For me, it's historical kino

have sex incel

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[*eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee intensifies*]

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Source?

that girl is a massive slut btw

Ogrish was my go-to back then.

I wish I could fucking strangle you goddamn redditors throwing the word 'kino' around, it's not funny and it has already lost all its meaning. What does 'kino's means in this context? Do you even know? Shit, I wish I could murder your whole family, burn them alive while making you watch. Fucking bitch.

imagine being a filthy slav(e)
what an awful existence

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>firing a rifle grenade from the shoulder
What an absolute chad.

she's my wife so i fail to see how that's possible

seething nazoid

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>that kid quickly removing his own hat so it doesn't get slapped off his head

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Where are the webms from bros

anything better than commiekike alchoholic

Dem flamethrowers

Those look like ordinary civilian graves not "nazi" graves

the western front was mostly american chads killing nazi scum in badass ways

some brits and other nobodies came along so diversity quotas were filled

>thinking that desecrating the graves of soldiers is bad
>nazi sympathiser
okay commie

Makes me wonder how the Western Allies would have fared against the Wehrmacht if the Nazis had never attacked the Soviet Union and the Anglo-American armies had had to fight the other 80% of the German army.

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Elaborate

I thought stalin was gonna attack first that's why Hitler started barbarossa

Probably wouldn't even have gotten to that then, since the soviets, un-assmangeled by barbarossa, would attack with a huge advantage relative to our timeline.

*snort*

>invading your ancestral homeland and butchering its citizens just so they central banks can expand their power
truly this is the Greatest Generation™

Unlikely, Stalin believed in communism in one country and thought it was better to let fascists fight capitalists.

What are some movies that give off the vibe of this webm

>germans declare war on you
>"wtf why are you attacking?!"

hahaha

80 years later his schnozzle is still frightening children.

He actually was going to attack eventually, just not for many more years. Stalin was just as neurotic as Hitler in some ways.

Truman literally started attacking german shipping in the atlantic long before war was declared dimwit

They called it "methods short of war" (an euphemism for piracy/low key warfare basically), look it up

>Truman literally started attacking german shipping in the atlantic long before war was declared dimwit
Actually according to German naval records it was U-boats that attacked American merchant ships first.

But nice try.

Good goyim! kill yourselves and let us Jews run things. Idiots. You deserve death (I feel bad for death). Hahahahaha

faked records by the deep state kikes you mean

>conspiracy nonsense
Haha, I accept your concession

White people deserve not only to be the global minority, but minorities in their own countries. They are a weak race of mindless consumer cattle. But they do have the tastiest foreskins, that's why we keep 'em around.

Wasn't that by mistake or something? Also that doesn't really refute what he said.

>mistake
nope, the Germans surfaced to attack some of the ships

>doesn't refute
??? The Germans sunk American ships first. Then FRD (not Truman) authorized US Navy ships to sink German ships in return. What are you talking about?

>Then FRD (not Truman) authorized US Navy ships to sink German ships in return.
Yeah before war was declared.

... Yes, because German Uboats had attacked American ships first.

What aren't you getting?

are you retarded?

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So why shouldn't Germany declare war against them?
Are you?

>So why shouldn't Germany declare war against them?

... Why shouldn't the Germans declare war after attacking American ships first? You tell me, brainlet.

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more webms of american tanks?

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im a wehraboo but the Sherman its just too cute and iconic

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>Truman literally started attacking german shipping in the atlantic long before war was declared dimwit
Before Truman was president?

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Because they employed unrestricted submarine warfare? Do you not understand the difference between attacking cargo ships and military ships?
Yeah dude the US is totally innocent and uninvolved in WW2 prior to Germany declaring war.

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>Because they employed unrestricted submarine warfare?
But they declare war anyway. No wonder Hitler lost, he was too retarded.

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>But they declare war anyway.
Why wouldn't they when the US was already attacking them?

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Yeah, he smashed your grandmas cunt too, LOL. Called him daddy

theguardian.com/books/2002/may/01/news.features11

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They had already been attacking the US first without declaring war.

So why declare war when the US fights back?

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Would likely end the same way only it would take longer, especially since America alone beats Germany in both manpower and resources.

Do you really need an explanation of unrestricted submarine warfare and the difference between attacking cargo or military ships?

FOR ME, much interesting than actual 'world' war events I & II, is the 1870 to 1914 timespan that really lays out the conditions of possibility for two such events.

Austria had mobilized three times before the assassination of the arch duke; fourth was fatal; there had been 2-3 wars in Balkans before 'world' war had nominally started.

>Truman
No wonder you think krauts were good, your a historylet

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Germany, unlike United States, did not side with Communists. That alone makes Germany better than 'allied' forces.

>Do you really need an explanation of unrestricted submarine warfare and the difference between attacking cargo or military ships?
Do you?

In your head was the US Navy supposed to not respond to the Germans sinking their merchant ships? Are you actually retarded?

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>loses
>better than anyone
kek

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>i fought in ww1

Weak beta cuck

>I fought in ww2

Numale soi boy

>i fought in Vietnam

Alpha male chad mode

>i fought in afganistan

Literally redit onions boy

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Except when they divided Poland, or when Hitler agreed the Baltic countries were Stalin's clay. Also if your going to say it was temporary, I could say the same with the US Soviet alliance since it was due to both of them having a mutual enemy. Maybe actually research WW2 instead of looking at memes.

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French used to be based

Don't be obtuse. We're talking about neutrality here and the neutral option would have been to cease shipping outside of Americas coast or to protect their shipping.

>bounces back and destroys the plane
WITH NO SURVIVORS

>NOOOOOOO YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO GET AWAY WITH GENOCIDE!!!!!

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> 'it was temporary'
Nothing was temporary about US supporting Communists, it happened again in China where they abandoned support for nationalists and sided with USSR to support Communist party.

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Speaking about historical Kino, what did you guys think about Apocalypto, the Mel Gibson movie. I feel its aged well (minus the ending) and the overall direction was superb.

