The hand signals used in Saving Private Ryan are largely inaccurate and were not in use during World War II

They did but the Nazi were all running UAV Jammer

The irish army extras, used to shout "run forest run" whenever he appeared on set.

>skinheads
This bugs me. I know he was informed that the Germans soldiers actually had hair but still went with it. Really bugs me

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the hand signals in band of brothers are fucking wild.
buck legit throws gang signs for 5mins to get two guys throw grenades over a bush

I think it's more a result of the extras literally being enlisted and having modern close shave army cuts

I mean isn't it easy to assume people would use their hands to signal people? I can't imagine it literally never happened. It's just a shitty movie. Tae Guk Gi is better

>muh bugman melodrama is better
That's a cringe

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cringe

Yeah it is. At least they kill actual bad guys in it

what’s he pointing at?

Probably some sort of direction where to go.

God

Kek

It doesn't help that the book Band of Brothers is derived from is exaggerated bullshit written by a literal WW2 fan boy.
Not surprised they were making shit up in the show when Ambrose did in the book. What a fucking hack.

Found another interesting piece of trivia.

"Juden" is the plural form of the German word for the Jewish people. "Jude" is the singular form.
In one scene in the movie, Private Mellish taunts a group of German prisoners while displaying a Star of David medallion that is attached to his dog tags, while condescendingly repeating the word "juden". It would have been more proper for Mellish to use the singular form of "jude" and not "juden."

Now, what's surprising, is that Mellish is played by Adam Goldberg - a Jewish actor. It seems very strange to me that a Jewish actor, directed by a Jewish director, would make such an obvious mistake.

Thoughts on this? I'm honestly confused.

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Possible the character wasn't aware of the error, being a grunt. Juden sounds better than Jude, sounds more German rather than a Beatles song.

How'd he know they hate jews before the camps were discovered?

Juden can mean Jewish as well user, like when the SA used to graffiti Jewish owned shops with Juden to denote the owner being Jewish

It’s weird nobody caught it.
You might say that unless Melish grew up in a german speaking household (and his language skills obviously weren’t good enough to serve as translator for Miller) he just got it wrong. Totally believed he picked up the word somewhere and didn’t make a good distinction between Juden and Jude.
It probably wasn’t that thought out though. More likely Spielberg had him say Juden since it was easier for the audience to hear with the “n” at the end.

I don't think the Germans were keeping their hate for Jews very secret even before the war.

Can't imagine where he'd get the idea they don't like Jews from

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because it's a stupid scene added for the purpose of propaganda and pandering. The German infrantrymen would be like um ok great, wtf is this guy talking about

Malarkey goes out of his way in his autobiography to say he was never at that concentration camp and doesn’t even remember it. Webster doesn’t mention it in his book. Winters in both his biography and autobiography gives it all of a page.
Kinda sucks they glossed over so much stuff in Normandy and Holland for that, especially after Spielberg already made Schindlers List

The laws they passed restricting jews from owning businesses.
Riots against jews like kristallnacht.
Requiring jews to move to fenced in ghettoes.
Propoganda films like Jud Suss

It was very clear by 1944 what nazis thought of jews

Saving Private Ryan also has a slimy pro-war message

Extrapolate on this.

Average joe America doesn't know what's going on outside the US despite internet and t.v. nowadays. You expect me to think he'd know?

Fucking retard

Not him but it, along with, Call of Duty definitely had a huge impact on American Pop Culture for a while. A whole new generation learned to deify American soldiers and war in general.

German American Bund were closely affiliated with the NSDAP and quite well known in the states

If there is grass on the field Spielberg wont play ball

Jude is not prononcerad like the Beatles song

Well, he's Jewish, so very likely to belong to a local Jewish community, where the learned elders would inform the grunts about the horrors of Nazi Germany.

>prononcerad
You alright, man?

and then for no reason at all hitler came to power

Oh yeAh I forgot the jewish elders have magic all seeing crystal balls

lmao

It auto-corrected to Swedish

>letting the goyim know

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Well there must have been Jewish refugees, secret letters, something.

Jud Suss literally won an award at Venice, Mein Kampf was available in English in 1939, it was no secret Hitler and his party did not like kikes

Americans only speak comic german.

Flash!

>Juden can mean Jewish
No, that would be jüdisch.

The camp is one of many issues with the book and show. A few major gripes I have with them
>Ambrose, and in turn the show, depended entirely on the perspectives of the paratroopers for their content and never did further research to back it up, stupid since Ambrose is a historian and school children are taught that individuals are often unreliable. Mistakes from this include Blythe (guy shot by the sniper in the woods) being declared dead despite having a military career in Korea after simply because nobody heard of him again. A simple "fact" to check for a military historian
>Winters is written as an action hero who killed "more men then anyone else in Easy Company" which is not provable, nor likely when Easy Company had machine gunners and mortar crews attached to it
>Captain Sobel will forever be remembered as an asshole underesving of his rank based entirely on what the soldiers he trained hard thought about him
>Spiers was most definitely not a prisoner killing nutcase, and members of the Company knew that, they were fun stories to pass the time
>The American German soldier Malarkey speaks to was actually someone Malarkey knew in real life, they grew up on the same street. Apparently this was too unbelievable for Spielberg, when a disclaimer could have been added clarifying it

It would be by an English speaking American.

Throat!

Lots of Jews fled Germany before and during the NSDAP came to power

actually they hired reenactors who came on set already with the accurate haircuts and were told to shave their heads

> killed "more men then anyone else in Easy Company"
I don’t remember this in BoB. But Winters is very clear himself in his biography that he was guaranteed to have killed 7. As in he pulled the trigger and watched them go down.
Nobody ever really knows though because they’re usually so far away when your shooting and anybody would flop to the ground immediately for cover when being fired at anyway.
I’d be really surprised if 7 was the highest number of anyone in E company, even without crew served weapons.
Winters himself refers to guys like Talbert and Guarniere as his “killers” and seems to imply they’ve probably killed upwards of a dozen.

