Here's the quick rundown: after the Fox purchase, Disney has about $50 billion dollars of debt, and they only have $6 billion in cash reserves. And within the next year they basically have a $40 payment due on their debt.
Even with movies as big as Endgame and the Lion King remake under their belt, Disney has a lot of failures, and to make matters worse they bought all of Fox's failures when they acquired the studio, like Dark Phoenix. And to make matters worse, their theme parks are heading into a major decline even as they try to squeeze guests for more money, and theme parks represent even more revenue than movies.
Basically, Bob Iger went on a spending spree so he could point to how much he grew the company before he leaves. Unfortunately, some of those investments like Star Wars have proven to be major bombs, and the Fox purchase might take years to pay itself off if it ever does. Disney is facing the very real possibility that the only way to pay off their massive debts will be to start selling off assets, For Disney, relinquishing even the smallest of territory in the entertainment biz is tantamount to blasphemy, but they might find themselves with no other choice if all these very expensive investments don't start paying themselves off.
It won't. The only unknown factor right now is how much Netflix subscriptions will drop.
Jack Collins
Disney's history is a rollercoaster. Dizzying highs followed by catastrophic lows. The only constant with Disney is that they are never on top for long.
That would probably be true if their only was an ailing Netflix, but the reason Netflix is doing badly is because the market is being flooded with new services.
This is a repeat of the game console war in the 90s. Everyone knows of the legendary rivalry between Nintendo and Sega, but what's lost between the margins is all of the also-rans. Every tom dick and harry had it in their head that they could make a console that would be the third pillar of the industry, and all of them ended up failing. Likewise with the streaming wars, you have like 20 companies, some with multiple services (including Disney) who all think they're going to be the one who goes "head to head" with Netflix. Meanwhile Netflix is dying because people can't get all their shit in one place anymore.
Too many new players all at once is stunting the growth of the streaming market and Disney will be one of the parties worst affected, since they have invested the most into trying to be "the Netflix killer." The amount of capital available from customers has not changed, but all these studios (especially Disney) think that Netflix's customers can support all of their services at the same time, and they will all suffer as a result.
>Disney is facing the very real possibility that the only way to pay off their massive debts will be to start selling off assets This might indicate a very possible, yet small, chance to save Star Wars from Disney's clutches and revive it the right way. Have some other company like Universal or Amazon buy it from them for 6 - 8 billion dollars, decanonize the Sequel Trilogy + all the nu-lore introduced from Disney, and reboot Episode VII from scratch as the start of a new saga with Lucas overseeing development personally as an actual creative consultant. The Skywalker Saga should ONLY be Episodes 1 - 6. Forget about Rogue One, Solo, Rebels, and Resistance. Take the vidya license away from EA. Also, give the franchise actual writers and directors who actually give a shit about the IP and don't disrespect the fans. That would be nice. One can dream about Disney crashing, thusly freeing the industry from their control.
Stop shilling your shitty JewTube channel here, Kneon, you closet s o y boy fuck.
Hunter Perry
I'd think this but I thought Galaxy's Edge was going to be a sure bet for Disney, too.
Elijah Bailey
Yeah, and flying pigs are a thing, lmao.
Robert Gutierrez
That is the statement they put out for investors. If they lie to investors that is a huge legal no no and one of the few things they would be held accountable for.
so no. they are still extremely profitable. >all these salty cunts that did not invest in Disney in the early 2000s. get fucked plebs.
Aaron King
Disney has $3.2 trillion in assets. But yes they're "broke" because they chose to follow proper accounting technique to avoid paying taxes....
Jayden Campbell
Don't you understand how debt works in business? Most big businesses are in debt. If you're not in debt and spending above your cashflow, it's unironically considered an opportunity cost because you're not making best use of your collateral.
Austin Garcia
Could be true. Disney bought Fox with shares, Comcast offered actual money. Disney basically bought massive debt.
Wyatt Richardson
If only. Unfortunately Disney will never go under because there's not justice in this world.
Isaac Lee
A netflix killer could be a service that only has unpozzed content
Tyler Murphy
Good. Fuck the mouse
Angel Gray
I hate Disney for dumbing down the general audiences in the past decade and for trying to monopolize mass culture, but they're obviously a successful business and that's just a fact.
