doing impossible feats should remember he is a cyborg, not human. He was designed by the machines. Finally, smith the program manages to hack another cyborg to enter the real world. It makes no sense to say it's a matrix because ten smith would also do all kind of crazy shit in the second layer

>The small majority of people who wanted to help the robots agree to be placed in the tubes we see in the first matrix to help fuel the robots since at that time they didnt really have anything else

You got that part wrong. They captured people, used many to vivisect and understand how our organsim (especially the brain) work, and then put the rest in the tubes.

looks like I missed something by skipping out on m2 and 3

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You've been asked to explain your application of the word, not the meaning of the word

Smith was given a choice to return to the Source for upgrade and/or deletion or to remain AND DESTROY EVERYTHING! The Oracle purposefully Gave Smith That Choice!

Firstly, Neo jumped into Smith as if he was compelled to do that. Secondly, Earlier, The Oracle gave Neo a code cookie. She said the cookie would make him feel Right As Rain. Once inside Smith Neo and Smith's code mixed, The Cookie program most likely also compelled Smith to Disobey. Thirdly, Rememeber food code could alter states of avatars and the minds therein. Smith version of the prime program code of Perfect Balance that Neo also carried, compelled Smith to Counter the Rejection. Smith's hate equalized into Killing All Machines and Humans.
Smith thereby became a threat that would force the machines to broker peace.
The Oracle wanted this for 600 years.And that is because
her purpose is to Unbalance the Equation.
Which is why Smith said, "You'd know Mom," after she called him a rat bastard. And as to why the Architect said to the Oracle, "you played a very dangerous game." To which she responds, change always is.

You can't use humans for energy production, thermodynamics just don't work like that.

You want the Sentinels to dance for you? The Oracle said Behaved Programs are literally never seen by humans Because they Engage In What they're Meant to be doing until they're upgraded or deleted. Rama Kandra called it his karma as in We're All Here to Do what we're all here to do. He even said he is grateful for it.

Because The One is the anomaly.

They manage the rejects so as to better manage The One.

The application of the word is the meaning of the word dumbass.

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Smith clearly could, and so did the Oracle and the Merovingian. Not lying is more of a "machine pride" thing, not a limitant on their programming.

Pseudo intellectual try hard philosophy. The first film is a sci-fi action film with some philosophy sprinkled on. It has a completely different tone than the sequels

>plebs who think smith is the one because muh born in the matrix
>conveniently forget that neo literally fucking dies at the end of the first film and comes back to life while plugged into the matrix, having become The One

Literally babby tier (yet effective) Christian symbolism and prophecy fulfillment but plebs are so desperate to spin elaborate theories that they can't even remember key events.

Its the same theme. The first is the introduction. The second is the body and the last film is the climax and epilogue.

That's why the original premise was using humans for processing power but WB felt audiences wouldnt understand since computers were fairly new to the mass public so it was just "lol they are batteries"

Using humans for processing power isn't exactly much less non-sensical than using them to generate electricity. If they needed more processing, then build more processors.

Since you can't or won't explain what you mean by the words you say, I can only assume you don't understand what you're saying

The matrix is there as a part of the robots love for humans. They were programmed to live with the humans but humans rbeelion against them made it hard to do unless they're in matrix. The first matrix was perfect heaven for people but there were anomalies in the matrix which rejected it and ended up causing a whole bunch of crops to be lost. They also mad ehell but that was also shit too. Third matrix the made in the vision of the peak of "their" civilization the 90s and everything was okay until they realized the Anomaly still existed in the 1% of people within matrix l. These are people like the black guy runner star from animatrix etc. In order to fix it they made a human with the ones code in rl and then made up the whole Zion struggle just so the one willingly renter's himself into the matrix to reset it with the ones code in order to stop the snomally. Something neo refuses as he never r emerges with the matrix. The Zion place is reconquered and then rebuilt to have a perpetual reset function.

>It's not like the human brain is limitless.
except it literally is

Concordantly, he cannot stop sucking cocks.

You what.
Sequels are WAY more turn off your brain action than 1.
It's literally just one scene of lore infodump that uses some complicated words in Reloaded. Which are only used to emphasize the inhuman nature of the Architect btw.

Our brain fucking sucks at multitasking, it has to be continually erasing old data, and processes information at a much, MUCH slower rate than a silicon chip. The true advantage of our brains are abstract thinking and that we can improvise shit on the go.

holy fuck based and matrixpilled.

