Sempai... Sempai! SEMPAI!!!

kys weeb

>gookmoot
not even a weeb but fuck anything that shady faggot says

Boy there sure are a lot of fellas who don’t like anime bumping this thread for us thanks fellas

Netflix

No one gives a fuck what that Nipm00t says. He'll sell you out for a dime.

Anime

Anime here is fine, better to get away from the elitits on Yea Forums sometimes for a new one perspective

I don't like that scene. Everyone was in love from someone at work. It tried too hard to give insight to every little character. Finding out that what's his face was pedo for the Rei's didn't make him a better character.

Akshually (and I believe I remember this take on Evageeks) Aoba never loved anyone. That's why he was confronted with multiple Reis rather than a "true love" or "crush". He was selfish.

Aoba wasnt pedo he just didnt love anyone and multiple reis means he just likes women in general

you dont seem to realize netflix overiddes "anime" attribute....

I find that strange. Why a million Rei's? I always thought he was in love with them.

Rei is the best.

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>tfw no red eyed gf

It makes sense because they spent their entire days working at Nerv and didn’t have time to socialize outside of their workplace. There’s a scene in the blackout episode where you see them all taking the subway together early in the morning to go to work.

Lol no. He was scared of getting close to anyone and more importantly, lived his life that way. Almost all other characters have someone they have feelings for, romantic or otherwise. He didnt, so he saw Rei for what she was.

Guy wouldn't let his guard down.

Hence, Rei took him by force.

Mein Bruder, fucking sin right there nature or God didnt implement that into our DNA somewhere

Some anons in other thread said that Aoba saw naked Reis because Rei/Lilith went “404 error lover not found”, so when she wasn’t able to take the form of another person she stayed naked like a blank slate, and multiplied in order to forcefully break Aoba’s AT field, since he was resisting their embrace.

What if he realized in that moment that the Rei's were what he always wanted?

Anime is a type of TV show

He didn't love anybody, so Rei could not take the form of somebody he loved in order to strip away his individuality; so Rei basically hyperramed his AT field.

there's always albinos but the only attractive one to ever exist is probably taken

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I check.

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Hiro is a retarded newfag, just like you.

Maya is in love with Ritsuko.

More like second worst.
Ramiel > Asuka > Maya > Misato > Ritsuko > Rei > Hikari

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You think you're being funny, but making a tier list that's intentionally stupid is really just childish.

Still gets NTR by best boy.
>fucks the cutest girl in uni
>then fucks his assistant
>then replaces her with her daughter and fucks the daughter
How was Gendo such a Chad?

>asuka above anyone
Even the fag option is superior to the schizo.

Realistically speaking, Rei is the only top-tier choice, since she's more or less God. Misato and Ritsuko are smart, decent women with some flaws, but Asuka is simply mentally ill and nothing but NERV's puppet pilot.

Would still rather have Misato. Rei is the cutest but has no personality.

>nothing but NERV's puppet pilot.
You mean the official money drain. Asuka is virtually useless for the whole of NGE.
She assisted in a few fights, never taking down angels alone like Shinji does 5 times and Rei once. Even her participation was contrived, like the time she has to tandem with Shinji working for a week on synchro when Rei and Shinji were attuned immediately.
Meanwhile her retarded antics push Shinji into a depressive state. So she's not merely useless but almost ruins the actually good pilot.

>decent women with some flaws
Dude, Misato is hot as fuck but she's a complete trainwreck.

No, he was scared shitless by her. Most likely, he sensed by instinct that orange goo would be a nightmare for him - bound to the entire human race, soul by soul, for eternity.

Just wait for all the beer drinking to catch up to her

True. NERV made a mistake with Asuka.

Cringe.

>rei is best because she's a powerful alien!!!

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That's Shikinami. Not Soryu.

Also, grow up.

Rei doesn't have an extrovert personality, sure, but "no personality" is a bit wrong. She's an introvert, and they're interesting, arguably more than extroverts.

t. boring introvert

I know it's Shikinami. She's still solid despite not being developed as well as Soryu. The Rebuilds are solid sources of screencaps since they're visually so much higher quality than the anime.
>Also, grow up.
You first. Stop lusting after a weird alien who lacks an actual human personality just because she's quiet and submissive and "pure".

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Rei is boring independent of whether she's introverted or extroverted, and her canonically being an introvert isn't an excuse for how boring she is.

She's by far the most interesting of the bunch though?

She's not, and repeating the same copypasted arguments in thread after thread after thread doesn't change that.

Yeah that's the problem. Grow up.
The way you describe and obsess over these characters is extremely childish. They're just characters, not your waifus.

The worst part is that you're jealous of Rei being better than Asuka. Dear god.

What?

You realize Shikinami is pretty much proof Asuka is garbage right? It's like the writers realized how garbage she was and gave her a complete rewrite.

>another potentially good eva thread ruined by waifufags

but her mom is in the eva so she has to be a pilot lol

>The Rebuilds are solid sources of screencaps since they're visually so much higher quality than the anime.
Plebiest post ITT

It's always that one persistent Asuka fag too. Coming with retarded tier lists and giving reasons why "oh asuka is such a better girlfriend" even when the whole point is not to waifu these shits.

that's every eva thread though

Are you a woman (biological)?

Literally Nepotism: the animation.

You fuck right off. Subhumans like you are the reason EVA threads go to hell.

and by the way?
Rei is actually better than Asuka and only delusional morons think otherwise.

She doesn't have to, they can just replace her.

The way you talk about these characters is unreal. Did you watch this or just read porn fics?

Asuka is a severely broken down puppet with no personality of her own. Her entire life is something NERV just molded her to be, a pilot.
NERV did the same thing to Rei but Rei still came out of it with a personality. NERV also fucked over Misato, but Misato also came to her senses and conspired against NERV.

Rei, Misato etc... are written to be better than Asuka and there's no changing that.

>tfw manga Rei actually falls in love with Shinji unlike the shitty anime Rei

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>they can just replace her.
literally not how they work

Rei in the anime also digs Shinji though. Though, I wouldn't say liking Shinji like that is a compliment.

That's literally how they work though? They replaced Asuka in the show.

A submissive is no fun. You want a dom who you battle with. That's more excitement.

Maybe if you're a cuck.

drunken floozie misato master race.
after dating someone boring like rei and someone cunty like asuka I ended up preferring the boring one. I'd rather just be with a fellow retarded equal that likes to screw around.

All you're saying is that you're boring. You can't make your own fun or be your own fun yourself, so you just want to be used.

How does this relate to EVA anyway? Asuka is just a loud cunt, not a dom, she can't handle any pushback and falls.

Rei doesn't act out but she can take a beating and dish it out of necessary.

Misato is somewhere in the middle, loud but sweet.

Basically, Asuka is only liked by the most pathetic of people.

not him but they replaced her with the in-universe equivalent of Jesus, who could also control eva 02 from outside by shear willpower, and fly

...

STOP MAKING THREADS ABOUT THIS SHIT NIGGER

>not him
Yeah right.

They replaced her, and could have done so any time and they spoke of doing so. The only thing is that when doing so, SEELE snuck in some fucking weirdo and forced them to take their candidate.

Replacing pilots is an actual fucking procedure they have.

>then fucks his assistant
gendo and fuyutsuki fucked?

This, Asuka is fucking nothing and it's absolutely sad how much these dregs have to keep playing her up. Waifudom ruins you.

>The Rebuilds are solid sources of screencaps since they're visually so much higher quality than the anime
caps from the blu-ray edition of the original are far sexier than anything in the rebuilds, dipshit.

>sweet home alabama

It's an Asukafag. Shikinami in the Rebuilds is who Anno wrote to cope with Rei being more than twice as popular as Asuka.

It's an Asuka made to compensate for how shit the original was, hence the lack of character, copious action scenes and absence of any flaw. There's no wonder the Asuka fan sticks to it.

thinking about it your probably right. The only reason for Asuka being there is for the sync-rate boost from her mam being in the mech but since she's so shit it'd be easier to get some rando in from the streets

Rei in EOE only cares about Shinji out of all humanity after turning into her real Lilith form. She let Shinji decides what shes does of her superpowers. It's could have been more romantic but she becomes his guardian angel watching over him even after he recovers from instrumentality.

She cares for him when she hears his scream before Gendo merges Adam with her tho, speedwatcher

this. the whole dramatic arc of rei is how she develops consciousness and peronsality (her humanityb) through her intereactions with shinji. people saying she's just a doll are fucking imbeciles

It's even better though.
Rei literally saves Shinji from his own suicide. Like she crosses the entire world to get to him, get right to his soul, and guide him out.

It's like this, Shinji already HAD the power to end the world, and SEELE manipulated him further into suicide, which then would lead to a global suicide.

So Rei sort of wrecks the entire death-process and gives him a new chance at life.

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I think Rei always had consciousness and all that, I mean you're underselling Rei a lot here.

It's not about developing consciousness, it's about understanding herself.