>the neutral option would have been to cease shipping outside of Americas coast
This has to be a bloody joke. "Oh hey you're attacking our ships even though we're not at war with you and in our own fucking waters. We'll just stop trading now."
haha retard

>or to protect their shipping.
And that's what they did. And Germany declared war and lost. So get over it, ok? Little obtuse kid.

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liveleak

What are you even arguing at this point?
America and the allies turned a blind eye to communism to fight the axis.

There was no blind eye.
The pattern is clearly visible.
US is a Communist country.

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Great movie but not very accurate as far as I know.

>i-i-it wasn't temporary, just ignore the fact they armed the nationalists and sent them cash
>also ignore the proxie wars
You really are retarted

I feel like that would vibrate to cockpit like a motherfucker

will they ever make kinos about American bombers smashing the Nazis flat again?

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>Absolutely rampart capitalism which fucked the World during the GFC
>Won the Cold war
>Communist because there's fags and kikes
ok buddy

> Armed the nationalists
> Send them cash
I urge you to read the Congressional documents related to these 'weapons', it will make you kek. Truman himself put up an executive order denying any weapons deliveries to China which could be used to fight their civil war (and this hurt tremendously the nationalists, as Truman and everyone knew Commies were getting theirs from USSR)

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>destroy american merchant ships
>surely they will not retaliate
>get BTFO and have to kill myself

fuck nazis

> Capitalism fucked the world during the GFC
Do I need anymore proof, that US is a Communist country, when this is the (a)historical consensus about causes and effects of GFC (in that the socialists managed to flip the guilt to other side).

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>McCarthy wants to: know your location

Read Anatoliy Golitsyn

>our own fucking waters
Now you're genuinly being retarded.

>And that's what they did.
No they attacked German u-boats when they weren't engaging with American shipping.

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There were rumors about the next Spielberg produced WW2 HBO series that focused on the air force

footstepsresearch.org/2018/12/what-we-know-hbos-masters-of-the-air/

for me, it's kamikaze footage

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>Now you're genuinly being retarded.
I'm not surprised you're an utter retard who doesn't think American ships were sunk in their own waters.

>they attacked German u-boats when they weren't engaging with American shipping.
*AFTER* German u-boats had already begun attacking US merchant ships. As we've established and you haven't disagreed with.

You're an obtuse little cuck, aren't you?

I got some of that too user.

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>the shameless kraut cock gobbler in this thread
I guarantee he's an American.

i saw this one clip of a Japanese pilot being shot down so close to the ship he was going to crash into, and there's footage of the plane falling into the water with the pilot a few feet behind it falling into the water too, right next to the ship, absolute kino

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>American ships were sunk in their own waters
Yeah after they declared war for sure. Why don't you go ahead and define "their own waters" in a more concrete way, I don't think you actually know what this menas.

And you're still being retarded about what unrestricted submarine warfare means.

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These bombs are the direct inspiration for pic related.

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>Bush's grandfather and Trump's dad are well known fascist sympathizers

>fast forward today their families become political titans

>hurr da pattern is gommunist US!

sure thing mr CIA. racewar now!

He's probably some mutt who's 1/56th German on his stepfather's side.

>Yeah after they declared war for sure
You literally don't even know. You don't argue against the fact the U-Boats were sinking US ships first, but you don't even know what ships and yet try to argue *where* they were sunk.

I haven't seen someone this retarded here in a while. This is actually impressive stupidity on your part. How the fuck do you think you can argue where they were sunk if you don't even argue they weren't attacked first or what bloody specific ships we're discussing in the first place?

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Sauce?

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Carriers are kind of stupid
>herp derp lets land a bunch of aircraft on a ship
nigga just build submarines

You just know.

A little hungry there, Fisherman user?

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you're kind of stupid.

Looks legit

That 2nd guy with no wheels down did a pretty good job.

I'm not the guy arguing the the US was neutral prior to Germany declaring war.

it's just a paste box bro
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> -Boats were sinking US ships first
American ships got sunk because they were giving materiel support for countries with which Germany was at war with. Any German raider or submarine Americans found in Atlantic would get also reported to British Navy.

US was informally at war, while FDR was wrangling Congress and American people to formally support.

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Carriers made perfect sense before missiles. You need to bring explosives to the enemy somehow and planes did the job objectively better than submarines/torpedo ships/classic dreadnoughts. You really can't do better during that time period and even several decades afterwards when missile guidance systems were still in their infancy.
In the modern world though the carrier is outdated we just haven't had a war to prove it to everyone yet.

The aggressive foreign policy of Nazi Germany and they inherent militarism of their ideology made war with the western allies inevitable. The concept of Lebensraum alone would've led to war. After Hitler continued to break his word the land grab in Poland was the last straw and resulted in the Allies going to war against Germany. America was closely allied with democratic France and Britain at the time it's simply a consequence of these close ties that America ended up providing material support. Had Germany pursued a more sensible foreign policy this wouldn't have happened however it is my belief their ideology which such tensions inevitable. Germany antagonized all of America's closest European allies don't you see the diplomatic repercussions of this?

Who's your favorite WW2 absolute madman?

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> The aggressive foreign policy of Nazi Germany
Yes,

... as opposed to friendly and defensive foreign policy of 'allied' forces bombing Europe to Big Gay and Democracy, and then fracturing it with VT (but these are the Good Guys), and after 20 years of preparation, installing Communism over half of Europe.

Battleship Kino shall return lads

how in the everloving fuck could you blame socialism for the rise in predatory subprime mortgage lending and the sale of their debt to barely regulated investment banks and hedge funds who engaged in rampant moral hazard with those low-quality bonds on the secondary market

it was peak capitalism my dude

>war with France, Britain and the the US was inevitable because the Germans wanted to expand east
Something doesn't add up here,

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I need no further proof of the complete epistemic and ontological surrender at work here, than the post in itself.

