Star Wars Is Struggling to Win Over the Next Generation of Kids

Also, this is a factor. I haven't seen any of the new movies expect for TFA and R1. The movies are for children in that there are no mature themes being developed. I have yet to see a light Aber remove and cauterize a limb which happens in every other movie in star wars. The violence and conflict is toned down to a minimum where lightsabers just scratch niggers and they wake up later. Only Han died to a lightsaber besides other redshirts of course. It's fucking embarrassing.

This kills the Disney. I doubt capeshit is going to stay sustainable though. They will soon hit the wall as the story gets too intricate to continue.

>They will soon hit the wall as the story gets too intricate to continue.

Nah, they could always do a soft reboot.

Get woke, go broke. Fuck Sóy Wars.

Disney had 40 years of established stories and characters and threw it all out the window for this shit. It's too late for that though

They shat upon the old fans and failed to make new ones. Turns out normie SJWs aren't the ones who actually liked Star Wars.

It's almost like children don't like having jewish fever dreams lasered onto their eyes.

I'll always love the Star Wars that existed before Mickey smeared his mouse feces over it.

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they made billions $££$£$ ?

Genuinely liked the Last Jedi. Will say the pacing and scale of conflict is pretty stupid though. Republic getting instantly BTFO by First Order and having only skeleton crew left seems like very lazy writing.

Truly, I think the identity politics of everybody so mad there’s a homely Chinese girl and a black protagonist are more insufferable than anything in the movie. The purple haired admiral was a little on the nose, but the whole casino heist plot having this long playout with low odds of success failing was good. It’s kind of refreshing with a series where “true destiny overcomes impossible odds” is the norm.

Also liked Luke’s character arc quite a bit.

It makes sense why it’s not as popular though. It’s doing a kind of deconstruction of a lot of elements of the series, anything vaguely feminist pisses people off, and frankly a lot of the themes are contextualized by a familiarity with the old series which means kids that don’t have that familiarity aren’t going to give a single fuck about themes of “passing down wisdom to the next generation” or subverting series tropes.

Really who’s the intended audience? Throwbacks mean nothing to zoomers, nerd boys that were the bulk of the old base are the most hostile demographic to anything feminist. I don’t think the writers know who they want their audience to be and they thought brand recognition would sell it all enough.

>Chief Executive Officer Bob Iger was so sure fans would be blasting through the door that he had instituted a reservation system for visitors to enter Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge, the new attraction at Disneyland. It turned out not to be necessary.
Yeah after what they did to Star Wars what they really expecting any fans?

they didn't allow season pass holders to go you do the fucking math

Not even normies care about Star Wars anymore

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>star wars is legit stagnating and dying in their own films
The decision here is mind-boggling. The Last Jedi felt like a nightmare world where time stopped but everyone kept living. Nothing has progressed, the status quo is unchangeable, and now everything is just rotting from age. The creators refuse to introduce genuinely new ideas, and they've killed the franchise because of it.

>PT
>imagine if you were a Jedi kid going to Jedi school learning neat Jedi shit
>OT
>imagine if it turned out your parents were really important and you’re now going on space adventures to rescue space princesses
>ST
>imagine if the Jedi suck and your parents discarded you
We’ll probably never figure out why kids aren’t interested anymore

TFA 2.068 billion
TLJ 1.333 billion

>only 40% of children are white
>nonwhite kids don't get toys
I wonder why the sales are dropping

Universal is opening up a completely new park featuring Nintendo and Disney can't market Star Wars to kids. This is going to be a slaughter.

people aren't "tired" of star wars
they're tired of terrible star wars movies
this whole "fatigue" shit these companies always say is the stupidest cope ever because if you maintain a consistent quality nobody will get tired of a series

I don't think there's a single scene in that movie that makes logical sense. Nothing happens. The entire summary of the story is they get in a chase and then keep running away. You enjoyed the casino planet sequence?

this really says it all

I remember reading way back when Disney acquired marvel and Star Wars that these were going to be the “boy” franchises while the princess stuff were for the girls. Not sure what happened

They're still pretending the Rian Johnson trilogy is happening to save face?

simply put? They’re fucking boring

>Disney buys fortnight for 4 billion dollars
>spends 1 billion and 5 years constructing a theme park
>nobody cares by the time it comes out
kek

Maybe make good movies?

Spinsters got a hold of the franchise.

Kids were never into Star Wars.
The only reason kids liked the prequels was because there was Anakin which they related to.

Marvel was all the boy franchise they thought they needed so they HRT'd Star Wars

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HRT?

Hormonal Replacement Therapy

>why aren't people excited for our trilogy of bland corporate gruel sandwiching a movie where the director takes a shit on their faces for daring to like the franchise?

George really was right

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>yfw the entirety of episodes 7 and 8 takes place over the course of like 24 hours

holy shit. I actually genuinely forgot there was a teaser trailer and official title for episode 9

That blur haired generic girl is a different character than the blue haired one at the new park?

>literally half of the audience doesn’t even show up to see the second movie

George Lucas is still a petty idiot but Disney has made him look sane. That's an accomplishment.

Why do they want to appeal to younger audiences anyway? The movie came out in the 70s so it's core audience would be older. Why even try to make an already established movie to appeal to young people and not your original audience?

>Also liked Luke’s character arc quite a bit
Then you never actually liked Luke.
The whole movie does nothing but shit on him, to the point of having him kill himself doing an easy Force trick Snoke already pulled off twice with Kylo & Rey, no sweat.

but why? why are they trying so hard to make girls like it when they clearly don’t and never will

>3rd movie coming up
>feels like nothing has even happened
I was too young for the original trilogy but I remember back in 06 or was it 07 when episode 3 came out it was a BIG fucking deal

When will you accept that feminists hate men?

>anons seriously responding to this obvious bait

I expanded the Google trends thing that’s been floating around.
It’s so much worse.
The franchise is fucking dead. Look at those peak drops for the term star wars overall.

How do you fuck up this bad? It’s printed money for decades. No name retards made games, pen and paper rpgs, even novels and comics in the 90s that kept the spirit alive and the franchise going long after the series was ‘finished’.

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>Rebel agent that avoids detection despite gaudy attire and problem hair.
Maybe they are the same character.

>Star Wars fatigue
When will this myth end? There's no such thing as Star Wars fatigue. People aren't engaging with Disney Wars because it sucks, not because there's too much of it. If anything there's not enough. We've only had two AAA Star Wars games since Disney acquired the IP, and they were both essentially the same thing. If they hadn't cancelled all those story driven Star Wars games that had been planned maybe more people would be on board with the series right now.

I did. It’s this classic “bold action against the odds” infiltration routine where they keep overcoming setbacks and the man of action pushes on out of intuition and courage against his chain of command. You see these things all the time and it always plays out the leader is a clueless dumbfuck and reckless heroism saves the day. So for them to subvert that by saying, the leader had a plan and reckless heroism is often dangerous and self-destructive was an interesting choice. And I liked the action itself too.

Yeah, the whole fleet running away the entire movie is what I mean by bad pacing and stakes. You could have contextualized the action in many other ways that would have been better. It would have been more interesting if the First Order wasn’t immediately this overwhelming Empire force. They didn’t have any choice after the Force Awakens but to frame it that way.

