You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy

>You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy.

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what is the message here?

Imagine Kemper twisting this midget's head off in the prison showers

welcome to clown world

Is the show right. Was Manson a cuck?

False,it's just definition of crazy has changed.A modern man wouldn't last a week in madness of stone age.

There were no madmen in the stone age because there were no chemicals in the food and water.

What I took from the episode is that weather Charlie did brainwash those young people or not, what is undoubtedly true is he was an unbelievably charming, manipulative, and dangerous person. All this despite being the size of my grandmother. He could sing, write music, he could play guitar.He would sit in his cell 23 hours a day and think up hours of long speeches that he would over the years recite for interviews. He grew up in a juvenile prison and im sure you can imagine how horrible one would have been like in the south in the early 40. Charles was just a lost cause from the start man.

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Not funny

I just reach the kids you don't want

I mean, I've read a bunch of shit from eastern philosophy too. If I just spew it at women in a stream of consciousness can I have a harem too?

Bundy’s a rumpkin. Bundy’s a poop butt. Bundy’s his mama’s boy. Bundy’s out there trying to prove something to his own manhood — that’s got nothin’ to do with me. I don’t roll around with poop people like that.

>He would sit in his cell 23 hours a day and think up hours of long speeches that he would over the years recite for interviews.
I do this. Only I'm in my apartment... and nobody ever interviews me.

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Do you ever imagine going on the JRE?

Why does pop culture insist on portraying manson as some machiavellian evil villain with other worldly powers. He found a couple sad, desperate and crazy kids and convinced them to murder some people. What's the allure?

no, because you're a phony and people can sense it.

Yea Forums does a better job brainwashing kids than this little manlet cuckold ever did

i read the book and this is pretty much what I remember douglas making of manson

If you think you are crazy you aren’t. Fucking fags. Also dubs.

I mean, so was Charlie and he smashed mad puss

it takes a pretty special person to convince others to kill a person. he also snuffed out the flower power of the 60's and marked the beginnings of a grimier 70's

Yes user, everything was ether back then.

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this

i dislike minorities and women even though i had no problems with them before, and i like Republicans now

>it takes a pretty special person to convince others to kill a person
average joes do it on here everyday

This

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The kids in his cult weren't that crazy or desperate. It's not like they were from households where their parents raped them or subjected them to the worst kind of abuse.
I think they were just a product of peak 60s degeneracy. A lot of drugs can convince a normal person to do things he wouldn't normally get involved with.

dude his music and singing was fucking awful

that he got life in jail because Bugliosi managed to convince a jury that he was a wizard

Only while taking wet shits.

That he did it.
The story is just interesting, the crime is really brutal and theatrical.
He manipulated several people in to doing his own dirty work and to further his own plan. I think it does get overblown, it falls apart when you consider the drugs and how aimless the kids he controlled were since they were just looking to belong to something with others, but it makes a good story to tell. Which is all pop culture shit is usually, especially TV shows or documentaries. Trying to pull people in and get views and attention.

based

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>it falls apart when you consider the drugs and how aimless the kids he controlled were since they were just looking to belong to something with others
weird, most people dont find being convinced to murder people "simple"

there's also the bizarre pop culture angle where a Beatles song allegedly convinced him to try and start a race war in america where his group would rule the victorious black faction
dude was nuts

this is the room temp iq take. it was a mob/biker gang drug deal gone bad with govt involvement and charlie was the fall guy.

>how aimless the kids he controlled were since they were just looking to belong to something with others,

this. it's still the issue today. there are so many people that are desperate for a cause that they fall for insane shit. So they can make their mark on history.

Is Sam Hyde the modern day Charles Manson?

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you're a fucking retard if you actually believe that

the entire season was a criticism of shitty parenting. it's about 70 years too late for that though.

I never called it simple, did I?
But the user asked why pop culture makes him seem Machiavellian and having other worldly powers. Convincing them to commit the crimes for him can certainly make him look that way, but with them constantly taking drugs and I do agree that they're making his manipulation ability out to be more in that case than it really is. He wasn't convincing normal, well adjusted and sober adults to do this shit, it's not as impressive to convince stoners that there's someone hiding in the wall as it would be to convince a normal person of it.

legitimately terrifying

>lived and fucked 18 different women in the same house
>has multiple bastard children

He's the alphamanlet.

