ITT: S2 > S1

they really need to cut some of the side plots. Hotel clerk girl and the lesbian stuff was so uninteresting

Kino

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they went too far with Tench's kid, like come on shoehorn a toddler killing story like a subplot?

>Atlanta missing child case too long, Holden white guilted into doing it and it ended up historically speaking to be pointless
>Dr. Carr lesbian subplot ended up eating time and being pointless
>Tetch creepy adopted son and bitchy wife subplot ate up the rest of the running time and ended up being pointless
Fuck I liked this season but a lot of the plot was bullshit. We lost a lot of interviews to that stupid plot shit. I doubt David Fincher came up with those three plots too.

most threads i've seen today are shitting on s2, complaining about black people, mostly, the seemingly unrealistic subplot with tench's son, and debating whether wendy is useless or not

what's crazy is that in the book the black ATL agent was almost killed and fought off the would be assassin. I think it was his wife that hired somebody to try and kill him. he then went on to join the Behavioral Science Unit. that would've been way more interesting

>Hotel clerk girl
literally one-fourth of one episode, and she's the one that brings the Atlanta murders to Holden's attention in the first place

Maybe and hopefully that'll be a S3 plot point.

Yes, absolutely, I very much enjoyed season 2 but, half these subplots don't seem to go anywhere or have any real bearing on the main story line.

I would like to say Cameron Britton should have won that fucking Emmy for his performance as Ed Kemper.

now that I've finished watching it and had time to reflect, all I can think about is the wasted potential

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>subplots that don't seem to go anywhere or have any real bearing on the main story line
they aren't pointless. they are there for character reasons, obviously. the interviews, at least this season, are also used to the same effect: to flesh out holden, bill, or wendy

Wendy is useless. Just make Agents Gregg Smith and Jim Barney series BSU regulars. They deserve it more than Carr.

A lot of Yea Forums is very brainlet and will automatically hate something if it has characters they don't like, even if those characters are deliberately flawed.

S2 suffers from Good old let's make the main characters feel like real people by adding shitty subplots.
The only unrealistic thing about his subplot is how nobody from the fucking FBI has picked up the local newspaper (you know, from Quantico or Virgina) and read about some toddler being murdered in their backyard. I'm on episode 6 and how this shit hasn't been traced back to Tench is astonishingly convenient.

Did you not watch the season. Yes she does eat up a lot of the episodes time trying to tell how racist Holden is. She literally has a big scene in the last fucking episode when they need time to wrap the season up. Even Holden's ex girlfriend from last season (who is never mentioned again) didn't take that much time during S1. Once they broke up that was it for that subplot.

Wahmen love serial killer shows and need someone to identify with. That busted dyke is here to stay and will always outsmart the rest of the cast.

she grounds Holden and is the non-G-Man version of Tench, not useless. practically speaking, you see her competently carry out the interviews when Holden or Tench are busy with other shit.

So tell me how exactly Bill and Wendy's character was changed by those subplots? Wendy stayed the same and Bill's marriage went from strained to more strained? What of Holden's panic attacks, that seem to be totally forgotten about after a few episodes.

I'm not saying all the subplots are useless but, a lot of them just felt like they really didn't bring much, or help to develop our characters significantly.

You'd think that Gunn would've been on Bill's doorstop the next day creepily holding it over his head somehow. They pretty much revealed that Gunn has a shit ton of influence and sources available to him.

I know it couldn't happen since it's grounded in reality, but during the interview with that bull queer I started to wonder if Smith was the bag killer and playing 5D chess by playing stupid.

>implying Smith isn't useless

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Lol yeah that was a bit funny. Anxiety disorders don't just magically disappear like that. Tench and Carr were realistic to doubt Holden was better but the plot solved that problem for them I guess.

if anything he's more cocksure and arrogant later in the series. In Atlanta he's practically rolling his eyes anytime someone questions him

I bet next season Holden's going to falsely accuse someone who kills themselves over the stress and go full mental breakdown or something.

It was his first interview and it would've been hard for anyone. They address how damn smart Holden and Wendy are and they have a ton of experience and they still get tripped up by the killers. Give Agent Smith a break he only did two interviews so far and both were psycho homos. Even Holden messes up a lot, hell in Atlanta Barney had to help and salvage interviews TWICE. So Barney and Smith deserve a chance.

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It is funny that by happenstance that Smith got two gay serial killer cases and his married and super Catholic upbringing seems a bit heavy-handed like they're hinting at something.

I'm not leaving without my titty signature.