You could have had the same type of desperation as this fleeing with more weight to it if instead of some fleet escaping it was, the capital of the Republic under assault by an Empire revivalist movement or something. The pace and stakes would feel more natural and it would still fit in with the same themes and desperation. But they went with retarded Death Star 3.0 superweapon bullshit for reasons I’ll never understand.

maybe, but I think she's from one of the nu-cartoons I never saw

>obvious bait
There's no such thing as obvious bait anymore.
Reality & satire have become indistinguishable.

Man, being 7 when the Attack of the Clones came out and being able to enjoy that shlock as a wee lad, plastic lightsabers and clone action figures, that was the time to be a kid

>It’s doing a kind of deconstruction of a lot of elements of the series
Its just a lazy repeat of Yoda's arc you wannabe.

It's not logical. The reason it's not logical is because they aren't concerned about selling the most things or appealing to the most people. They're concerned about their houses being firebombed and their families being threatened if they go against social justice.

I dunno, the more I see of Disney Wars the more I think

a) Making Star Wars is clearly a lot fucking harder than it looks and
b) He deserves respect for doing something new with the prequels, no matter how clumsily executed, rather than just shitting out a bunch of fanservice and raking in the cash.

They were coasting off the massive pent up demand the first movie had. I think TRoS is going to make a lot of money, it'll be sold as "they've fixed it", but nobody is excited in the same way anymore.

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Our reality has become poes law

The corporate hacks at Disney thought they could do it better than various groups of geeky nerdy developers and writers who grew up obsessing over the franchise
The only heroes boys are allowed to have anymore are nigger athletes and rappers

The original saga wasnt really kids movies until the third act of the final movie

The movies are just directionless dribble that feels super fucking corporate and safe.

“Star Wars fatigue” is shit fucking excuse. Your movies suck! There hasn't been a good Star Wars movie since 1980! Just give us one and you'll break the box office record.

With TROS closing the new trilogy, I dont think the next trilogy will even do well.

For some reason people are always convinced that if you can dress it up just right you’ll somehow attract this huge untapped female audience. I was a kid in the nineties when they thought all it took was pink glitter and “grrl power” stamped on things. Nowadays they think it’s “muh representation”. We should probably just accept that they’re never going to realize any chicks that like sci fi are already into Star Wars and there’s no magic formula to make normalfag girls like it.

my opinion? a hamhanded attempt to get girls into "nerdy" things in order to spark interest in STEM.
But without showing the actual work involved "I bypassed the compresser! :3".
Same tactic happened & failed horribly with Wrinkle in Time, Ava doobidooday is a cancer.

>It’s printed money for decades

For decades, it had an autistic genius in overall charge, surrounded by an ecosystem of excellent creatives in the paperback/video game spaces

Now, it has soulless corporate Jews and a batshit insane Hillary voter in charge, who are patting themselves on the back for having wrung a record number of eggs out of the golden goose, even if it's started to make this strange wheezing choking noise when it breathes

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Slippery slope is no longer a logical fallacy

>milk the franchise
>tell the old fanbase to fuck off
>dont even care if your raping the lore
>pump it up with sjw&pc bullshit
>at some point everybody is telling you what you are doing wrong
>ignore it and do all the above shit even more

GEE WHIZ, WHO WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT COMING.

All this was foretold to us long ago. Why didn't we listen?

George had a lot of help with A New Hope and it was saved in editing but I have to credit it to him. That being said, the only reason Empire was as good as it was and Jedi was satisfying is because of the directors. They knew how to actually make a movie and tell a basic story. What Lucas criticized Disney for (and what he himself was guilty of for the prequels) was not finding a good director and letting them run with a vision and take risks. It's why the vast majority of Star Wars films now feel incoherent.

>why won't the next generation latch onto our soulless purely for-profit franchise like lobotomised pop culture zombies
>the generation are killing
Woe is me

It could've been so easy. Make this trilogy one last hurrah of the OT cast, like fucking EVERYONE wanted, have the next trilogy's leads be supporting characters. Would've had little problem carrying the next trilogy themselves, even with the expected minor dropoff of interest.
Instead they massively accelerated it & sacrificed the characters everyone gave a shit about so "we'd have no choice" but to "like" the new shitty characters.

shutup faggot

Do a flip.

we got an hero here

When I was a kid, I decided to watch all the 6 SW movies (there were only 6 at the time). Honestly, I couldn't see the reason why people love this shit so much, it's just an average capeshit plot in space.

>(and what he himself was guilty of for the prequels)
He went to directors like Spielberg but they all told him he should do it himself.

whats funny is the female demographic doesn't actually exist. market analytics firms keep trying to insist that it does, but the only thing that indicates the female demographic exists is how the vast majority of purchases, even makeup, are "by men." As in, with a man's credit/debit card.

It takes no more than half a second of thought to realize why this occurs, and it is most definitely not because there is a huge untapped market.

Nah, he was only supposed to do TPM & then pass it off, but it flopped so hard & got such a negative reaction he couldn't let it stand as the only one he did.

they didnt focus on what made star wars popular, the world building and wonder seeing fantastic planets, spaceships and lightsabers etc

in the original trilogy, it lookedl ike there was a whole elaborate universe that would continue past the edge of the camera frame. it sparked kids imaginations

this new saga seems just about forced representation

This
The diverse selection of video games really fueled the expanded universe and the interest in the entire series. Disney locking the rights down with one publisher, the most infamous EA, has stifled all interest. Imagine if we were still getting Jedi Outcast/KOTOR/Republic Commando tier games, people would actually give a shit I think

Is that last little tiny tick the actual trend data for tRoS? Holy shit.

Take your meds

>>Yeah, the whole fleet running away the entire movie is what I mean by bad pacing and stakes.

lmao it's literallty the first idea that pops into the head, not a good one

"Hm, Screenwriting 101 says I need high stakes and a ticking clock... I know, I'll make the whole movie a big chase scene!"

My main problem with the movie was that Screenwriting 102 says all characters must act at maximum capacity. They can't do retarded shit unless you're writing a comedy.

Everyone does retarded shit constantly. From the First Order not just hyperspacing half their fleet in front of the Rebels right up to everybody "escaping" out the back of a mountainside on a planet that's surrounded by giant warships

They weren’t shitting on his character though. He’s always been the impatient and emotional idealist who had to learn to have bravery in the face of despair.

Him making an emotionally driven mistake to prevent the resurgence of evil and failing is not really out of character. Self-isolated reflection was how his character growth in the original trilogy tended to work too.

It seems to me people wanted him to be some flawless enlightened master or something. Some Buddha figure.

No, he shopped TPM around as well. But the whole director's guild thing meant no one could work with him.

>more women in STEM
the biggest fucking meme ever. So fucking do it!

Think about being a kid.

Did you enjoy being lectured as a kid?

I didn't.

These modern movies that have more interest in lecturing the viewer, than being the fun thing people came to see.... they're lectures. They're not fun.

Of course the new generation doesn't enjoy them.

Some of that I can buy. Having him ultimately decide to stay on Kaczinsky island? And again, kill himself doing a weaker version of a Force trick than Snoke already pulled off?
Bullshit.

He should have stuck with his guns and did darth jarjar

>we need more women in STEM!

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It would be like if all the Prequel movies had DARE shit shoved into it. Kids these days see LGBTQP+ shit the exact same way

>remember pod racing?
>peperridge farm remembers

>imagine being a mopey teenager whose sole purpose is to fuck the jew princess and burn mostly to death in a volcano
Yeah that part of the prequels kicked ass!

>decides to abandon everyone and go hide on a rock somewhere in space
>leaves a map so people can find him

I'm going to assume JJ had some vague idea of Luke off wrangling with the basic source of the dark side vs the light or something, and Rian just went "bitter hermit lmao!"