>matrix needs to be reset every few hundred years

Is that related to the Smith virus, or has that never happened before?

> robots love for humans

Yeah man, only love right there.

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The Matrix is reset every time the anomaly (as in, more and more minds becoming aware of the simulation) becomes too prevalente and the One counters it. Has happened five times already, according to the Architect.

Is Luuke or Bigger Luke from the Bigger Matrix?

>non-sense that made 0 zero sense
Yeah I could see why you might feel that way

Considering that the machine leader was so desperate and caught off guard by Smith, to the point that he had no choice but to accept Neo's offer, I'd say it's the first time.

>In America we don't read a bunch of gay legends about wizards and faggot knights so the Philosopher's Stone isn't common knowledge
The idea of the philosopher's stone has nothing to do with wizards or knights, and that's besides the point as it doesn't address the core that that "philosopher" was so alien a concept to american kids that they had to alter it, because apparently (?) having a word they don't understand makes them made and angry retarded instead of curious to find out the meaning.
It's fucking retarded marketing/corporate thinking taking things to extremes for no good fucking reason.

The previous Ones choosing to reset the Matrix would presumably delete the Smith virus.

My question is
1. why would the anomaly left unchecked influence the whole system. What can the wokes do? You can always wipe out everyone's memory.
2. Why does Architect's procedure include letting Neo make the choice? Can't architect do the whole The One and Zion thing by himself? He can wake someone he chooses.
3. Why must Neo go to "the Source" and restart the program and wipe out everyone's memory?? I know Zion must be wiped out and reset to zero but why must matrix be reset too
4. Why must architect kill all men in Matrix if Neo refuses to reset it?

Smith already existed outside the confines of the Matrix, deleting it wasn't the solution. If Smith existed in the prior versions, he didn't get so out of control.

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The Architect tells Neo there are levels of survival the machines are willing to accept in regard to having vast swathes of the human population removed from the Matrix. So the machines need humans alive to keep the status quo. Now, why not simply kill the human rebels? They're machines trying to perfect their system. To keep everything in control. They created the Oracle to understand humans. They reboot the Matrix every two hundred years or so when the errors in the Matrix's programming begin to destabilize the whole thing. They are iterating on their design.

Infected people like Bane would presumably have been killed by the Sentinels in previous purges of Zion.

>0 zero

Is Smith virus part of human's grotesque nature and equation
Or is he part of the computer's grotesque nature ?

Clearly they haven't figured out how the human mind works 100%. If they had, they wouldn't need the Oracle and they wouldn't need to reboot the Matrix time and time again.

I don't think the Architect would have killed everybody, just that the anomaly would have propagated and all the human minds would reject the simulation and disconnect, thus killing themselves.

Stop it user you are making everybody cringe. We humans have adapted to survive in this planet but we don't dominate (control) it because the planet or nature can kill us easily. And no one can dominate or control a planet, that is a absurd way to speak. You adapt to live in a planet, nothing more.

My question is
1. why would the anomaly left unchecked influence the whole system. What can the wokes do? You can always wipe out everyone's memory.
Well what happens in matrix 3 is what would happen and the programming would get so out of control that it'd destroy the matrix causing a whole lot of crops aka energy to be lost

2. Why does Architect's procedure include letting Neo make the choice? Can't architect do the whole The One and Zion thing by himself? He can wake someone he chooses.
Oracle says it. It's all about choice. Neo or the one speaks on behalf of all humans in matrix and he has to willingly choose to remerge with the matrix and reset it. 6 times they always chose to remerge but in matrix 2 neo doesn't and goes back out to save trinity and let's the matrix go to hell like we see in 3rd movie

3. Why must Neo go to "the Source" and restart the program and wipe out everyone's memory?? I know Zion must be wiped out and reset to zero but why must matrix be reset too

Because they'll lose crops which machines depend on

4. Why must architect kill all men in Matrix if Neo refuses to reset it?
Cuz they all become smith and start fucking with machine world etc hacking their networks etc

This They could've just used em as batteries but they felt bad and made matrix for them

>why would the anomaly left unchecked influence the whole system
"As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly's systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations." - The Architect to Neo.