A daring synthesis

Does Rei die in the end? Or does she become some form of sentient soul that can inhabit the LCL world and also manifest itself in the real world somehow?

It depends how far you push each character motivation at this point, but overall I agree that Shinji-Rei interaction is why instrumentality is kill.
Without Shinji, Rei (if they had managed to fight the angels without shinji) wouldn't have cared and would simply fuck off to hyperspace or Heaven after tang'in mankind.
Without interacting with Rei, Shinji wouldn't have had the strength to break instrumentality.

She's godlike and transcended.

Was this actually Rei though at that point? Since we see Kaworu after the Adam/Lillith fusion isn't it better to say that Lillith saved her creation

I mean Rei ain't a patch on the real thing

When Rei’s soul (aka s fragment of Lilith’s soul) went back and merged with Lilith it carried her personality and memories so it’s still her

Yes? Rei's real identity is Lilith.

Rei is Lilith encased in a body replica of Shinji's mom.
Lilith is never shown under another face and there is no reason why she wouldn't manifest as such when talking to Shinji.

There is more things to do when your girl is aggressive. Sometimes she pushes sometimes she pulls. You get to react to twice as much stimulus.

No, you're just a cuck.

youtu.be/ZnihGeRjG3U

Doesn't she say her name?

Rei and Lilith aren't the same thing though, even with the soul transplanting fuckery that goes on in this series. The Evas have transplanted souls and they have far more agency and impact than Rei has with the soul of a godlike being

It doesn't make any sense that Adam's soul can have so much impact and power but Lilith's soul is basically inert until the fusion

But then he would come back from it like Shinji and Asuka?

The difference is that Kaworu is aware of who he is. But Rei doesn't know she's Lilith, and that mental block keeps her from activating her powers.

When Rei knows, she manifests an AT-field stronger than Kaworus in ep 24.

Even if you're a pleb looking for excitement, women are the most terrible option to get it. Get into extreme sports instead. The demure nice woman is always the best girl.

Perhaps. It's said anyone can break instrumentality by self consciousness. Shinji is first because it's the plot. Apart from him we only see Asuka but lots of people are probably getting out very quickly. It wouldn't make for a kino last scene though so it's better left off screen.

>posting edits
>newfags falling for it
today i will remind them.

it's a scene from the movie you absolute niggers.

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I love Ritsuko and I hate what happened to her.

People go on and on about "zombie Simpsons" but I think nothing comes close to how bastardized EVA has become, especially due to how anti-marketing and anti-otaku the original show was.

>Episode 22
>Asuka gets mindfucked and succumbs to depression
>End song:

youtube.com/watch?v=PHv1n9wcPK4

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>implying the Rebuilds aren’t a dream everyone’s having inside the LCL
Plebs are gonna get LYNCHED when 4.44 comes out

the problem is when you can post anime reaction images on any board, but non-anime images can get you banned on Yea Forums

>when 4.44 comes out
I'll be too busy playing HL3 and fapping to Otome Function to watch that crap.

That would explain why Yui isn’t there at all

What did Anno meant by this scene? Was it necessary to know that Maya is a dyke?

Yes.

Throwing a bone to /u/shitters.

Did you miss the part where he was the only one scared under his desk?

>4.44
Netflix needs to buy that fucking movie, and release it on their service on Japanese premiere night.

Kaworu should have been a buddy of Shinji and a fellow Eva pilot for a good chunk of the show, to make the revelation and his death actually mean something

Manga actually did it.

That's how it is in the manga.

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That sounds hella gay.

holy shit
user you and I are the only real patricians ITT, and possibly this entire fanbase

>actually mean something
but it already does you tard

I may have to read it one of these days
go big or go home

>oh no, this guy we knew for all of 5 minutes who may or may not have sucked shinji’s dick was an angel?!
>now I’m sad he’s kill
hell, the third rebuild movie used him more effectively than that trash of an episode

yeah man I'm aware she's not very "loved" outside of porn circles and I can't for the life of me pinpoint why
she's cute, she's smart, she's resourceful, she's funny in a dry and cynical way, she knows when to take control of the situation when Misato loses her shit...
she's all that really
it's too bad she can't escape her mother's ghost and ends up dying pretty much the exact same death

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>smoker with both mommy and daddy issues
wew lad

>damaged people can't be interesting

and you post that on Yea Forums of all places

> but non-anime images can get you banned on Yea Forums
non-anime images on Yea Forums are older than most users here, mods only enforce this rule when they're butthurt

Jokes on you Anno knows this and that's clearly what 3.0+1.0 is going to be about.

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Plug suit ritsuko is the only good thing to come out of the rebuilds, well that and Rei with her baby Reis.

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Who said she isn't interesting? Are you retarded? Oh wait, you're a Ritsukofag.

sometimes Yea Forums gets butthurt over them too, with or without mods intervening

Joke's on you, Anno has made actual Zombie Eva and 3.0 will be more.

why did Asuka go easy on Shinji at the end of 3, while she was flipping out in the beginning of the film?

What?

If you haven't noticed that Anno has fucked over Evangelion and turned it into otaku heaven, you're blind AND stupid.

Ignore him. Waifufags are mad that the Rebuilds seem to favor Asuka over Rei and they think they are an excuse for Anno to BTFO Reifags because their peabrain can’t think outside of waifufagging

Hmmmm

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Nice edit faggot

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>Compares being an Otaku who retreats from the world into self-serving Oedipal power fantasies at the expense of living in the real world to fucking apocalyptic genocide
>Makes a film about how people who got too attached to Eva became unable to move past it
>Reaffirms the message of EoE and sums this up very clearly in the ending by showing Shinji dragged out of his safe space - the entry plug - into a harsh reality ruined by his selfish manchild bullshit
>"Turn it into Otaku heaven"

You are so fucking stupid, so horrifically dumb that it is not even possible to have your ridiculous opinion. You physically can't be this dumb. You just can't.

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You're an otaku defending your obsession with Evangelion by pretending it's not otaku-pandering.

I get it. It's a self-defense mechanism.

Otaku (such as yourself) enjoy, more than nothing else, delving into obscure, puzzle-like plots with cute girls and action, where the end goal is to simply spend time deciphering nonsense.
What you just wrote is an affirmation of the otaku ideology, and it's being served by cute girls, i.e a cute girl that drags you out into another fantasy world.
Rebuild is the anti-thesis to the original story. All it's done is remove the realism and provide more in-depth otaku-pandering, with Asuka front and center. In terms of interpretation, it has created a cyclical universe where the obsessed fanboys such as yourself can indulge in eternal wish-fulfilment since everyhting keeps happening and has no end.

Haven't ever, not for even a second, wondered why "normies" and people who have their shit together, regard Rebuild as nonsensical garbage, while the ones who love it are without exception, huge otaku nerds?

Have some self-insight and self-respect. You are that very fucking otaku you criticize.

The '95 version did that. The new stuff Anno made since that has more or less been just about parading his favorite character in cool poses and demonizing whoever might oppose them in the story.

In other words, Evangelion has become the epitome of fantasy wish-fulfilment.

>implying the obvious as fuck otaku pandering in the rebuilds isn’t part of the plan
You think you’re smarter for noticing obvious shit? You sound more like assblasted waifufags

I literally haven't watched a new anime in like 3+ years, and the last time I watched Eva was 2016, and I've preferred watching Western TV dramas for a long time. I understand how me being otaku would be convenient for you, though.

>What you just wrote is an affirmation of the otaku ideology.
How? The entire point is that being an otaku is childish and needs to be grown out of.

> i.e a cute girl that drags you out into another fantasy world.
The idea that what Eva ultimately did with Asuka was drag otaku into a different kind of wish-fulfillment fantasy no less indulgent than the one depicted by Rei is an interesting idea and a valid criticism. It would be really interesting if 3.0+1.0 dealt with this.

>In terms of interpretation, it has created a cyclical universe where the obsessed fanboys such as yourself can indulge in eternal wish-fulfillment since everything keeps happening and has no end.
If you legitimately think that 3.0+1.0 isn't going to be about breaking out of the endless cycle of Eva (considering Anno said that he originally introduced Mari to help break that cycle) then you're the delusional one, and the fact that the world is shown as a barren wasteland due to the endless cycles of the story makes it blatantly obvious that it is portraying this endless cycle as a bad thing.

By all means, keep deciding I'm things I'm not that would be convenient to argue against whilst repeating things directly contradicted by the films though.

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Obsessed manchildren detected

>implying the obvious as fuck otaku pandering in the rebuilds isn’t part of the plan

TRUST THE PLAN! WWG1WGAWTFBBQ!

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I like eva threads here more than Yea Forums

Wanna know how I know you're a fucking fat obsessed otaku evafag? You refer to tv as "Western TV Dramas", with actual capitalization.
That and the asuka pic + delusional asukafaggotry gives it away. It doesn't matter if 3.0+1.0 makes a 180, it's been otaku pandering for 20+ years and the otaku have been fed. Stop being delusional.