I mean, if you're going to hide from the world until you die, why leave directions on how to find you?

>He’s always been the impatient and emotional idealist who had to learn to have bravery in the face of despair.

Well, except every movie he was in. Idealist sure, but the guy piloted a little fighter against a Death Star, ran into a confrontation with the guy who effortlessly killed his master in order to save his friends from torture, and then wandered in unarmed to that same guy's lair in order to redeem him to the light based solely on his faith in his ability to perceive a little flickering good in the evil guy's soul

"bitter coward" is not really congruous with that character.

That would've been the best outcome.
Would have actually earned the undeserved "the Prequels were actually GREAT" shit going around now. Are they better than the Yidsney garbage?
Yeah. But they still suck.

None of it was satisfying. That's the problem. Subverting enjoy

>They weren’t shitting on his character though. He’s always been the impatient and emotional idealist who had to learn to have bravery in the face of despair.
He was both patient and brave in rotj the hutt scenes showed that. So there's is no reason for him to lose those attributes he earned from the previous two films.

>Iger has attributed disappointing box-office figures to “Star Wars fatigue,” and he’s pledged to slow down the tempo of releases. But that doesn’t square with the success of Marvel, which reliably churns out a blockbuster every four to six months.

I want to find the fucking retard that wrote these sentences and powerdrill his skull to a pulp. It should be illegal for such a fucking retard to 1) work for fucking bloomberg of all places 2) make a decent salary 3) speak about film making when he knows fucking nothing about it.

First he's assuming that all franchises are interchangable units that can be treated the same, as if they're selling fucking oranges or something. Marvel and Star Wars are case studies on how to properly adapt a series for film

Second, he's implying that people who pay a paltry sum to watch movies will proceed to spend a ludicrous amount of money traveling to disney land and wasting their vacation hours seeing some corporate bullshit when they could go anywhere else in the world like Europe or South America instead.

Marvel took generally unknown characters and created simple but well executed movies. They won't win oscars and are not intellectual but they are generally entertaining. There is a degree of respect for the source material and you can tell a lot of time and effort has been put into them.

Star Wars took a beloved franchise and made the sacrifices of all the original characters meaningless, shoehorned uninteresting and unlikeable characters and thought we would be stupid enough to lap it up just because it has the logo on it.

So his first assumption is stupid. Just because one film series can make money predictably doesn't mean every film series can you god damn fucking asshole that probably makes 150k working for bloomberg and living in New York.

Also going to theme parks is fucking pleb central. It's like taking a cruise. In this day and age, people with taste go to Paris or Tokyo or somewhere cool like that.

I’ve seen this a million times, it is fake right?

Lucas' greatest failure with regard to the prequel was focus testing the movie.

because its literally all the fucking same

>dark space
>boring cliche characters
>muh good vs muh evil
>big space ship go boom

you need diversity, that's why rogue one was such a surprising ht because it was unique, colorful, female lead and from a unique perspective of a commoner (ish)

meanwhile marvel you have:

>generic avengers trilogy
>black panther
>doctor strange
>spiderman
etc. variety

Disney is not stupid, they know what the audience what (webm related), but they're willingly sacrificing revenue to push their agenda.

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I truly hope so

>alienate everyone who enjoyed core aspects of SW by removing them
>fundamentally change the series
>wtf i guess SW just doesn't appeal to kids anymore
i'm so sick of these stupid boomers writing their own timelines

Because it is fucking boring as hell.

Say what you will about the Prequel, but George knew to pack it with over-the-top lightsaber battles and spaceship battles.
Not to mention the creation of Clone Troopers allowed for even more action in media (like the Clone Wars Show) and were liked by kids.

No kid was ever going to like these new boring ass movies (especially not shit characters like Holdo or Rose)

People with taste dont get to Paris anymore unless they want to be robbed by niggers, its actually pretty sad what's happened

I don't like nuwars but this chart isn't really fair. Last Jedi came out December 15, 2017, you can tell that's when the spike is. Same for Force Awakens.

This chart will have a Rise of Skywalker spike when the movie releases. Smaller than the others, sure, but that's every film series ever.

>luke, leia, chewbacca and han continue to have miserable shitty lives despite all their hard work in defeating the empire. They're literally being resurrected and tortured for our amusement
>The originals are now all completely meaningless and were a total waste of time. Have fun digesting while you're struggling to enjoy these new movies.
>Originals were an amazing story about one scrappy sturggling director who gave us something miraculous. New movies are corporate, made by comittiee soulless trash.

>they're not stupid they're killing themselves to push something that won't make them money

? sounds pretty stupid to me

Truth is, only the first movie was good.

It’s his Obi-wan “strike me down and I’ll become more powerful than you can imagine” thing. He’s taking over the role of master and mentor like his masters did, becoming a force ghost to guide the younger hero. He’s ascended like Yoda, Qui-Gon and Obi-Won- made mistakes, learned, found peace, passed wisdom.

Oh shut the fuck up you goddamn //pol/tard asshole. Don't hijack the thread with your zombie memes.

>if you maintain a consistent quality nobody will get tired of a series

But they did. TFA was shit, rogue one was shit, TLJ was shit, solo was shit.

>why don't kids like star wars? we put a negro and a womens in it, and pulled all the old actors people liked decades ago out of their geriatric homes so we could humiliate them and murder them (except for the only one who actually died)
>i mean i don't get why children don't love something their grandparents and great grandparents were into

>to push their agenda
I hate Disney for what they've done, but I don't buy the conspiracy theory. If anything they want white males to be detached media consumers so they fall out of society, so why would they steal your games and movies and trigger you to be politically active? That's counter productive.

I think it's just chasing money. They saw wealthy and unaware, Che-Guevera-T-Shirt progressives spending $50 a week at Starbucks and said "how can we bring them into the tent?" Their focus groups found out that white males must be destroyed to appease these upper class white progressives.

Taking big losses now to push an agenda that will lead to 80 IQ walking consumers that will never question you is a long term play.

>I was too young for the original trilogy but I remember back in 06 or was it 07 when episode 3 came out it was a BIG fucking deal
2005. They stuck to the OT schedule of a new movie every three years:

TFA: 1999
AotC: 2002
RotS: 2005

It defies business logic, but if you look into the leadership you'll understand what happened. Kathleen Kennedy convinced George Lucas to name her CEO of Lucasfilm. The story is that George asked her and she pretended to be surprised. No, this woman is a snkae in the sand and advertised herself as completely different person to George, a woman who respects the creative process and independent filmmaking. Turns out she is the most soulless suit working at Hollywood. Now this woman's decisions show one thing, she has a huge grudge against men, probably because she had to suck lines of dicks to climb the corporate ladder. Now she's the boss and she's out for revenge destroying everything George created, all his male character have been humiliated and killed off while all females are stronk and magical.
The exact same thing is happening with Marvel, Victoria Alonso is a lesbian male hater who is making Marvel into feminist and LGBT friendly shitfest. It's obvious where her hatred for men comes from since she's a disgusting dyke. I suspect Kathleen kennedy could be a closet lesbian as well, and Kiri Hart could be her lover. They both have some serious dykish vibes. Their hatred for men is palpable.

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If Star Wars still had a white male lead, I guarantee you this would not be happening.

>redshirts

Thats Star Trek: The Next Generation, my reddit dude.