So was He resetting Matrix because of there was also Smith virus in past Matrix?
And if resetting Matrix just means wiping out people's memory without killing them, then there is no problem. Architect can just wipe memory out when they become rebellious. He doesn't need to take care of the wokes or let Zion take them.
And about the choice of Neo. I know this is about Jesus. But why would letting Neo make choice help the whole humanity accept the choice

>non-sense that made 0 zero sense.
improve your vocabulary

By systematic you mean all humans have this anomaly?

"Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision."
The anomaly is a programming problem the Architect can't solve. He probably can't solve it because he doesn't understand humans, so, in a sense, you could argue the anomaly is humanity, sure. Ultimately, I think one of the points the Wachowski Trannies were trying to make was that there will always be some separation between man and machine because the two are intrinsically different. You can only merge the two so much before you fail.

No, he told Neo how he GOT there. He didn't tell him why he was there.

He did though. The Architect says the anomaly is something he can't eliminate but he knows it will happen and it is not beyond a measure of control. This control the Architect has "inexorably" leads The One to him.

>non-woke: hey man, what's up with that face? What's keeping you down?
>woke: I think... I think reality is not real
>non-woke: duuuuude wtf, tell me more

was meant for

But the Oracle understood humans pretty well? Also, those pajeet problams that Neo was surprised to find that were pretty normal people.

>Since you can't or won't explain what you mean by the words you say
I already have, multiple times. see Learn to read, it can change your life.

>but we don't dominate (control) it
The literal definition and usage of the word says we do. ESL scum shouldn't talk about shit they don't understand.

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And? The Oracle isn't a programmer. She probably simply reports to the Architect and he tries to manipulate his equations to balance them perfectly. He is clearly still trying to fix it. He's just failed at it so far.

Bigger Luke: Bigger Matrix
Luuke: Maatrix

Someone mind posting it in text form? I just wanna look over how wordy it may or may not be

ERGO, VIS A VIS, CONCORDANTLY

The Architect - Hello, Neo.

Neo - Who are you?

The Architect - I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also irrelevant.

Neo - Why am I here?

The Architect - Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.

Neo - You haven't answered my question.

The Architect - Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.

The Architect - The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.

Neo: There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows.

The Architect - Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly's systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

Neo - Choice. The problem is choice.

The Architect - The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

Neo - The Oracle.

The Architect - Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.

Neo - This is about Zion.

The whole thing is funny because it's written by people who aren't smart trying their hardest to sound smart. It's written like Armond White had input.

The Architect - You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.

Neo - Bullshit.

The Architect - Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.

The Architect - The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

Neo - You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive.

The Architect - There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.

Character written by two trannies. Trannies don’t make sense either. Hmmmm.

The Architect - It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love.

Neo - Trinity.

The Architect - Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.

Neo - No!

The Architect - Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to the left leads back to the matrix, to her, and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you're going to do, don't we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious truth: she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.

*Neo walks to the door on his left*

The Architect - Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.

>there will always be some separation between man and machine because the two are intrinsically different. You can only merge the two so much before you fail.

That's what you said, but there are programs in the movie who blur the difference between AI and human. Shit, the Mero cheats on his wife, tell me that's a machine-like behavior.

Neo - If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.

The Architect - We won't.

>talking crap about our guy Armong White "Power"

Fuck off, fag.

>what if they actually use us for CPU but Morpheus just thinks it is battery usage because they are dumb apes that live in a hole in the ground?
That's my headcanon from now on

His reviews are right but he basically turns into the Architect when it comes to his explanations.

Is the actor who played The Architect still alive and acting? Would be funny if both characters met again the the next movie.

Underrated

Blurred lines. Maybe. Perfect harmony between man and machine? Clearly not. Also, what does the Merovingian have to do with anything? What would "cheating" on a "wife" mean to machines?

The same reasons we have fake rebellions in the real world. People need to at a subconscious level think they have a choice to reject or go along with the system or they will have a legitimate uprising rejecting the system they are trapped in. The human rebellion could be rounded up and squashed by the machines at any time as they are always just a minor nuisance that was destroyed in a single battle, so they let it happen. As for the One, it comes down to choice as well. This was the way to get the most number of people possible to accept the Matrix at a subconscious level. They narrow down the power of true choice (neo's effective admin powers over the matrix) down to a single individual. If there isn't the One and the resistance, the Matrix is rejected by people as a system that is too fake for the human mind to accept.

Cost effectiveness.
Instead of a guerilla war where your enemies are scattered, you allow them to gather around and to be dealt with once it reaches a critical mass.

Yes. He was in Hacksaw Ridge and another movie from last year.