No, you're the exact audience for Anno's Rebuild pandering. Get a life.

lmao

Anno provides you a shallow, waifu-filled action-packed fantasy with Kaworu and Asuka front and center, with all their flaws and failures removed, and you somehow twist this to being anti-otaku?

That's some self-defense mechanism there.

>offers no counter-argument
Typical of cumsmooth-brained waifufags

i fail to realise how a asukafag would like the rebuilds, it buchered her character completely.

It did, but it butchered it through glorification. The new Asuka is such an overblown waifu it's disgusting. Anything uncomfortable or weak about the character has been removed.

Leaving otaku nerds like free to fantasize.

It's you who has no argument.
The Rebuilds are chock full of waifu pandering, from start to end. It has removed all depth and nuance. The only people who like it are huge otaku.

Yet you still somehow claim it's anti-otaku? The only counter I've seen is some insane "TRUST THE PLAN" Q-user tier shit. Kind of fitting since the last flick was pretty much named Q.

mari is the hottest even if the rebuilds are just silliness

>YOU'LL SEE! ANNO WILL MAKE IT GOOD AGAIN!
>NOOOOO EVA ISNT WAIFU PANDERING, ITS A COINCIDENCE THAT IT HAS WAIFU!
>THE WAIFUS ARE IROONIIIIIIIIC

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>but it butchered it through glorification
it honestly made me like her less because i identified with her failures and faults.

>Kind of fitting since the last flick was pretty much named Q
do you think Q user's LARP is inspired by the rebuilds?

why are you quoting me user?

>it honestly made me like her less because i identified with her failures and faults.
Who gives a shit about you? Who even knows if you're being honest? That just proves the point anyway, it's gone full waifu-pandering for otaku nerds.

>b-but i don't like it
Yet you're here defending it. Fuck off.

>It doesn't matter if 3.0+1.0 makes a 180, it's been otaku pandering for 20+ years
That would be like calling Mulholland Drive a “Hollywood wish fulfillment fantasy” and claiming that the third act doesn’t change this at all

I keep pointing out that you are completely wrong about the Rebuilds. Constantly insisting they're something they aren't doesn't make it any more convincing. You could have pivoted into how the merchandise and spin-offs are pandering as fuck and force me to give you ground, but you didn't even take this obvious route. Backing this up with massively overreaching armchair psychology isn't going to make being wrong any more convincing.

Anno literally made a film about how being obsessed with Eva is immature and you somehow class this as pandering. You are the delusional one, and you are far less intelligent or insightful than you think you are.

I've made the same point several times, and none of you have actually responded with anything other than re-asserting the already disproven point, so I will only do this one more time:
The Rebuilds aren't waifu-filled pandering stories. When Shinji does exactly what you think the Rebuilds are offering - grabs his waifu into a little fantasy world - it destroys the world and makes everyone hate Shinji and Anno spends an entire film explaining how wrong it was for him to do that. The fact that the films, which have much less screentime than the show, focus primarily on Shinji's flaws does not make the other characters waifus. The show already established that Asuka is arrogant to hide her insecurities, Misato is a lonely alcoholic, and that Rei isn't even really human, so we don't need to be told that again.

You're both delusional, and incapable of basic narrative comprehension. Now equate understanding the basic premise of the Rebuild films with obsession one last time, reassert that I'm an otaku obsessed with the Rebuilds because it panders to my favourite waifu or whatever, and fuck the fuck off.

Here, have another picture of Asuka. Feel free to use it as a cheap excuse to call me a waifufag.

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Irrelevant strawman. Fuck off.

>Yet you're here defending it. Fuck off.
i'm the guy who said it buchered her characterization not the one saying the rebuilds are anti-otaku, calm down user.

>strawman
Lel

Look, I'll make this easy for you.
There's reality, and there's what you are peddling.

In reality, otaku fucks obsess about the Rebuild story. What you're selling is that somehow, the Rebuilds criticize otaku.

Real life, what you're saying. Get it?

If the Rebuild aren't waifu pandering stories, and they're about what you say - then why do only waifufags love them?

Check mate. It's really that simple. Your pathetic, wall of text really falls apart that easy.

>then why do only waifufags love them?
Because they are the only ones dumb enough to take the bait as obvious as it is

You do realize you're pretty much proving yourself wrong here? For one, you seem to know exactly what they're saying, that the Rebuilds and Anno indeed make a fuckload of pandering shit:
>You could have pivoted into how the merchandise and spin-offs are pandering as fuck and force me to give you ground
and you know this, so why would they bring it up? The problem is that you really are that dishonest and defensive, to the point where you know you're wrong and you know there are arguments that fuck you over, but you play ignorant until they're mentioned. Classic otaku behavior.
and no, Anno did not do this:
>Anno literally made a film about how being obsessed with Eva is immature
he made a film where his favorite characters are super-powered, a series of films filled with action nonsense, and the end result is that the OTAKU whom are obsessed with EVA, are making that point. See the contradiction here?

You're an otaku, here defending the fuck out of it using lies, deception that everyone can see straight through. Like the aforementioned feigned ignorance, you pretend there "was no other way" due to "limited screentime". You fail to realize or try to hide the fact that Anno, being the director, is in full and complete control over the franchise and can apply as much screentime as he wants over how many movies he wants. Those restrictions do not exist.

Anno CHOSE to spend his time on mari and asuka fighting and kaworu being gay. Shinji has no character, he's the main character only insofar he's named the main character. His "story" is entirely irrelevant in the setting he's made except as in some isekai-ish wishfulfilment nonsense.

Simple as that.

The guy I replied took the bait. If that's you, then you or he genuinely thinks the Rebuild is something more than Anno's wankfest.

That's the point, Rebuild is for otaku and waifushitters. Anno isn't trying to be critical, he's giving otkau exactly what they want, asuka and kaworu pandering, and those asuka and kaworu fans are trying to defend it by pretending Anno i s "critical".

It's the ironic shitposting defense.

one of the more beautiful moments in anime history

He's just trying to be inclusive. He knows that spics have money (not much, but enough to line his pockets) and that kneegrows have (a litty bitty money) each of which make him rich enough.

based gook moot

weebs eternally btfo

hownew.ru

You haven't acknowledged the content of the films even once. You've failed to do so because it would unravel your entire argument.

In 3.0 Shinji wakes up to find the world has moved on whilst he's been stuck in his fantasy land with Rei. He tries to solve his problems by doing what he always does - pilot Eva, trigger an Impact - but everyone tries to stop him, saying that he can't solve all his problems by constantly going back to the Eva and Impact events. He tries to do it anyway and it makes things even worse, and the film ends with him stuck having to solve his problems without an Eva. TL;DR: Otaku shouldn't solve their problems by living in a fantasy world they cope with using Eva. You have to go outside.

You are the one who is detached from reality. In reality, you'd actually like and agree with 3.0 if you weren't so stupid.

>The end result is that the OTAKU who are obsessed with EVA, are making that point. See the contradiction here?
You keep equating understanding the basic premise with obsession. I like Eva, I liked it a lot when I was a teenager, but now it's just a series I like. Of course, there is literally nothing I can produce on here to show that, so you'll just keep asserting I'm an overweight NEET weeaboo, and we'll keep going round in circles until I stop responding and you'll take that as proof that I'm an Otaku. We've clearly said everything we're going to say to each other.

I had to feed you a decent argument and that makes me dishonest? The merchandise and spin-offs surrounding Eva have always been pandering, and that has always been a legitimate issue which is detrimental to the actual show and the Rebuilds. If you had simply said this I would have agreed with you. When you made the point earlier that Eva trying to get Otaku to deal with reality through Asuka's character only made them retreat into a different kind of fantasy I agreed this was an issue and a failing of the show. I am not saying that Eva or Rebuild is perfect, I'm just talking about their basic fucking premise.

Even when I said that all you're going to do is reassert that it's waifu pandering and indulge in armchair psychology that's all you fucking do.

This.

Me on the left
You on the right

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For fucks sake you massive faggots can't we all just jerk off over our waifus like gentlemen and not be such little bitches reeing about "ze otakus!1!"
Why does there have to be such massive aggro over this shit. Chill out.

See this:
>In 3.0 Shinji wakes up to find the world has moved on whilst he's been stuck in his fantasy land with Rei. He tries to solve his problems by doing what he always does - pilot Eva, trigger an Impact - but everyone tries to stop him, saying that he can't solve all his problems by constantly going back to the Eva and Impact events. He tries to do it anyway and it makes things even worse, and the film ends with him stuck having to solve his problems without an Eva. TL;DR: Otaku shouldn't solve their problems by living in a fantasy world they cope with using Eva. You have to go outside.
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This is cope. Said "fantasy land" doesn't exist. The fantasy land that is the Rebuild world however, does, and is on-screen. Said fantasy land is filled with flying battleships, waifus piloting mecha, and so on and on. Shinji's actions here are irrelevant and are largely played out as irrelevant - the character itself being ignorant of everything whilst the plot is incomperhensibly moved along by the waifu-characters around him.

