So...what ARE the greatest films of time?

So...what ARE the greatest films of time?

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Birth of a Nation

That wholly depends on what definition of the word great you are using.

Well, generally there are some films that everyone has determined are the best. But are these REALLY the best of the best? Like what even defines the best and why does every seem to think its citizen kane?

Best and greatest don't mean the same thing.

Mister Lonely

Fine. I'm talking the best films not the greatest

Certainly not some old ass boring movies that put everyone to sleep

>nothing but movies older than you
Garbage taste, bro

The Wizard of Oz to be quite honest

This isn't my list.

Honestly my favorite movies are

Goodfellas
The master
The 400 blows
The empire strikes back
Apocolypse now
Jurassic park
Amadeus
The shining
There will be blood

In no particular order although goodfellas is my favorite movie hands down. Then my list gets a bit less modern after the top ten but you can see why I'm asking this question. What truly defines THE BEST films of all time? If it's all personal preference then why do so many people follow these lists? And how are other movies ever going to have a better chance at exposure if year after year decade after decade the top 3 films never change?

That is undoubtedly a classic but I wouldnt say it's the best


So what are we defining as the best here?
Is it what is structurally the best? Meaning the film is made perfectly in all aspects of the artform on the paper standards. Or is it about what films were able to touch you and bring forth true emotions? If it's the latter then is there really even a BEST films list if all of it is opinionated? If it is structurally then I guess I can see why movies like citizen kane and the godfather are constantly in the top discussion (I'm not saying I dislike these films by the way)

So what is the answer here? And where can I find lists with less obvious choices for the favorites?

>star wars film
>not the original
Pleb

the perceived authorities define the best films

my favourite ones

Sight and sound can honestly shove it.

Does anyone have any BEST films lists that arent so predictable. Even if all of this means nothing I'd at least like to see that

These are the greatest and if you disagree you are wrong.

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Wow honestly the middle is fucking pure kino and the best of the trilogy. That fucking theme is maybe my favorite of any movie theme of all time. And that showdown at the end was fucking way more tense than good, bad, and ugly. Bravo user

Gone with the Wind was a much better film.

I tell no lies, effendi. Pure kino.

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Don't overthink it, user. The Wizard of Oz is the greatest movie. Everyone has seen it. Everyone loves it except bitter little faggots.

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shut up boomer, you have terrible taste

Rules of the Game is overrated as fuck

I'm in my 20s and I have great taste. Nobody likes your shitty "art" films.

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Anvengers endgame

is right middle A Man for All Seasons?

Yes.

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The Shawshank Redemption
The Godfather
The Godfather: Part II
The Dark Knight
12 Angry Men
Schindler's List
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
Pulp Fiction
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

The only good ones are 12 Angry Men and The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. Internet score aggregators are terrible.

Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia
The Wild Bunch
Wild Strawberries
Fanny and Alexander
Vampyr
Vertigo
The Searchers
City Lights
Gold Rush
Phantom Carriage
Sunrise
Ugetsu
Harakiri
The Human Condition
Demons (Shura)
Throw Away Your Books Rally in the Streets
The Travelling Players
Eternity and a Day
The Weeping Meadow
Marketa Lazarová
Valley of the Bees
Faust (1994)
The Turin Horse
Werckmeister Harmonies
Andrei Rublev
Mirror
Offret
Stalker
Prince of the City
La Notte
L'Eclisse
Il Gattopardo
Rocco and his Brothers
Letters Never Sent
The Godfather
The Godfather II
Apocalypse Now
Barry Lyndon
Lawrence of Arabia
Ben Hur
Sweet Smell of Success
La Dolce Vita
Raiders of the Lost Ark
The Last Crusade
Rio Bravo
Rififi
The Apartment
Trouble in Paradise
Grand Illusion
Winchester ’73
The Tree of Life
Mulholland Drive
Lost Highway
Manuel on the Island of Wonders
Here you go. Complete, unranked list.

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Because Citizen Kane became the blueprint for a lot of shit that came afterwards and was truly ahead of its time during the period it came out in.

My take would be that movies labeled as such, like say The Godfather Part I and II, are usually the ones that are talked about for decades because they're brilliant on 50 different levels.

the shining isn't even in the top 3 Kubrick

the return of swamp thing

Citizen Kane wasn't a blueprint. That's revisionism. 1920s German silent films were the blueprint for everything. Citizen Kane came put after the fucking Wizard of Oz. You dumb cocksucker.

What said.

Your question is tough to answer. You have to start with a definition, or a criteria. After that look at the films that meet the criteria. But how do you define a "great film" and set up a criteria that most agrees upon?

The main problem is that films are a unit made of distinct parts: cinematography, audiography, symbolism, acting, pace, scenery, effects, emotion, originality, plot, quality, editing, direction, production as well as being a part of the chronological time it was made and the language/culture it's based upon.

And the audience have different tastes (based on their experience, education, enviroments...), so they value these parts differentely.

Therefor I think it's better to ask a different question that is more precise:
What films have the best acting, symbolism, lightning, soundtrack, comedy, editing?
Those are way easier to define, and the lists of films you get from those are more accepted by the most people as long as your criteria is solid.

fpbp

It's not revisionism. The silent era was influential, but not in the way Citizen Kane was.

What was so influential about Citizen Kane then?

To add, I myself rate the films I watch based upon around 50 categories (such as those mentioned above, acting, editing, direction). And the categories that has the highest correlation with my general rating is most often "feel" and "direction". Movies that I understand, that I can immerse myself into, that offers what I want are those that I rate the highest. It kind of makes sense but it's also sad since they're really hard to define and extremely subjective making it hard for everyone to agree upon.

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4.5 is below average, 5 is average.

We're not playing this game, pal.

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Sadly not on my scale, I'm a rather critical person
(and it's also because there was hard to fins words to describe the worse ratings)

Not Vertigo, that's for sure. Critics only decided to circlejerk over that mess in the last few decades.

this is a terrible and embarrassing list. I assume these are just the greatest films youve seen. And clearly you havent seen very many

this is u

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this list is just some entry level imdb shit

Come on, name some things.

Kek, i bet you haven't even seen Manuel on the Island of Wonders or Faust.

2001: A Space Odyssey
The Tree of Life
The Assassination of Jesse James
There Will Be Blood
Das Boot
Blade Runner 2049
Blade Runner
The Thin Red Line
City of God
12 Monkeys
The Social Network
Paths of Glory
Forrest Gump
Whiplash
Vertigo
Fight Club
Clockwork Orange
American Psycho
Vertigo

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