>as opposed to friendly and defensive foreign policy of 'allied' forces bombing Europe to Big Gay and Democracy,
That wasn't foreign policy brainlet that's wartime strategy. I'm referring to the aggressive foreign policy of Nazi Germany pre-WW2 which alienated the western allies of the U.S and facilitated the material support you're referring to. These things don't happen in a vacuum. Also as a side note strategic bombing of city centers was first used by Germany so they can't exactly cry foul when it's done to them. Sow the wind reap the whirlwind etc.

>Hitler wanted to exterminate this

wow what a fag.

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Yes, installing communism was the endgame, just like all the work we did in south america :)

>i have no argument

rad

can't even humor me buddy?

Arms race was the key to this war and whoever had the first successfully completed nuke would've won.

Them wanting to expand East was not the sole thing that led to war with the Allies. It was Germany being deceitful and repeatedly breaking their word. It was a slow escalation that lead to war being declared. First the remilitirization of the Rhineland (which the Allies generally had no issue with), then Anschluss, then the Sudetenland (which Hitler promised was his last territorial demand in Europe, then the breaking of the Munch Pact when he invaded the rest of Czechoslovakia. Finally the demand for Danzig which was the straw that broke the camels back as the Allies realized Hitler would not stop and his word could not be trusted. Hitler knew the invasion of Poland meant war and did so anyway. War was forced on the Allies due to Hitler's aggression in Europe.

>we will never get true Eastern Front kino
>only Enemy at the Gates-tier "lmao Russians didn't have rifles" Hollywood idiocy at best
>Also as a side note strategic bombing of city centers was first used by Germany so they can't exactly cry foul when it's done to them. Sow the wind reap the whirlwind etc.
Yeah, they did it as part of a war strategy, and the early allied bombings did the same thing. Then you got shit like Dresden, which was nothing but bombing strategically irrelevant cities out of either anger or target practice

> Hitler knew the invasion of Poland meant war and did so anyway. War was forced on the Allies due to Hitler's aggression in Europe.

It's like neoliberal textbook posting itself on the internet. Why didn't the Allies then declare war on USSR too? They occupied half of Poland and Baltics.

In that case it would still be the US since Germany handicapped itself in that area along Germany having no effective way of delivering a nuke to the US

>Yeah, they did it as part of a war strategy, and the early allied bombings did the same thing.
Then why single out the Allies when both sides did it?

>Then you got shit like Dresden
Dresden was a military target as it was a major railway hub and industrial center. If it's purely senseless destruction you want to talk about tho I can point to shit like the bombing of Rotterdam and the Razing of Warsaw. The Nazis have more than their fair share in this regard.

Probably because the had other priorities due to Germany being a closer threat, and even then they were considering supporting Finland but that stopped due to them surrendering.

>that webm where they pull the dead guys out of the tanks with hooks and ropes and they literally have their entire heads blown off
>tanks probably got plates welded over the holes and a new crew after they cleaned most of the blood off the controls

> Germany being a closer threat
> When they're expanding eastwards

>Why didn't the Allies then declare war on USSR too?
They had offensive operations against the Soviets planned brainlet but cancelled them because Germany invaded the Soviet Union
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pike

God damn that and the Bismarc were such a total waste of resources.

> 'Allied' canceled operations against Soviet Union because Germany decided to take the initiative

What a fucking hill to die on.

Then the Germans move into the rubble and set up even better defensive positions.

Too bad it was a fucking death trap.

>can't even humor me buddy?
I think his shit attempt at trolling was his "humor".

>because Germany decided to take the initiative
Because Germany became a common enemy of both the Western Allies and the Soviet Union putting them into an alliance out of convenience. The enemy of my enemy is my friend sort of thing. It's not as if Britain was a fan of the Soviet Union see their support for the whites during the Russian Civil War or Operation Unthinkable devised by Churchill post war

Yeah they were a closer threat due to several allied nations sharing a boarder along with all of them knowing Germany was going to inevitably attack them.

I don't really care to start untying the knots of the propaganda of the 20th century West in a thread that will get deleted when Janny finds out, but you can join Landian Things telegram channel and ask there.

It has a lot more do with them wanting to stay on top and not so much anything to do with any righteous cause. Not like France or Britain are strangers to violent expansiionism.

> out of convenience
Good lord how do you just accept that world war was waged on grounds because it was 'convenient'?

He did. He wanted to spread the revolution (which just means his ownership of all of the other countries) but he wasn't ready yet in 1941.

How does Poland fit into this "enemy of my enemy is my friend" are they still friends?

In a word, atomics.

It's the Canadian. You know the one.

>It has a lot more do with them wanting to stay on top
It was about stopping German expansionism

>not so much anything to do with any righteous cause
I never said it was, I'm just explaining to you the rationale for the Allies going to war with Germany.

"Communist revolution" in Russia was just the Slavdom nationalism rebranded from 1900-1918.

>when a literal bolshevik kike sees a cross

>It was about stopping German expansionism
Yes because they wanted to stay on top.

Retard I never suggested anyone waged world war out of convenience. I said the ALLIANCE between the Soviet Union and Britain was one strictly out of convenience because they had a common enemy in Nazi Germany.

Redpill me on this leaf, what separates him from the other leafs that sucks kraut cock

I'm not I just didn't think I'd have to get into a lengthy argument about whether or not the US was neutral prior to Germany declaring war on them.

Poland was an ally of the Western powers at the wars outset.

>strictly out of convenience

> These things don't happen in a vacuum,
> but USSR, UK and USA were allied out of convenience

Great explanatory power here. Thing just happen when they do and when they dont, they don't. Almost like this neoliberal textbook has a gargantuan black hole it cannot explain.

Notorious neonazi on /pol/ who believes every fake quote and every bit of propaganda. He secretly wants to be a German and according to other anons he also visits German threads on /int/ trying to fit in. He's a walking parody.

Don't even start with this nonsense.

US Executive was not neutral by any sane definition of neutrality, and US Executive wanted war and got it finally.