In the real, very real world, otaku watch this and love this. You love this. The rest, without any inclination towards this - shrug at it's stupidity and move on. So take your own advice. Stop obsessing about Eva, and move on.

The basic premise of the Rebuilds is to promote Anno's favorite characters. Which it is doing well, unlike being some grand anti-otaku statement.

Nah man. You've misunderstood the whole thing. Rebuild is not hard to get. The writers is the same man as the guy who wrote the original. His favorite character is Asuka, who wasn't as popular as Rei. Anno is very critical of Rei for this reason. You know, the audience choosing Rei over Asuka.

So what happens in Rebuild?

Shinji tries to save Rei, but failed to save Asuka earlier. What happens next? Well everything is ruined, everyone hates Shinji, and they for some reason blame the world ending that SEELE manufactured along with Gendo on him. Rei is gone, and the movie heavyhandedly places the "cause" as Shinji saving Rei.

So to recap, Shinji saving Rei was bad, and Asuka and the rest are lecturing him about it.

It doesn't take a genius to see what's going on here. This is maximum otaku pandering, it's a selfish revenge fantasy as enacted by the director.

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>The basic premise of the Rebuilds is to promote Anno's favorite characters.
>this is cope
>Shinji's actions here are irrelevant and are largely played out as irrelevant
>In the real, very real world, otaku watch this and love this.
Prove it

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It's more that you're wrong about the content of the series. You're ignoring how every aspect of Anno's favorite, Asuka, has been rewritten into a positive note, whereas the characters Anno does not favor, are written into near-villains.

In 3.0 especially you see this come out fully. Asuka is a space-fighter with super strength, and the rest are thrown aside. This is indistinguishable from some revenge fanfiction written on the internet by bitter otaku who didn't get what they wanted from NGE. Anno is there serving it to them.
The whole premise you've laid out, e.g "Shinji doing this or that" won't work out and can't make the point you claim, as Shinji is at every turn completely ignorant of the situation, being overtly kept in the dark. It invalidates the entire point as now Shinji can be substituted by ANY person or type of personality and you'd get the same result.

It's logically, narratively and thematically impossible for the Rebuilds to be even close to what you suggest, which is why you have to lie about e.g "everyone telling Shinji to not do it", while in fact there were characters and people telling him to go ahead. Both in 2.0 and 3.0.

You being an otaku, can't accept that the pandering you got from these movies are just that , pandering, and try to legitimize it. It's plain as day dude.

No argument I see.

Soon

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>The basic premise of the Rebuilds is to promote Anno's favorite characters.
The Rebuilds promote Anno's favorite characters, they're portrayed as stronger and more moral than in the original. Things that were their fault, no longer are, and so on.

>this is cope
It's "cope" because the Rebuild-fanboy is making up shit that didn't happen to strengthen his argument, e.g "a fantasy-land". It's just desperate.

>Shinji's actions here are irrelevant and are largely played out as irrelevant
Pretty much. The story moved on beyond his personal agency and implies he has none as he's being constantly manipulated by forces so strong, that Shinji's entire person is switchable. At this point he's a plot device. With the conspiracy going back decades and millenia, this being a "looping cycle", and pretty much Shinji being wiped clean in terms of knowledge of the world, there's nothing Shinji can really do or not that'll have an impact.

>In the real, very real world, otaku watch this and love this.
You're defending it, aren't you?

Holy shit you just keep doing it. You keep ignoring what I'm saying and just say the same repeatedly disproven thing over and over. Having action scenes and robots doesn't make it an Otaku fantasy. Having female characters who pilot robots doesn't make it an otaku fantasy.

>Shinji's actions here are irrelevant and are largely played out as irrelevant
>Nearly ends the world twice of his own free will.
Nothing you're saying is related to Rebuild.

>Stop obsessing about Eva, and move on.
If I don't respond to you you get to declare you're right, if I do respond you get to declare you're right because that means I'm obsessed. Either way, you get to declare you're right without actually making an argument that has any connection with the films.

Shinji screams that he doesn't care about the world, or anything else, and that he just wants Rei whilst trying to save her. The fact is that the world everyone is living in is the world that Shinji wanted to live in - Shinji wanted everything except Rei and him to go away and that's very nearly exactly what happened. The fact that the situation in which he did this was orchestrated by Seele and Gendo doesn't change the fact that it is what Shinji wanted.

Dude, read and understand these:
As long as the Rebuilds significantly pander to fans of the waifu characters, it cannot logically or thematically rebuke otaku.

Even if it TRIED to be critical (which I don't believe), it would be like creating a health-campaign by promoting the most unhealthy food you could possibly make. The Rebuilds are just mcdonalds, and it doesn't matter one bit if they offer a mcsalad. It doesn't change what they are.

>Having action scenes and robots doesn't make it an Otaku fantasy. Having female characters who pilot robots doesn't make it an otaku fantasy.

Having only that, which is what the Rebuild series is, makes it that. It's over, you lost nerd. Move on. The fact that you're an adult defending a cartoon made for children is absolute proof that you're wrong. It's for manchildren and your existence proves that.

Yeah, no. That's projecting.
>Shinji screams that he doesn't care about the world, or anything else, and that he just wants Rei whilst trying to save her. The fact is that the world everyone is living in is the world that Shinji wanted to live in - Shinji wanted everything except Rei and him to go away and that's very nearly exactly what happened.

This makes no fucking sense and ignores the entire story up until that point. See Creating a story where you demonize two characters, while simultaneously promoting other characters, which conveniently is the director's favorite - is the ultimate form of pandering, self-pandering. If you don't see the obvious play here you're downright stupid.

So let's go over this.

Anno, an Asuka fan, who was upset at Rei's popularity, created a scenario where Shinji saves Rei, and then associates this with only bad things happening in the non-sequiteur of the century? So he can take pot-shots at Rei and Shinji like in pic related?

You're seeing this from a too narrow perspective. For one the indictment of Shinji doesn't make sense, as you're attributing wishes and intent that he never had, which can be referred to in 3.0, and in 2.0.

That he, in the heat of the moment, exclaimed that he'd save Rei no matter what, and to quote him in ful, with context:
>Ritsuko: No, don't do it Shinji, it's dangerous as you won't be able to return to humanity!
>Shinji: I don't care about myself. I don't care about the world, but at the very least, I'll save Ayanami!
>Misato: Do it Shinji! Do it for yourself!

which isn't nefarious or even bad. It's a child trying to save what arguably is his best friend, after having just lost another friend earlier. Add to the mix that Shinji had no idea that he was doing anything else but putting himself at risk, and that he was saving Rei, and you've got one hell of a retarded assumption from you.

The whole "ReEBuiDL is a CRiTIcISM of OtAKU" doesn't work. Not when you have characters like Kaworu or Asuka being rewritten to being 10x more otaku-friendly. You can't have both, and in this situation, you have butthurt otaku writers peddling their own waifu war. You don't get more otaku-friendly than that.

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>anti otaku
I honestly do not understand what makes people think this about Eva
Kensuke, the most well adjusted and supportive of Shinjis friends, is a straight up military otaku.

See this Asuka fan guy in the thread defending the Rebuilds?

He's an otaku. He's insecure and filled with self-hatred, his obsession with Eva embarasses him.
So what doe he do? He says Eva is anti-otaku. That way, for enjoying Eva, he can make himself out to also be anti-otaku and "above" otakudom.

That's why people say a series loved by otaku world-wide is anti-otaku.

>He's an otaku
You haven't actually proven that hon.

He's here, and he's defending the Rebuild isn't he?

(You)

Imagine being this retarded.

Rebuild is as pro-otaku as you get. Normies and the big crowds wants to save Rei. You know who wouldn't want to see Rei saved? Otaku who have a grudge against a fictional character, that's who.

Use your brain.

Can we stop talking about Waifus and get back to the show please, if I wanted to talk about Waifus I would go to Yea Forums

I can't really respond to anyone at this point, since you've set it up so that me arguing = invalid and childish, but you arguing = valid and normal, but I'll give it one more go.

I'm just going to entirely side-step the argument that Anno has spent 10+ years and set up an entire animation studio just to stick it people who like Rei more than Asuka, since that is a significantly larger reach than anything I've said. He consistently gives Rei a sympathetic portrayal and she is shown to be strong-willed and capable. The doll-like version of her in 3.0 only serves to paint the real Rei in an even more positive light.

The fact that the characters are less flawed than in the original, too, doesn't make it pandering. Going deeper into Asuka's mental state and flaws in 3.0 would have been good, and I don't even disagree that it's something they should have done. Kaworu is essentially gay space Jesus, so him being flawless means nothing. Hopefully, they dig into Asuka's character more in 3.0+1.0.

The quotes you provided prove my point, though: Shinji wanted exactly what I said he wanted. The fact he didn't consciously choose to end the world is separate to the fact that the world became what he wanted it to be. It's just like at the end of the original series: during Instrumentality Shinji wishes to retreat from everyone to a safe haven where no one can hurt him, and he's confronted with it. When he asks where he is, he's told that he's in the world that he wished for. He didn't consciously create it then, either, but it's still a valid dramatic device to explore the wishes of his character.