>writes long and thoughtful post critiquing the articles
>your only contribution is /pol/tard squaling about muh niggers.

/pol/tards killed meaningful discussion forever. Every single fucking thread dissolved into this goddamn bullshit.

>Disney is not stupid
That's where you're wrong kiddo

Why not just allot a Rey to every visitor as a park waifu and then watch Galaxy's Edge fill up with incel fans.

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I saw TFA three times, once on opening, once with my family, once with my girlfriend. Saw TLJ once and told everyone I knew to not see it.

It's not that they're stupid it's just now it's too late and they can never turn back.

The place is a shithole because of immigration, stop crying and deal with it.

>How do you fuck up this bad?
It's simple, hire a failed secretary to manage your franchise. First thing she does is sideline George and all the guys who are loyal to him, sideline the guys who directly threaten her position. Hire loyal female friends at top positions, they do the same. Very quickly it's a cesspool of nepotism and incompetence.

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Kathleen Kennedy literally happened.

She made a big speech at some convention that Star Wars has only been for Boys and that Star Wars should be for Boy AND Girls (aka only for Girls).

Making star wars is so easy, any idiot could do it. Hell, give me five minutes and I will give you an episode nine worth watching.

The directors and writers on the OT still needed guidance from George.

Prequels were only hampered by late 90's/early 00's George going it alone on writing and directing (though he still had help there). They were incoherent at times but there was still a vision in the prequels.

Sequels seem like they were made by people who listened to people who parroted RLM talking points (and don't forget Simon Pegg and Rian Johnson were watching them) and people from Woke Twitter.

Gay

And she's been promising a woman director since before Force Awakens and has hired a (((white))) male every single time.

I know right? I used to always play the clone trooper enemy for my little brother to fight. I’m pretty sure they struck gold with the idea of a world populated by thousands of Jedi, and I’m still shocked they didn’t just cash in on Harry Potter in Space feat. Dumbleluke for the ST.

But that's not happening. the "80 IQ" are watching reality television and youtube and aren't interested in anything with a plot, narratives, or character arcs. So disney is spending billions of dollars to do what reality television and youtube are doing for, basically, free.

You can try to argue disney is trying to attract people with spectacle, but again, a non-film medium (video games) are a stronger medium for spectacle and already have the attention of the "80 IQ"

The reality is film is dying and disney is desperate, and in their desperation is making continually bad decisions which simply worsen their position. Even their attempts to chase the china demographics are floundering because even china wants what hollywood used to be, not what it currently is. Because the main selling point to chinese people is "this is unlike china."

He’s not bitter coward though, really.

I saw it more as, he’s been on this journey and become one of the most powerful people in the galaxy and when he makes a mistake it has big consequences so he feels it’s better if he just shuts himself off from everything rather than wield his power and potentially fuck things up. That strikes me as a real interpretation of sensitive person trapped in guilt and self-doubt.

t. Rian Johnson

>Genuinely liked the Last Jedi
no
>Republic getting instantly BTFO by First Order and having only skeleton crew left seems like very lazy writing.
yes
>homely Chinese girl
she's Vietnamese
>purple haired admiral was a little on the nose
more than a little
>the whole casino heist plot having this long playout with low odds of success failing was good
it was cornball cringe and a complete waste of screentime, the inconsistencies and conveniences should be enough to see it as shit

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I saw TFA once, I bought tickets for jumanji 2 to see TLJ, and then I bought tickets for jumanji 2 again to see jumanji 2

Maybe it's time they came up with some new ideas instead of milking a franchise that's been around since the 70's

Even as a 9 year old watching Phantom Menace I thought it was offputting.

Can you believe that TLJ made a collaboration with Louboutin to design customized stilettos? Imagine being the nutjob behind this stunt. Do they really think there are SW fans who buy stilettos?

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>aren't interested in anything with a plot, narratives, or character arcs.
so that would explain why netflix is hugely popular with normies would it?

>Harry Potter in Space
Since Star Wars came first wouldn't that make Harry Potter Star Wars in school not the other way around?

>make propaganda bullshit for 30 something liberals instead of fun movies for all ages
>WOOW WHY DONT KIDS LIKE OUR MOVIES IS IT BECAUSE OF RACIST INCELS??

Why would kids like Star Wars? The retro-futuristic aesthetic would just be weird to children.

do you have them webm of the one guy who has his sword straight up disappear mid fight?

You sound like a church mom. There is nothing in the OT that kids couldn't handle. Those movies were popular because they were fantasy fairy tales for children about clear cut good and evil.
youtube.com/watch?v=THKzwzieF40

What were they expecting?
It's all disney wars shit, only liked by childless bugmen.

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you're a moron, he was using redshirts as a replacement for cannon fodder or no name'd snoke guards

you remember the coluor the guards that Kylo and rey fought wore?

Fuck off, shill

Sith movie when ?

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The problem isn't that she didn't keep that promise, the problem is that she made that promise in the first place. Now are you aware that Bryce Dallas Howard and some chink woman will direct episodes of the Mandalorian? Why? because they are female and apparently it's more important than being good at your job. Now JJ and Rian have set the bar so low, you can be sure there will be a lot of female directors in the future

Think bigger. The only groups capable of resisting people like Disney are the one being targeted. The dumber a population, the more it's appealed to.

The casino thing being a waste of time was what I liked about it though. It’s this big buildup for a total dead end red herring. I thought it was hilarious to have all these convenient coincidences all turn to shit and have been a waste of time. Passionate reckless heroism is heavily idealized especially in Star Wars, so having a plot where it blows up caught me off guard.

Star Wars Fatigue is mainly being pushed by Disney and its shills as a way to avoid saying that the film quality was terrible or how any other tie-ins like games or tie-in novels are unsatisfying.

Either it's a way to stay deluded or they know all that stuff was dogshit internally but don't want to tank the stock further by saying "yeah, these were poorly made".

I really doubt it. Well find out though. The reason BDH got a spot is because of her dad coming in at the last minute to save their disaster.

Little boys are prideful as fuck and don’t want self-insert in to girls(lol). Cultural patriarchy thing or not, it’s the way they are.

I’m sure girls enjoy Rey well enough, but for the most part it’s really just grown-ass women that are gushing about her. All in all, Starwars just isn’t being marketed toward kids anymore, it’s being marketed toward ironic nerds. There’s nothing in it for children.

Fuck off, if you want a good subversion of Star Wars play KOTOR 2.

TFA still sucked. I got an early screening ticket. Saw it with a buddy. Saw how shitty it was after the first 10 minutes then promptly fell asleep for a good 20 mins. Asked my buddy what I missed and he said not much. Judging by what was going on onscreen he was right. Tr8er was literally the only good part. Sad thing is I had high hopes for TFA since JJtrek felt more like SW than Trek. I am so dissatisfied with Disney wars that I consider anything post Lucas as non-canon.

>I think it's just chasing money. They saw wealthy and unaware, Che-Guevera-T-Shirt progressives spending $50 a week at Starbucks and said "how can we bring them into the tent?"
Really this. They trotted out the Ghostbusters 2016 defense fast enough that the socjus crowd has to swear they like it, but if they hadn’t it would’ve been ripped apart for “How dare this woman need to be ‘shown her place!’” “How dare the black guy be comic relief!” “How dare the Asian woman crash her car!”

The content does lip service to the market they’re trying to capture but is laughably bad at pushing the agenda the socjus crowd is supposed to want. None of those smoothbrains notice because they just didn’t watch it or stopped thinking during it.

