Is it just me or was this guy's behavior a little over the top?

Is it just me or was this guy's behavior a little over the top?

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I mean I'm detecting the sarcasm but for real though. As awesome and uncomfortably tense as the film was I didnt believe for a second that anybody in their right mind regardless of their ambitions would take oma fraction of the shit that Simmons' character was dishing out. Constantly pulled me out of the film when all I could think of at scenes like the bar scene or the chair throwing/face slapping "not my tempo" scene is that I would absolutely start throwing hands with the sociopathic fuck

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this movie was just not my tempo. too much damn screaming

no. my hs band teacher was just like fletcher, sans the chair throwing and cursing. just a really intense dude, shouting all the time and liked playing sadistic mind games.

And why did nobody in class snitch on him? Having an attitude like that as a teacher seems incredibly risky, literally any student can complain to the principal and there goes your job.

these question are the same ones levelled at all abuse scenarios

>why didn't you just report it
>why didn't you just walk out the room

a lot of music teachers are too intense because they're more musician than teacher . they don't understand how people can't pick it up like they do. so while those ordinary class teachers would get unreasonably impatient it makes sense that a musician at an elite school would go 'over the top' with their anger

Except in this scenario your livelihood doesn't depend on the abuser. It is he who depends on your cooperation. I just don't see why anyone would sit there and take it for something as low-stakes as music class.

I think he cross the line when he tattooed a swastika on his cellie's ass before raping him for a year.

it would be easy to just walk out and report it to the police if the scenario was just a music lesson, football training, confession or camping with the boy scouts.

that's just the surface level though. what's really happening is Miles teller 's character is being sweet talked by everything surrounding the abuse like the teacher's persona, his success . in fact seeing him in the club at the end is sad because he's still not seeing the situation for what it was as it's clouded by the sexy and sophisticated atmosphere of the club scene and the music.

power is only exercised over free subjects.

a master slave relationship isn't a power dynamic. it's just force like manoeuvring an inanimate object

but manipulating an autonomous individual who can make choices especially in a way that leaves them feeling like the decision was their own? that's a power play.

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Well, yes, obviously Andrew was fooled into thinking Fletcher was actually just a good guy that's a little harsh because he wants what's best for him, and so on (which is why the club scene is clever in that it tricks a less observant viewer into thinking the same, and that Fletcher is going to be redeemed at the end, only to have the rug pulled out from under them). But I do find it odd that someone else who is less invested in music than Andrew, like the Mars bar guy, would not have reported the abuse after having dropped the class. Especially since Andrew actually got Fletcher fired by doing exactly that.

but did it work?

some people behave like that, i had a teacher in highschool who acts like fletcher

everyone in my class plans to gang up on him but good thing he got fired few days before we beat the shit out of him

What exactly would the followup to that plan have been? He'd have known who everyone was and could have gotten you in trouble.

Nigger you don't understand the psychological economy being played here. Simmons is an accepted master at his craft; less-than exemplary performance is a waste of his time and talent. Want to start a fistfight with someone who a) clearly welcomes physical combat, b) has your musical career by the balls and c) is probably right about the tempo?

He wasn't right though. Normies don't pick up on it because it's not explicitly stated in the dialogue but Andrew tested Fletcher's bullshit during the rushing or dragging scene by not changing his tempo, and lo and behold Fletcher said he was rushing instead of dragging. Nothing was wrong with his tempo, Fletcher was just being a sociopath and trying to intimidate Andrew into submission.

What did he say at the end?

I started crying during this scene because Simmons was extremely similar to my dad except he wanted me to be good at sports rather than music.

cope

Nope

Did it work?

Clearly know nothing about the military

Oh yeah like in Full Metal Jacket where the guy who spent half the movie bullying his trainees fittingly gets shot dead by one of them. This shit doesn't work.

No I was always horrible at sports. It just made me into a timid coward who's terrified of authority

Andrew wasn't testing Fletcher, he was clueless to what Fletcher wanted because he couldn't tell the difference. He thinks Fletcher can tell. Fletcher is purely doing it to embarrass him and assert dominance, showing him how fickle his position is in the band

I've seen worse, having actually served.