Of course this is tautology since USSR was allied force so USSR did not do anything wrong when they occupied Poland, Baltics, half of Europe.

But that's true ever since March 1939. This is what caused Hitler to decide to ally with USSR and attack Poland. In this order.

If it was just a question of wanting to stay on top the Allies could've declared war on Nazi Germany as soon as they remilitarized the Rhineland but they didn't. The Allies didn't want another war with Germany as WW1 was so destructive and in living memory which is why they initially pursued appeasement in an attempt to stop another war from breaking out. Germany forced their hand through their repeated land grabs. If Hitler would've stopped at the Sudetenland there wouldn't have been a war but he kept pushing for territorial expansion

How much does /int/ shit on him and what are his most notorious posts, this faggot sounds like a massive bootlicker

Yet there was no war with USSR when US had the nuke(s) and USSR had occupied Europe up to Berlin.

Purely out of convenience, I assume.

When they were with Germany they were fighting other German allies such as Finland.
When they were with UK/USA they were fighting other UK/USA allies such as Poland.
They had their own agenda. If someone wants to put them firmly in the allies camp (ignoring the first years of the war) they can do that assuming that both sides were equally "evil" as Germany and USSR were pretty much morally equivalent. But I never do that I always consider them a faction of their own siding with whoever they wanted at the time.

>but USSR, UK and USA were allied out of convenience
Yes things don't happen in a vacuum and the reason the alliance between the western powers came to be was because Germany was at war with all three nations. What's so hard to follow here? The alliance between the West and the East wasn't due to any ideological commonality, unlike the UK and Britain, but one born out of convenience due to having a common enemy in Germany. This alliance happened directly because of outside forces (Germany's invasion of Russia, declaring war on America)

>Almost like this neoliberal textbook has a gargantuan black hole it cannot explain.
You're a pseud, go read a book.

Probably because the US public did not want to start another war, US even tried to subtly threaten Stalin with the fact they had nukes by their own admission, however when they revealed it to the Soviets they soon realized the Soviets already knew about it.

>unlike the UK and Britain,
*UK and America

> When they were with Germany they were fighting other German allies such as Finland
I am Finn and this is hilarious ahistorical interpretation of the causes of the USSR's war with Finland. Literally nobody, not a single historian in Finland will tell you this was in anyway relevant motive for USSR aggression against us.

>whoaaa the Germans were so based and honorable, did we get them wrong all along?!
Notice how that's not a grave for a Russian.

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>i don't really understand it so go ask someone else

i'm very curious to see what kind of mental gymnastics are required to twist the narrative to such a retarded degree but not that curious. just give me an overview. i imagine it begins with literally denying the documented chain of events

you don't know what neoliberalism is lmfao

And what was the motive? I didn't state it but as far as I'm concerned it's always a part of their mission to spread the revolution or if we're even more precise part of their obsession to move the border further west to protect vulnerable important cities. The point is that no matter who they were allied with officially at the time they had their own plans regardless of that.

The public of America and Britain wouldn't have tolerated another continent wide war after having just finished the largest war in human history. Especially with a nation that we had allied with for 4 years. Such a prospect would've been met with revolution in these war weary nations. However, it's not as if the notion wasn't entertained see Operation Unthinkable. BTW such a war most likely would've resulted in the Soviets pushing back the Allied armies out of Europe and a red Europe. The Soviet Army was larger than the Allied Army and there wasn't enough Nukes nor where they destructive enough to result in a complete defeat of the Soviets. It's a stupid suggestion all around

>>Probably because the US public did not want to start another war
US public did not want war in 1914 or in 1937-1939 by most public opinion polling, that did not stop US Executive in both cases.
But now it stopped them at the peak of their power from defeating USSR?
Very interesting patterns!

>US public did not want war in 1914
Correct not until the Zimmerman telegram in 1917

>or in 1937-1939
Correct not until Germany declared war on the U.S.

>defeating USSR
The Allied armies couldn't defeat the Red Army in 1945.

>What's so hard to follow here?
It's your chain of causation that claims to know no ex nihilo while using it all the time all over the place.

> one born out of convenience due to having a common enemy in Germany
So 'world' went to 'world' war out of convenience of having common enemy in Germany, and that's all folks!

sexy slav

>The Allied armies couldn't defeat the Red Army in 1945
Eeeeeeeeee...

kek I know who you're talking about but I don't think it's him. His posts are usually accompanied by the same shitty propaganda images he spams.

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> The Allied armies couldn't defeat the Red Army in 1945
Oh, why is that? Nukes ineffective against Communism?
(Obviously, with a Communist head of state in both countries, it is)

>If it was just a question of wanting to stay on top the Allies could've declared war on Nazi Germany as soon as they remilitarized the Rhineland
Because them having a military in their country doesn't really threaten them, the same way that the Russian or Iranian military doesn't threaten the US as a world power. What does however threaten the US is them expanding their influence which is why they don't want the Russians in Syria/Ukraine or the Iranians in every other middle Eastern country, in that same way France and Britain were threatened by Germany prior to WW2.

>It's your chain of causation
My logic has been entirely consistent throughout. I claimed nothing happens in a vacuum and none of my posts contradict this notion.

>So 'world' went to 'world' war out of convenience
I never said that or even implied it. The world war broke out in 1939. The Alliance between the western nations and Russia was born out of having a common enemy in Nazi Germany. Not due to any ideological similarities. The Alliance occurred due to the conditions and circumstances of Europe in 1941 (Germany being at war with Britain, invading the Soviet Union, and declaring war on America) as I said did not happen in a vacuum.

While it is likely allied armies would eventually win against the Soviets due to their industry being heavily damaged, it would haven taken years to subdue them a millions more lives lost which the public did not want

refer to >BTW such a war most likely would've resulted in the Soviets pushing back the Allied armies out of Europe and a red Europe. The Soviet Army was larger than the Allied Army and there wasn't enough Nukes nor where they destructive enough to result in a complete defeat of the Soviets.
The Allies had a better Air Force and Navy but their infantry would've been forced out of Europe due to the sheer size of the Red Army. They also couldn't produce any more nukes for a while after the 2 they dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki nor would they have been destructive enough to force a Soviet Surrender.