Using brains as CPUs isn't much better than the shit we got in the movie.

>irrevocably human
Probably not the best choice of wording here.
>Concordantly
Unnecessary.
>sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation
Really autistic way of putting it.
>eventuality of an anomaly
This one's good but may not be true.

>Neo - The Oracle.
>Neo - This is about Zion.
Exposition style...funny.
This one's fine.

>Vis-a-vis
>Apropos
Unnecessary.

Yes, and that's how he got there. It still doesn't fully answer why Neo himself is there, what he's there to do, which is make the choice to either return to the source or save Trinity

He only answered part of Neo's question, he didn't answer it entirely

Brains process information in completely different ways than integrated circuits do. They could use the humans as heuristic processors or something.

I'M THE ONE WHO TALKS

Why would a machine need a wife? Why would it need to cheat on her? Why would it need to feel nervous that she found out? All of that is human-like behavior.

I'm not sure how your questions aren't answered. Neo got there because The Architect lead him there. Neo is the result of some unbalanced equation. Should The Architect lay out the steps he took to ensure Neo would come to him? I don't understand.

Plenty of programs exhibit human-like behavior but that doesn't mean they're human or the perfect blending of man and machine. The Merovingian is from an earlier version of the Matrix. Whatever his purpose was in an earlier iteration is clearly no longer needed, hence his exile. Perhaps he has those traits because the Machines were trying to understand deception, sexual desire, or any number of other human traits.

>ergo
>apropos
>concordantly
anyone who uses 10 words when 2 will do is a retard, the point of communication is to make yourself understood. This is why Trump writes and speaks like a brain damaged 6 year old, his core supporters are illiterate rednecks who don't understand big words or higher concepts.

your statements contradict each other

They need to fulfill their actual function of finding the One and making him the messiah figure so he will reinsert his code back into the Matrix.

You are an actual brainlet

The Mero only became a hedonistic asshole after becoming an exile, so that wasn't part of his function and he developed those traits independently. According to Persephone he originally was an upstanding guy and a loving mate, not much different from Neo.

And speaking about sexual desire, one of the Animatrix shorts showed that you can incite it (and pretty quick, I must add) into an AI that is lacking any human-like traits.

How you got somewhere, and why you are there, are not the same thing.

It'd be like if you asked God "why am I alive" and he said it was because your parents gave birth to you.

It's not really what you were asking.

>lists 3 words
>anyone who uses 10 words when 2 will do is a retard
user...

>left smart right dumb
If you don't think that both sides talk down to the morons on their side, you really are a retard that needs to be talked down to.

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You forgot to mention the experimental phases where the machines created different worlds for humans in inhabit to see which world they'd accept the easiest. Like they realized that humans can't live in a perfect, eden-like world without suffering so after the next reset they tried something different and created a world where humans lived on a nightmarish planet full of fucked up monsters and supernatural predators that would torment then without pause. Werewolves, ghosts, vampires etc. That's where those two white rasta-looking wraiths dudes from the second movie came from, the Merovingian saved them from deletion once the machines reset the horror world. It was easily the most interesting part of the lore but they never gave us any details in the main movies, I think I only heard it from a documentary IIRC.

He's the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation. Fuck. What the fuck more do you want? He says HOW he got to that room and WHY Neo exists.

There's also the fact that all good public speakers are taught to speak at a low reading level when addressing large and diverse crowds - which a nation of 300+ million definitely qualifies as. Especially when many of them do not have English as their first language.

Trump's simple speaking style is a deliberate choice.

Written by Michael Kirkbride.

I really like this exchange. First, the architect actually backtracks slightly, admitting humanity may not be so much inferior as it is bound by rules so low level that they can scarcely be said to exist.

Then, he is proven wrong immediately; Neo saves Trinity. Immediately after his speech, Neo proves he is fallible and that the outcome is not assured. I believe this is what the Oracle set out to do; to influence events so that The One would take the other option, believing, intuitively, that it would lead to a better outcome.

>talking about drumpft now
I accept your concession.

No he doesn't. Neo exists to reset the code. Him being an anomaly of an unbalanced equation still isn't WHY he's there.