I did not say it was good.

You don't have to tell me twice, but during the stone age...

fincher is an old granpa, he doesn´t even know in which year he´s living

c'mon, lets just all agree that the beatles are reponsible for the manson murders

Appreciate the response, manson will continue to be overrated.

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>watch the S2 trailer
>kemper acting as if serial killers share a psychic link, like they're highlanders or something and know each others' powers

shit writing

plus the protag is woefully miscast

>everything is Satanism

What did he mean by this?

Based retard

The show peaked at Manson, reached nearly kino levels at the end of episode 7 and kind of fell apart at the end. This season just felt very scattered and unfocused, so much fucking filler too, every subplot was shit and poorly executed. Take away lesbian plot, Bill's son being a sociopath, holden and black hotel girl.... nothing of value would be lost.

6.5/10 season

Alright lads, give me the real deal redpill on Manson. He had his senpai murder Sharon Tate who was the wife of Jewish pedophile Roman Polanski and was also friends with The Beach Boys so whats the story.

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CIA connected/mk ultra/false flag

Was the murder a false flag? For what purpose?

you joking? the kids he manipulated were fucking retarded and psychotic. literally none of them were normal, well balanced people

Marketing companies studied this man and now uses his tricks to sell you garbage, from products to political candidates.

To give you a boogeyman

You aren't a serial killer or cult leader yet

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But he had charisma in spades. You're a boring piece of shit

so everything is shit apart from serial killer dialogue?

sounds like S1 which i ended up rw'ing to kemper scenes

FBI. This one's next

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He was in the right place at the right time. In the 60's being a long haired skinny manlet spouting bullshit philosophy was cool. He would have been laughed out of every room in any other decade. Christ the hippies were fucking retarded

youtube.com/watch?v=XREnvJRkif0

Would he have converted Cliff if they met?

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literal embodiment of Napoleon

youtube.com/watch?v=IehtMYlOuIk
I'd like to see Holden interviewing this fella

This but the opposite.

how much screen time does he get?

This guy is a so fucking crazy there's no way he would ever say something this coherent. He was a retard who thought "Helter Skelter" was code for a race war when it's really just a children's slide.

youtube.com/watch?v=xR7el3SNEX4

Trannies ruin society.

No, he's just a pudgy autist.

Kemper seemed like a cool guy

his dialogue in mind hunter was a transcription of a goddamn tape recording.

manson regularly goes from coherent to incoherent and has embodied literally every personality type humanly possible over the course of his incarceration.

read a book you nigger. holy fuck you're dumb.

That’s the Bugliosi take on it, not necessarily what actually happened.

As long as he likes you

If you're not a co-ed.

No, cliff isn’t a cuck

>The same guy who played Manson in this played Manson in Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
>6 hour makeup and prosthetic application for Mindhunter
Based Dewey Crowe.

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He was friends with Dennis Wilson who beat the shit out of him after he threatened to hurt his daughter

Obviously they're going to continue to follow BTK and his crimes but will they focus on one serial killer for an overall arc next season? Same way they focused on the Atlanta Child Murders for S2. Any good guesses for a series of crimes to follow for S3?

people want to believe theres a deeper meaning than him being crazy and manipulative

When you get to the bottom you go back to the top

Richard Ramirez was on the loose during the mid 80's and caught. EAR/ONS was also in the area at that time

Imagine what Manson could do with Dr. Wendy Carr, some acid meth and cocaine.

It frankly makes me diamonds.

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He didn't do nothing man, he was just a prophet who saw the lies before anyone else could cause they were blind man.

Having charisma still makes you a phony, dipshit.

Cosmopolitan did an article on him to make him seem like a creep to SJWs but his mother was a massive abusive cunt to him so he just had an unhealthy grudge against women. But he was very intelligent however and it's a shame what came of him.

>Marketing companies studied this man and now uses his tricks to sell you garbage, from products to political candidates.
Do you have a single snuck to chew it up?

I like the brains/brawn combo he brings to the serial killer table. He feels like a Batman villain honestly.

Goddamn Mindhunter nailed him down so well. The interviews with the killers are the best things about the show and this was a great highlight.

This season was good but I want more that stupid nigger took up way too much screen time. We gotta wait like 2 years for season 3 now huh.

it's all copied from audio recordings of actual interviews, would be hard to fuck up imo

Based and honk pilled.