>your livelihood doesn't depend on the abuser
For Andrew, it kinda does. He sees that only Fletcher is capable of making him a better drummer. Only Fletcher can push him to become truly great.

Me too but it was my brother. Now I'm a khv too afraid to have a talk with a woman. I'm good at football (soccer) but not good enought. Failed at football and now failed in college caused me depression. Since 2015, the year I left football I'm not the same. I don't have friends anymore, I'm not hang out and I'm watching films and series all day. I'm totally lost and I'm not going to kill myself because I don't want to disappoint my family again.

Is Whiplash really considered to be that hard a song to play? It didn't seem that complicated.

>good job

>DUDE JUST WAGESLAVE FOR THE AUDIENCE LMAO
Band performances, magic tricks, dancing, and singing are the most cuckiest professions out there. Change my mind

There is a difference in being able to 'play' a piece of music and being able to play it like you are a musician worth listening to. That is much of what music school is about. There are plenty of musicians who can skate by and be mediocre or "pretty good" in playing all sorts of tunes including difficult tunes. It's only impressive if you actually are a top player who can slay in all pieces of music. That is partly what this movie is getting at.

Same way it's not too difficult to play a Beethoven piece but if you're settling with playing it just okay, then you're doing it wrong.

Isn't that kind of like saying "go fuck yourself" since he just said earlier that good job is the most damaging words a musician could hear? Why would Andrew smile at that?

>nigga you didn't get it
It's not hard to understand, it has a pretty strsightforward theme and doesn't really have anything interesting to say about being the best at something aside from shit everyone knows already ("it's hard" and "you need drive to get to the top" and "people at the top tend to be pretty fucked in the head by normal standards in order to be at the top")
It's also genuinely just over-acted and pretty dumb (the kid walked off a fucking car accident at one point even) and would've benefitted from being a bit more subtle

FUCK OFF JOHNNY UTAH TURN MY PAGES BITCH

You could feel that it was directed by a seething nerd in the scene where the family was talking about getting a career in sports vs getting a career in music.

Ok well at least you're self aware about it. You're not completely fucked.

It's not like Damien Chazelle tried to hide it, he straight up admitted that the movie was based on his own experiences in music school.

Very overrated film. Only good thing about it was the camera work
Shitty acting, too long, cliche as fuck and the whole gf part was ridiculous
4/10 at best

No. I've had a music teacher just like him. He was seen as this genius therefore he could get away with anything. He once slammed a piano shut on my hands as I was playing.

Overrated as shit, seriously this kid had no other option for his career other than getting bullied and cucked by a psycho?

How come Mr Fantastic didn't like, just start his own band and get chicks and become famous? He was obviously already a good drummer. It's not like this jazz conservatory is the only authority of music or something.

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I honestly feel like the car crash scene was only in there to make the movie more 'exciting' for retards

fpbp, this movie is good but simmons character is a meme and every time this line of thought comes up a bunch of band nerds like to pretend that their band teacher in hs was flagellating them or something
>m-my teacher got mad at us once for not listening, just like the movie!

Don't you think that would disappoint them you moron

Yeah it came off as pornographic to me. Kind of like John Wick, like yeah it's low hanging fruit, obviously you'll hit the mark but people want it

Wow I never noticed that I must have seen it 5 times. Mind= blown.

The teacher was clearly trying to break him, he tricks him many times just to put him in weird positiond.
For instance when he tells him he's talented and doesn't need to study just to destroy him right after.
When he picks the other guys or when he steals the partition. All of this is just put him into a relationship ruled by punishment/reward to establish a master/pet relationship.
Basically teacher is a psycho

That guy was a real jerk

It's true that music teachers tend to be more intense than any other sort of teacher.

>i wouldnt be able to name drop the school i went to
americanized brain thinking only what is famous is relevant

Thanks, Norm.

Entertaining movie, but sacrifices realism in favor of it. It's not possible to be a Fletcher and keep your job for longer than a few months at best in the first world ever since like the late 20th century. People more respected than him have gotten cancelled over minor shit in comparison. Everyone who responds "my teacher was a total Fletcher though" is completely biased in their personal experience because teach got mad at them once and it was really scary :(

It was a military training. That's why this movie is so good.

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