If the architect had really answered his question, he would have said
>You're here to make the choice to either reset the matrix and restart Zion or return to the Matrix to save Trinity and let everybody die

My theory is that theres an exponenrial increase in the number of adult matrx rejectors. Notice how none of them are kids and the youngest is like 16. The machines must purge the babies. They mention that there are loads more recruits after neo. I think its the other way around neo is triggered due to the increase. Combined with exponential population growth in the matrix itself which is unavoidable with humans, the machines must have an external control or suffer with whatever humans do if they are left in once they reject the system. Probably an immediate crash once the number is too high.

I think theres probably in increase in rejectors due to the matrix collecting inconsistencies like vamps and werewolves. It simulates the information age as another control. Let the humans lose themselves in the internet etc. Collect the rebels in one place. Let them find and extract each other until it gets out of hand then hard reset.

hearty kek

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Neo didn't ask why he existed.

He asked why he was specifically THERE.

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Fair enough. I'm still not sure what The Merovingian's traits have to do with anything. As mentioned, many of the programs in the Matrix have human-like traits. They can mimic human actions, even have emotions, apparently, but that doesn't mean the Machines can understand humans sufficiently enough to eliminate the anomaly in the Matrix's programming.

Lots of politicians do it.

I was refuting the user who says Trump does it for the sake of his base - it's not. It's because it's a good public speaking tactic in general.

The machines needed to subdue humanity. The matrix is needed to keep people's minds occupied, so their bodies can be harvested for energy. However, not everyone accepts the program. These individuals are able to escape the program, and eventually form a resistance to continue their war with the machines. So to mediate this, the machines created Zion, and the path of the one. Zion is basically a pressure release valve for all the humans who were able to escape the matrix; they congregate there, plan their resistance, and attempt to overthrow the machines. Eventually, roughly every 100 years, enough people have awakened from the program that it threatens to crash the system at large. So "the one" is needed to reboot the program and select a small group of survivors who will restart humanity. The rest of the rebellious humans are wiped out, and when the program is reset the process starts again: see you in 100 years.

>If the architect had really answered his question, he would have said
>You're here to make the choice to either reset the matrix and restart Zion or return to the Matrix to save Trinity and let everybody die
user, The Architect plainly states that fact.

The Indian guy in the subway explains to Neo that he loves his daughter, and Neo wonders how a machine can love. He says the word can have many different meanings to many different people, suggesting that machines simply feel emotions in a different way than people. He "loves" his daughter in the sense that he is willing to do anything to ensure her continued existence.

But not until the end of the conversation. I'm talking about their very first exchange.

"You didn't answer my question" takes place minutes before the architect actually does answer it

I forget where they said it but the machines picked 1999ish because it was the peak of civilization in many ways. Notice that the peak of human civilization is said to be pre-9/11. Prescient, really.

reminder that Neo's passport expires on September 11th, 2001

He tells exactly that to Neo, though.

>There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the Source and the salvation of Zion. The door to your left leads back to the Matrix, to her, and to the end of your species.

>The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure.
Oh sounds intriguing, so what was this "monumental failure" then?
>he doesn't actually explain

And people wonder why sequels are generally seen as shitty.

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THAT'S NOT WHEN NEO SAYS 'you haven't answered my question'

JESUS CHRIST

THAT'S THE END OF THE CONVERSATION, NOT THE INITIAL EXCHANGE

Okay, so your problem is that The Architect provided more exposition before answering a question? Fine. I'm not going to argue your opinion my friend.

It was rejected by everyone you brainlet

It's obvious - the monumental failure was that not enough people accepted the Perfect Matrix

Probably because they knew it was too good to be true

use your brain a little, ironic choice of image

MY POINT IS THAT NEO IS CORRECT IN CALLING OUT THE ARCHITECT ON NOT ANSWERING HIS INITIAL QUESTION

FUCK

I actually thought the anomaly itself was manifested as Neo.

>MY POINT IS THAT NEO IS CORRECT IN CALLING OUT THE ARCHITECT ON NOT ANSWERING HIS INITIAL QUESTION
>FUCK
You were initially arguing that he didn't answer his question not that it wasn't answered immediately.

So would the fact that the "humans" are part machine as well given the fact they have a bunch metal holes in their body, one of which is at their brain stem that allows machines to interface with them. Neo and all of the other "Ones" could just as easily be modified further to facilitate their purpose making Neo in the real world practically more of a machine himself with technological abilities the other humans aren't capable of.

It doesn't need to be magic. It can simply just be an implant that switched on or Neo became more consciously aware of when he lost his eyes and created a picture representation in his mind of what his machine enhanced other senses were detecting. It can be a similar implant that allows him to directly interface with the machine signals and switch them off. It doesn't require any magic or matrixes within matrixes in the slightest.

