Which side was in the wrong?

not lying about democracy being perfect and monarchy being without virtues does not mean that the series isn't STRONGLY pro-democracy.

>democratic space nation outright turned into an oligarchical blood sacrifice system
>lmao let's do it again bro, just to make things right!

cringe

Lmao imagine walking 110 eps and being this oblivious. The corrupt monarchy turns into a near perfect system to the point where the Democrats willingly turn sides. Meanwhile the corrupt democracy becomes even more shitty and corrupt to the point where it's unable to function without a military coup, and ends up being completely erased.

Not really they kinda point out in both the anime and books that a lot of technology has stagnated or even decreased since before even the Goldenbaum dynasty started centuries ago. Humanity at the point of the show is suppose to be in a dud period before the events happen.

THE REPUBLICANS, AND THE DYNASTS —THE GOOD SIDE WAS THE IMPERIAL SIDE, BUT NOT THE DYNASTICAL FACTION, BUT, RATHER, THE ARISTOCRATIC ONE —THE ONE LED BY REINHARD VON LOHENGRAMM.

>The corrupt monarchy turns into a near perfect system to the point where the Democrats willingly turn sides. Meanwhile the corrupt democracy becomes even more shitty and corrupt to the point where it's unable to function without a military coup, and ends up being completely erased.

Good thing autocratic monarchies that are established by a near perfect ruler never turn into absolute chaos once the wrong persons inherit the throne.

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They're both shown to be imperfect because the point of the novels is the opening statement:
>In every time, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
They even stuck it at the beginning of the adaptation in the hopes you'd understand that.

(((Rubinsky)))

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Nobody.

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Roughly a thousand men dead per every ship. No one blinked an eye.

none of them

It was somewhat ambiguous, but the Japs painted the Empire as the better option due to the incompetence and moral degeneracy of the Federation leaders.

Ironically, a monarchy system with Yang as leader would have been the best option for everyone.

No, because Yang would've just piss potted about the entire situation since he doesn't want the responsibility.

Machiavelli's Five Good Emperors didn't inherit the throne.

Did you see the episode where Yang meets Rein and they have a political debate? Rein basically admits that Yang is right but that he can't bring himself to admit it.

Seemed pretty obvious that Reinhardt was perfect to rule but a heir as good as him was close to impossible. A great monarchy was not as sustainable as an actual functional democracy

DO YOU HAVE A «POINT»?

>imperial/fascist monarchy
>can stagnate temporarily until a young military leader comes along, you're either living in one of the world's greatest empires or about to
>(((democracy)))
>literally never improves, just become shittier and more corrupt until it's replaced with a better system. voters have 0 influence and are fucked over and used for cannon fodder by greedy kikes no matter who they vote for

Art imitates life...

History shows us 5000 years of successful and unsuccessful empires and dynasties that had clear reasons behind why they were successful or unsuccessful. Then it shows us 200 years of democracy fucking up everything it touches. Really makes you think.

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The Earth Cult

The anime has quite clear parallels with two things, one is War and Peace and the other is inter-war Japan which looms very largely on almost all Japanese.

The anime shows the decadence royalty and nobility as it happened in Russia in war and peace while at the same time showing in an authoritarian system a useless monarch is extremely dangerous as it happened in WWII with Japan.

it does seem that Reinhard's contribution to history was fairly positive. He brought down a corrupt dynasty and made the lives of billions more just. Maybe millions died but there's every indication millions would have died anyway. Reinhard didn't start the war. He will be remembered well by history.
Yang will do less well. Despite his superior military genius he consistently fought to maintain a corrupt order and had no long term plan. He was genuinely surprised by the treachery of his countrymen, and bounced from one undesirable situation to another. He obviously wanted to be a warrior but didn't have the strength of conviction to do it wholeheartedly. "I only wanted to be a historian" is his constant refrain. It grows tiresome.
In the end I firmly believe Yang was more in the wrong than Reinhard.

This. All yang did was drag out the war for years longer than necessary and kill millions of people. And what did he accomplish in the end? Literally nothing. How can someone with no goal accomplish anything? Nice "morality"

Yang fought to preserve democracy even against his own best interests, sure the democracy was corrupt and flawed but ultimately it was a noble act

DEMOCRACY FOSTERS CORRUPTION.