I mean seriously, how fucking hard would it have been to start anew from the victorious rebels falling apart rather than jumping straight into rebellion again.
Since I'll never get hired to write here's your plot:
>most of the universe is pretty peaceful despite the republic wiping out the remainder of the empire's troops
>han and leia drift apart since he can't handle diplomatic life
>luke fucks off to start jedi camp
>victorious rebels trap the empire to one planet where they are besieged
>a ship attempts to run the blockade but is stopped
>find out the smugglers are working for han!!!
>leia confronts him but he can't tell her about it
>it's a secret op to find the location of a sith base luke had sensed but there are spies within the republic
>its actually one of the paddywans manipulating luke to turn them all against one another

not a webm but close enough

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"we're missing 50% of the market! xD"

any girl that could be interested in star wars/whatever already was or would have been by a normal approach.

based shalom ayash

>you now remember TLJ opened with a “yo mama” joke

It's not that kids can't handle them, but they're not just for kids, either. Because they're fairytales as you describe, they're deeply satisfying narratives full of archetypes that resonate with people of all ages, and they don't condescend to children in a way that would make them unappealing to adults.

The same character made a worse mistake, nearly serving himself up to Vader and the Emperor on a platter. Somehow he did not retreat and spend ROTJ as a hermit on Tatooine

It just makes no sense. Obi-Wan trained Vader, which turned out to be a huge fuckup for the galaxy -- he then watched over Luke until Luke was old enough to start training.

Luke trained Kylo, then decided to give up on the Force entirely and go hermit alone on a space rock until he died. But leaving a map so anyone who really wanted to could find him.

It's like Rian got really high one night, and plotted out every story beat based on the literal first thing that popped into his head.

>what's the main conflict?
>A giant chase scene! They're stuck on their ship! It'll be like Snowpiercer with a ticking clock! Claustrophobic! Drama!
>wait, I have all these characters who'll need stuff to do, and I gotta have at least one romance. And I guess the audience is expecting lots of planets and shit
>aha! I'll send two of them off on a side mission or something. Like to... find someone who'll help them! Yeah! And they'll fall in love during that! Two arcs down!
>shit, I gotta figure out what Luke's doing on his mystery planet
>ha! He's bitter and turned his back on the Force! Just like Timon of Athens! And Rey will get him back in the saddle, another two arcs!
>and I'll have Poe conflict with an Admiral, because.... ha! A secret plan that she won't tell him, so he thinks she's an idiot! Done and done!

etc. Every basic sequence in the movie is bad, and I suspect it's because he just fell in love with his first original "Snowpiercer with a ticking clock" concept, and didn't realize how it does not work with an ensemble cast in a gigantic Star Wars galaxy

Was this film edited in real time?

I’m so confused by this. He motions as if he’s stabbing her in the back and she even seems to react that way but the knife is just gone

;^)

A real easy way to show that fall of the rebellion leadership is that the remnants of the empire still had the wealth and means to convince other planetary leaders their best interests lie with them. More money, more weapons to pick a fight with that race you hated, political sway in the new first order. And the rebels were never really united outside their hate of the empire and went their separate ways. They could have had their political parallels and have it fit.

A significant part of Star Wars' success was that it was a special effects spectacle. What was the last movie that blew minds like that? Avatar?
John Williams getting old doesn't help things either.

No violence against woman.

Are you saying allowing people with massive ideological differences to you to stay in places you formerly felt happy in has lead to a lessening of your happiness?

>Why don't kids like the new Star Wars????
There are no heroes to support. Rey is the equivalent of God. There's a reason kids don't play with Jesus figurines and why superman was considered such a boring character for so many decades

Would be ultimate pottery

>saw TFA thrice, including bringing my family to iMax
>total tickets: 10
>saw TLJ once with my usual movie group
>total tickets: 3
>went to the theater on Solos opening weekend but told everyone we should watch Deadpool instead. They were mildly interested in Solo but without me organizing they never ended up going back to see it
>total tickets: 0
I’m genuinely curious to see how much “my nerd friend didn’t drag me along” impacts ticket sales.

Doing it in a mega-budget blockbuster is a lot ballsier than doing it in some extended universe video game.

The biggest mistake was making the Republic paper thin and having the First Order be as powerful as the Empire. They really fucked up the dramatic tension and wrote themselves into a corner.

They were for a charity auction.

Imagine watching these new movies without having watched the OT or the prequels. It would be a pretty lackluster experience.

Yeah but I’m thinking more of the classroom stuff with the little kids. There wasn’t a ton of that and Anakin went from kid to adult off-screen so we didn’t get highly-relatable school shenanigans.

Rey is a bad person to have as the main character. She has no personality ugly. Kids will pick up that shes terrible.

The villain of the show looks fucking stupid.

no wonder the film was shit, the director wasn't even directing.
>knocks on ryan's office door
>ryans secretary - "sorry ryans not in at the moment, he is busy designing shoes"
>why the fuck is he designing shoes, we still have his bs ww2 in space scene to write despite the story boarding being finished 3 months ago, the stunt men don't have a fight choreographer but have a dance instructor instead, the prop department have gone insane designing alien poker chips, the gorilla walkers have taken over Cincinnati zoo and mark Hamill is contemplating suicide since he just read the script, WHY THE FUCK IS THE DIRECTOR/WRITER DESIGNING FUCKING SHOES!

It’s a lackluster experience either way

Star Wars is over, accept it. All the elements that made it what is was are gone.

I've only seen bits and pieces of TLJ, but if Finn and Rose had simply died five minutes into the movie, wouldn't the plan to hide out in the Rebel base while the First Order kept on chasing the abandoned fleet have gone off perfectly?

Well yeah we told you TLJ killed Star Wars, how much more evidence do you want?

all the problems star wars has today are for two reasons. The first movie sucked.
The second movie sucked so much that fans dont even watch anyore.

In entertainment, there is no "big" anymore. Film is dying because its not the only option. Theaters used to be able to sell tickets to literally anything because people would pay to sit in a dark, air conditioned room. Now air conditioning is almost ubiquitous. This applies to literally every draw "film" ever had. Tickets sales have been in decline almost since the moment hollywood popped into existence.

Every time ticket sales have dropped hollywood chased a new/different demographic. Most often the young. Now the young aren't a chasable demographic due to the sheer volume of options they have. So they chase the female demographic because , which doesn't work because the female market doesn't actually exist.

what you're desperate to believe is a conspiracy attacking you, personally, is just the same things hollywood has always done, the only difference is, now, they aren't working.

>even the trailer reaction guy viral marketing couldn't save the film

kek

Kids are not the SW target audience. 70's and 90´s fags are. Kids are just taken along the raid because it´s parental logic to try to bond with your kid showing them what used to be cool when you where a kid.

The problem here is that Disney made the worst possible move. It tried to capitalize on the older audiences while appealing to the younger audiences and both audiences like different shit. As a result the movies doesn´t know what they are supposed to be. They are no MCU silly fun for today´s generation and they are not SW as understood by the older fans. I feel that the movies would be better if they had gone full MCU with original characters and on a totally different time period/ part of the galaxy or if they had gone full fanservice focusing on the original trio getting together again as Hamill sugested. Both options would have resulted in better movies. But no, they got greedy and went for all or nothing. As it stands DW is nothing but a forgettable summer blockbuster.

>The biggest mistake was making the Republic paper thin and having the First Order be as powerful as the Empire.

