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Another reddit nigger tourist general, kill yourself.

Watched Pastoral: To Die in the Country yesterday. It was way better than I expected.
I thought it was going to be a nonsensical surrealistic film, but it was entertaining, smart, and ended up being surprisingly touching, now that I'm closer to the age Tetrayama was when he made the film than the age of the kid whose memories are explored.
I would recommend reading the biography section of Wikipedia about Terayama before watching. I had no idea he had a theater trope when watching, knowing it would have made the film easier to understand.

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Is this film actually good or is it a Japanese slasher?

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I interpreted it as a film about people being blinded by their sexual desires, I wouldn't really call it a slasher, though there are elements of gore and S/M

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>What's your favourite Japanese film?
Love Exposure, Mindgame, every Ozu

This always struck me as some Obayashi shit, so I never watched it

This is one of my favourite movies ever. Top 5 easily. I watched it knowing nothing, and was a little bit hesitant at first, but it unfolds in such a great way. I really do love Seazer's soundtrack too.

It's ok. Like a posh Guinea Pig.

you mean like a polished turd?

I didnt' like Guinea Pig nor Blind Beast that much, so...

How do I articulate why and why I don't like movies?

Just analyze. Check the parts, check the intention behind the use of those parts, the execution of those intentions, and the synergy that results of the interaction of those parts and intentions. Just observe and tell what you've observed.

analyze, rather than passively watch
read film theory too

The perfect filmmaker doesn't exi-

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hanagatami is overwhelmingly beautiful, by the director of hausu, who was somehow still churning out quality cinema in 2017

the mourning forest is gorgeous if a bit shallow, by probably the only female japanese director i can think of

the taste of tea is a masterpiece of the highest order, it meanders slowly and quietly into one of the most heartfelt moments in a film i've ever seen

ping pong: the animation isn't a film but it's like 200 minutes total so you can bang it out in one sitting if you're patient, and it is the single most moving piece of media i've ever encountered. it's directed by the fellow who did mind game, which is also great, as an user above me mentioned. nothing has affected me as profoundly as this anime has, and i typically don't really care for anime nor sports. there really is nothing in the world like it.

How many of his films are worth watching?

Woman in the Dunes, The Face of Another, Ran, Princess Mononoke, and Harakiri are probably my top 5 favorite Japanese films
I watched Ugetsu and Sansho a while ago and loved them, but for whatever reason I can’t remember much about them. Gotta revisit them

>the mourning forest is gorgeous if a bit shallow
Kawase is the apex of middlebrow. They love her at Cannes, god knows why

>worth watching
All of them. Start with Atman though, it's a classic.

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hey, check out shouwa genroku rakugo shinjuu if you want another amazing anime. ping pong is one of my faves but sgrs is on its own level

Not that user, but Demons is pretty fantastic. He also has a really interesting short film that I can’t remember the name of, but that’s all I’ve seen from him. IIRC he only has a few features

what's /art/'s opinion on pinky violence?

Spirited Away is the perfect movie, prove me wrong

thanks man, never heard of it. really compelling premise, will give it a whirl this weekend.

What's /art/s opinion on the OT of star Wars movies?

It is, although I prefer Princess Mononoke. No shame in loving them, even if they’re the most entry level thing possible they’re still great

The ending is crap and the entire second half has no story.

I don't understand where the "Miyazaki is flawless!" meme comes from. He genuinely can't write a satisfying narrative, his strength is solely in visuals, characters and pacing.

A film that isn't good is a film that isn't quite where the filmmaker wanted it to be. If you don't enjoy a scene think about what it tried to achieve (emotion, theme) and what is missing from it

I personally thought My Neighbor Totoro had one of the worst plots that i've seen

What are you talking about? The second half has a pretty simple narrative but it is a plot.

What’s wrong with the endingn? And not sure what you’re talking about with the second half. I don’t think it’s a great story by any means, but I love the way it’s told

I wouldn’t call it one of the worst plots ever, but I was pretty disappointed by that one

well, they're certainly not arthouse

What’s /art/‘s opinion on Malick’s filmography?
And is On The Silver Globe the most based sci fi of all time?