The movie isn't trying to portray something 100% scientifically accurate. Even the battery concept could be another example of the machines figuring out "hey if we modify humans in just this way with our hyper-technology and then combine them with another type of energy source we can arrive at a better or smoother overall energy output than simply relying on that energy source by itself. And we don't have to exterminate humans in their entirety, which we don't want to do anyway."

The humans in the real world outside of the Matrix are technologically modified. You can fit all sorts of shit into that plot point.

In that case we've just been having a huge misunderstanding

Doh! thanks for the answer tho

The fact you can admit you were wrong and simply move on makes you too good for this place

I'm sorry, what does this have to do with your original argument?

>that doesn't mean the Machines can understand humans sufficiently enough to eliminate the anomaly in the Matrix's programming

They literally do, it's why Neo exists. The anomaly can't be eliminated because *we* are the anomaly.

Rent.Free

The nightmare world was based off our folklore and mythology. Those white rasta dudes are literally ghosts in the paranormal sense, and the merovengians bodyguards are werewolves and vampires. Persephone is persephone from Greek mythology

A matrix movie set in that version of the matrix would be pretty interesting

So? He eventually answered the question, when it pleased him. That's still more direct than all the obscure non-answers the Oracle gives to Neo.

thanks man, it helps that I barely come here anymore, this the first interesting thread I've seen in months

He tells Neo his first question may not be relevant anyway.

>They literally do, it's why Neo exists. The anomaly can't be eliminated because *we* are the anomaly.
Neo exists because they don't know how to solve the anomaly. Yes, I conceded much earlier that perhaps the anomaly is humanity. The Architect doesn't say as much but that could simply be a result of his nature, his need for perfection and control, and he can't accept that humanity is outside the realm of 100% machine control.

I'll give you that one actually. It's explained in The Animatrix anyway, people were becoming aware of the system.

Kinda like minorities leaving the Democratic platform.

Then theres no story dipshit. Your logic doesnt matter if it also doesnt provide a reason for humans to exist in the story. You wouldnt even be thinking about the question of what an ai society would do without the matrixs dumb solution as a starting point. So come up with a logical reason for machines to keep billions of humans alive in a simulated reality and also be hostile to them or fuck off

>I'm still not sure what The Merovingian's traits have to do with anything.

Look at the scene where the Merovingian is speaking with Neo. Pretend you have no idea who are those characters, it's the first time seeing the exchange. You are told one of them is a machine AI and the other one a human. Based on their behavior, who'd you asume is the machine, Neo or Mero?

Like I said, blurred lines. Vis-A-Vis. Apropos.

oh man, imagine a movie or show where people have to jump between versions to do something. that'd be sweet as fuck.

I THINK MATRIX SUCKS

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Here's what I would have made it:

The Machines are keeping humans alive to study them because they don't understand certain subtleties of organic life - namely the range and expressions of their emotions.

they need to study this because the machines have started branching out into Space and anticipate they will eventually run into other similarly irrational, organic species and want to understand them as well as possible prior to 1st contact

I mean why wouldn't the machines eventually spread to space? Of course they would

"Anomaly" was spelled out as "choice". They live in a non-deterministic universe. Machines can't solve for it because it can't be solved and they don't fully comprehend it because they don't experience choice themselves due to them being programmed AI- hence they call it "anomalies". Choice vs Determinism was one of the major themes shown through the conflict between Neo and Smith/AIs.

I also like the Westworld take: at first they couldn't reliably reproduce Delos because the code they were using was too complex, humans are extremely simple compared to hosts, and so their code was simpler (a 10k line algorithm). Unlike The Matrix though, WW emphasizes that human beings can't change, they have one single primary drive (survival) and we'll always make the same decisions over and over again.

Neo concludes the problem is choice. Perhaps he's right. The Architect doesn't even react to his words. The viewer is left to determine which character is correct or draw their own conclusion.

>In America we don't read a bunch of gay legends about wizards and faggot knights
oh no no no no no no no

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Yeah, Smith thought himself as freed from his shackles, but when Neo makes him realize that was just a delusion, the guy literallly shits his pants in despair.