I never understood people like OP that can't hate something without creating a parallel world in their heads where said thing is collapsing. Like, rationally speaking, what exactly is collective delusion supposed to achieve?
Disney's probably going to value it around $13 billion or some shit
Luis Turner
>Yea Forums accounting
Benjamin Johnson
Sorry user, not going to happen. Propganda subsidy is an intrgral part of streaming companies business plans
Luis Roberts
>rationally Yeah, take that word and throw it out the window when it comes to Yea Forums and le Chan in general. They brag about swallowing the redpill but are in fact deltas who can't cope with their emotions and create false scenarios out of thin air. Who gives a shit about Disney even if they ended up owning the world in a few years? There's always gonna be someone in charge. Might as well make the most of it while you're alive.
Liam Reed
Than make it your self.
Alexander Cook
>Who gives a shit about Disney even if they ended up owning the world in a few years? Who the fuck can unironically make a statement like that?
Evan Reed
Disney should have died with Walt.
Nicholas Turner
>$13 billion More than enough for Universal and/or Amazon to purchase from them.
Oliver Butler
>Who the fuck can unironically make a statement like that? A Jew.
Eli Thomas
The YouTube cottage industry of shitting on Star Wars is over. Your shitty new channel isn't going to take off unless you're female. Get a real job.
David White
Meanwhile in reality >2012: man pirating BD remuxes for free and watching them on my 50" Kuro playbacked from my pc is truly the best! >2019: man pirating BD remuxes for free and watching them on my 50" Kuro playbacked from my pc is truly the best! And so on.
Colton Green
i'm not buying it.
Nathaniel Jones
No, seriously. Why is it always "who cares" with people? Why no one ever says "I care"?
John Harris
>Who gives a shit about Disney even if they ended up owning the world in a few years? I agree that Yea Forums is stupid but I disagree with this line of thinking completely. Any corporations that grows too strong or influential should be checked eventually, and the Mouse really illustrates this point because right now it almost feels like living in a Disney dystopia. You go to the theater and sometimes there's nothing but their shitty movies there, then you get home and you see all the journalists and media companies fucking owned by Disney talking about it, you go read about politics and it's all people mobilizing against the supposed "alt-right boycott!" of their latest movies, etc etc. I'd love for this fucking company burning to the ground, I just don't share OP's delusions that it already is.
Asher White
No, really, who gives a shit? There's always someone in charge, be it the government, some studio or aliens. And it's pretty obvious Disney will never actually own the world, but even in the impossible event that they did, it wouldn't be that much different than it is now. There's always someone in charge. Big fucking deal. Live your life, we're not in the Equilibrium movie, and we never will.
Jacob Lewis
This is pathetic.
Oliver Johnson
>No, really, who gives a shit? There's always someone in charge, be it the government, some studio or aliens. This is what happens when you have no education. The government is you, retard.
Hunter James
Please be true please be true please be true
Nicholas Jones
I don't think things are quite as scary as some of you are making them out to be. I'm not a corporate cocksucker either, but I'm also not paranoid. And the possibility that Disney takes over seems very far-fetched to me, from a realistic standpoint, despite their seemingly endless growth as a company. But I'll agree that it's concerning, of course. I just don't view it as Skynet yet.
Owen Stewart
I've never seen a green board on here before? What board was this posted to and when??
Isaiah Johnson
It's a collective case of learned helplessness. It's like how we spent several years panicking over online privacy issues and companies or government collecting data on us, but nothing was ever done because we have no influence over our political classes at all, so everyone just learned to accept it. And because people can't admit they feel powerless they try to internalize it as their own rational decision not to care.