What public wants does not matter, but is but an excuse here. It didn't stop US Executive from taking part in these 'world' wars.

> World War started in '39
Wrong.
> Alliance was born out of common enemy in Nazi Germany who just happened to be on two front war.
Ex nihilo rears its head again.

> "Ah, we just can't produce more than two nukes and those two nukes will be used to help Communists"

The pattern is pervasive, yet it seems to elude the neoliberal textbook.

>Wrong
No it officially became a world war in 1939

>who just happened to be on two front war.
Yes they were engaged in a war with Britain and then invaded Russia. Britain and Russia then became allies because they faced a common enemy in Germany. This logic isn't hard to follow.

>Ex nihilo
You don't know what that means.

>what the public wants doesn't matter
Except in republic's it does matter especially since they will vote you out if you insist on continuing an unpopular war. Even authoritarian regimes are cautious about with Italy during WW2 being a good example why you can't continue a unpopular war indefinitely.

>we just can't produce more than two nukes
After the bombings of Japan they literally couldn't produce any more nuclear bombs for a while. Certainly not in enough quantity to wage nuclear war on Russia following WW2.

>The pattern is pervasive
All your posts are dripping in pseud cringe you brainlet.

>neoliberal

stop using words you don't understand. fucking retard

>It didn't stop US Executive from taking part in these 'world' wars.
You mean the World War where Japan attacked America and Germany declared war on them? Jeez I wonder why they would take part in it hmmmmm

It's so interesting to see how much the Germans basically got away with before the allies did anything. They absorbed their nearest neighbors like fucking nothing while France and England just rested on their laurels. Even after declaring total war on France, Britain twiddled their thumbs thinking "oh shit oh fuck do we REALLY have to do this?"

My nigger, only thing(s) happening in 1939 is Germany in war with (half of) Poland and Brits, the cucks they were, declaring war on Germany due to it, but not against USSR occupation of Baltics and other half of Poland). There was not even military support to Poland from the UK.

This is a PURELY continental fist fight at this point in Europe.

The only thing which might turn this into 'world' war, is if you admit that naval blockade of Germany being a military effort, but that would mean your formal creature of World War is defunct and that Germany was justified in its submarine war against Brits and US, which you have denied all thread.

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>Except in republic's it does matter
No it fucking doesn't.
US nuked Japan twice without inquiring public.

Do you know the sheer size of Allied forces that were in just France and Germany? Not to mention the number of foreign POW's. The Allied army was reinforced from land, sea, and air and were entrenched. They could have decimated the Soviet Army, they were already moving ahead of their supply lines as it were.

Then to make matters worse, once the island hopping campaign was done, or even potentially abandoned the entirety of the US Navy in the Pacific theater could have just attacked Russia.

Combine all this with a sudden lack of supply from America and Russia goes down. Not easily, but they go down much faster than you might anticipate.

Ah yes, convenient (like all things are) that only nukes dropped in war were used to help Communists because of common enemy in Germany, Japan had to get two cities nuked. Really makes you think haha.

Why would USA and USSR fight each other? They were besties spreading Communism all over the globe.

>history thread on Yea Forums
>catch thread while auto sagin
Sad. I too love history kino

Probably because public input doesn't effect strategy on fighting a war for the most part, but effects how long it can go on for and how it ends.

>My nigger, only thing(s) happening in 1939 is Germany in war with (half of) Poland and Brits
The Second Sino-Japanese War had been raging in Asia since 1937. Outbreak of war in Europe officially made it a World War in 1939.

>the cucks they were
That makes no sense they would've been cucks if they sat on their hands and did nothing allowing Germany to run roughshod over Europe after having fought a war with them to avoid such a thing happening just 20 years earlier.

>This is a PURELY continental fist fight at this point in Europe.
You simply don't know what you're talking about.

>that coat flapping in the wind
I'd comment how fucking stylish those nazis were but it seems to set off a commie LARPer every time

>Do you know the sheer size of Allied forces that were in just France and Germany?
Yes and they were still smaller than the Red Army.

>They could have decimated the Soviet Army
No they couldn't. At best it would've been a pyrrhic victory. The Allies were already demobilizing after WW2 while the Red Army mostly remained the same size.

> the entirety of the US Navy in the Pacific theater could have just attacked Russia.
It wouldn't have done much considering such a war would've mostly been a land war infantry vs infantry like WW2.

>but they go down much faster than you might anticipate.
I disagree. I think the Soviets would've overran the Allied armies.

>That makes no sense they would've been cucks if they sat on their hands and did nothing
That's what they did though, or did I miss British landing force in Poland liberating it from Nazis and Communists?

> Germany to run roughshod over Europe
Yeah but they allowed USSR to 'run roughshod' over Europe and for decades. Real preferences here.

> Outbreak of war in Europe officially made it a World War in 1939.
Germany fighting with Poland can't create world war. It's neighboring countries settling disputes. According to you we are in world war right now with Ukraine and Afghans fighting.

Formally it goes world war with US joining it after Pearl Harbor bait.

>At best it would've been a pyrrhic victory.
Because USSR dominating Europe up to Berlin and spreading Communism was a true victory. Finally the undercurrent of the thought in its full unashamed glory.

I like how he goes through a brick wall so they have to go over the rubble.

The U.S was incapable of producing enough nukes immediately post-WW2 to engage the Soviets in full scale nuclear war. Nor were would these bombs be effective enough to make the Soviets submit. These aren't H-bombs. I'm just telling you the facts of the matter.

>Really makes you think haha.
So you have no argument? Glad we settled that

But US was capable of producing enough nukes immediately in WW2 to wage war against 'fascists' (such as Japan).