Yeah but that even shows they took great care to make sure they nailed him well. Kudos to the actor and director for that.

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holy shit

It's getting harder to remember a time when reaction image memes weren't mostly just shitty pepe and wojak edits.

No but was a seething manlet

Id like to think lsd open them up to suggestions

Now I wonder if Zac Efron would come to Mindhunter to play Bundy again

I've never seen an user more succinctly blown the fuck out before.

You don't think Daniel Tosh would make a good FBI agent?

Holy fuck that'd be epic. He'd probably be pretty down to do it too.

Holy fuck that likeness is uncanny.

just like you

It's like my mother always says, "too many niggers in this show, is there something else on?"

I thought the scene would suck but he really did a great job of it. He's also the same guy in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood too.

Well they are in Atlanta for like half the show. Hell since it's Atlanta there's a lot of nigger faggots to be expected.

>You know, a long time ago being autistic meant something. Nowadays everybody's autistic.

>Oh, and one more thing fellas. Manson is a manlet. Like, the king of manlets. Be sure to call him a fucking midget.
classic kemper

>Charlie did brainwash those young people or not, what is undoubtedly true is he was an unbelievably charming, manipulative, and dangerous person

Charlie Manson was an uninteresting edgelord boomer who didn't have the balls to kill anyone himself. And all the hippies he "charmed" were ugly, stupid, strung out boomers with delusions of self importance. Literally anyone reading this could have a cult tomorrow if you dropped all your standards and made ugly idiots feel like intelligent supermodels. I'm not exaggerating either: any one of you could, if you wanted, gather a group of deranged ugly antifa weirdos and within months have them living on a compound with you ready to go kill anyone you told them to.

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Lol. It's also funny how a crazy/exceptional guy can be like "yeah that guy is fucked". Such a great trope.

>A modern man wouldn't last a week in madness of stone age.
A modern man would actually destroy all of the other men from the stone age solely from all the illnesses he has.

Based as fuck amerikkka still glorifying serial killers

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I always fast forward on all private shit and other filler material. But the interviews are great. Manson was a lot of truth and wit. But to me the best entertainment was the simpleton who spoke seven languages. That was just comedy genius.

As the show correctly analyses, Manson was just a sacrificial lamb for the hypocrtical bourgeoisie. A way to rationalize how middle class nice kids and christians could slaughter people.
He did not want to loose control or perceived dominance so he went along.

Manson was the Epstein of his time. A Hollywood, politician pimp/ drug dealer. He said Tate and the rest deserved what happens because they wer kiddy diddlers.

>what if Heath Ledger was still alive

I watched his Cold Case episode from 2008 on tv the same day I watched him in Mindhunter and in Once Upon a Time and had no idea they were the same person

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Remember season one when interviews lasted longer than five minutes,
Those were the days.

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why is holden more autistic this season, i agree with whoever said he was miscast

Imagine if he somehow got in to politics and got elected as president, or imagine if he started a political movement or some shit. It would be absolute madness

What was the point with the anxiety plot? It lead nowhere

so whats the consensus on s2?

since even reviewers hated holdens romance sideplot in seaosn 1 they probably needed somehting else for him. im actually glad they gave him the shivers instead of some shit romance like they did with carr this time. the lesbian plot was unbearable and also led to nothing.

>>kemper acting as if serial killers share a psychic link, like they're highlanders or something and know each others' powers
Some of them actually have beliefs close to that. Regular narcissist, psychopaths and borderlines are also exceptionally well at detecting others with that kind of personality disorders

difference is zac is terrible at acting

>Regular narcissist, psychopaths and borderlines are also exceptionally well at detecting others with that kind of personality disorders
where did you hear that

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hour makeup and prosthetic application for Mindhunter
would have been an hour less if they didn't have to cover his "heil hitler" tattoo.

Just came here to say the Zodiac killer was 3 army guys and not just one!

The fat beta with the Zodiac watch killed most of them, while the other fat one did the other and the weird basement guy wrote the letters.

The basement guy was probably also always present at the murders to record them as snuff films which they probably all watched together in some gay way.

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>would have been an hour less if they didn't have to cover his "heil hitler" tattoo.
Proof?
Never heard about Mansons Heil Hitler tattoo.