Brayden Allen
It's greenchan bro
Joseph Harris
I could get behind this. But no way it gets bought for $6-8b. If it got bought for $4b, Disney would lose a lot of money due to inflation and that would still be too much due to the damage they've done to the brand. But more importantly, if someone does buy it from them, they need to make one final Luke Skywalker film. Think in the vein of Logan. A samurai-styled film with little dialogue as Luke goes in search of something (be it Han, Leia, his son/nephew, whatever) and we see the state of the galaxy along the way. >the streets of corruscant with death-stick sellers making Luke question what the point of beating the empire was >Tattooine still controlled by different Hutts >shady smugglers at every port >but along the way he stays true to himself and defends those in need or some shit
>The government is you, retard Only to an extent, and definitely not to an extent that the government would want you to believe. My point was that there's a slim, if non-existent chance that the world will get swallowed by the big bad giant corporation that is Disney, and we'll all suddenly become Disney drones. It just doesn't work that way. If you have an education, you would already be aware of this. >inb4 but influence Influence should be of no concern to you if you're not a naive idiot.
David Carter
Oh that's great! As long as Galaxy's Edge does well then Disney are fine, and when has a Disney theme park ever not sold gangbusters?
Dominic Richardson
It is true. The problem is how we're talking about Disney, a powerful brand. If shit like uber, twitter and Netflix can borrow without problem, the mouse can too. I would like to see the company destroyed, but I don't think it will happen unless a big economic crisis fucks the American economy really hard and Disney+ tanks.
Connor Gomez
Define "true". It's an exaggeration of a real issue. In reality, if Disney is called upon to pay its debts, it can raise capital very easily what with being worth $270b or something ridiculous.
Jonathan Walker
Let's pray together user.
Brody Wright
They'll never go under but they never stay on top for long, either.
Nicholas Rogers
Nothing is written until we see shit go down. Unless Disney hides that from us too.
Michael Jones
Still mad about Jeremy's Brie shed, huh?
Michael Brown
They're literally the biggest now. Too big to fail and too big to not stay afloat all the others. Only a fool would say that having a corporation in command is the same as having a legitimate government.
Caleb Gonzalez
Only a fool would think a corporation will ever be in command on an entire nation.
Cash reserves, retard. If they need to spend more than that they have to start selling off non-liquid assets, and when was the last time you heard about Disney selling off something they own?
Christopher Rogers
So you're a fool?
Jayden Kelly
I'd really want to believe this, but when has Yea Forums been right as of late?
John Jones
The whole Star Wars toy thing remind me of the E.T. chocolate kisses story and how merchandise in movies changed. When the script for E.T. was finished, Spielberg requested the marketing department to check it. The initial draft was about M&Ms and the studio asked the company that produces the chocolate to pay for the advertising, but they denied it. So the marketing team went to Hershey and they paid to put their chocolate in it, after the movie, they sold a lot. It's interesting how the things used to be. In the past, a writer would create a story and send to the marketing department waiting for them to work with it, but now, movies are just advertising.
Easton Phillips
>Oy vey, haven't you heard that media and finance are filthy professions that Christians should not participate in? Let your friendly court jews handle them, we'll take care of everything!
>relevancy of cash reserves of a multi billion dollar company in the modern world during its expansion period This is why you shouldn't learn finances through YouTube or cable TV.
Andrew Sullivan
Disneymom COPE
Tyler Phillips
Poorly devised click bait
Brody Stewart
You sound like you learn finances through YouTube and cable TV.
Aiden Wood
>save Star Wars
It like saving a person who was already been killed, what is the point.
James Russell
>Doesn't understand all the major Bank CEOs are Catholic or Greek Orthodox.
Chase Barnes
Disney has more than enough exclusive content for many different audiences for their streaming service to stand out. Netflix on the other hand is losing all of their most popular shows to other streaming services and they don't have nearly enough of their own high-quality content to survive.
The solution for Netflix was to give each corporation that allows them to host content a percentage based on viewership like YouTube does. Then every corporation climbs on board while Netflix starts charging 50/month to be the actual cable replacement
Ian Young
Forget what I said about trannies on Yea Forums. Soccer moms are the real red herring.
Blake Anderson
Best thing Disney and Abrams ever did was inadvertantly killing the two series that are strangling sci-fi in the west.
Hopefully the autists and talented writers will create new stuff for us. Shit nigga. I'm looking forward to the British sci-fi fans who were turned off of Doc Who and the not even subtle doc who is a lesbo and going to bang rose stories.
Nicholas Jenkins
kill / marry / fuck / piss on
Luke Long
>corporation that allows them to host content a percentage based on viewership like YouTube does.