This a thousand times. Possibly the dumbest decision Rian made. JJ and Kasdan conceptualized the First Order as "What if the Nazis hiding out in Argentina made an atomic bomb". The Republic was the government of the galaxy, Leia's Resistance was so small because the Republic didn't consider the First Order an actual threat.

They were never supposed to be the Empire, and having them go from a bunch of terrorists on one planet to literally having conquered the entire galaxy and they're flying a Death Star Dorito ship as the core of an entire fleet -- I mean, TLJ picks up exactly where TFA left off! Rey's still holding out the lightsaber!

They had like 30 seconds to take over the entire galaxy and debut their gigantic fleet. All because Rian wanted that Empire/Rebels set up again

Star Wars just never had a good moment that caught peoples attention.

Prequels First Movie had Pod Racing that captured the imagination of kids, the water world and Vader jr.

Second movie had lots of battles and gladiators

Third movie has so many epic moments that it cemented Star Wars as a childs brand all the way to 2012 untill Disney Star Wars killed it among kids.

>I like my time being wasted
It wasn't passionate heroism that turned to waste, they were just retarded. They went there with a goal of talking to the guy with the brooch, but then get arrested for parking on the beach, but then break out because Benicio del Toro is just hanging out there for some reason, then they completely forget about the brooch guy and go on a horse-dog chase instead of getting in a disguise, but Benicio the deus ex machina not only picks them up, he has the very rare trait of knowing how to do the thing they needed the brooch guy for. It didn't all turn to shit or blow up, it all gets magically resolved at the end because the entire scene is pure stupidity.

>Your options are to like our new OC-donotsteal characters or find a new franchise. What will it be? Hahaha we own you
>...
>...wait what? where are you going? Don't you want to see what Rey will do next? Luke's coming back! You know we were just kidding when we said we owned you right?

>buy franchise know for be a multimedia franchise
>destroy all the multimedia and only focus in movies that are pure shit
yeah why it's failling?

what? Prequels had every kid talking about it in school.

I have no answers for you

star wars is not a kids franchise, its not a man baby franchise. Its a family franchise, its for adult men with kids to put on and watch with their kids knowing they all will enjoy it.

Disney have pissed of the adult fans who will shoe the film to their kids and they made it boring and mundane to kids.

I honestly and genuinely forgot that the reaction image was from a star wars teaser trailer. I forgot they named episode 9 and I forgot it was even coming out 3 months

>70's and 90´s fags are
We don't want SW anymore. It's like someone dug up an old relative and mechanized their body and added a tape recorder with impressions of aunt Gertie's best saying, but it just horrifies you instead of filling you with comfort.

No. My shitpost would actually make sense.

Who knows if they remember how the studios started giving up power in the early 70s and spreading their budgets to midrange movies hoping for more hits. Not everything needs $100-200 million budgets. You get way too many studio execs coming to set that way. Thats what universal did in 2015, but they really haven't been able to it again.

These directors get snatched up to do a by-the-numbers blockbuster so they can go do another passion project. Nolan did his time and has a blank check now.

REY IS SO GOD DAM FUCKING STUPID I DONT CARE ABOUT HER GET HER OFF THE SCREEN AND THIS IS COMING FROM A HARD CORE FAN. STOP MAKING THE STORY ABOUT HER NOT ONE FUCK IS GIVEN ABOUT HER.

90% of the film was pointless. transport vessels being slowly picked off one by one when they had the ability to kamikaze ex machina their way out of there at any time. i don't even fucking remember why they were planetside on salth, i just recall the reasoning for minority casino adventure and that had an ILLEGAL PARKING JOKE which just fucking.... good lord. dexter jettsters diner was a meme because it was totally retarded not because we wanted more of the same nonsense

fuck. i went into it expecting to dislike it and usually that has my expectations low enough to be pleasantly surprised (worked for TFA, which i did not mind at all). no, TLJ managed to disappoint me regardless.

>The reason BDH got a spot is because of her dad coming in at the last minute to save their disaster.
HAHA, Solo was a disaster anyway and it would have done better if they just let those guys finish their films, but KK wants things to go her way even if it will cost hundreds of millions $. Now BDH is Howard's son but she's female and that is definitely the main reason she was hired. She has barely any directing experience. It's a disgrace what happened to Lucasfilm

I was pretty comforted by the fact george lucas would never touch the franchise again.

AND THEN DISNEY PAYS PARENTS TO TAKE PICTURES OF KIDS PLAYING WITH BRAND NEW REY DOLLS ON SOCIAL MEDIA. JUST TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE SHES POPULAR THESE STUPID FUCKS FUCKED THEMSELVES UP. BUY YOUR OWN FUCKING TICKETSFOR THESE REY MOVIES DISNEY.

Really the world building is garbage and I don’t think normalfags understand how much this hurts a sci-fi.

One of RJ’s “big fancy scenes” was just a casino populated by a bunch of people who could have been dressed for any of our modern white tie events. He picked something super familiar to himself and lacks the imagination to come up with something properly alien.

Terrible opinion, user.

Its an unpopular opinion that I disagree with, but hey, I've got a ton of unpopular opinions on a bunch of topics. I agree with what you mean regarding the intended audience. To me, it felt like they were women in their early 20's writing for "everybody" (aka themselves while hitting some corporate checkboxes). Would you agree to that?

>They were for a charity auction.
It doesn't matter, they could have made a collab with any brand they wanted but choose some luxury female shoes instead. it says it all. KK transformed SW into what she likes not what the audience wants

>make your new star wars themepark look like a giant junk yard in the desert
>wonder why people don't want to visit during 90+ degree summer weather
J U S T

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>ta fantom anus

The whole point was that they should have just followed chain of command instead of going off emotional impulse, and it’s rare you see a movie ever treat a leader as anything but a nagging coward so I rather liked that about it.

the prequels and everything that came after were total garbage, my young friend. the fact disney didn't do better doesn't change this.

Also there were absolutely zero stakes involved in the whole sequence.

>we have to find the code cracker!
>ok well we didn't but Benicio here seems pretty cool
>we escaped, now to get to our ship and leave this planet where we achieved literally nothing for the story
>turns out the code cracker wouldn't have helped anyway oh well xD!

Who writes this

Rey is the poochie of Star Wars

>saves your franchise

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> i don't even fucking remember why they were planetside on salth
If I remember correctly their brilliant purple leader’s plan was to hide on the only planet for a literal million miles and hope the FO doesn’t check it. Also something about needing the base to contact allies but they were able to call orange Yoda in the beginning so I don’t know what the fuck is up with that.

Mark about JJ, Rian, George and this mess

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consider your expectations subverted

When I was a kid, I grew up watching the OT and couldn't wait for ep7. Then the ST came out and I was enthralled. But ep7 was still what I was waiting for more than anything.
I saw TFA 3 times in cinema. I didn't watch TLJ in cinema once

>the prequels and everything that came after were total garbage
TPM was kino and so was Solo. Not lying.

It also opened with a yo mama joke

So you're mentally retarded. How's that workin for ya?

Trump was elected. That's literally it. TDS is very real.

Boring, pointless, nihilistic, and embarrassing. The movie sucked too.

pic related

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>still no 3rd person action adventure game set during the OT and after, playing as Luke SKywalker

they're going to do everything but admit they fucked up for the rest of eternity

I tend to get what I want, so breddy good.

I don't know how to code can someone explain why the girls one is retarded? I'm not sceptical that it is I just have no way to tell.