I've said it once and I'll say it again: that's what 3.0 is about. You can think it's flawed, or hypocritical, and I wouldn't even entirely disagree. But it is about that very phenomena. I'm pretty sure I can find the interview where he references this, but I will simply get called obsessed and the point will be ignored, so I won't bother.

The extent of knowledge he has, and the fact that he's writing these walls of text unequivocally proves he's an otaku.

>I've said it once and I'll say it again: that's what 3.0 is about. You can think it's flawed, or hypocritical, and I wouldn't even entirely disagree. But it is about that very phenomena. I'm pretty sure I can find the interview where he references this, but I will simply get called obsessed and the point will be ignored, so I won't bother.

So you've got no counter. I expected this, you know, otaku-dude.

>I can't really respond to anyone at this point, since you've set it up so that me arguing = invalid and childish, but you arguing = valid and normal, but I'll give it one more go.
Only the points you are making are invalid and childish.

>I'm just going to entirely side-step the argument that Anno has spent 10+ years and set up an entire animation studio just to stick it people who like Rei more than Asuka,
Then you're also side-stepping the ability to actually make any counter-argument. Like it or not, Anno has done exactly that. By this alone, your arguments are void.

>He consistently gives Rei a sympathetic portrayal and she is shown to be strong-willed and capable. The doll-like version of her in 3.0 only serves to paint the real Rei in an even more positive light.
Also wrong. Portraying someone weakly does not portray strength, this is a contradiction that makes you seem insane.

>The fact that the characters are less flawed than in the original, too, doesn't make it pandering. Going deeper into Asuka's mental state and flaws in 3.0 would have been good, and I don't even disagree that it's something they should have done. Kaworu is essentially gay space Jesus, so him being flawless means nothing. Hopefully, they dig into Asuka's character more in 3.0+1.0.

In other words, you're wrong but won't admit it. They've provided the pandering the otaku craved. This does make it pandering. You should admit to this.

>Shinji wanted exactly what I said he wanted. The fact he didn't consciously choose to end the world is separate to the fact that the world became what he wanted it to be. It's just like at the end of the original series:
Again you prove yourself wrong. By the end of the original, Shinji was aware, and secondly he was broken down at the point. Not the case in the Rebuilds.

Shinji actively, clearly chose death in the original, while in 3.33 it was the unintended consequence that to this day, does not add up.

Out of all of the characters in NGE, Maya is the one i felt most bad for. She deserved a happier life.

People keep making a similar argument so I'll just address it here: the thing that 3.0 is critical of isn't saving Rei - they'll probably do that in 3.0+1.0 anyway - it's how and why he chose to save her, and what that reveals about who Shinji is as a person. It's very similar to what happened at the end of NGE and in EoE. In those, it wasn't his fault the world ended, but it was still the manifestation of his deepest wish at that moment.

Ultimately, nobody is going to listen to me since everyone here can only filter Eva through waifus and the fact that has Rebuild has action set pieces, so it doesn't matter.

I'm not an Otaku, I'm someone who had an Eva phase a few years ago who hasn't posted about it for years until this shitty thread. I have a stable, rewarding job, a decent social life, and mostly read books and watch Western TV now (Yes, I said Western, but how else can I make the distinction?). Of course, we're all just text boxes so I can be whatever you want, and you can portray me as anything you like and pass it off as insight.

My counter is the fucking movie you oaf.

I gets no meanie GF Asuka to make fun of me when she cant regulate her emotions, why live?

That's pretty retarded circular logic little man.

>Yea Forums is shit and discussion is impossible
Who knew

How so?

>he thing that 3.0 is critical of isn't saving Rei - they'll probably do that in 3.0+1.0 anywa
See It pretty much says "that was the cause". It doesn't help to say "but it was the way she was saved", because the character that does the saving is blissfully ignorant of any other way, and is being cheered on. Essentially it's saying he did the right thing for the wrong reason, therefore it ended up being bad.

I hope you understand how retarded you sound.

How is this anime thread still up?

These are the words of an actual cocksucking faggot

You're an otaku and you probably have asbergers given you talk.

See, your self-denial is what gives you away.

>Then you're also side-stepping the ability to actually make any counter-argument. Like it or not, Anno has done exactly that. By this alone, your arguments are void.
You know what? I literally do not have a counter-argument to the premise that Anno set up an entire animation studio to stick it to Reifags. You got me.

>Also wrong. Portraying someone weakly does not portray strength, this is a contradiction that makes you seem insane.
Fucking what? Weak? Did you not see her face down Ramiel? Did you not see her launch that fucking N2 mine at Zeruel in a heroic last-ditch attempt to save everyone? Her decision to stay inside Zeruel wasn't a weakness, either - she simply felt she didn't belong among human beings. That's a flaw, or a character trait, not a weakness.

>In other words, you're wrong but won't admit it. They've provided the pandering the otaku craved. This does make it pandering. You should admit to this.
A film that's already busy failing to include a subplot that delves into Asuka's personality =/= pandering. It's a flaw in the movie, not pandering.

>Again you prove yourself wrong. By the end of the original, Shinji was aware, and secondly he was broken down at the point. Not the case in the Rebuilds.
Shinji was broken down in 3.0 as well. He wanders down that corridor tripping the fuck out to all the voices of the people he's failed and who hate him. He broke down in both films. Secondly, 3.0 isn't the end of the series, 3.0+1.0 is - if Shinji's going to become aware and redeem himself he'll do it in the final movie. EoE is the final part of the original series so it covers both his collapse and his climb out of it.

yes yes yes hello i am here to RESPONDDDDDD to the following
>anime vs netflix arguement
NOW the say i see it you are posting about an anime so it shoudl be in the anime board even though the anime you are mentionening is on the anime streaming service known as netflix it is still an anime BELONGINNNGGGGGG in the anime board so move this anime discussion over to the anime board with other anime discussions

i trust the matter is now settled and you creepy little wimps can fuck off

don't @ me either cowards

No one but an otaku would spend this much time sperging about how Anno is anti-otaku. Non-otaku don't give a shit.

But they clearly do because they're arguing right alongside me?

Seriously?

No one said they weren't otaku. They're just not in denial about it.

Only an otaku would care so much about proving someone else an otaku

yikes and oof-piled

Either way, Rei is probably the only one who comes close to love Shinji unconditionally second to Kaworu.

>You know what? I literally do not have a counter-argument to the premise that Anno set up an entire animation studio to stick it to Reifags. You got me.
You're exagerrating, but that's pretty much what he used the studio he set up for. Don't use strawmen.

>Fucking what? Weak? Did you not see her face down Ramiel? Did you not see her launch that fucking N2 mine at Zeruel in a heroic last-ditch attempt to save everyone? Her decision to stay inside Zeruel wasn't a weakness, either - she simply felt she didn't belong among human beings. That's a flaw, or a character trait, not a weakness.

Now compare with the original. Rei also faced down Ramiel, but actually succeeded in breaking it's AT-field. Then Rei didn't get swallowed originally, and did not need to be saved. See where this is going?
Now compare with other characters, where Asuka becomes stronger, literally, and Kaworu now comes down from the fucking moon and eats up 1/4th of the story. This is about relative strength, and looking at how 3.0 did Rei in... yeah.
In the light of Anno hating Rei and liking Asuka and Kaworu, these changes cannot be ignored or treated as coincidental.

>A film that's already busy failing to include a subplot that delves into Asuka's personality =/= pandering. It's a flaw in the movie, not pandering.
It's the removal of a flaw which the fanboys hate, and thus it's pandering. It's a flaw in the movie for sure, as well. The pandering caused a flaw.

>Shinji was broken down in 3.0 as well.
Incorrect. The "impact" happens in 2.0, 3.0 is post-impact. Therefore your point is moot.

>Secondly, 3.0 isn't the end of the series, 3.0+1.0 is - if Shinji's going to become aware and redeem himsel
Also wrong. The problem is that Shinji has nothing to redeem nor any way to do so that isn't magic being provided to him. Rebuild made every flaw and wrongdoing the efforts of unseen powers. It's like requiring that Josef in Kafka's the Trial is to redeem himself.

Not impossible.

>no argument
Seriously?

>You're exagerrating, but that's pretty much what he used the studio he set up for.
Prove it faggot

1. Rei loves Shinji conditionally. Shinji was dirt to her until he showed he had some balls and showed he cared for her.
2. Kaworu doesn't know "love" and whatever he calls love, is pretty much the same as hatred judging by the results.

>You want a dom who you battle with. That's more excitement.
I'm not saying a total submissive is a better choice, but you don't know what it's like to have someone to 'battle with'. The closest is probably Olivia Soprano, man those types of women are total asshole bitches that will wear you down.

>no argument
>has offered no arguments the entire thread besides conjecture
It is to laugh.

Proof is in the pudding. His studio consequently downgrades Rei ref. NGE, and upgrades Asuka.

