Why is this style of film so appealing to men?

>Heroes journey isn't gendered in any way and there's nothing inherently sexual about it
>Feminists decide it's sexist anyway
>Come up with the heroines journey
>It's heavily centred around gender and woman's sexual experiences
Why are feminists so thirsty?

but how is it selected? what are you even talking about? you're just giving the simplest explanation of what natural selection is without explaining how natural selection is selecting for this this in this instance because you're just finding a quick response to something in order to avoid actually thinking or discussing anything.

As men, we find value in growing and undergoing change. Having your tacit value validated and acknowledged is more of a women thing

>still stuck on threshold guardian

because its the style of all great kino

This didn't happen in Terminator

Check your tone lil nigga do you want a thesis on behavioral genetics posted for you on Yea Forums? If you can't grasp it already you must have been a lousy student.

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Its the hyper-real IE symbolic. Our consciousness is formed by ideological superstructure from birth gained by literature or just meta-historical narratives and you can play on the juxtaposition and irony of that brought down to a single individual slovo compared to the existence of the whole world, through images. This also has occultist and mystical origins, espically the death and rebirth part (dark-romanticism, the inversion of Faust)

I don't like it; especially the "supernatural aid" part. I prefer more down to Earth stories.

>humanistic dramas

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because it is hardcoded to our existence to seek revelation (aka the Truth)

Because.

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Because you're a faggot that wasn't properly raised as a child in terms of cylture, so you rally for Internet memes

Dude...what if...we made a deconstruction of the hero's journey *hits bong*

why do men like pic related so much?

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Bugmen maybe

>Heroes journey isn't gendered in any way and there's nothing inherently sexual about it
Kinda wrong, women have their own version of a 'hero's journey'. You can put a woman as the hero but it won't appeal to women as it does to men.
>Feminists decide it's sexist anyway
>Come up with the heroines journey
>It's heavily centred around gender and woman's sexual experiences
It's because they only see the world through that lens, they cannot understand that people, even women, can care more about other things that isn't muh patriarchy.

Because the kitty cat dance dance dance and he dance dance dance

>how many stories actually fit these exact beats?
An absolute fuckton. Not even adventure movies, it's basically just a typical 3-act story structure. It's so standard that you don't even realise when a story uses it.
It's not necessarily THE most optimal way, but it works super fucking well. It's far easier to make a story that follows that structure than to do it another way.

>And who is to say this is the most optimal way to tell a hero's journey?
Because it stood the test of time, it speaks to men on a fundemental level from the time humans didn't have a spoken language. If it works why change it?

why do modern women have extreme penis envy?

If you're asking, you're either a woman or a fag. This is the natural way for men, we like challenges and grow through hardship. Women don't understand this because they hate challenges, they want freebies, they want privilege and all the shit men work for without working for it. That's why their female heroes are Mary Sues. They don't earn anything, they just getting because of their vagina.

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>why do modern women have extreme penis envy?
Men build the world, women only bring them to the world.

:)

this

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Do it

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>Freud also had controversial views on women, believing that their lives were dominated by sexual reproductive functions. He even wrote, in 1925’s ‘The Psychical Consequences of the Anatomic Distinction Between the Sexes’ that ‘women oppose change, receive passively, and add nothing of their own’. To Freud, women were simply men without penises (Cohler & Galatzer-Levy, 2008), so naturally he introduced a stage of ‘penis envy’ – where a woman realises she does not possess a penis, and experiences an envy of the male, which accounted for much of female behaviour. Freud claimed that the only way they could overcome this penis envy was to have a child of their own – even going as far as to suggest they wanted a male child, in their efforts to gain a penis.
Based Freud. when they say have sex, tell them to have children

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they really are just envious at man's capability, it explains a lot.

because for women it would entirely be the kitchen

>When they say have sex, tell them to have children
That's a wrong comparison, user. When a roastie says 'have sex' she implies that you have to do something or be somebody of value to earn the right to sex, its basically "you're worthless so you get no rights to pass on your genes, haha, you'll never have sex". There is no equivalent of that for women, women don't need to earn the right to children, they can decide if they want to pass on their genes. You're better of saying to a roastie 'Don't have sex/babies' because only then do they lose all the value they have.

Because modern society has removed any rites of passage and this arc speaks to some far away part of us.

But what about women who are also jews?