>Spiers was most definitely not a prisoner killing nutcase
I don’t think they mean to portray him as crazy. But he did notify Winters of killing the prisoners and Winters did nothing because they were in a combat zone and nobody really cared and junior officers were in short supply.

Having nice hair is anti-semitic

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The whole movie is about war being necessary
The “horrific” and “gritty” combat scenes of Saving Private Ryan supposedly serve to highlight the brutality of war, but everyone knows that is how war is. Showing it just romanticizes the idea of that hardship.
Spielberg also does a lot to act like he is not making the movie onesided by showcasing the shot surrendering soldiers and the begging prisoner that they graciously let live. But in the end of the day it is portrayed that it was necessary to kill that soldier because the enemy lies. Meanwhile the Germans are depicted as skinheads and assumed anti-semites, which associates them with neonazis.
Look at Upham. He is a strawman for a pacifist and he is “foolish” enough to see the enemy multidimensionally. In the stabbing scene he is a coward, causing him to be absolutely detested by the audience. This is until he has learned that war is necessary, the bad guys are evil, and that he really shouldn’t think too hard about it.

it's not, it's overly dramatic with shitty acting like all gook flicks. feels more like watching a soap opera than a war movie

Spielberg is the definition of Hollywood bullshit, Duel was okay, everything else is kiddy shit.

Thanks.

>Le shoot tank with pistol scene BUT WAIT IT'S A PLANE
>Gook films are overly dramatic

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I always hated Upham's arc. His "redemption" is murdering a POW in cold blood, a POW that he made the mistake of allowing to live in the first place, as if that POW would have had an option if he had run into fellow Germans first instead of Allied soldiers. And if BoB is any indication Spielberg has no problem glorifying the murder of POWs. What a nice message to send to your audience.

U mad chinaman

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he can't get a real job

>Film is about killing commies and Chinese
>You mad chinamen?

Who's the real chink here?

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It's from the book, a quote from the author. My point was that if the source material is that bad, what could you expect from the show.
>the spiers part
Could just be my opinion but the show seemed to make out people were always discussing behind his back what he was up to and whether the stories were true, whereas in reality nobody really believed them. Sorry I wasn't clear.

I hated that part too. Its not even the guy who stabbed his friend, and there's no way he knew he shot Miller. Seemed like dick waving gone patriotic.

Why wouldn't the Jews just move away from a place that dislikes them?

It's just one of those things, you know?

Yeah i don’t think Ambrose is actually a respected scholar or author. He got nailed pretty hard on plagiarism before his death. He just happened to fall into the good graces of Spielberg.

There’s a very good series of books by a guy named Don Burgett who was in A company of the 506th PIR. They’re each pretty short. The shit he did was waaay crazier than anything that went on in E Company. Stuff that people would dismiss as fiction if it were put onto film like the 1st Battalion ordered to hold a line against German armor with nothing but M1s...or when a hand grenade blew up in his face and he woke up and tried jogging back to the fight.
Really, in the battle of the bulge, 2nd battalion of the 506th (and E company) had the easy job.

I think Spielberg chose E company because Winters was a constant presence, which was very unusual. Apparently A company has a new Company commander every week.

The very short version is that Upham is a metaphor for inaction by the west and how it lead to the holocaust.

Wow, never thought about it that way.
Do you think that means I'm an idiot, or that the messages was poorly translated?

Ah-ah!

Where'd they go though?

I dunno, some place that likes Jews. Is there a reason why people wouldn't like Jews in the 1930's?

It's the latter. Like others have said, Uphams arc culminates in committing a war crime. It's slimy and ultimately serves to make audience think "yes, killing nazis was good" rather than "war is terrible but we needed to stop the nazi machine"

Not heard of the Don Burgett ones, thanks for the rec, I'll make an effort to read them.

Did you know they didn't use real bullets in the scenes either?

Me too.

False equivalence, you fuck.
Using real bullets would risk harming the actors. Making them learn genuine hand signs would not, unless you think the hand signs were very straining on the wrists.

Yeah. If you remember the episode of BoB where McAullife says to Winters, “your 1st Battalion is pulling out of Foy...there’s a lot of shit headed this way” it’s because 1st Battalion was attacking the Germans in those two villages outside Bastogne to buy time for 2nd Battalion to dig in around the city.
2/506th didn’t take heavy casualties until after Pattons armor broke through and they had to retake the villages that 1/506th had to attack and defend before Xmas.
That’s why the one episode ends with some bullshit quite about “101st never admitted it needed to be rescued”. It’s because E company hadn’t gotten chewed up yet like other companies.

Yeah I remember that. Watching the episode for the first time years back always perplexed me because I knew how bad the Bulge was but Easy company were mainly stuck in the cold for most of it.
Definitely going to pick it up user, thanks again.

>Why not just move out from the land where you and your family have lived for generations, some even fighting and dying for the country.

>wehrmacht reenactment group
you really don't want to interact with that lot if you can help it

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Weird, you'd think that would engender them to be more well appreciated by the rest of the German populous. What sort of trauma could induce that level of mass hysteria against a perceived boogyman?

Nah, I know some Wehrmacht LARP'ers myself, they're a solid bunch.

Your arguement rests on the premise that Germans can't be retarded and wrong in large number, especially when they're desperate to blame anyone else for them being beaten fair and square in WW1.