Robert Hanson. He was covered in the book. Probably have interviews with Gacy and Bundy too

Between that and the scene where he calls homosexuality a behavioral deviancy, I'm gonna need to go to an optometrist for how hard I roll my eyes if they reveal him to be a repressed homo next season.

I liked S1 better but S2 was good. They were both kino and the only good thing on netflix either way.

Agree. Could have made the same point having him kill a cat or skmething

does he mention ever talking to gacy in the book? i can't remember. richard ramirez was also caught during the mid 80's so the timeline would flow

Fincher says he wants to do five seasons, I expect the last will be Holden going after BTK and going nearly mad over not being able to catch him. Fincher already did Zodiac and the case was cold by the 80's so I doubt they'll go there.

Yes he did. There was also the guy in buffalo who silence of the lambs was based on. And I think he interviewed Ed Gein

my bet is there will also be a season on the green river killer. he almost dies from over working on the case

Oh and his "I realize Wendy is gay but I'll cover for her" is a dead giveaway too. But you're probably right user.

So when is Tench's death and why will it be the cliffhanger in S3?

What the fuck was the point of Carr this season? She is a dyke and found another dyke to fuck and then dumped her. That's literally it. Waste of fucking time.

he thought it was made up for the interview and seemed pretty convinced. i think he still has some lingering suspicions though

Damn can't wait for Bundy then.
Haha maybe Smith will help interview Gacy too.

Does Holden come across as faggy as he did in season 1?

Remember that the woman is based on someone who started all the satanic bullshit at day care centers in the 90s that caused ase arrests. I wonder if they will bring that up

This guy was great, they should have done more with him

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What did he mean by this?

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he's a renaissance man

I was watching some real interviews with him on YouTube and he sounds the same.

more interviews, less autism son and lesbo struggles

him and the black FBI agent whose name I keep forgetting were good this season. i'm pretty sure they'll bring back the agent

Naw he almost gets it on with a fine looking black woman too. Plus it ain't gay but autism mostly. Holden is super exceptional.

Yeah of course cuckflix has to insert gay shit into everything. It's just fucking unrealistic for some dyke to openly dyke at some bar back then especially to a group of military men. They do this revisionist shit in this show a lot in regards to feminism in general. The psychiatrist honestly needs far less screen time.

>a fine looking black woman

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season 1 was an episodic detective show where they solved a new case every week. It followed two protagonists on the road, kinda like Supernatural.

season 2 is about a single case, and the mindhunter universe feels less immersive. I swear every episode has like 2 scenes where it's just Bill flying back and forth. so fucking tedious.

I wonder if they'll do Aileen Wuornos too so they can have a lady for a change?

Yeah, and I thought Holden's girlfriend was bad, they can't write relationships for shit in this show, Tench's shit was the only interesting subplot and even that was a bit convoluted, though it still worked as a good meta-commentary on killer-obsessions.

Well by Georgia standards lol

The point of showing their personal lives is they all mimic traits of serial killers

Could you elaborate on this

It actually made me hate black people even more.

>”it was whitey!”
>”da evidence don’t matter he dindu nuffin.”

I’m starting to wonder how much has been faked throughout history. The past few years it’s been quiet common to completely make up hate crimes for victim points and we’re even experiencing another red scare. Thankfully we have the internet, but they’re even starting to regulate what information we get there, now.

The episode were it showed them just staying up late in wait in cars for the Atlanta Child killer with a montage felt like actual fucking filter. Was almost tempted to stop the season there. I swear the Atlanta, lesbian and Bill's family shit really got grating after a bit. Hopefully those plots are done in S3.

holden thinks he's smarter than everybody (kemper)
manson tells tench that he's raised a murderous son
wendy and the homosexual serial killers

You need to experience some of the tedium to empathize with the characters, it was a concise montage that managed to portray every single negative aspect of staking out.

>would rather blame imaginary Klansmen boogeymen then blame their own pedos
Buh buh it was duh wy mhan dat kill us n sheeit

Holden is obsessive compulsive and cant form relationships

Psych lady is a repressed homosexual who lashes out at people

Tensch is the authoritarian absent Dad who manufactures serial killers

The season drew parallels between psych lady and Wayne William's. Was the whole point of her story. Both repressed homosexuals who blame their problems on others for not being at their level.

Hmm I do see your points user and noticed those allusions too.

Ok sure but it's not like all cop shows haven't done this before it wasn't groundbreaking or anything just kinda boring which I guess as you've mentioned was their point.

wait a minute. that filter and colour gradient. ive seen this before..

Didn't the Kroft brothers have some weird underground mall amusement park in Atlanta at the time? Why didn't they show the boys in that playing in the arcade?