Anno's works are virtually indistinguishable from works found on fanfiction.net

>Not impossible
So you're admitting you're a loser then

>thread about a film
>Yea Forums: Television and Film
Retard

>has no argument
>dismisses actual arguments as conjecture
and, you're out.

>no proof
>just a seething reifag
It's starting to become clear

He just gave you the proof. What more could you want?

>you're an otaku cos I say so
>an argument
Dear me

Khara was made to make Rebuild according to Anno, right?

Well what is Rebuild really? Look at how Rei played out, she's less involved and active than in the original, she's comparatively weak, and the punchline of the story is that Shinji shouldn't have saved Rei. Since he hasn't done anything else with the IP, then that's proof enough for me.

>reading a mango
nigga...

>anno is mean to my waifu nos
isn't fucking proof and stop samefagging.

she's a far more central character than Asuka what are you on about.

>Fucking what? Weak? Did you not see her face down Ramiel? Did you not see her launch that fucking N2 mine at Zeruel in a heroic last-ditch attempt to save everyone?
But Rei did that in NGE, only in NGE she actually got through to Zeruel. By that time Rei had also gotten a flashier EVA, while in Rebuild she's stuck with the orange one.

>Her decision to stay inside Zeruel wasn't a weakness, either - she simply felt she didn't belong among human beings. That's a flaw, or a character trait, not a weakness.
Yeah, this also too is a direct downgrade, Rei wasn't inside some Angel in the original

No matter how you look at it, this is a step down.

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1. Not samefagging
2. If the point was that Anno was being mean to "his waifu", then pointing out where and such would constitute proof.

It's not that hard.

>You're exagerrating, but that's pretty much what he used the studio he set up for. Don't use strawmen.
The irony.

>Now compare with the original...Treated as coincidental.
She got eaten...By a Zeruel that was canonically way, WAY stronger than the TV show version though? They literally draw attention to it when it blows through all however-many layers of armor central dogma has in one go, whereas it only blew through a few at once in the show. She fought a way harder battle and lost. That does not make her weak.

The Rei in 3.0 highlights how good real-Rei's character is though. Everyone says that Rei is just a doll, but when Shinji meets a Rei that really is just a doll (ie 3.0 Rei) it highlights how untrue that is. I'm starting to realise I've wasted all this time arguing with nothing but a delusional waifufag.

>It's the removal of a flaw which the fanboys hate, and thus it's pandering. It's a flaw in the movie for sure, as well. The pandering caused a flaw.
Your argument style is to assert something with no connection to the films (I keep referencing specific scenes or lines), then when I counter it you make the same argument in a slightly different way. Rinse repeat. I'm getting bored of it now. Focusing on Shinji =/= pandering with Asuka.

>Incorrect. The "impact" happens in 2.0, 3.0 is post-impact. Therefore your point is moot.
I was talking about the breakdown he had in 3.0, obviously. And he was clearly losing his shit in 2.0 as well. He actively chose to be alone with Rei, in the same way he actively chose to die in EoE. In both, the world has to deal with his decision.

>Also wrong. The problem is that Shinji has nothing to redeem nor any way to do so that isn't magic being provided to him. Rebuild made every flaw and wrongdoing the efforts of unseen powers. It's like requiring that Josef in Kafka's the Trial is to redeem himself.
That is equally as true of NGE as it is Rebuild. Shinji is actively manipulated in both.

Yeah that's the point being made innit?

Wasn't Rei always more central? The point being made is clearly that Rei is comparatively weaker and far lesser as a... well being at all in the Rebuilds.

The opposite is true. Anno says one of his biggest regrets with NGE is that he had nothing for Rei to do in the middle portion of the show. He addressed this in 2.0 by having her try to get Gendo and Shinji to eat together, so she is actually more active and involved in Rebuild, and more likeable.

I can't believe that this all literally just boils down to you being a waifufag. That's why you won't listen to anything I'm saying. You literally can't see anything outside of how many big moments Rei gets.

>The irony.
No irony here, kid.

>She got eaten...By a Zeruel that was canonically way, WAY stronger than the TV show version though? They literally draw attention to it when it blows through all however-many layers of armor central dogma has in one go, whereas it only blew through a few at once in the show. She fought a way harder battle and lost. That does not make her weak.

It does though. Where you had some success, you have less. The original Zeruel did the same thing.

>The Rei in 3.0 highlights how good real-Rei's character is though. Everyone says that Rei is just a doll, but when Shinji meets a Rei that really is just a doll (ie 3.0 Rei) it highlights how untrue that is. I'm starting to realise I've wasted all this time arguing with nothing but a delusional waifufag.
You're the delusional waifufag here. Rei in 3.0 wasn't there in NGE, and making more "Reis" weakens the character. This is just writing 101.

>Focusing on Shinji =/= pandering with Asuka.
Providing pandering scenes = pandering with Asuka.
>I was talking about the breakdown he had in 3.0, obviously.
and so invalidated your own argument, as the impact happened in 2.0.

>That is equally as true of NGE as it is Rebuild. Shinji is actively manipulated in both.
Wrong, Shinji is not part of a major plan which hinges on him in the original.

1. Very easily proven, I can see you haven't given any
2. That's not the point though. Keep the fuck up love. Your criticism that the Rebuilds are bad and solely for Otakus are solely based on your childish attachment to your precious waifu and how Anno isn't treating her with the due respect exposing yourself as a pathetic otaku which by your logic means you should love the rebuilds.

>Anno says one of his biggest regrets with NGE is that he had nothing for Rei to do in the middle portion of the show.
This is not true.

>He addressed this in 2.0 by having her try to get Gendo and Shinji to eat together, so she is actually more active and involved in Rebuild, and more likeable.
Also not true.

>I can't believe that this all literally just boils down to you being a waifufag. That's why you won't listen to anything I'm saying. You literally can't see anything outside of how many big moments Rei gets.
Not really, you're a waifufag yourself who enjoy Asuka getting more pandering and Rei getting not.

Thus proving my thesis, Rebuild is pandering.

1. Accusing of samefag is just you coping with losing.
2. That is the point. It's not my criticism and my sole point is that you've gotten your proof and you're butthurt about it.

You are illiterate
Rei is as central as she ever was true but Asuka is far more marginal than she was in the series which disproves the idea the Anno remade them to bump up his favourite girl

God I hate you Eva fans

I don't care about the Rebuilds, I just want the last one to come out already so waifufags like the one ITT can get Anno'd again like it happened when episodes 25 and 26 aired. Anno doesn't give a shit about your waifus and he's just elevating Asuka so asukafags can suffer the most when her fall happens. Reifags are also trash btw. Any waifufag is cancer.

1. So you are samefagging or you'd have taken a screenshot by now
2. What you've written here makes no sense. No coherent point has been made, no proof has been given. Retard or troll, genuinely curious?

You just proved yourself wrong here though. Your negative view of Rei simply exposes you as otaku who don't like Rei, and thus defend the Rebuild series. Exactly as the user predicted.
Even though on an objective level, Rei is presented as far lesser than the original, whilst being juxtaposed to Asuka and Kaworu who are relatively souped up. Because Rebuild lacks and working plot or story three quarters into itself, that it has no direction yet still provides otaku with ample waifubait cannot be ignored.

How can we ignore it?

>waaaaaah

1. Cope. If you weren't a newfag you'd know why it's pointless.
2. The point has been made several times, you just don't acknowledge it. You've seen EVA too, you should know it too.

The comparison has been made a few times if you just ctrl+f Rei or Asuka or Anno here.
Of the top of my head, Asuka's flaws have been removed, e.g her lust for Kaji as well as her deteriorating EVA skill. In the opposite direction for Rei, she lacks any self-conscious reflection, seems irresponsible and impotent, and is now the subject of being saved rather than saving. The characters have in many ways been reversed.

There's your proof.

No? Asuka in the original was a trainwreck, and her not being a trainwreck any more is Anno bumping up his favorite girl.

Not him, but calm your mental gymnastics, brainlet. The rebuilds are trash because they are unecessary kitsch repeats of a solid show that actually did the right thing and encourages people not to obsess with it. The rebuids offer no addition to the therapeutic story of Evangelion, and instead invites the audience to worry about release after release of some shiny marketable anime franchise

This post was written in a very garbled manner, I presume (and hope) in a frenzied haste.
>Your negative view of Rei
I have no negative view of Rei. Mere projection on your part and as such can be discounted along with the rest of this point
>asuka is souped up
In what way is she souped up. Details please
>Because Rebuild lacks and working plot or story three quarters into itself,
Rewrite, this is incoherent
>that it has no direction yet still provides otaku with ample waifubait cannot be ignored.
You could say the exact same thing about the series three quarters of the way through. Was the series solely for otaku too?

Asuka or Rei? Sorry friend but I won't devolve myself banal waifu quarreling.

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Why do you have to be like this Asukafag?

Do you really need to be reminded who and what Asuka is? Originally, Asuka was a failing basket case that eventually tries suicide because she can't pilot her EVA.