Unironically the only Disney Wars movie I liked. A Vietnam/heist movie instead of the usual samurai/pilot movie was an original idea and it was executed well enough

>but le plinkett man said it had stormtroopers so it's just fanservice hur

It's literally set during that time, how the fuck could it not have stormtroopers?
>so I watched this WW2 movie and ten minutes in HERE COME THE NAZIS AGAIN wow so ORIGINAL more Nazi fan service

yeah, shutting down lucas arts and selling the rights ONLY to EA was a huge sign shits fucked

Fuck nevermind I had just briefly glanced at it. I'm retarded.

It could have been good if they hadn't made it about a stronk independent womyn again

>we took a dump on the fans' games, their movies, and their very identities by attacking white males
>why the fuck don't they love us?!

Captain Marvel/Black Panther/Get Out/Us

reminds me of disney trying to shill those penguins to kids and all the people on social media talking about collecting them.

>people with taste go to Paris
yeah to be robbed by muslims niggers

Dumb opinions ITT.

It's not about wokeness, it's not about the movies "feeling" like SW or not.

It's about it not being MCU. ALL mainstream audiences car about anymore is the MCU. Anything else gets rejected

Nothing you say contradicts what I said. Movies aren't making money anymore so what we need are braindead mindless Netflix tier shows full of cliches and a population of 80 IQ retards to match.

they tried so blatantly hard to make porgs a “thing” it’s so funny how nobody gives a shit or even remembers them

Yeah, more or less. They didn’t really aim it kids and they didn’t aim at the mostly male older base. They clearly wanted more girls to like it, but then why put in all this referential stuff only old fans are going to pick up on? Too broad and unsure of what it wants to be.

I like that they made bold choices with a lot of the writing, but the shoehorned rebels versus empire thing is extremely clunky and everything I like about the Last Jedi would have been better with a more thought out overall plot with better stakes and pacing.

>Huge part of the next generation are white boys
>Nu Star Wars doesn't have a single positive role model for them to identify with
>If anything the new Star Wars movies go out of their way to demonize men and masculinity in general

kids want to see “fun” and “cool” movies. The MCU is fun for kids nu Wars isn’t, it really is that simple

>Star Wars fatigue
Two decades of Star Wars, hundreds of books, dozens of videogames, six awesome Clone wars seasons and only when SW gets woke I suddenly have fatigue, right.

That would've been okay if the leaders in the film were competent to begin with.

kek

The Porgs were the only cool thing about TLJ.

#RehireMichaelEisenhower

Give me 10million and I’ll save Star Wars

Is it tho?

They need too take the series in a new direction. Fuck movies. Make a standalone series set in the universe about... Bounty Hunters and- oh wait nevermind

Well deserved, fuck Disney.

is this you?

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>implying they allow any creativity in this franchise

they treat star wars seriously old fashioned

WTF???!! I didn't give you pahmish8un to post my pic!

That's because it WAS a big fucking deal
>republic is going to war with its clone armies
>Anakin is going to fall to the dark side and become Darth Vader
The final shots of episode 2 were the clone army taking off in big star destroyer-like ships to go to battle. It was hype as fuck and everyone wanted to see the shit that was about to go down.
Force Awakens' ending was sort of interesting, but Last Jedi has nothing going for it. There's literally no reason to go see the third movie.

even if they bring in a creative person Kennedy will just fire them anyway

Yeaahh, that's what I was feeling.
Besides for just general personal preferences, I agree that bold choices would spice things up.

so we're both saying film is dying and nothing disney is going to try will actually work, and that believing there is some agenda to push a conspiracy is simply idiotic.

cool.

Needs more white women with shitskin pairings

needed more reylo

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they’re both so fucking ugly holy shit lol

The irony is that the Porgs are the best-selling thing from the Sequel Trilogy, maybe also BB-8. It's that bad.

woof

My girlfriend laughed out loud in the theater when Kylo took his helmet off in TFA. She told me how he looked like a complete doofus and couldn't take him seriously.

Weird because Driver seems to be fine normally, but he looks pretty fucking ugly in the movie. They did the same to Tran.

spbp

CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES

>You sound like a church mom. There is nothing in the OT that kids couldn't handle.
Just because something is safe for kids to watch doesn't make it a kids movie.

>My girlfriend laughed out loud in the theater when Kylo took his helmet off in TFA
The gal next to me during TLJ giggled in the bad way when he had his shirt off.

Just wait for the MCU decline now.

weird adults are their core demo. they've strayed from that trying to go mainstream and this is the result.

>that stuntman react at stunts video where the stuntman watches the sequences and visibly cringes and then tries not to shit on it much

This. They said the same thing about Gundam "fatigue" in the 1990s, and of course it turned out to be wrong.

They didn't go mainstream, they went woke, which is a niche demographic. It's completely reatarded but that's what happens when you give leadership to women. Jews finally got a taste of their own medicine

at least he put some effort into it. unlike you

for the sake of series longevity, but they go about it ass backwards. this fanbase could propel it to new heights even with the new generation, but not if you anger them.

literally everyone who could tell them anything would tell them the mainstream is "woke." because that's literally all social media is. so they did try to go mainstream. Just because they failed doesn't mean they didn't try.

because the original audience isn't buying tickets/merch.

Women have always been niche consumers, you can't tap the "female" market. If you look at a lot of goods which have traditionally been for women (beauty products, dolls, purses), different products and brands have what they often deem a cult following. And a lot of women don't even recognize this, because they assume everyone wants the same thing I want

>omg I love my coach bag
>I'm going to buy little coach wallets for all my friends

Which their friends pretend to like, then never use. Which is why girling up star wars won't work, there's a small portion of women that are actually interested in star wars, then a much nicer portion that will talk on social media about how nice it is star wars has strong female stars, then maybe once go and see the movie, which they did anyway when the prequels came out.

That's because you're an imbecile.

Women are the biggest consumer demographic. Not necessarily with media, but with consumer goods and purchases made by married couples. They spend their own and their spouses money, meaning they are making a larger proportion of spending choices than most people realize. It’s a pretty significant margin too if I recall correctly. Not to mention the entire beauty industry.

George lucas shit the bed at ewoks, nigga, and didn't stop shitting that bed until he sold it for other people to shit it. Try as they might, disney will never be able to shit the bed as hard or as long as george lucas did.

Hell, they barely even shit the bed a little bit with TFA and people crucified them for it.

the issue that is causing people to think women are a huge untapped market is because purchase data won't show "this is not actually the cardholder making the purchase."

>First five minutes. Kylo exploring some forbidden sanctum belonging to snoke, finds out how first order grew so fast, and why they wanted to find Skywalker, but we are not told why. Kylo talks about an ultimate weapon. But its location is encrypted and there is no explanation about what it is.
>One of the resistance's attacks happens, the encrypted location of the ultimate weapon gets stolen. They barely get away. It begins as a rogue attack, but more and more random volunteers join up and save the day. The resistance is growing.
>The resistance spends almost 40 min of the movie trying to find the man who stole the map, maybe Poe. Followed by Phasma's troops and the knights of Ren, who hound Rey, as they can sense her. Rey decides that she will go solo Because her presence attracts the enemy. She can feel Kylo and the dark side creeping up on her. She doesn't tell anyone about this.
>The resistance is very small, but they have friends everywhere. The crew, with Leia's ship go into an isolated planet to find Poe, Who reveals that what they are looking for is no weapon, But some sort of station that can build entire fleets in a matter of weeks.
>Luke's ghost convinces Rey to stop being a whiny bitch and go fight with her friends. It works.
>Phasma tries to ambush them for the last time. Rey comes back at the last moment to save the day vs the knights of Ren. Phasma escapes.
>They get on Leia's ship and escape. Then they get boarded, lights go dim. Sith, mist and Kylo.
>Kylo and Rey Fight kind of like on episode V.
>He plays with her mind and wins. After she is defeated, He tries to convince her to go to the dark side, but her will is too strong.
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>larger proportion of spending choices than most people realize. It’s a pretty significant margin too

Yeah, it is a fucking 85%.