Is it me or did the season really end poorly? There was no closure... nothing, it almost felt unfinished.

yup, that's exactly how the real Atlanta murder case was resolved
It's artistic bro lmao

>shut up you fucking midget

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>dude his music and singing was fucking based m.youtube.com/watch?v=lALvC5__kf8
That's better!

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I got turned off from the season due to the sheer amount of niggers.

Well Georgia is filled with them, so it wasn't Netflix propaganda.
I just got very bored of the Lesbo and Autistic kid shit, and that angry female melanin being.
She got help, and all she did was being a cunt.

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It ended with some tranny in denial strangling himself while masturbating. Seems pretty great. His wife was such a qt too.

Oh my god they are grotesque

She got burned too often by authorities too have any hope in them. They even mentioned how no one interviewed the people near where one boy disappeared.

nice

youtube.com/watch?v=mpx4ODP35VQ

yeah he went too hard too soon. He could have been something way bigger.

He tried, from prison. Called ATWA, it was an eco terrorism movement. Didn't gain too much of a following.

>arrest a little charming guy
>put him in solitary for months/years on end
>wheel him out for interviews
>"see? he's a fucking nutcase! omg so crazy how did he seduce all those women!?"

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>give drugs to kids and tell them to do shit
>HE'S A FUCKING MASTERMIND, 90000 IQ

Are Americans fucking retarded or something?

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in the interview with Ron Reagan Jr. he hears this song and completely transforms into a normal human

but my favorite song is youtube.com/watch?v=D1MmHGoKq1Y

Can anyone EXPLAIN why the lesbian couple broke up?

Bartender chick hated Wendy because Wendy wanted her to move in, not because of the relationship, but because she wanted to use the unoccupied room in her apartment. She also wanted to separate relationship and work (not bringing her to the party, coming out of the closet, etc)

But what about the bartender? Her ex-husband came over to drop off the kid and ask her what she's doing with her life. She lied and said she'll get a new permanent job soon, and that pissed off Wendy and made them break up.

WHY? I don't understand. What went so wrong?

they're good at detecting suckers, which excludes psychopaths like themselves, so it's like detecting the absence of psychopathy

read Hare's Without Conscience

test

he said he fucked Nancy Sinatra in Elvis' house
but he was crazy so we'll never know how much of his rambling was a complete LSD/Schizo fabrication or seedy gossip

MIDGE

boy you're retarded

Is Charlie the original gamer?

The bartender was a dumb old whore who thought leaving her family and working an awful job while having zero prospects meant she was a "free spirit" or some shit.

This guy is the only one that sees the full potential. I will masturbate to this idea now.

I work in the CDCR. Story goes that Manson almost talked his way out of prison one time. He made it all the way to the gate where the last guard decided to double check if Manson was really getting out that day (because he hadn’t heard anything about that) and it turned out that he has talked his way past 3 other correctional officers from his cell door all the way to the exit gate.

Corcoran state prison I think it was.

He definitely had a bit of the shine in him. Maybe that last guard had some too.

>he also snuffed out the flower power of the 60's and marked the beginnings of a grimier 70's
Based Charlie, killer of Hippy faggotry.

Since this is the new mindhunters thread

How would you categorize someone like the chess board killer
Like all of his background was generally normal until he got hit in the head and it fucked up his aggression impulses

How do you categorize act of God events for pre planned detection of killers?

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>woman does nothing with her life is not a good girlfriend/long term material

But that's most women. In fact, Bill's wife is exactly that. Except she's a terrible stay at home mom. Can't even take care of kid by herself for a few hours a day, since the autistic serial killer kid spends 2/3 of the day at school or sleeping.

>pre planned detection of killers
those prediction checklists are garbage
AUC 0.51 at best upon replication (slightly better than flipping a coin)
useless in court too. you need a dead body and clear evidence to do anything, so why bother with actuarial tables?

>woman does nothing with her life is not a good girlfriend/long term material
Exactly. Only idiots would think otherwise. And you user...well

L.Ron Hubbard and Dale Carnagie. The power is inside YOU

I´ve watched some of season 1 and most of this season and I have 0 idea what people are getting out of this. The Fincher eps are sorta good but don´t make up for the bland writing, the rest is a stale slog with no tension or interesting scenes, save for the interrogation scene in the car in ep 2 and the Manson scene. Please explain what makes this show good

>3 guards didn’t check if fucking Charles Manson was being released and just let him go
What the fuck American correctional system, why are you hiring middle school dropouts?