Ah, so that's why the shitty as fuck tv shows and horrifyingly unfunny "talk shows" and selesct homegrown fake popular youtube celebs are being hard pushed.
Jaxon Wood
How is that broke. The normal corporate debt is repayed over 20 years. And Disney makes 30 billion in profit every year.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Netflix hasn't made a cent of profit in 10 years. Apple is so massively over valued it is an actual joke among investors. Verizon sold TUMBLR yesterday for a 2 billion dollar loss. But you think 50b in corporate debt matters to any company making over 5b in income? When Disney makes over 5b in income from shitty ass capeshit movies every year alone?
Jeremiah Lopez
It's too late for that. Every network would rather get 100% of $10/month and pay for the overhead instead of 10% of $50/month and no overhead expenses. There's no way all these new streaming services survive so maybe a decade from now the ones that can't make it on their own will do something like you suggested.
Wyatt Baker
Of course but Jews had other plans.
Carson Hernandez
kill/piss on/fuck/marry
William Baker
user, they fucked up SW which did NOTHING except print money with almost no input, no one is going to their parks anymore and after Universal opens up their harry potter and nintendo attractions it's over, and the live action stuff is bombing.
I'm not even going to go into how their hard gay push and retarded atempt at gaslighting girls so they'll become permanent disney slaves thing is tanking with the kids and normies. Look at how bad the MCU's next phase is being mishandled.
It's only going to get worse. The "woke" and "anti-woke" fake shit is just going to piss all of the normies off and make them turn their nose up.
Robert Robinson
>afraid of Geeky cute voice
Parker Phillips
Nu uh no they won't. Normies LOVE the woke stuff and will keep watching it.
Ayden Thomas
Captain Marvel and Black panther were massive hits tho
Landon Mitchell
Exactly. Normies love em.
Carter Nguyen
You literally have no idea what you are talking about. They are a public company look it up. Their movies are just a vehicle for the liscensing operation. And they still sell a massive amount of liscenced toys and dvds. Because 2-10 year olds still exist.
If you wany to argue they have shot themselves in the foot on growth expectations due to some mid level mis management I would agree. But you started this thread with the premise that 50b in corporate debt is an unmanageable sum for disney. Which is fucking retarded. They could pay it off in 5 years if they had to.
Asher Bailey
No wonder. They were shoehorned before 2 big movies to bait retards to watch them.
Dylan Howard
Don't talk shit about Geeky Sparkles.
James Carter
Culture war is involved with their movies making so much money now what?
You saying DISNEY is losing?
Joseph Peterson
They have to pay $40 billion next year, user. This is business debt, not student debt on a liberal arts degree. If they do not have $40 billion in liquid assets next year they are going to have to sell assets, which means downsizing.
Joshua Bell
They'll make some cheap shit to guarantee profit and be fine like they always do. >The Three Caballeros 2 >Fun & Fancy Free 2 >Bambi 3
Tyler Hill
I haven't looked into their debt structure, but corporate debt is normally 20 year bonds. Lucasfilms was only 4b. Where is this extra 36b? And there is no way Iger structured his debt that 40b came due in a year. You do realize that the jews that run disney have been playing accountant for fun since they were 6?
Show me a document stating they owe 40b in bonds next year. They are a public company.
Brayden Barnes
>Kikeney >Broke I bet you also believe in Santa
Lucas Evans
If they can’t pay their debt they will just take on more debt to pay it off. A company like Disney is basically an infinite money printing machine as long as it still has cash flow.
Tyler Hernandez
yea nah
Christian Reed
I love that they are getting fucked due to their greed. Pure poetry.
Isaiah Cox
Not him but they probably took a ton of debt on both GE parks, which are duds.
Isaac Taylor
Piss on / Fuck / Kill / Marry
Jaxson Cook
>doesnt understand they are all either jews or freemasons working for jews
Dominic Bailey
how the fuck was MGM that faggot's favorite park how could MGM have possibly been anyone's favorite park
Christian Brooks
I know this would never happen but what if they sold Star Wars. Would the next company basically wipe clean the Disney shit off the franchise?
Prove it. There is no probably here, they are a public company. Their theme park budget this year was high because of star wars land, but it wasn't even close to being negative. We literally have a 600% mark up on food, on average.