Wayne was a repressed homosexual who blamed his struggles in life on irresponsible ghetto black kids fucking it up for him. He killed them as a result.

Wendy was a repressed homosexual who blamed her failure to succeed on irresponsible women fucking it up for her. She doesnt kill but she does verbally destroy the bartender at the end.

>wait a minute. that filter and colour gradient. ive seen this before..
zogged

is fagmount's gf in this

After seeing Stranger Things S3 and Mindhunter S2 I don't wanna see an early to late seventies/early eighties strip mall in a series for a long ass time after this.

Nope she literally is BTFOed from the series her hippie ass is gone. Probably would've metooed a producer in RL or something. Anna Torv is next hopefully lol.

This was really fucking annoying. Most of the season I didn't care because it wasn't really all that hamfisted and when the congregation at the church shouted down the mayor it went off to show the retarded sheep mentality people adopt in the times of crisis

But at the ending when they had caught Williams and the stupid hotel chick bitched at Holden for not investigating "dem wite peepo and da klan" even though they'd alread done that it really fucking irked me. Decent season regardless although the second half had way too much filler with the stupid politics getting in the way of Holden's plans all the time, not to mention all the boring shit involving Wendy and Bill's family.

Pretty sad that we didn't get any real interviews after Manson though. And even then that one along with the Son of Sam interview are the only real standout moments, compared to all the other great interviews in S1. Hopefully they'll step up their game in S3 with a more compelling case and better interviews than that half assed Smith/Wendy shit

whenever Wendy is on screen, I check out mentally. easily the least interesting character on the show.

I didn't mind anything else. season was great.

Even though Holden is pretty much autistic to relationships she was a massive cunt. She was mad at Holden for having no empathy but what about her? Glad the bitch left the series.

>ywn eat pizza with ed kemper

there was a dash of Kemper as well

I'm not sure, this show really doesn't need to go into the personnal life shit as much as s2 did,
there is enough material to focus on the killer interviews and the actual setting up of the unit,
to sum up i was bored 40% of the time watching

I agree but she did have some decent dynamics with Bill, Holden and Smith. With Gunn tho it makes her too uncomfortable. I did find the scene where she broke up with her girlfriend pretty funny too. Her gf was willing to make three people miserable Wendy, her son and ex-husband) just to prove a point that "she's free" so I'm glad she got told to shove it. With all the lesbian plot put in the season I'm surprised they kiboshed it like that.

And it was the best scene in the whole season
>You're basing your research only on killers who've been caught. Really makes you think Holden.

Pretty much a lot of us on Yea Forums were like that too but who knows, normies might've liked the relationship drama more?

I kinda liked the stuff with Bill honestly but it felt like when he was back in Atlanta it didn't really change him much so there was no character arc. I'll have to say it was a bit strange seeing Holden get over his anxiety almost instantly and going back to his cocky, "I'm smarter than everyone" self but he's still great. That new black agent from the Atlanta case was also fantastic

This desu, they didn't really do shit to expand Wendy's character other than what we already knew from her in S1 of "I'm a stuck up bitch who thinks she knows better than everyone and always has this holier than thou attitude". It seriously felt like her relationship shit was like seeing Holden's relationship bits from S1 but boring as fuck because A) she has nowhere near the amount of screentime to actually justify the need to devote so much time to her character and B) she remains the same and goes through no actual character arc after all is said and done. Same old personality and way of handling herself

it wouldn't be in the series if it didn't rate well with test audiences so somebody surely likes it

That sums up the scariest fact about serial killers though. No one knows for sure how many are out there, have existed or exist cause people disappear, die mysteriously all the fucking time and it's not like the police can do fuck all about it too. Basically the FBI BSU have pretty much been always ten steps back on the head start serial killers always have had.

Kemper really is the best character on the show funny enough. It was such comforting feeling getting to spend a few minutes with him again.

I thoroughly enjoy Bill Tench's not-so-subtle disdain for the main BSU group with all their bullshit and his fondness for Agent Barney and the Wichita Detective.

Did he do it?

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Does Kemper want to kill Holden?

nah it was the klan

who doesn't?

>BTK scene
>He acts like a cracked out moron and almost gets caught

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Yes, they found fibers on the boys that linked it to him but didn't have enough to convict, they didn't pursue it considering he was already in for life.
Klan murders were dwindling by the 80's, they used crime to try and control the black populace, if they were involved it would've been an open secret instead of people simply assuming it to be the case.

Well he likes to share a slice of pizza with the guy but he's mad that Holden takes the credit for every case he solves for him. So yeah maybe he'd bear hug him to death.