Based subversive kike

Because it is a style of storytelling that works for tens of thousands of years, across all cultures, all over the world and it touches something within a man that urges him to improve himself and thus also by extension his own society.
Only ones who don't understand this are women and leftists (same thing really).

Funny how every previously good IP that followed this outdated formula turned into a steaming pile of shit the second the progressive retards in the production decided to 'deconstruct it'.

How many of those crimes were done because of women? Roasties are the root of all evil.

>believing that their lives were dominated by sexual reproductive functions
Unironically true. Every single time women try to make some statement or create art it always ends up being about their vaginas. Women's stand up is always about their vaginas and sex, feminist art is always some shit like vaginas drawn with their period blood, women's protests have pussy hats etc. It's literally all the same shit every time.

Name one movie that has this format.

leftists understand it
they think they're doing it

hello son

It's a distillation of the successful male life journey.
>be young, inexperienced, stupid
>make good friends
>learn from a wise elder
>prove yourself against hardship
>eventually, the older generation will die, so you must learn to stand on your own
>become ever more competent, take on bigger hardships, win, fill the boots of those who came before you
>gain the affections of a female and or wealth and fame
>pass something on to the next generation

The female equivalent is Beauty and the Beast
>be woman, weak an unable to affect change on the world through your own two hands
>through your charm and beauty attract the attention of a powerful male (the beast)
>gradually tame him, and bring him under your control, transform him into the Prince
>share in his wealth and power
You may also recognise this as the plot of 50 Shades of Grey.

what the fuck do you mean how
are you retarded?

All women are jews

Literally entire fucking capeshit genre, Thor especially, for three movies in a row and it will continue.

Yeah, how many men dream of a powerful, dom-queen?

Rey is kinda like Anakin though when you think about it. She should frighten you.

>I perfer more down to earth stories

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>heroes journey
a man puts himself in danger to help others
>heroine journey
a girl leaves to do something selfish and "know herself", in the end helps no one
women love her and think she is strong and a good role model

Why is MBTI such an accurate description of personality?
Why are horoscopes so relatable?

because men who went on adventures spread their seed all over the place while the ones who stayed at home got cucked by the badass adventurers from far away.

This

Because the universe isn't as solid as we think it is.

You don't now how natural selection work, do you?

Only good answer

same, the hero can always find new strenght inside himself

they aren't

is this the power of the incel I keep hearing about?

Myths are stories we all know before anyone ever tells them to us.

Your insincere self-loathing is insignificant in comparison to my loathing for people like you.

It did. Sarah Connor undergoes the hero’s journey. The call to adventure is presented by Kyle Reese rescuing her and introducing her to the notion that she eventually becomes the badass mother of the badass leader of the badass human resistance to SkyNet, that she’s important to the future of humanity. The temptation is to ignore Kyle and treat everything he’s saying as the babbling of a lunatic. The Terminator is the threshold guardian. Kyle Reese is the supernatural aid/helper/mentor. The threshold into the unknown is her transition from our mundane existence into a world where time travel and death-dealing cyborgs are real. The death is not hers, but Kyle’s. The abyss and transformation comes in the sequel, with the former being her time in the mental facility and her transformation from the doe-eyed damsel she is through much of the first film to the hard-ass prepper we see in the entirety of the sequel. The atonement is her reconciling with the the T-800 she now sees as an ally and relenting on her quest to kill the scientist. Her return is the conclusion where she embraces that whatever the future holds, it’s not written in stone.

Yeah yeah, I know, you love LotR and wish for Monarchy to come back because it's non-degenrate system of governace and all the memes. God, you fucks are just as bad as the onions-slurping cucks of the world.
Pretty much, yeah. I dislike anything with a grand wizard or whatever gifting the protagonist with a purpose and abilities; it robs him of agency.

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I'd love that
>the hero fails and returns home
>nobody there knows that he failed since they live in ignorance of his exploits
>he goes on living a "regular" life
Doesn't have to be a bummer ending or anything, just like a "sometimes stuff don't work out and you gotta make the best of it" ending

It connects with people on a spiritual level.

Fucking based.

>Check your tone lil nigga do you want a thesis on behavioral genetics posted for you on Yea Forums? If you can't grasp it already you must have been a lousy student.
Fucking SAVAGED

Motherfucking saved.