Its all public knowledge. You can get a disney prospectus from any stock broker. I abhor capeshit, i think disney ruined star wars. I think maybe half of their cartoons are worth a fuck. But retard parents keep buying, and I keep earning.
Aaron Cox
And yet no one points out that Disney and others aren't dumb. They know perfectly well that multiplying streaming services will put those very services in crisis. But, first, if there's a few bucks to earn riding Netflix's coattails while it's still possible, why not? Then, it's just a power play. Netflix is synonym with "streaming service" today, but it's still a young company. They weight next to nothing compared to the monstrosity Disney has become. Disney can sink almost as much money as they want in streaming while watching Netflix slowly bleeding dollars until its death. Or, Netflix will survive, but weakened, and Disney will have all but eliminated what could become a dangerous rival on their turf.
Josiah Martinez
>Would the next company basically wipe clean the Disney shit off the franchise? that would depend on what the fans wants
Mason Perry
>will be to start selling off assets THIS IS OUR MOMENT
I don't think you quite understand the concept of money if you think it's possible that Disney receives a letter at one point saying something like "hey, it's the twelfth of June 2020. You owe 40 billions, remember ? "
Mason Williams
Well its liberals that screech “who cares” they’re a species of people that truly care about nothing except of course ruining the things that (you) care about
Juan Foster
>Basically, Bob Iger went on a spending spree so he could point to how much he grew the company before he leaves. Unfortunately, some of those investments like Star Wars have proven to be major bombs, They’ve already broken even on Star Wars you idiot. In 5 years
Camden Ross
Imagine believing this. Imagine being this retarded.
Juan Cook
Based retard
Michael Thomas
>Disney has $3.2 trillion in assets Can i get a source on this? I'm honestly interesting in looking into this shit.
Luke Brooks
>soi >gay soi >soibois
surely all of these demographics are well-served by HBO
you are a deluted retard. every family with children will buy disney+ because it's fucking disney and it's for children. young adults are just an extra brought in by marvel films
Zachary Moore
this is correct
Jordan Gonzalez
Flagged and reported for child abuse. Dont shill ur garbage here
Justin Garcia
>deluted based retard
Jacob Collins
Their only competition is >Netflix (openly hates straight white people and is probably way more fucked than Disney could ever hope to be) >Amazon Prime (very fucking good all things considered) >Hulu (shit tier basic service) >Bittorrent kek.
So, seriously, so long as Disney+ isn't a complete waste of bandwidth, it will make money hand over fist. And it will deny an incredibly large swath of IP from competitors.
Disney is shit. But goddamn do they seem to own everything.
Bentley Evans
The way Disney has trashed the franchise, he should offer them tree fiddy.
Budget cuts have been shitting all over Disney parks for a decade now, then they wonder why attendance is down and raise prices in response >t. castmember
Anthony Johnson
It's hilarious how obsessed you people are with a boomer franchise that hasn't created anything of worth in like 40 fucking years (or really ever), yet you'll eat anything they shit out and endlessly bitch about how much it sucks until the next turd comes out. I imagine this is what KISS fans are like.
Parker Cox
>chocolate kisses I thought it was Reece's Pieces.
Owen Nguyen
based
Colton King
have sex
Ian King
Yea Forums should put together a gofundme so we can buy star wars ourselfs
Anthony Sanders
Why does everything about the future seem so bleak? Cant you say anything positive???
Wyatt Edwards
The only problem is all the cool Marvel shows they announced are being run by a Kennedy clone who has out right said Falcon and Wanda are going to be about identity politics. And I was actually looking forward to Wanda visions naively believing they weren’t going to rewrite her to be Captain Marvel.
Justin Scott
Fuck! You're correct.
Sebastian Lopez
This just shows how very little you know. After the acquisition of fox, disney now owns 60% of hulu.
William Butler
>Take the Tokyo Disneyland Pill No Hispanics or Brazillians. Top of the line rides, while still maintaining classics (Still have Country Bear Christmas). Reasonable Food Prices. Adjacent to one of the best cities in the world. No coon toon-town goons.
Forcing propaganda and success with black panther and captain marvel doesn't change that. Black panther was an American shill job and captain marvel flew on the cusp of infinity war.