> So you have no argument?
Really makes you think haha

>escalate a germanic-slav border war into WW1 because they're jelly of german industry
>suffer the greatest losses of WW1
>be butthurt about and still jelly, insist that germany is crippled and utterly humiliated by the treaty
>germany gets so butthurt from this WW2 happens
>suffer a national humiliation and suffer astronomical losses despite winning AGAIN
French have always been whiny cunts and are the greatest culprits for the world wars behind Germany itself. They weren't even useful for taking punches for the UK and America in WW2.

Wehrbs will never just be honest and admit it started cause of the Axis. You should see how they try and justify Japan dragging the US into the war. They honestly think they weren't to blame because the US was sanctioning their oil, not realizing the reason the US was doing this was because the Japanese were being shifty retards. They invaded China in '37, sent the Imperial Japanese Army to occupy Cam Ranh Bay (which would put the Japanese in a convenient line of attack on US troops in the Philippines) and southern French Indochina (in modern terms, this counts for like three different countries) which meant putting the Japanese in even more convenient spots to invade the Dutch East Indies, British Malaya, Borneo, Brunei and the US lead Philippines. Oil was only officially embargoed AFTER the Japanese did this, in August. Certainly, this put the Japs on ice and lead to them eventually invading all these places for their resources; but this only happened because the Japanese had been dicking around with their military for five years (their war in China was internationally condemned and got them kicked from the League of Nations, it's worth mentioning). Maybe if the the US is your chief source of oil for your giant war machine, don't do shit that'll piss them off and damage the efficacy of said giant war machine. The Japs acted like complete retards and actually believed they could fight a prolonged war against the US (as well as Britain and the Commonwealth).

And best of all, Hitler stood by and was okay with all of it, because by December '41 he had mostly been successful in Russia and believed America would never form the military to somehow get to Europe in time (all whilst Germany desperately siphoned all its oil from Romania and whatever it could steal in Russia). Hope it paid off getting the Kriegsmarine to torpedo all those ships.

you do know the allied cucks these days actually believe every single German in existence from 1930 to 1945 was a committed Nazi right?

Balkan dispute was getting accelerated without Frenchies. The Russian & Serb govt. were promoting Slav nationalism and fracturing of A-H/Turkey.

>battleship kino
>shooting a bunch of missiles off at something you can't even see
user, it's over

>That's what they did though
No they declared war on Germany once they invaded Poland. It was simply the straw that broke the camels back in a series of aggressive land grabs by Germany.

>Yeah but they allowed USSR to 'run roughshod' over Europe
They weren't going to begin WW3 with the Soviet Union immediately following the most destructive war in human history. The civilian populations wouldn't have allowed it. An uneasy peace with Russia was preferable to another all out total war. Also the western Allies fought Soviet expansionism all across the world for the next 40 years.

>Germany fighting with Poland can't create world war.
Correct the Western Allies declaring war upon the invasion of Poland made it a World War.

>According to you we are in world war right now with Ukraine and Afghans fighting.
What are you even talking about?

>Formally it goes world war with US joining
No it isn't go read any book on the matter World War 2 officially begins in 1939

That's because they just finished the project when the war was in its ending phase and they dropped them on Japan to not only avoid a bloody invasion but to also prevent the Soviets from gaining a foothold in Japan due to said invasion plan also having the Soviet take part during the latter phases which became unacceptable afte DC started realizing the Soviets weren't leaving.

Ah, out of convenience I see. Very fitting!

The U.S literally only had enough material for 2 bombs. Materials like uranium and shit were very expensive and the process of creating nuclear armaments was not standardized to the point where entire nuclear arsenals could be created

Even with Stalin's brutal tactics he was barely saved by a combination of logistical issues and bad weather. Western allies facing the 1941 full strength German war machine would have gotten their asses handed to them

if world war II begins formally in 1939 then Germany was justified sinking US boats since they were providing materiel support, tracking submarines for British Navy , and you have denied all thread that Germany was justified in sinking them.

its monkey's paw.

And I am not disputing that US had material for 2 bombs, I am merely pointing out what they decided to do with it, and what not.

It still had nothing to do with Western Europe until France cupped Russia's balls against Germany. Germany crossed a line when Belgium wouldn't let them through to kick France's ass, then got invaded and invoked mandatory support from the UK, but all that only came about from France sticking its greedy nose where it didn't belong.

>Also the western Allies fought Soviet expansionism all across the world for the next 40 years.
No, they did not.

Immediately in 1945 Washington DC started supporting Communist China and other third world Communist revolutions.

Reasons barbarossa happened in order from most important to least important:
>Hilter hated slavs and communism and saw defeating communism as one of his primary political goals.
The two countries were regional competitors and would come into conflict at some point.
>The USSR had show it's military to be still extremely weak and incompetent during their invasion of finland.
>The longer Germany waited, the stronger the Soviet army would get and the weaker a resource strapped Germany would get.
Hitler attacked because he always intended to attack and 1941 was the first and best opportunity to land a knockout blow against a weaken USSR, before they became too strong for Germany to defeat.

Unless germany could wave a magic wand and have a nuke two years earlier than the US, the bomb wouldn't have done them much good, because they didn't have the airpower to fly it anywhere important without it getting shot down.
More so, even if the Gnatzis levelled london or moscow, it wouldn't have done much good, since the Allies had overwhelming superiority by 44 and would not have been stopped by a couple of nukes. If anything it's lucky that the germans didn't get their hands on nukes, because the Allies probably would have retaliated pretty heavy handedly if london had been bombed.

>if world war II begins formally in 1939 then Germany was justified sinking US boats since they were providing materiel support
Again that was due to Germany's retarded foreign policy that antagonized all of America's closest allies which resulted in the material support. They are not blamless in the escalation of hostile tensions between America and Germany. They ran spy rings in America, Fired upon U.S ships, Hosted fifth column elements in America like German American Bund.