Gay

His new film looks great

I love Badlands, Days of Heaven, Thin Red Line, and Tree of Life. The New World was okay, haven’t seen To the Wonder or Knight of Cups
I just downloded that, am kinda afraid to watch that it won’t live up to the hype since I just read that it’s unfinished. I loved Possession though

> have not seen [The best Malick and the second best Malick]

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>I just downloded that, am kinda afraid to watch that it won’t live up to the hype since I just read that it’s unfinished.
Same, I'm also reluctant to watch The Magnificent Ambersons because of this

Miyazaki forgot to add another spin to "Chihiro works in the ghosts bath house now" so suddenly the head woman has an evil twin who randomly injures Chihiros friend who she now loves (despite only being a friend before) and turns the baby into a rat for no reason, so Chihiro just goes there, completely without any hindrance, and the evil twin is revealed to be good and everything got resolved without any conflict. It's plot development which has absolutely nothing to do with what happened previously.

The ending is overly convenient, Chihiro just randomly mentions dragon mans name apropo of nothing, everyone is happy and parties over her outsmarting the witch despite most barely knowing her and her relationship with her parents is good now despite them being absent from everything that has happened.

It's obvious he makes the stories up as they go along, which means the structure is significantly weaker than it should be, and the endings are convenient out of nowhere and feel unearned.

Who cares.

I don't know why you think the ending is happy? It's quite melancholic knowing that Chihiro will never see her new friends again. But like said. Who really cares about the plot to a ghibli film.

If you're going to bother with a story, it should at least be decent

good thing the plot to Spirited Away is decent

I agree with this. It’s why I feel Mononoke is his strongest film by far.
It can be a bit jarring when the footage of random poles on escalators starts playing while the voiceover narrates whatever they couldn’t manage to film, but what’s there is absolutely stunning

Watching (and loving) lots of arthouse movies made ke appreciate some mainstream movies/directors even more.

>>What's your favourite Japanese film?
I like All About Lily Chou-Chou.

why's that?

Is female prisoner scorpion pinky?
I really like the first two

might be better to start with something like Throw away your books imo

yes

There are some really interesting (and underrated) mainstream directors.

Dont know, maybe it made me more receptible to the medium. Not having a rigid opinion on what should and shouldnt be done in a movie is a good thing.

Veey true. Are you thinling about someone in particular?

Taratino

Michael Bay, Gore Verbinsky, Zack Snyder (up to a certain point)

Interesting, for me it was Nolan (wich is kind of a strange thing to say, since these two are considered among the best mainstream directors)

>The writer literally just wrote down his daughters nightmares and made a film out of them..

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nolan and kubrick are probably the two directors that made me get into cinema

Is Flesh any good or is it just another Warhol meme?

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I know it’s a bit of a Yea Forums meme, but I genuinely think Nolan is kinda shit. I normally don’t care too much about plot, but the screenwriting in his movies are distractingly awful. It wouldn’t be as much of an issue if his movies didn’t try to come off as far more intelligent than they actually are. When I watch his movies, I’m just too aware that I’m supposed to be impressed and amazed by what I’m watching and it’s a turn off. To be fair, his fans and reputation might contribute to this, but I still think his screenwriting is shit

Nolan isn't bad, but he's clunky as fuck and his flaws are incredibly jarring. The man can't edit to save his own life and, still, he focus most of his movies around concepts that rely a lot on the editing. He's got great intentions, and an admirable ambition, but he's really clumsy.

I don't know why Hanagatami isn't more famous considering Obayashi got a popularity bump on the west thanks to Hausu. It's a WW2 movie made by a veteran director dying from stomach cancer. And the movie happen to be fucking great. It's an artsy distributor wet dream.

I thinks his screenwriting is good, I'm not really interested in that but still, I love his stories (Interstellar though, I cant appreciate that for some reasons). I'm more with this guy and yet I love watching some of his (sometimes pretty jarring) editing work. It's weird and unorthodox, and I love it.

my nigga

Mann, Fincher and Eastwood are the best working today

Eastwood does one take of everything and it shows.