>your only options are a dull, """""down-to-earth"""" slice of life drama or LotR-style high fantasy
t. doesn't understand the hero's journey archetype in the least
Supernatural stories speak to a deeper part of our subconscious than realistic ones, hence why they tend to stick in the collective consciousness longer and more powerfully.
And no good story is completely down-to-earth. They all take place in varying levels of unreality. Works of are that seek to produce perfect realism are incredibly dull and only exist to make snobs like yourself feel smart for pretending to like them.

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This even makes sense on a genetic level. The male evolved *out* of the female. We get chromosomes so diverse that one of them’s a completely new type. We’re the upgrade. Who wouldn’t envy the new guy with the new toys?

Women are pussies.

chope your balls off and turn female then
alternatively, just kys now and save a lot of time and money

You could make a great comedy out of the failure character being the reluctant mentor to some story’s protagonist, and to have it eventually revealed that the reason he’s reluctant to train anyone is that he knows they’ll eventually learn he’s a failure.

Or, you know, maybe people just have different opinions and don't like exactly the same things that you do

Well, i think that is a good distillation on what the heroes journey are.
Its not that the heroes journey is popular, its that "guy learns new thing and grows up" is popular, despite the similarities.

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if enemies ever invaded your country, you would be counting on your own men to act violent beasts :^)

Nobody envies you you fucking loser

youtube.com/watch?v=NNnIGh9g6fA

Watch this if you really want to be educated. Watch all the lectures, I mean.

>57 minutes long

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This guy is right desu. If we ended up having an aversion to the hero's journey, you fags would be saying it was selected against because the people went off into the woods alone got murdered. Hindsight rationalizations are gay.

Stop browsing Yea Forums from school turk

people who talk about "the tribe" when talking about evolution don't know dick. Modern man was basically fully evolved at the point that we started to band together in tribes. The genetic difference between early tribal man and a person born yesterday is so minimal it isn't even worth mentioning.

hero's journey is cool, the problem is The Chosen One

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if he's alone in the woods, who murdered him?
checkmate atheist

>Threshold Guardian
How can one entity be this based??

>muh psychoanalysis

fuck that shit, Joseph Campbell fucked up a nice self contained recopilatory work with that pseudoscientific crap

Plase no, Satan

Sometimes the Threshold Guardian is extremely subtle. In LotR, the guardian is Hobbit society and its distrust of outsiders and dim view of adventurous types.

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Thanks to finding this pic, I found this. Enjoy.

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Explain

Oh fuck off you absolute pseud. Evo psych is so easy to just talk out your ass about and justify anything. Real answer: this form of storytelling is very old, and became the foundation of most writing in western society. It’s appealing because it’s ingrained into most frames of reference that you have relating to a good story

Her teeth frighten me.

>he thinks it’s just Western culture

Fucking kek.

You can put a girl in the same place, it's just feminists will shit on it anyway.

>but how is it selected?
the ancestors who didnt exhibit that behavior died without procreating because they were beta incels

Why aren't we all Chad's by now then if betas were culled so early on?

>One whole day he lay on his bed and his suffering increased, a second and a third day; ten days he lay and his suffering increased, eleven and twelve days he lay on his bed of pain.
>Then he called to Gilgamesh, 'My friend, the great goddess cursed me and I must die in shame. I shall not die like a man fallen in battle; I feared to fall, but happy is the man who falls in the battle, for I must die in shame.'
>And Gilgamesh wept over Enkidu. . . .

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Lmao, what a fag.

>Because men are easily pleased low IQ beasts. Despite making up 50% of the population, they’re responsible for 98% of violent crimes worldwide.

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Women genes and modern child raising

Oh fuck you with your fucking evolution bullshit to justify psychopaths and bullying! God exist, Soul exist, there is something after death and Plato is right about ideas being unchanged archetype forms residing on the world of ideas.

I'm so fucking mad at darwinist fuckers who repeat everything is genetic because they are on a superior position and support liberalism for it.

You sure its not aragorn and Gandalf literally guarding the for the first steps of the journey?

In this thread we have people who believe natural selection is about a guy travelling somewhere and his memories are encoded on DNA.
There is no scientist evidence about it, you are describing a magical mechanism, it make no fucking sense.

Goddam, that’s amazing. That’s the entire spirit of Conan, Shakespeare’s Saint Crispin’s Day speech, and the entirety of what we recognize as honor and valor in one brief passage, and it’s literally as older than civilization.