>Not to mention the entire beauty industry.
Speaking of the beauty industry I recall seeing some Star Wars branded makeup before.

Which is fucking crazy because women don’t buy makeup to be an accessory that signals their hobbies. It’s more like a tool than a t-shit, shit needs to WORK when you apply it to your face. Who the fuck is going to buy a Millennium Falcon shaped eyeshadow palette over their trusted brand that they spent years trying to find? If they really wanted that route it should’ve just been play makeup marketing at little girls.

>it should’ve just been play makeup marketing at little girls.
>hey kids, do you want to apply makeup out of a rusty old spaceship compact???

Trying to target women instead of trying to make good movies is generally seen as the reason disney star wars failed.

user do you not know how bank accounts work? Most dudes get individual cards for whatever family members, including wives.

And even putting that aside, the market research agencies are not clutching their heads going “Middle aged men are the primary consumers of children’s clothing because the purchase was made with their credit card!”

2/2
>Kylo about to kill her, but he is stopped by Leia. He hesitates.
> Suddenly Snoke's voice can can be heard. Just as he reveals, everything has been going according to his plan, he walks in.
>Kylo loses it and attacks him. He gets wrecked.
>Snoke reveals himself to be darth Xxx Who uses clones, lifeless bodies which he occupies to return to life. but the bodies are not strong enough to contain him. He needs a proper vessel. A clone of Skywalker would have been perfect, but Rey also works.
>Leia dies saving Kylo from Snoke, Who runs away with Rey And disappears in search of his secret weapon, where he plans to return with all his might.
>Kylo is captured by the good guys, Who are great and want to kill him. But they don't.
>When everything seems lost R2 or BB8 Revealed that they copied the map and they have decrypted it.
>Kylo, For the sake of revenge, at first, Helps others to stop Snoke, assisted by Luke's ghost, While Snoke tries to turn Rey to the dark to make her clines at the star forge a perfect vessel.
>There is a last battle between resistance randoms and the first order fleet, lead by Hux Vs Poe, Finn, Lando and Rose. Kylo infiltrates the forge with Finn and Rose.
> Together they free Rey and Kylo and her face Snoke. They lose because they fight like a Sith.
>Kylo Finally realizes his mistake and he becomes someone better than Vader by going back to being a Jedi. Kylo and Rey Protect each other during the fight and Snoke is defeated. The starforge is destroyed with snoke's remains inside.
>nostalgia pandering ending, then credits.roll

Women are 50% but will pay 500% more of what men will pay. They are consumerist by nature and anyone with even a bachelors in marketing will tell you that if you can hook the female shopper you will strike it rich as not only will she buy your merchandise, but she’ll drag and nag the men around her into buying it too.

Think of all the boyfriends and husbands who paid to go see Twilight and 50 Shades in theaters. They hated the movie, but they were willing to buy tickets to it if it meant getting laid that night.

I could see it going for the niche market of normalfag relatives/friends trying to buy gifts for visibly nerdy girls? Wew targeting the big bucks here Disney. You’re sure as fuck not getting the soccer moms to adopt it.

>George lucas shit the bed at ewoks,

Yeah, that's what the Boomer NPCs say to defend the sequels

They AREN'T trying to make girls like it.

They ARE using it as a vehicle to psychologically abuse young boys.

They used it as a pulpit from which to preach without realising people could just stop going to their shitty church.

>market research agencies are not clutching their heads going “Middle aged men are the primary consumers of children’s clothing because the purchase was made with their credit card!”

You're presenting a counter example where it is completely obvious it is a female doing the purchasing with a man's credit line. The issue with entertainment is it is not completely obvious. Especially if a market analysis firm has to either say "uh, yes, there is a market you can target" or get fired.

No one defends the sequels. The sequels are shit. The prequels are shit. The OT was the result of a massive collaboration with some of the most talented people who would ever work in hollywood, a group george lucas was only ever lucky to be near.

Funny because I suspect the Reylo stuff (Twilight in Space) is the only thing they’ve added that actually caught more of the female demo, despite the feminist insisting this is done through “representation” and “strong female characters who don’t need no man.”

One of the few successful “normally male demo company tapping into the female demo” plans I’ve ever seen was Kyoani doing fujobait. But marketing to woman with sex and romance is problematic I guess.

>a group george lucas was only ever lucky to be near.

Yeah that's also the NPC talking point, like the one that claimed Kasdan was more responsible for the OT than Lucas

The people like you saying this shit are more preachy than anything in these movies.

>The prequels are shit
The prequels gave birth to all sorts of Kino though, and the worldbuilding, the ideas and the setting were great. The execution was shitty, but ep III has THE best opening in all the saga.

>they AREN'T [trying to make money]

>they ARE [trying to not make money]

>word salad

There is no conspiracy. They chased a non-existent market and that blew up in their faces.

I am legit baffled how a person in charge of billions worth of business can be so clueless. I mean you look at the current state of your franchise and conclude that it is "franchise fatigue" instead of the obvious truth that the people you paid to make your product are making garbage

and spielberg, and scott, and all the other people in that creative hurricane that was the new hollywood movement. Which ended just after empire strikes back released. Then ROTJ was clearly suffering for it.

I-Is this a leak?
Please be a leak

because hes surrounded by people who will never say anything that would imply they were at fault or that mistakes were ever made. everyone will always say everyone did everything right and its no one's fault.

I mean, it’s not like they would ever come out and say “Yeah we made shit movies”. The PR never stops no matter how obvious it is.

So many words yet so little said. I can sense the onions dripping from every orifice.

They didn't deconstruct, they just remade the old movies and they simply took a big shit on the old cast in an attempt to make people more attached to the new- and it didn't work unsurprisingly

I get that kathleen and rian aren't gonna say they fucked up, but "franchise fatigue" really? What stops Iger from watching tlj, solo etc. and realizing what a monumental fuck up it all is? Is he really so busy that he can't find the time to watch 2 movies?

The female lead in Rogue One was actually likeable though. She was flawed and cool, and wasn't a Mary Sue, just a decent character. You really can't argue with the stronk womyn thing when the narrative/storyline/arc works.

Obviously Rey and the other nu-Wars films are garbage for many reasons, but Rogue One is by far the best of them. And even that is really just "decent".

two hours spent watching a movie is two hours not spent on epstein's island.

TLJ was half of a good movie. I liked all the Luke/Rey/Kylo/Snoke shit.

Also I know you all hated Holdo, but I'm fucking mad they cast Laura Dern only to kill her off. Ackbar should have had the big hero's death if they were gonna kill him off anyway, and then she could've developed into a likable character in future movies. OH WELL

>The audience is just tired, we gave them too much of our awesome product
>The audience hates our garbage movies
Which one is better PR for Disney? Look, even the Gillette guy is claiming he’s happy he lost like 8 mil. Nobody from top to bottom is allowed to say they think it’s bad.

Billions*