In the Rebuilds, Anno gifted her with eternal youth, super strength and more action scenes than any other character so far.

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I've only just realised you don't actually understand Eva at all. I wish I'd realised sooner so I could have not had this argument at all.

>It does though. Where you had some success, you have less. The original Zeruel did the same thing.
Zeruel. In. Rebuild. Is. Canonically. Much. Stronger.

Also, don't say "Writing 101" at me when "Writing 101" would include "Focus on writing a good story, not on worrying which female character gets the nicest treatment."

>You're the delusional waifufag here. Rei in 3.0 wasn't there in NGE, and making more "Reis" weakens the character. This is just writing 101.
There were three Rei's in NGE, four if you allow that Rei at the end of EoE is a different Rei. You are delusional.

>and so invalidated your own argument, as the impact happened in 2.0.
You are just showing that you have no idea what's going on. There was a very clear Impact event in 3.0. That is so blatant I just..Fuck, man. They literally say the DSS Choker will trigger if Shinji initiates an Impact. It activated.

I genuinely can't believe that this literally just boils down to you being a waifufag. I thought you had actual issues with Rebuild, but it's literally just your butthurt.

This guy got it in one.

But I like Rei and don't give a shit about waifufaggotry. Rei's a great character. You literally can only process shows in terms of how they make you feel about the females in them, can't you?

Your argument keeps coming back to "You don't care that Rei doesn't get pandered to in Rebuild, therefore YOU are the waifufag." I'm pathetic for being a grown-ass adult who argued with a stranger about a cartoon, but at least I'm not you

You lack reading comprehension, and you're butthurt.

>In what way is she souped up. Details please
Given literal super strength for one?
Going from someone useless to someone useful?

>Rewrite, this is incoherent
It's coherent if you're not ESL. Three out of four movies are out. Rebuild still lacks any meaning or sensible plot. Easy enough for you? Good.

>You could say the exact same thing about the series three quarters of the way through. Was the series solely for otaku too?
No, you couldn't. By the time we were that far into EVA, the themes had been established and the characters matured enough for a finale.

Not so much in Rebuild.

So?

I prefer mommy.

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Image actually being some retarded waifufag who fails to follow and appreciate a simple suffering character like Rei, while also being so fucking vocal about denying Asuka has mental health issues because of the implication it detracts from her character. Its a fucking show about mental health, retard, pull your head out of your ass and admit the character you're obsessed with has an arc

Evangelion isn't about giving its female characters preferential treatment, and if you think it is you don't understand it.

Rei also does demonstrate self-conscious reflection, eg hosting a dinner party, her reflection on her place in the world during the aquarium scene, her decision to fight Zeruel to protect Shinji, etc.

You don't like how your waifu was treated. That's all this boils down to. Pointing out that the films are different in ways that make total sense from a writing rather than a waifufag perspective is not an argument

You can't just keep accusing other people of being waifufags when you don't have an argument. Everybody else's arguments have been about the show, yours are just "Yeah, well they treated this character nicely but this one meanly!"

You are the problem.

>Zeruel. In. Rebuild. Is. Canonically. Much. Stronger.
...and Rei is at the receiving end. It's a convenient change which puts Rei at a disadvantage. Yet again you've gone nowhere.

>Also, don't say "Writing 101" at me when "Writing 101" would include "Focus on writing a good story, not on worrying which female character gets the nicest treatment."

So far Rebuild is not a good story, and focuses on treating waifus poorly or with care. You just sunk your own argument.

>There were three Rei's in NGE, four if you allow that Rei at the end of EoE is a different Rei. You are delusional.
There was just one REi in NGE. You are delusional.

>You are just showing that you have no idea what's going on. There was a very clear Impact event in 3.0.
No, you're desperate. We were specifically referring to the 2.0 event. In other words you have no rebuttal here.

>I genuinely can't believe that this literally just boils down to you being a waifufag. I thought you had actual issues with Rebuild, but it's literally just your butthurt.
Nah it boils down to you being a waifufag. I'm calling you out on it.

This constitutes the proof you wanted. You may go home now.

You are the problem, waifufag.

>Evangelion isn't about giving its female characters preferential treatment, and if you think it is you don't understand it.

True. Rebuild, however, is. If you think it isn't, you don't understand it.

All these people butthurt over me and I haven't even watched the Rebuilds KEK

Rei is literally the original oversoul of all humanity, and her tacit suffering at the hands of the world and its people is a messianic behavior meant to invoke the way man harms both God and their true intended selves with their actions as a fallen people
Asuka is a deeply lonely and traumatized child who had been staving off her own suicide with an outer shell of insecure dominance and empty pride in bei g an Eva pilot. She sucks at it and tries to kill herself.
Get with the program

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>...and Rei is at the receiving end. It's a convenient change which puts Rei at a disadvantage. Yet again you've gone nowhere.
It's time to stop.

>There was just one REi in NGE. You are delusional.
Rei literally says "I think I'm the third one," after sacrificing herself in ep 23.

>No, you're desperate. We were specifically referring to the 2.0 event. In other words you have no rebuttal here.
"Shinji's only allowed to trigger an Impact if he's suicidal" is an arbritrary line you drew to defend your feelings.

>So far Rebuild is not a good story, and focuses on treating waifus poorly or with care. You just sunk your own argument.
He's admitted that he sees Eva as being about waifus. I win. I'm out. Fuck off.

>Nah it boils down to you being a waifufag. I'm calling you out on it.
You're the one that's spent this entire argument complaining about how Rei or Asuka was treated in Rebuild. You are wrong, you have lost, and you are doing what you have done this entire argument: accuse me of being things I am not because you cannot formulate arguments beyond "This character was treated wrong"

Bitch, I'm the only person I know to have predicted what 3.0 was going to be about years prior to its release. I said since 2.0 first released that the ending was a negative one that 3.0 would criticise, but no one believed me until it finally came out.

>Evangelion isn't about giving its female characters preferential treatment, and if you think it is you don't understand it.
And? No one is suggesting otherwise. Rebuild however goes to great lengths to give Anno's favorites preferential treatment. Case in point, Asuka, Kaworu, both characters Anno speaks glowingly of and are also rewritten to be orders of magnitude stronger.

>Rei also does demonstrate self-conscious reflection, eg hosting a dinner party,
Hosting a dinner party does not demonstrate self-conscious reflection, something like the scene in the original where Rei reflects on her self for a lengthy period would do that.

>You don't like how your waifu was treated. That's all this boils down to.
Wrong. You like how A waifu was treated, e.g Rei, and you defend the Rebuilds because of it.

The analysis of Rebuild is simple: For it to be critical of otaku, it would have to avoid creating waifu characters. With Kaworu and Asuka, they've failed that. Originally these characters served a purpose and had merit beyond being waifus, but not in the Rebuilds.

ANIME WEBSITE

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Best girl

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You can't just keep repeating the same invalid points over and over again. You're done. Get out.

>stop posting a film in the TV and Film board
What

Rei is Rei 3, they show them all together during instrumentality in the End of Eva. There's a naked one, the kid one who made Ritsuko's mom kill herself in that flashback, and then this Rei. Its even more thoroughly explained who is who somewhere but idr

>It's time to stop.
Yeah it is. This is an objective matter. Rebuild rewrote the character and situation where Rei was worse off. You can't deny this.

>Rei literally says "I think I'm the third one," after sacrificing herself in ep 23.
Yes, correct, now what does this mean?

>"Shinji's only allowed to trigger an Impact if he's suicidal" is an arbritrary line you drew to defend your feelings.
No, that nonsense is what you're taking it now because you're worked up. We were referring to 2.0, and that's that.

>He's admitted that he sees Eva as being about waifus. I win. I'm out. Fuck off.
What the fuck?

>You're the one that's spent this entire argument complaining about how Rei or Asuka was treated in Rebuild.
No, I've pointed out a discrepancy, and this discrepancy which is objectively provable, made you go bananas. Your reaction to something casually observable, and something that was noted by the entire audience almost, is in itself evidence of how much of a obsessed otaku you are.

Otherwise, this comparison would not bother you.

What even is this argument about lol

>b-but they're invalid
No argument, you get the fuck out.

Basically Rebuild otaku can't deal with the facts,

>it would have to avoid creating waifu characters.
The original series created waifu characters.

>Bitch, I'm the only person I know to have predicted what 3.0 was going to be about years prior to its release. I said since 2.0 first released that the ending was a negative one that 3.0 would criticise, but no one believed me until it finally came out.

lol no you didn't

1. Prove it
2. There was nothing to predict, you merely hated the ending and wanted it to sour.

Rei and Asuka are having a threesome with user but they're debating who to stick it into first.

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Two sides of fucking losers arguing over nothing

>The original series created waifu characters.
You're leaving out the rest of the argument.

>With Kaworu and Asuka, they've failed that. Originally these characters served a purpose and had merit beyond being waifus, but not in the Rebuilds.

and there you go.

You're too zealous here user, exposed yourself.