Mann is more avant garde than half the director making the rounds in festivals

false, prove it

true, i hope he gets a new project off the ground soon

is Mann's Vietnam war miniseries in development hell? :imdb.com/title/tt6815648/

hopefully

Is he /ourguy/?

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RUDE !!! RUDE !

It's nothing like a slasher, it's basically a sadomasochistic sex film without actually being pornographic.

Pink eiga in general is great. Plenty of real gens between the sea of cheap skin flicks. Like Glamorous Life of Sachiko Hanai, a Lonely Cow Weeps at Dawn, Wall Lover, Underwater Lover...

no adam, you are not /ourguy/, you have terrible film knowledge, let alone film taste

how about the orgies of edo, is that worth seeing?

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>What's your favourite Japanese film?
Love Hotel.

Ok newfag.

Unironically one of his best films. My love for Ikiru and High and Low is unrivaled though. Mifune's work in High and Low is something to behold.

Try to make friends and go out more frequently user. I'm sure you can be a passable human bean if you will make an effort.

I'm thinking of watching high and low tonight, what am I in for?

One of the best social portraits of Japan after WWII and a noir kino of the highest caliber.

Kino

Why doesn't Kuru /来る have subtitles? Nakashima isn't popular now?

Koreans have the monopoly of subs because the international lobbys to K-pop

>The Topo Gigio movie was on developmental hell
>Then someone at the production heard that Topo Gigio was huge in Japan, the world's second biggest economy
>They hire Kon Ichikawa, that guy from The Burmese Harp, because now he's taking commercial requests. He can bring prestige to the production
>If they only knew what they were doing

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It's like a 8 yeard old that survived Hiroshima having a bad acid trip.

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Takashi Miike's Big Bang Love Juvenile gave me feels. Real gaykino

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Hirozaku Koreeda
>Distance
>Shoplifters
>Still Walking
>Nobody Knows
>Like Father, Like Son

Sion Sono
>Love Exposure
>Noriko's Dinner Table
>Why Don't You Play in Hell?
>The Whispering Star
>Suicide Club
>Tokyo Tribe
>Antiporno
>Himizu

Satoshi Kon
>Millennium Actress
>Tokyo Godfathers
>Paprika

Shunji Iwai
>All About Lily Chou-Chou
>A Bride for Rip Van Winkle
>Hana & Alice

Hayao Miyazaki
>Spirited Away
>The Wind Rises

Nobuhiko Obayashi
>Hanagatami
>Casting Blossoms to the Sky

Makoto Sato
>Memories of Agano
>Self and Others

Masaaki Yuasa
>Mind Game
>Cat Soup
>The Night is Short, Walk on Girl

Hideaki Anno
>Ritual
>Shin Godzilla

Takashi Ito
>Dizziness
>A Silent Day

Ryusuke Hamaguchi
>Happy Hour
>Intimacies
>Asako I & II

Isao Takahata
>The Tale of the Princess Kaguya

Shinji Aoyama
>Eureka

Seijun Suzuki
>Pistol Opera

Kiyoshi Kurosawa
>Pulse
>Tokyo Sonata

Mamoru Oshii
>Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence

Hiroshi Ishikawa
>Tokyo.Sora
>Petal Dance

Naomi Kawase
>Shara
>Sky, Wind, Fire, Water, Earth

Hiroshi Ando
>Blue

Nobuhiro Yamashita
>Linda Linda Linda

Kōji Wakamatsu
>United Red Army

Momoko Ando
>0.5 mm

Katsuya Tomita
>Bangkok Nites

Ryoji Ikeda
>code-verse

Kunio Katou
>The House of Small Cubes

Ryosuke Hashiguchi
>All Around Us

Shinichiro Ueda
>One Cut of the Dead

Satoshi Miki
>Adrift in Tokyo

Mami Sunada
>The Kingdom of Dreams and Madness

Takashi Makino
>2012
>Space Noise
>Memento Stella
>Still in Cosmos
>On Generation and Corruption
>The Seasons
>The World
>Cinéma Concret
>Emaki/Light
>The Low Storm

cheers

This list is heaven in Earth. Thank you so much for the effort user. I would add things by Katsuhito Ishii and Yoshihiro Nakamura, but everybody should check those kinos.