>inter-war Japan which looms very largely on almost all Japanese.

Shat do you mean by this?

Nice reddit typing there, or is that the joke?

Terraist gang checking in

anyone have the viewing order guide?

You can also mention Prussia. The Galactic Empire has a Prussian aesthetic.

He literally didn’t want to be a leader at any point. He was just put to a higher position every time because of his competence. Whenever he had a chance he just went back to reading and writing books. Nothing wrong with a man refusing to do what he doesn’t want to do. He also fought for the idea of democracy, not for the corrupt version of it that he saw. At many points he had accepted that the empire might take over the federation and just kept aiming for his ideal democracy.

>I'd rather be dead than fascist!
>Dies
>Country becomes fascist
Good one yang

Lurk more you dumb newfag.

Make me you mad oldfag

Release order (film, ova, film, gaidens). Skip everything else (golden wings, remake)

People that started lurking post 2011 shouldn’t be allowed to post here. Or there should be an IQ check for the site.

>Fascist
>white supremacist
It was neither. stop shitposting please.

Yes but there isn't and I'm still here

It was half Prussian half French

>He also fought for the idea of democracy, not for the corrupt version of it that he saw.
He was a slave for corrupt kike politicians his entire military career. Ideals are worth nothing if you put no effort into realizing them. All he did was prop up a corrupt regime and eventually died and lost his entire country because he was too much of a pussy to seize power. His retarded moral democratic ideals caused his entire country to become fascist.

Reinhardt's empire was in no way fascist

It was definitely white supremacist. Every single black/Asian/whatever character was on the democratic side and you saw news clips of them being kicked out (inferior genes) when the alliance was formed

Reinhard was slightly more progressive than the previous regime (didn't believe in eugenics mainly) but the empire was still textbook fascist
>Fascism (/ˈfæʃJzəm/) is a form of radical right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3]

He wanted to educate people about democracy trough his books i would say. And he refused to take over because of his ideals, not because he was afraid of it. Yeah he did prop up the corrupt democracy but his aim was to purify it after the wars. Or bring democracy to empire if the federation lost, which is exactly what happened.

Shut the fuck up you stupid STUPID newfag. I have been here since chanology when this website was real and had soul but you dumb newfags come here every single day from reddit, facebook or whatever cesspool you probably got bullied off, you come here and spam unfunny crap all day
>hahaha sneed and feed
>formerly good!
>LMAO im a 30 year old boomer
And you don't think we notice who you sre, the only people who think you are funny are not laughing with you they are laughing AT you. Just fuck off already or my next post will do some serious damage.

You brainlets, Goldenbaums dynasty had the inferior gene act, not Reinhart’s reing. His top advisor was a dude who would have been killed under the original Goldenbaum’s rule. The democraphics of the empire were just white.

But it wasn’t white supremacist.

not exactly it was more german supremacist . After the very first battle between the FPA and the empire took place all foreign elements (meaning black, Anglo-saxon, asian, russian, anything non-german) fled, they didn't exactly get kicked out. Also, Reinhard was egalitarian, there was nothing racial about his govt

Sometimes i look back on pre 2013 years and think how much soul this place used to have. Now it’s just hollow zoomers who have had the most unhuman upbringing in history and they are literally uncabaple of creativity.

The author literally said he made them German because German sounds cool and there's no deep meaning or lore about it

>authoritarian ultranationalism
exactly you just proved yourself wrong. Reinhardt's empire was neither of these. (well a little authoritarian maybe, but nothing compared to his predecessors)

>Millions of his soldiers die because he refused to disobey some kike presided trying to get reelected
>I-its not my fault lmao I wanted to be an author!!!
>Country is on the brink of defeat and about to become the thing he hates most
>B-but I don't WANNA be president!
>Dies accomplishing nothing in his entire life
>Ahhh... At least I never betrayed muh morals!
Epic
>Or bring democracy to empire if the federation lost, which is exactly what happened.
Except this never happened. Reinhard allowed a constitution and possibly a parliament, but was worried that these might eventually lead to democracy. Rewatch the episodes where he talks to Julian.

>Non-authoritarian
>A literal monarchy
Lmao

>Not taking the Terrapill

It's sad isn't it, not an oz of creativity is inside them. Do you know much OC I created back in the old days? There are dozens of memes re posted from 10 years ago that I made every day after work for no recognition, how many memes do you think thesr newfags have made... I'll give you a clue, it rhymes with Hiro.