This is odd though, considering the Machine Revolution was kick-started by a machine that "chose" to kill its owner to preserve its own existence

Machines choose to do things all the time, they absolutely experience choice

But it is revisited in the 3rd one with Smith also not comprehending it and Neo declaring it "choice" again with strong reactions from Smith. The final exchange between the Oracle and Architect shows they are changing things again by giving everyone a choice to leave the Matrix.

And as I said, blurred lines don't mean a perfect blending. Man and Machine will always be separated to a certain extent. That's why the Machines can't eliminate the anomaly. The Architect will keep trying though because that's its purpose.

the philosopher's stone is an alchemical concept. that's why you're fucking retards

You need to understand where Trump supporters are coming from. Many of them don't have the intelligence or self-esteem to really adapt to the rapidly changing world around them. They're scared. They're like an animal with an injured leg starving to death in the woods. Their doom is inevitable and they know it, but they're fighting at their most ferocious to delay it. It's respectable in a way. Others are just trying to fit in. Maybe they had a bad relationship with their father. Maybe they were awkward in high school and had bad formative years that left them bitter. Maybe they were inadequately prepared for life in general because the people that could've or should've been responsible just didn't do a good job.

Bottom line is they're insecure and maladaptive and the lowest common denominator of any society is generally the most welcoming with the lowest barriers to entry. You just have to do heroin to fit in with the heroin addicts and the rest of your life takes care of itself. Trump supporters are the same way. They find themselves supporting Trump because they're broken people and in supporting Trump they become more broken by alienating anyone they may have had in their life other than Trump supporters which allows them to fit in even better with the other broken people. It's sad. Everyone goes through some hard times, it's just a shame when people crystallize those hard times. I'm happy that they are finding company with other outcasts though. They probably deserve some measure of comfort.

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My favorite Smith scene is when he finds the Oracle and smashes the plate of cookies off the table

>So, did you know I was going to do that? Maybe you did. If you did, that means you deliberately baked these cookies and placed them right there on purpose. Now why would you do that?

it's a good mirror to Neo's first scene with the architect

Sure. Again, I'm not arguing that humanity couldn't be the anomaly.

College educated white males voted for trump in the majority. The parties are divided along race, not class.

*Neo's first scene with the Oracle

Why do the machines even need the matrix lmao. Just have the people in there sleeping or even awake whonthe fuck cares. They are in a tube, they cannot just kick it open can they?

I like that scene too, user. Truly a patrician's choice.

Congratulations, that's the dumbest post in this entire thread so far

It's literally in the fucking script you retard faggot

lmao

>What you done with Shari?
>COOKIES NEED LOVE JUST LIKE EVERYTHING DOES
>....You are a bastard
>You would know, mom

They have the opposite reaction. Neo doesn't think much of it and the Oracle is the one pressing him to think about it.

>Neo: How did you know?
>Oracle: Ohhh, what's really going to bake your noodle later on is, would you still have broken it if I hadn't said anything?... You're cuter than I thought. I can see why she likes you.
>Neo: Who?

Tnx for explaining why not just have humans in tubes without any matrix shenanigans. How much fucking energy does it consume lmso.

except libtards have shown countless times they don't give a shit about being manipulated into a system.

Watch the movie retard. They literally explain in OP's scene that the first versions of the matrix failed.

Why even have a matrix fuck are you reading?

>90s
>peak civilization

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Max technology before everything goes to shit. I can see it.

>So, did you know I was going to do that? Maybe you did. If you did, that means you deliberately baked these cookies and placed them right there on purpose. Now why would you do that?
What's great is that the answer is right there in front of his face, and she just sits silently

>Now why would you do that?
She chose to

80s was much more kino. Not just aesthetically, but everything in general was better.

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Considering when the movie was made it makes perfect sense

>Post-fall of the Soviet Union, Cold War over
>Pre-9/11
Many people in the 1990s thought that the worst was over and the world was generally on the path to prosperity

Yeah, it was better. The Matrix fails in 1999. Not shocked at all.

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Exactly. She just wanted to, and Smith is incapable of understanding that.

I prefer to think she put the cookies there just to see if Smith still couldn't understand choice.

>Matrix fails likely right before robot tech is being created inuniverse

The real kicker is that Smith chose to knock the cookies off too, and doesn't even realize it.

If it was deliberate it would have been something to distract him so he wouldn't think too hard about absorbing her code or something like that as my head canon.

Oh, no she knew he was going to absorb her no matter what. Remember she says

>Do what you came here to do
right before he absorbs her