This series taught me how fucking easy it was to be a serial killer during the 70s

>why are you hiring middle school dropouts?
because it pays 27k a year

he was CIA and flat out admitted it in coded language in interviews

youtube.com/watch?v=kAEVK_L2K4I

A woman's job is to raise kids.

he convinced them he had clearance for garbage duty not that he was getting out

he wasn't the epstein of his time. He was way more low level then that and only one of many suppliers of underage girls to the entertainment industry.

Also he didn't say sharon tate was a kiddy diddler. He was talking about other victims. He said that sharon tate was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Kirby theme song would be a perfect fit for this

Susan Atkins drank Sharon Tate's blood and got a high off of it and this was discussed in court. But adrenochrome totally doesn't exist guise

he was the leader of a bunch of fucked up dropout street kids, got torched in his cell because his guitar playing was so annoying

> I'm not exaggerating either: any one of you could, if you wanted, gather a group of deranged ugly antifa weirdos and within months have them living on a compound with you ready to go kill anyone you told them to.

Can we just be honest and admit that lots of shit like the Manson Family goes onto this very day? How many young adults are just wasting prime years of their lives on speed and heroin, and then commit horrid acts because they've become brainaddled fuck ups?

Really now the only thing that sets Manson apart and made him embodiment of pure evil in Americana was because he murdered a perfect Aryan Specimen. Hell no one even cares that they killed the gay hairdresser. If Charlie had just said kill some family who looked at him the wrong way there would have never been a media frenzy.

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she said it was prison bragging to her cellmate and retracted the claim
The whole case was built on her blabbing, letting her lawyers write a book of her confession, and then half-hearted retraction
>sexy sadie, what have you done, you made a fool of everyone

>If Charlie had just said kill some family who looked at him the wrong way there would have never been a media frenzy.

-lawyers wanted to write books (Atkin's lawyers and Bugliosi) so they needed to exaggerate with brainwashing and cult titillation
-press wanted to sell newspapers so they warned people about the dangers of their children being brainwashed into killing, and told readers what kind of underwear Tate was wearing when she was butchered
-Hollywood producers re-released Tate's movies in theaters after she died to cash in

lawyers, journalists, and Hollywood producers. hmmmm.

i liked how Bill's son being a sociopath has impact on his work, for example how he deals with his team's understanding of Elmer Wayne Henley

Honestly I think most people got hooked with the Kemper interviews in season one and that's why they watched and were hoping for more kino moments in season 2 with Manson, but we got shit

>Dewey Crowe
Such an incredible actor, I'm still pissed about Quarry.

>dis case
>dem keedz

kek, i kept thinking the same thing

Son of Sam interview was better

still, shitting on the one guy who helped you doesnt get you anywhere

women

every Bill scene was kino, everything else mostly dogshit especially dyke parts

>rolahn
>dem duracell keedz

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i like it. someone get Paul Avery

Charles manlet

I hope Cliff does meet him in the extended cut and beats the shit out of him.

The ultimate red pill is that Manson did nothing wrong

i have an uncle that looks and talks like an older version of charles manson. you can't leave any valuables around uncle joe.

>FUCK YOU YOU MIDGET
Based Tench

Based uncle Joe

That we live in a society

Any books/movies about "freeing yourself" the way Charles Manson talked about in this scene?

>Holden creaming his pants over Manson
>Manson stares at him, Holden is terrified
If Bill hadn't been there Manson would have made Holden join his cult

SIEGE

True, he even got an autograph and gave Manson his sunglasses.

God this scene was cringe
I could just imagine how Reddit the writers we're when planning this scene

>Man this is Manson we have to make him E.P.I.C

Have you ever seen any real Manson interviews?
He behaved like that.

And Tench calling him a midged was gold!

I'm just glad they didn't milk it and they got it out of the way

Apocalypse Now. Kurtz says basically the same thing
>Have you ever considered any real freedoms? Freedoms from the opinion of others... even the opinions of yourself

>defending manson over a fellow based user
frick you

Here is my favorite Manson moment

youtu.be/2bnSUiF3yJs