>Bitch, I'm the only person I know to have predicted what 3.0 was going to be about years prior to its release. I said since 2.0 first released that the ending was a negative one that 3.0 would criticise, but no one believed me until it finally came out.
Nigger please. I told to people the same shit; that it's unlikely for this to end well. However, not because it made logical sense or there was merit in doing so, but because it would be consistent with what Anno had done earlier.

also

Why are you ignoring the facts here? Rebuild can't be solely critical of otaku if it also panders to them massively.

What constitutes serving a purpose in a fictional narrative?

Where's the proof?

Again, it's too much. You have to be more subtle with these things

Rebuild is like if they made a sequel to the therapy I got twenty years ago, but they made my teeth coming out more detable and my penis falling off stronger because fans complained he was too weak

SINK

>Rei literally says "I think I'm the third one," after sacrificing herself in ep 23.
You realize Rei is reincarnated every time right? That's why she's the third one. That's why every time Rei wakes up she has to consider whether or not she'd died before. It's why Rei retains memories she wouldn't have had if she was a "new" person.
Putting it into context with Rebuild, Rei in 3.0 "not being Rei" or at any rate just existing is a really big downgrade to Rei, and validates everything people have been telling you.

The far more socially adjusted Asuka would get much more jealous if she isn't chosen first. It would be proper to nut inside Asuka first. Then, Rei, being deprived of semen and social norms, would aim to eat the semen out of Asuka's vagina. During that time, you approach Rei from behind and inseminate her too.

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Whatever this means I disagree with it

So hold on.

If the point of Rebuild wasn't to pander, why does it have so much pandering? Plus if the point wasn't to just push Asuka over Rei, why the fuck did it make saving Rei a bad thing again?
Why the hell am I seeing Asuka everywhere in the trailers, why does she apparently have super powers now?

Anyone?

>Asuka
>socially adjusted
Lmao no

I don't see any proof user. Are you really that desperate?

Because that's exactly what it was. What you see here is the Rebuild-babies defending it with denial.

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I dont know why he's insecure about his favorite character being featured on purpose in the remake because the creator likes her

Because it's a stupid anime show for sad eyed pseud incels trying to get rid of its pretentiousness and have some fun

Seriously, riddle me this Rebuild fans:

How come Asuka goes from THIS

While Eva is art, the rebuild is no different from your regular season anime, it's mild and innocuous.

Mentally disturbed or not, Asuka would be far less likely to perform lesbian acts on Rei to obtain sperm. It would be proper to think through how each would respond. Asuka is also very attention-centered, she would dislike being left out for too long. This way neither feels jealous of each other for receiving attention.

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>don't see any proof user. Are you really that desperate?
I love you user, you pathetic little boy, even if you feel no-one else does.

with scerenie this time

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to THIS?

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I’d give those titties a Third Impact if understand my innuendo

Asuka would get insecure and throw a fit immediately, and permanently sour her relationship with the others by trying to avoid addressing that they made her feel sexually insecure, and she will never be able to recover from the shame

I don't know how, all I know is they made a few billions in the process.

OP here. This thread has been so shit, I'm swearing off this website forever. Thanks for showing me the light guys!

See you tomorrow

Well if it's that clear to everyone, why are you even having this discussion?

I watched the Rebuilds a year ago and it's staggeringly different from the series, the story is bonkers and arguably morally reprehensible if it's actually being serious in blaming Shinji for the machinations of everyone else.
On the "favoritism" question then yeah, I do see that Rei who was previously a stalwart philosopher heroine, now being a puppet and totem of ill omen is quite the travesty. Similarly Asuka who was NERV's unwitting puppet that was confined to a hospital bed now being someone who actively fights NERV, is really taking a lot of liberties.

I mean, why rewrite it like this if you weren't just out to pander?

>you probably have asbergers given you talk.
>your self-denial is what gives you away.Kek not him but how retarded can you be to write that without looking at yourself first, Jesus you´re stupid, ayone could say that about anyone

>Asuka would get insecure and throw a fit immediately
Exactly why she must be satisfied first. Rei would be far less likely to behave that way, so Asuka must go first. Then Rei can give Asuka attention as user gives Rei attention, ensuring not only that Asuka receives attention at all times but that she receives attention from both partners, a constant showering of attention from both. After all, user said a threesome. Why mustn't a threesome go in every direction?

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They turned her into a caricature, when they tried to produce more material for otakus.
It's like the new team decided "asuka is a tsudere girl", missing all the nuance.

This is really the elephant in the room isn't it?
If Anno made the Rebuilds with the explicit intent to criticize otaku, would he really make the mistake of souping up otaku-favorites like Kaworu and Asuka? I'm not a master writer but even I can see how that would undermine my whole point.

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It's almost as if the new team (which is really the old team since Anno is in charge) wanted you to like Asuka more right?
Similarly writing Rei out of the story would make you dislike Rei, no?

*splorch*

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Aspie confirmed.

If you put Anno on charge of the Simpsons team you'll not have the same team Eva had.

*splat*

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You're losing your time, no one honestly cares if he's an autistic fuck here, go back to normieweb.

Is there anyone besides that delusional Asuka fan earlier that ACTUALLY thinks Anno isn't writing these Rebuilds just to pander to himself?
I find it really hard to believe he'd rewrite Asuka's entire character to explicitly not like Kaji any more, have the ability for self-reflection and suddenly start 1hit KO'ing angels for any good, plot-related reason.
Likewise I see no reason whatsoever for Rei being written out, rewritten as Yui's clone or even the world ending because Shinji tried to save her.

True, but Anno still directs and calls the shot. It'll look different, but the story and writing will still be his responsibility, since he's the director.

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>True, but Anno still directs and calls the shot. It'll look different, but the story and writing will still be his responsibility, since he's the director.
If it was the same thing, the rebuilds would be similar with the originals.

Mamma mia! Let me go!
Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me!
For me! For meeeeeeeee!

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>posts something retardedd
>calls someone else stupid

What if Anno changed?

Anno is a huge otaku that got butthurt that Rei was more popular than his favorite, Asuka. The Rebuilds are explained 100% if you take this into account when analysing it. Anno would then rewrite the canon such that Rei is less impressive, leaving more room for fans to go for Asuka.

Which is what happened.

Anno made Eva with a purpose in mind
Eva backfired, and created even more otakus
Anno is now trying to destroy Eva

If he was trying to destroy it, why is he giving the otaku he created, specifically Asuka and Kaworu otaku, everything they could ever want?

user did Eva as a critic to Otaku culture, he stated in many interviews that he hates otakus.

He actually didn't, but Eva was critical sure. But the Rebuilds aren't.

Thus, Anno changed.

You don't understand how the otakus were before EVA. There was a basically a single gender that created Otakus, the mecha gender, and Anno tried to destroy it by showing how fucked mechas really are.

>mecha gender
Yeah, I'm not taking you seriously.

Anno is a mecha fanboy and still continues to be one. Why would he destroy it?

Anno has kept the same goal.
He did Eva because he hated otakus and now he's trying to destroy Eva because it backfired and he hates Otakus.

Have you ever read his interviews?

Again, if he's trying to do that, why does he seem to be doing the exact opposite?

The amount of nipples and giant robot fight went up, not down. Explain that?

>implying Asuka isn’t the same fucking way

>why does he seem to be doing the exact opposite
Because you're shortsighted, just read his interviews for once.

>The amount of nipples and giant robot fight went up, not down. Explain that?
If grindark doesn't work, maybe ridicule will.

I'd like someone to answer this.

You can't just write an Eva story, give your favorite characters super-powers and kickass mecha fights, and then deprive the rivals of said characters from anything meaningful or interesting without that being obvious self-pandering.

I have read them, he doesn't say that. Check reddit.com/r/evangelion/comments/7y5d1w/for_those_of_you_who_believe_hideaki_anno_hates/ for instance.

Anno himself is a huge fucking otaku.

>If grindark doesn't work, maybe ridicule will.
It's not ridicule of the subject of ridicule is really enjoying it isn't it?

>You cannot make a ridicule version of something you're trying to destroy.
The rebuilds are bad because they are meant to be bad.

>still no proof
Exactly.

>reddit.com/r/evangelion/comments/7y5d1w/for_those_of_you_who_believe_hideaki_anno_hates/
>www.reddit.com
This explain why you believe made shit about what Anno said.

Sure, but what if they're made for a part of the audience that enjoys it being bad?

It's an actual, factual quote

Do you have more of these? I'm cracking up

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>Sure, but what if my personal otaku fantasy is real?
You've been seeing too much Isekai.

>It's an actual, factual quote
So it must be easy to post it with some context and without a reddit link.

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>Anno himself is a huge fucking otaku.
JFC of course he is. But that doesn't mean he can't criticize otaku culture

It's amazing how waifufags can only interpret things in terms of drooling over cartoon women

It's like a disease, they will even slander a good director for not giving his waifu enough screen time.

This kills the waifufag

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I'm actually the OP
I FUCKING HATE WAIFUFAGS

This is best girl

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>Implying it's not Ramiel.

Maya? Of course