I've seen 80% of these and the most recent one I've seen was Asako 1 and 2. It was pretty average.

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>What's your favourite Japanese film?
Too hard.
Toss up between Rashomon and Tokyo Tribes

Can anyone recommend some Korean Arthouse? I'm slowly going through Ki-duk Kim's work. Is there any other directors or films of note?

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For the Sion Sono fans, you should watch Arata Oshima's The Sion Sono. It's not a masterpiece or something but it's interesting to see the man behind Himizu, Suicide Club and many others. He oscillated between a very articulated and ilustrated man to a delusional drunk with no middle point. My favorite scenes are when he made a drunk rant about Kore-eda and Kawase, calling them experts at the Cannes genre, and while filming The Whispering Star, he got a call reminding him to start the Minna Esper Dayo movie and he was so pissed that he offered his assistant to direct that one in his place

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hong sang-soo

This looks like kino. Thanks for the heads-up user. Love Exposure, Heya, Himizu, Noriko's Dinner Table and Why Don´t You Play In Hell are some of my favourite movies ever.

>What's your favorite Japanese film?
Branded to Kill.

Anyone else seen Suzuki's Taisho Trilogy? I loved seeing his insane visual style used in a more relaxed, meditative context. Apparently in Japan he is considered legendary, arguably even more so than Kurosawa. I hope at some point he develops a greater stature in the west as well; but with Arrow's extremely limited release of the Taisho movies I think it will be some time before that can happen.

Is 3-Iron a good place to start with him?

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>Is 3-Iron a good place to start with him?
Not the same user, but whatever. Yeah, it's one of his most accessible movies imho.

any Andrey Zvyagintsev style depressing arthouse? preferably russian

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What was your favourite story? I liked the first and last ones the most.

Where do you guys download your arthouse films?

Netflick and chill, Amazon Primor and Torrentqueer.

>when mifune blows cigarette smoke in the direction of the director's that pissed him off

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private and rutracker

That one wit Hitomi Tanaka where she get s fucked.

My favourites were the Van Gogh one and the last one. All were good really. The last one made me really eager to go to a simple village.
Something that stood out to me was the amazing make up in just about every segment.
Ikiru is kino, I have yet to watch High and Low.
>Unironically one of his best films.
He just goes nuts with the visuals on it. It's something to behold. I guess being a film maker that comes from the black and white era comes with actually making good use of colour.

>watch Zigeunerweisen
>get sick when the woman starts eating that rotten fruit
>stop watching
Someone give me a stronger stomach.

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>I have yet to watch High and Low
It's an amazing kino user. You will enjoy the hell out of it. Dreams is probably one of the most beautiful movies ever done. Kurosawa was a beast.

>Is 3-Iron a good place to start with him?
It's best not to start at all.

KG and SC.

elcinedejapon.blogspot.com/
It's a spic blog but many movies have english subs as option or even only english subbed

Dersu Uzala is another Kurosawa's masterpiece

Read, watch and listen to lots of discussion/commentaries/reviews/etc on films.
I've only seen Shura so far but fuck it's good.
Your Miyazaki pics are pure reddit.
Good korean directors:
Bong Joon Ho (skip his English ones as they're shite.)
Park Chan Wook
Na Hong-Jin
Kim Jee-woon
Kim Ki Duk
Lee Chang-dong
etc
I'm sad there's no remaster/bluray etc of that. It's so fantastic but the copies I've found are all quite rough.

There is an italian bluray edition, I guess it is the source for the 720p rip you can find on torrent sites

Prime has arthouse channels that have a 2 week free trial

Perfect for a 2 week marathon of back to back kino

>mentions Paprika
>not Perfect Blue
>mentions kaguya
>not Pom Poko

This is such cringe kino, really feeling uncomfortable watching this. I can't tell if this is great or garbage please help me decide.

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