Foes/rivals turned friends and then have one of them die tragically is such a great trope.

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>surface level retard detected

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No, because the threshold guardian is something that opposes the quest, inhibits it. You could look at the door into Moria as another Threshold Guardian of sorts. The Guardian is an opposing force to the helpers and mentors.

Memories are not genes, they can't be selected, evolution work with random mutations, the mental world is not part of it.

So, genes don't effect the brain then? Don't effect hormone balance? Don't effect susceptibility to this or that action? This is what I meant by surface level.

Archetypes and concepts are on some level genetic. That’s why imagery can impact people from all cultures in precisely the same way and carry precisely the same meaning.

Not gonna lie, this is kinda gay.

>Memories are not genes, they can't be selected, evolution work with random mutations, the mental world is not part of it.
Wrong. There are many theories that memories can be 'saved' in genes. Take for example how cats get scared if you place a cucumber near them. Their 'genetic memory' tells them that that cucumber, a long object that kinda looks like a snake from a glance, is an actual snake so they have to run even if they have never seen a snake in their life.

seeth hard christcuck

Or maybe it’s a genetic memory of the long-standing animosity between cats and cucumbers. Maybe they remember on a genetic level a time when cucumbers still ruled the planet.

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>In this thread we have people who believe natural selection is about a guy travelling somewhere and his memories are encoded on DNA.
Oof, imagine trying to get through life being this much of a brainlet.

you stupid niggas there a whole field of study about it all absolute fucking moroons

youtube.com/watch?v=OrNBEhzjg8I

here, watch this you uncultured pigs

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Weren't cats living on the moon during that period of earth's history?

Absolutely no proofs and evidences of that, people here can't make differences between hypothesis and valuable theories.

Yes. That’s where they were forced to retreat to. The people of Earth owe them a huge debt.

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What the hell it has to do with immaterial memories? You are here talking about the system of neurones fonction already included.

There is evidence to support it. Learned behaviors can be both inherited as well as “ingested” by certain species of flatworm.

If memories are really selected by DNA, then it mean that niggers are really an inferior race with a low QI, knowing their primitive lifestyle and moods will be transmitted.

Flatworms are not humans or mammals.
Zero evidences concerning our own specie, it's easy to take very simple life-forms with a very limited perception.

>ywn have a comfy MK-ULTRA job where you’re paid to scare monkeys

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biology and genetics are not exact sciences, it is not math, you can't say this happens so this will happen in biology, behavior is a mix of so many tiny variables including genes, environment, nutrition, diseases, how much water you drink, sunlight you take, care you got from your parents, mental stimulaiton

you just can say there is LE NIGGER GENE, well you can say it but good look proving that

Thats an open secret.

Actually legit redpilled.

Pink pilled

Yes, it’s easier. Easier to demonstrate. You don’t have to wait literal years between trials. Nor does anyone have to volunteer for cannibalism.

According to people here if somebody was raped by a pedophile and robbed by niggers, does it mean that his kids will be afraid of pedophiles and niggers?

If the kikes who control society make intense propaganda about making niggers cool and loveable by womens, does this mean the female kids of those womens will like niggers for generations?

it is not the memory that is passed on, it is the behavior, cats that were scared of cucumbers had more babies than the cats who weren't, simply because the scared cat would never take the risk of it not being a snake, while the not scared cat could take the risk and even if only once in 10 times the cucumber was in fact a snake, now we have 9 not scared cats and 10 scared cats, add millions of years and shazam, cats are scared of things that look like snakes

If I love true kinos does this mean that my childrens will love true kinos too?

I could teach you but you're clearly a /pol/ knucklehead so fuck off

no, that's lamarckism

Is this why they hiss at my dick.

>ctrl+f
>hunt
>zero results found

Y’all some dumb motherfuckers ya know

I'm just afraid for the future of society.

It's appealing to women too my incel friend, that's the structure of most romcoms but translated into social situations.

Yes

It's a series of lectures. If you want to learn, you have to have discipline.

If left to nature, yes.

Based and true pilled.
>t. took multiple evo psych classes

actually evo psyche teaches us that you are gay since you are posting this on a phone which instinctively reminds you of holding another mans penis

The “hero’s journey” is adapted from the story of the hunt.

stfu

>but how is it selected?
How was the first reply to this not "Because you and your lineage would die-out, otherwise?"