I don't think you know what authoritarian means user.
It was autocratic

Reinhard’s dead bro. The democrats can do what they want at the parlament.

Is this a show women will never understand, they just can't understand why Yang would stick to his convictions

Yeah they just post the same wojack memes and don’t even realize there is a thing called creativity. Why did we lose our wonder and belief and excitement in the future?

>He thinks they're mutually exclusive
Holy shit youre a fucking retard. Almost every fascist government was autocratic

>Almost every fascist government was autocratic
yep. I never denied this.
And not all autocratic governments were fascist. Especially 18th-century monarchies and massive empires where nation-states don't even exist.

Hildegard (Obersrein) is going to rule until Reinhardt's son is old enough. If democracy ever took over it would be after his genetic line died out or someone incredibly stupid or evil took over.

None and both. The Point was that both system are viable, as long as you make sure to kill all the jews.

>what is Glorious Revolution of England

Just accept that Yang won at the end. But yeah he did get a lot of people killed.

>as long as you make sure to kill all the jews.

The ultimate red pill and why terraists were in the show

You realize it's set in the future not the past right? Do you not think Napoleon would be called fascist if he was born today?

Would it be correct to say this series espouses relative morality?

none, but FPA was more retarded

>free
>implying

So his idea of "winning" is just implementing the same garbage corrupt democratic system he hated in the first place? He was a retarded idealist with no idea how to make democracy work besides "maybe it'll just get better on its own" after 300 years of it getting progressively worse

Slide versus roller coaster.

Phezzan

>Do you not think Napoleon would be called fascist if he was born today?
considering fascist is just a catch-all term for all your political opponents these days he certainly would

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this. the jews being the earth cult and rubinsky

Maybe it will be better this time :^)

>Space sw*tzerland
>In the right

Mountain space jews get the rope too

>applying 20th century terms like fascism to pre industrial revolution goverments
shiggy diggy

Wow the bottom anime and manga are fucking hideous

Pretty much yeah

>Pre industrial
>In space

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They're more like Venetians

FPA since reinhard would have been the best ruler imaginable but since he died before he turned 25, it also showed that putting all power in the hands of one person can be devastating

What's devestating about it? Hildegard and oberstien are better rulers than anyone FPA ever elected

was mostly talking bout the goldenbaum dynasty

Hildegard will be a capable ruler and reinhard's will probably be the same but who knows after that. Also the parlament they might have installed could take over power and install the same corrupt democracy the FPA were dying for

also oberstein's dead

>this is anons room, he's quite the film buff

2018 made them all look the same

Reminder that there was a brief window where Yang had the chance to become God emperor of everything himself by killing reinhart and assuming control of the alliance and the empire. He was just too much of a pussy to get it done.

>Hurrdurr why didn't the literal materialization of liberty become the god emperor of everything

>The final redpill is the cycle of civilization repeats itself

Have you ever considered that simplifying human history down to a cycle, much less one that doesn't occur over millennia, is retarded?

The final plot is for a constitutional monarchy. This became pretty apparent by the time the oligarchy started repressing everyone and being completely incompetent at actually running the government.

It concludes that a strong executive is needed to intervene when politics breaks down and for the legislature (and people) to be free to also challenge the abuses of the executive. This creates the basic pyramid that has underpinned social order since feudalism and is especially stressed by the history of Thailand which the show borrowed from.

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B-But Reinhard was based! All those people had to die so he could fulfil the promise he made to his husbando.

>he doesn't want the responsibility

Which is exactly what makes him the most competent for the job.

>be FPA citizen
>your country has been fighting the Goldenbaum reich for 150 years
>your family has suffered plenty of deaths fighting them
>new blond guy in the reich cucks the Goldenbums
>your republican government takes in the deposed Goldenbaum kid kaiser and their government in exile
Imagine being so cucked.

>space battles
>nobody ever bothers to wear space suits except for assault dudes
Every time

> goldenbaum dynasty
did nothing wrong

Also the chances of a good pianist with inborn proclivity for it are much higher when he's born and raised in a family of pianists than if he's born to morons that had nothing to do with it. Monarchy wins the argument.

Thailand has a history?

>Fezzan was founded by a "merchant" from Earth

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