Yea they decided to drop the bombs on a country they were at war with instead of their war time ally. Really activates those almonds huh?

German spyrings were an absolute joke in US.
British intelligence literally killed anti-war Republicans before first world war.

Yeah purely out of convenience were decisive actions helping Communists, and for reasons beyond our mortal understanding did US find itself at war with anti-Communists time and time again. Had nothing to do with politics, ideological alignments though.

>No, they did not.
Yes they did
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Civil_War
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Indochina_War
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguayan_Civil_War_(1947)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War
This is just a few there are tons more. the US engaged in proxy wars against the Soviet Union all throughout the Cold War.

those are kids wtf

Oh it's also worth mentioning that Jap military brass were drafting plans for Pearl Harbor as early as November 3rd, and possibly had ideas for it even earlier than that, as they based the attack on something the British did to the Italians in 1940. This was while the US and Japan were still negotiating, and predates the "Hull note" that I've seen some of these autists bark about. Not that the Hull note was an unreasonable ultimatum, given what the Japanese had already done and what demands they made of the US, demands that essentially amounted to "give us your oil, as well as resources directly from the Dutch East Indies, stop aiding China and make Britain and the Netherlands stop aiding China, and take your troops out of Southeast Asia, even though they're no direct threat to Japan, even though our troops ARE currently a threat to your Asian territories."

Whereas literally all the Americans were requesting was to pull their troops out of fucking French Indochina (as it's kind of shitty to just occupy it, since the French are no longer in a situation to say "no, don't").

>German spyrings were an absolute joke in US.
Yea German intelligence was generally pretty shit. The fact is they were still running them.

> the Korean War
Wouldn't really point out the one where General was recalled because Chinese and Soviets didn't like him; and they all are secondary to the major support US gave to Communist China and USSR.

Kinda feel badly for the old chap. Everyone makes mistakes

It was shit and not serious, unlike the British intelligence. Which obviously was not a threat to US sovereignty, because US was a neutral country only out of convenience giving materiel support for Brits.

He was recalled because his plan would turn a relatively minor conflict into a major war and could set the precedent of nukes being used in other proxy wars.

>McAuthur was relieved because Truman wanted to help communists.
Damn son, that's some full blown psychosis you've got going on there.

The irony of this post is what I live for.

>color footage

Fake. The first color tv wasn't invented until the 1960's.

>General was recalled because Chinese and Soviets didn't like him
If you're referring to MacArthur he was recalled because he wanted to bomb China and didn't want to adhere to the strict policy of keeping Korea a limited war.

>they all are secondary to the major support US gave to Communist China and USSR.
lmao what how is 40 years of proxy wars secondary to America providing support to its war time allies?

> Truman
> wasn't a Commie
lol he literally forced nationalists in China to accept Communists in their government and parliament, what the fuck is he if not Communist supporter?

>not serious
That's not how it works retard. You can't just run spy rings and then claim "lol bro I wasn't being serious" when confronted about them. The fact is Germany ran them trying to subvert America.

>was a neutral country only out of convenience giving materiel support for Brits.
That's not what I said. Try to keep up.

Are you familiar with the Truman doctrine?

President responsible for
>Truman doctrine
>Korean war intervention
>Marshall plan
>Funded nationalists in china

>Is a commie because he told Chinese nationalists to conceed to Mao after they had lost an unwinnable civil war.
Take your meds.

>Germany ran them trying to subvert America.
But Brits assassinating anti-war Republican, no opinion? or British intelligence honeypotting and blackmailing anti-war Republicans. Not subverting?

Obviously not, as Americans were heavily anti-German by this point, no small feat of British intelligence helping to agitate against them, but as in all things, these happened out of convenience of common enemy to Germany for which Japan had to be nuked twice

or so the history of liberals tells them.

Are you familiar with Truman telling Chinese nationalists to suck it up and accept Communism?

>Are you familiar with Truman telling Chinese nationalists to suck it up and accept Communism?
Imagine thinking that you're allowed to cop a hot take about cold war politics while not knowing what the Truman Doctrine (a.k.a. the legislation that defined the era) was. Mindblowing ignorance and stupidity right there.

Yes, when you create a massive Communist state and support Mao, you are a Communist.

> Marshal Plan
Together with Denazification, used to remove European right post-WW2 and spread liberalism (that being the taxonomical father of socialism) in Europe.

> Funded nationalists in china
This was an absolute joke for multiple reasons. For example munitions aid arrived 9 months after Communist victory. There is your anti-Communist operation, which was more to support Communists.

lol

>But Brits assassinating anti-war Republican, no opinion?
Which Republican did the British assassinate?

>British intelligence honeypotting and blackmailing anti-war Republicans
Like who?

>as Americans were heavily anti-German by this point
And do you think that might have something to do with Germany antagonizing all of America's closest Allies? Oh wait I forgot the Germans dindu nuffin right?

>helping to agitate against them
The Germans had no problems doing that through their own actions alone. It wasn't the British that forced them to fire upon US ships for instance.

>but as in all things, these happened out of convenience
I said that in regards to the alliance between the west and the Soviets. Not in regards to relations between the US and Britain. Once again, keep up. Your attempt to misrepresent what I'm saying is pathetic

the only sane one it seems

Germany would've run into the same problem that they faced against Russia: lack of oil.

By late 1941, the Wehrmacht was almost completely out of reserve oil for fast maneuvering, which is why it was absolutely crucial the the Caucuses be captured during Barbarossa. A lot of people say Hitler should have listened to his generals more - this is one of the instances where his generals ignored his orders and marched north onto Stalingrad instead of south to seize the oil fields that not only would be vital to continued effective operation of the Wehrmacht and the Luftwaffe, but also starve Russia of their main supply of oil as well.

There's an argument to be made that during 1939, Hitler should have gone after the oil fields first while the Red Army was still in turmoil, instead of attacking France, but god only knows how that would have fared.