>According to people here if somebody was raped by a pedophile and robbed by niggers, does it mean that his kids will be afraid of pedophiles and niggers?
They already are.
>If the kikes who control society make intense propaganda about making niggers cool and loveable by womens, does this mean the female kids of those womens will like niggers for generations?
Why do you think they are doing it for?

Do you guys realise this style of retardation isn't entertaining? I'm all for a good brappost and sneedpost, but pretending not to understand evolution is actually quite concerning. Is this just an American issue?

How did it take ten hours before someone mentioned hunting.

Were long past the safety and comfort of being able to believe people are only pretending to be retarded

dont all monkeys group up into little tribes?

society should be afraid of your genes passing on

americans are absolute morons

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there is evidence that trauma passes onto offspring and affects their behavior, but maybe not that precise

It's analgous to the typical man's experience with women

It appeals to everyone. Contrary to popular belief, story structure and character development are only ever satisfying if they follow roughly the same patterns.

It's always more fun to see someone evolve, than not. Same thing for the 3-act structure in Hollywood movies. If you used anything else, it would not be satisfying. There are exceptions, like Pulp Fiction, but you can easily say it respects the same structure, it just plays with it. Any story has a beginning, a middle, and an end, so it's pretty final.

Watch a bit of jordan peterson, its literally how your brain works, and its the cixle of maturity snd life for male apes

>I mean, how many stories actually fit these exact beats?
All the good ones.

>And who is to say this is the most optimal way to tell a hero's journey?
The fact that this is what speaks to humans the most. It's virtually coded into us, because that is how we develop. It's very pragmatic if you think about it.

Remove anything in the hero's journey and you just remove a fun thing.

Apart from the supernatural aid. Also see pacing in stories. Extra Credits has a good episode on pacing.

hasnt started

Based

It speaks to the human condition

Note, human does not include women.

They do

Rebel Without A Cause nails this

>Rationalist skeptic
>The "mental world" is some ethereal plane that isn't subject to evolution

mega cringe, incel.

Yelling at your genes doesn’t change them.

See: trannies

>man goes out into the unknown
>overcomes obstacles
>returns with rewards
>it takes ten hours before someone connects this with hunting

...

Because its plot is better constructed than any film that women like.

Implying the failed hero isn’t the greater story

That’s just something you find it easy to identify with.

Its appealing because it triggers primal shit in the back of your brain that responds to risk and reward. People are literally evolutionarily programmed to like that story type.

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There was a 40k book that did this to a side character
>young man on blood angles backwater homeworld
>was taken to be turned into a space marine, but failed
>broke his mind and he became partly retarded
>blood angels are more lenient then others, so instead of death or being turned into a servator, he is returned home to his father
>its considered as honor, seeing that he surivied at all, but his dad hates and is ashamed of him
>ends up saving his father when shit hits the fan qnd getting them both away safely through a tyrnid attack.

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>The Hero's Journey
>a "style of film"

Feminism is just a big femcel cope but some non femcel women have been memed into it because women can only function as part of a collective

>Heroes journey isn't gendered
wrong, as mostly men are capable of self-actualisation
its entierly empty of meaning for most females.

>daughter
*hits pipe*

go read some jung, joseph campbell, and/or jordan peterson. the hero's journey is the cornerstone/foundation myth of western civilization and arguably of all human civilization.

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It's the structure of real life. You encounter a problem and have to solve it.

The Kingkiller Chronicle by Patrick Rothfuss is basically this. The whole series is a bartender in a doomed and dying land telling the story of how he failed to save the world.

>jbp
only oldfags remember this meme

Because the Hero's journey gives an experience of life, rather than an explanation of life.

This is a perennial issue in trying to establish the idea of a woman's initiation into the world over a man's. Men have the Hero's journey, which has beats of initiation ceremony. Men have this because they need to BECOME Men in an active way, they don't have a physical change as shocking as menstruation to show the difference and mere growth is a gradual thing. Women are more passive actors within the natural world. Men are actors within life and have to define themselves through their action, whereas Women ARE life itself.

GOD PLEASE, READ THE MASKS OF GOD VOLUMES THEY ARE SO GOOD. I blame sparknotes and pseudo-intellectuals, content creators for fooling people into thinking Campbell was primarily a literary critic and not a Comparative Mythology scholar.

this is your brain on platonism