When it's nearly 30, all black, children I think it's reasonable for the people in the largely poor black community, who don't have access to all the evidence the police do, to think it's motivated by race. That's a bafflingly large amount of child murders to happen in such a short time frame and yet the police still had such a huge amount of trouble finding a suspect. Imagine if something on that level happened today.

Was he a fag?

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Yeah by that time the Klan was doing illicit activities like drug pushing and blacks were their clientele. Why'd they want to kill their consumers of their drug supply? They pretty much spell it out in the show. Which makes the mothers demanding justice against the Klan sound massively fucking retarded.

I AINT NO GODDAMN FAGMOUNT

No lie I had an uncle (in law no blood relation) who looked and acted like BTK down to a tee. Turns out he was abusing my aunt and cousins for years. Physically and sexually. Yup that's creepy as fuck. Surprised the RCMP haven't interviewed ol Uncle Jack yet about cold cases either.

>AYO WHITE BOY PULL OUTCHA DICK

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Classic Mindhunter

classic

Muh brotha had cancah

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I didn't know shit about the Atlanta child murders before this season (as I'm sure most outside of Georgia don't either) and I was super surprised when the body count got past 15 to 18 or so like WTF Atlanta that is fucking pathetic.

Lol I was afraid he might actually do it, he looked a bit confused like maybe he should?

I fapped to Anna Torv's feet that were shown a lot

Anyone else think the background noise in many scenes is too exaggerated and loud? I just started but I already noticed it quite a few times, as in the constantly ringing phones at the FBI bureau and loud shouting and noises during the interview of the possessed guy. Never had this complaint with any show before.

I was kinda surprised they dropped the nigger and faggot bombs this season to be honest, not sure how many times maybe only once but it was worth it.

it's truthful

Didn't notice them but they did show her neck a lot.
>inb4 based neckfag

NOH

I was too stoned on dude, lmao weed, but Anna torv's nips weren't shown when she was fingered, right?

Yeah they seem to really hype up the soundscape in this series. It might be a Fincher thing, like create disquiet in scenes by hamming up the background noise of mundane life.

No only neck up no torso shown

>wears women's clothes
>jerks off in a cheap doll mask
>autoerotic asphyxiation
>stalks women
>sleeps on the couch because his wife is ashamed of him

Is he, dare I say, /ourguy/?

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Don't forget
>listens to classical music while doodling his hentai fanart
So he's Yea Forums and /aco/
>gets into fights with autistic retards over a Xerox machine
So he's /g/ and Yea Forums too

>Which makes the mothers demanding justice against the Klan sound massively fucking retarded
I think that was the point, to show how in real life the handling of crime can get absolutely fucked because people will want to find their scapegoat no matter what. It's why justice systems are the only thing that really prevent us from becoming animals. If the mothers had their way they would've marched around town collecting all people they thought were klan or related to the klan and lynched them without so much as a fair trial, because in their mind they already "knew" who had conducted the murders. It also goes to show how fucked politics are because they get in the way of true justice; nobody actually cared about catching the right guy, they just wanted someone they could place the blame on and that could fit whatever narrative was best for their interests.

Police Academy guy

Wendy is mommy af, someone post lewds.

Did they show Williams earlier in the season at crime scenes? That'd be a cool detail to leave in if they did. I didn't spot him before his reveal though.

It was mostly fantastic apart from the Tench subplot, which many people have already pointed out. Wendy's personal life is meh but we had to stomach the same thing with Holden in S1.

Overall the quality was unchanged. Manson's scene was remarkable. I hope they ditch the Brian subplot if and when they do a S3.

Yup my sentiments exactly. If Fincher really wants to do five seasons I hope it doesn't get dragged down by relationship bullshit.

We didn't actually learn anything this season.
It was just Manson and Son of Sam in like two scenes.
Mostly it was just nigger faggotry and I'm not even American

I think the producers thought the Atlanta Child Murders would be a real gripping piece of crime history but it's literally forgotten by most blacks even for a reason. They tried making that case as interesting as possible but it just wasn't.

I don't think he was covering, he was just coping.

I didn't actually get this when I watched it. A lot of the other similarities between the killers and the main characters were much more bluntly hammered home.

it's like the ghetto scenes in The Wire where niggas are always hollering dumb shit and peddling drugs. I like it, it sounds realistic to have the prison be loud. But I use subtitles.

bingo

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THIS IS THE SAME ACTOR WHO PLAYED YOUN NED STARK IN GOT RIGHT?

>black people can also be serial killers but the evil white man doesnt care and same sex relationships can be equally challenging as normal ones the season with some BTK kino throw in
Netflix gonna Netflix

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