Imagine being such a cognitive peasant who can't figure out that I am mocking the Turdman Doctrine, which in turn translated to Communist victory, for example Truman's insistence on no help given to anti-Communists in Chinese 'civil' war and arms embargo of 1946 which again helped Communists (supported by USSR) in China.

Assuming this is bait but cant be sure if hes not just a brainlet

You do know there has been colored footage since WW1, there is also the fact old black and white footage has been colorized

>Germany antagonizing all of America's closest Allies
Oh wow where did this antagonizing feeling come from, surely the people who cut the lines between Europe and US so that only telegraphs ran through Britain to US wouldn't lie and agitate haha

> It wasn't the British that forced them to fire upon US ships for instance
Yeah it might have been the US that sent civilian ships through declared war zones when same civilian flagged ships had been passing material support and sub locations to British that might have done it.

Did you know the US lied to passengers about Lusitania's "British escort" through the war zone?

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that 80% was composed of a fuck ton of conscripted non germans that would surrender at first oppurtunity.

>Oh wow where did this antagonizing feeling come from
It stemmed from Germany repeatedly violating treaties, invading and subjugating Democratic European countries.

>the lines between Europe and US so that only telegraphs ran through Britain to US wouldn't lie and agitate
The Zimmerman telegram which pulled the US into WW1 was admitted to by Germany. It didn't take subversion on the part of the British to get the US involved Germany did it themselves through unrestricted submarine warfare and their retard diplomacy.

Also curious how you didn't name anyone the British supposedly assassinated haha

soviets aren't human, why would they get graves?

stalin wanted to kill more russians first

so stupid they won a war by themselves...

>Nazis collaborated with and received insane amounts of credit and funding from multinational corporations and banking cartels, including massive privatization under Hitler's "revival" of the German economy for his close friends and business partners
>"No you see, the Allies were the capitalists' puppets"

>Also curious how you didn't name anyone the British supposedly assassinated haha

William Borah, and Vandenberg was the honey potted one.
Read the book I linked, it's free in Google Books.

>partisans
are war criminals

Redpilled

wtf

>Germany forced their hand through their repeated land grabs
ie taking back German land populated by Germanic peoples
>but he kept pushing for territorial expansion
ie stopping the persecution of ethnic Germans in the Danzig corridor

>Also as a side note strategic bombing of city centers was first used by Germany
Total flagrant lie. Churchill's malicious firebombing of Munich (after literally dozens of appeals for peace by Hitler) was what touched off the bombing of civilians. Unless you're counting the single off-course bomber that dropped its payload on a civilian target accidentally during tBoB.

>It stemmed from Germany repeatedly violating the most unjust treaty in the history of humanity
heh
>invading and subjugating Democratic European countries
You mean consolidating ethnic German populations? Austria welcomed them with cheers. If you're speaking to the low countries and Norway, all were necessary due to England showing a willingness to violate their neutrality and use it as a beachhead for invasion into the continent. Hitler had no desire whatsoever to involve Norway.

>taking back German land populated by Germanic peoples
And the Allies were fine with it up until the Sudetenland as Hitler promised it would be the last territorial demand. Then Hitler violated the Munich Pact by invading the rest of Czechoslovakia. It was this along with the violation of a number of other treaties such as the anglo german naval agreement that showed the Allies Hitler wasn't trustworthy

>persecution of ethnic Germans in the Danzig corridor
What sort of persecution?

Last I checked Czechoslavakia wasn't German land

Those graves are actually Polish partisans from 1946.

>Total flagrant lie.
Bombing of Warsaw retard the Germans literally started the war with bombing civilian centers. Begging ya to go read a book.

Their problem was that once America joined and England hadn't been invaded & conquered, the war was lost. It was just a matter of time. Strategic bombing would have obliterated Germany's cities & population, and then there was the spectre of nuclear bombing if they survived after Japan.
And of course, even if they didn't attack the Soviets, there would be nothing in particularly stopping the Soviets from joining the war at some later point, meaning Germany would have had to keep forces on their border anyway, or the Soviets would sense weakness and attack.

>violating the most unjust treaty in the history of humanity
Versailles isn't all they violated. Take the Ango-German naval agreement for instance. Also:
>most unjust treaty in the history of humanity
Jesus Christ the sheer hyperbole of you kraut bootlickers. The treaty of Brest-Litvosk imposed on Russia by Germany was far more harsh than Versailles.

>You mean consolidating ethnic German populations?
lol like Czechoslovakia right?

>Austria welcomed them with cheers
lol The Nazis had to intimidate the Austrian government into the Anschluss. Hitler threatened them with military force if they didn't give in to his demands.

>once America joined
You mean once they declared war on America?

hahah wtf I've never seen this before.

>WW1
>Germany uses unrestricted submarine warfare
>Draws the USA into the war
>Germany loses the war

>WW2
>Germany uses unrestricted submarine warfare
>Draws the USA into the war
>Germany loses the war

Was it autism? Or were they just retarded?

Almost like Yanks weren't innocent.

>This country is neutral, but trading with my enemy
>Better attack them so they join the war for real!

So autism then.

It wasn't just trading.

ITT: Kraut cucks getting BTFO repeatedly

8 barrel mount jesus christ that's a lot of firepower.

Well afterwards the USA didin't have to jump through loops to get small amount of arms and material over to the UK. They could ship millions of tons freely, and spend pilots over... Aand start bombing the nazis.
So really german autism was the allies greatest ally.

whats this film? i really want to see it

wtf this is awesome and scary

oh SHIT

WW1 is KINO

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Except neither of your points are particularly accurate. Submarine warfare was only really a point in the U.S. joining WW1 and even then it was a medium level issue at best. I would say the Zimmerman telegraph was probably a much bigger draw for the U.S. to join the war.

As far as WW2, it wasn't really an issue at all. The U.S. was violently isolationist and couldn't even really draw congressional support for joining the war in Europe until after Germany declared war on the U.S. to support their Japanese allies, who the U.S. did declare war on.

>Zimmerman telegraph
was it autism?