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Adams should have been made king. He was the best of us and had the cutest waifu.

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Adams was the first angry shitposter, if he was alive today he'd be venting on Yea Forums no doubt. This is an excerpt from a letter written to Benjamin Rush in 1790, where he is bemoaning the fact that history will forget him.

>The History of our Revolution will be one continued Lye from one End to the other. The Essence of the whole will be that Dr Franklins electrical Rod, Smote the Earth and out Spring General Washington. That Franklin electrified him with his Rod—and thence forward these two conducted all the Policy Negotiations Legislation and War. These underscored Lines contain the whole Fable Plot and Catastrophy. if this Letter should be preserved, and read an hundred Years hence the Reader will say “the Envy of this J.A. could not bear to think of the Truth”! He ventured to Scribble to Rush, as envious as himself, Blasphemy that he dared not speak, when he lived.

haha yes he's just like us XD

XD fellow redditor what time does the Narhwal Bacon

The Europe scenes were so good, especially the audience with King George.

This is pretty accurate except he forgot to mention that Jefferson literally became Jesus and everybody just projected their own political opinions onto him.

Will the Catherine the Great miniseries be kino?

Depends on the horse sex scene

Upset we never got a full mini series about Jefferson and his life and beliefs with Dillane as the MC, could have been a great companion piece

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That nigga stole every scene he was in.

So did Franklin

It's like Lin-Manuel Miranda read enough of the Hamilton biography to realize that he was an immigrant and went OOH IMMIGRANT GOOD and made a musical about him

Nevermind his authoritarianism, his belief in strong centralized government, his preference for big banks over the little guy...IMMIGRANT GOOD

He just was not smug enough.

man this really blows John Adams out the water, I swear a british production team would've done a much better job of it. Americans mythologize the revolutionary war and founding too much to to make grounded characters.

When will best boy get a biopic?
Who would you cast?
Clint Eastwood?

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Non american here, what is Hamilton belief/shitck and why do people love or hate him? and conversely, why did him and jefferson bump heads?

Jefferson was a francophile, Hamilton was an anglophile.

Why does Hamilton get so much shit? The dude was one of the most brilliant Founder and he was willing to side with his ideological enemy, Jefferson over his former friend, Burr because he at least felt that Jefferson would serve the state instead of being a self-aggrandizing profit-seeker.

>"If there be a man in this world I ought to hate, it is Jefferson, but the public good must be paramount to every private consideration."
Hamilton on Jefferson

>"For heaven's sake, let not the federal party be responsible for the elevation of this man!"
Hamilton on Burr

By the time of his death, Hamilton was viewed as too extreme for the Federalist Party and wasn't much use politically. But being killed by Burr made everyone remember how his speeches and compromises aided ratifying the Constitution or how he made the new nation financially solvent or he (along with James Madison and John Jay) wrote the Federalist Papers to advocate a strong national government.

Seriously, without Alexander Hamilton, the 13 colonies and its later fledgling republic woud've faced a lot of difficulties.

He was an authoritarian capitalist among the founding fathers who demanded American industry rather than remain farmer economy. He had a play made about him because he didn't own slaves.

Plus Jefferson was a populist who believed in a weak, decentralized government, where Hamilton wanted the US government to operate more or less as with the power of a monarchy (just with an occasionally replaced executive.)

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Literally all of the dialogue and events were reconstructed from diary entries and letters.

Hamilton believed in oligarchy of educated wealthy men and financial/commercial interests. Jefferson was in favor of the yeoman farmer acting like a latter-day Roman Republic. Jefferson was pro-French in cultural outlook while Hamilton admired England's nascent Industrial Revolution and national Bank.

I agree with both men's views. The 13 Colonies were full of landowners that owned their own land instead of being serfs or tenant farmers. I agree that each citizen should have the freedom to serve the government and be beholden to known but themselves for their economic fortunes. However, Hamilton is correct that by having a national debt (allocating the debts of the state governments under federal auspices), it would give us a good credit rating amongst European banks and it would foster trust that the US government was on stable ground by issuing bond sales.

Unlike most Americans, I view Jefferson AND Hamilton to be equally important. We needed both men (despite being diametrically opposed) since their compromises benefited the nation in the long-run.

Are you having a stroke?

only my katties .

Next biggest thing is trump call for Gun Control , an blame vidya .. oh ... Gets lots of lefties on side
Get Mutt Values most Lefty boomers want , winrar .

what is your mental age?

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Why did he hate the french so much ?

>hfw colonies betrayed him

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you cant trust the french

George III wasn't a tyrant, but he was seriously out-of-touch with the situation in the 13 Colonies. The British government and royalty genuinely believed that it was only a few loud ruffians who were making noise and overreacted. If they had any political sense, they would've taken note of how the colonies reacted to all the duties being imposed on them and how distanced they felt from the motherland.

It's the same way Britain reacted to Ireland in the early 20th century. They severely underestimated how the Catholic Irish wanted to have a say in their own domestic affairs. If they had given them that, Ireland would'e remained part of the United Kingdom, but instead Parliament sided with the Ulster Unionists.

Should we go back to wigs?

Thanks user. I never understood why people have a need to bash Jefferson and/or Hamilton. Neither man was perfect and I have a lot of disagreements with their views, but in the end, they helped shape the 13 Colonies into a nation. You can prefer one over the other, but you shouldn't downplay or denigrate one man simply because you favor his opponent.

The thing is, like everything in life, especially political views, often both sides are right and wrong at the same time. Both Hamilton and Jefferson had correct ideas/theories about how to run the country and society and but neither had perfect ones, either one's ideas fully put into action wouldn't be as good as if you had both being counter balances.

This is shit that people are unable to do now.

he was portrayed sympathetically in the show unlike louis xvi who came off as a cunt.

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That scene with Adams and him is so good, you can feel the tension in every facet of the room

>tfw too brainlet and autistic to understand that scene

The point was that he was suffusing with hatred, but keeping it at bay and using diplomatic language, right?

Adams deserved to be mocked for not speaking French.

Exactly. At least Jefferson and Hamilton learned to work together despite their differences. How many politician's today would back their ideological opponent for public office because they feel that their opponent is at least going to serve the public good?

Honestly, men and women were more civil back then. They might have argued and may have even dueled for personal honor, but at least they actually listened to each other instead of trying to outshout.

We need a Republican and Democrat like Jefferson and Hamilton today so that this country can correct itself.

The monuments commemorating the victims of massacres perpetrated by his forces in Ireland from 1798-1803, one a metre 100 metres from my door, are testament to his tyranny.

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yes, George was absolutely furious and rightfully so as a monarch, the american revolution is the kind of shit that destroys Empires, it makes the country look extremely weak and instantly inspires your subjects to consider doing the same, and to top it off, it makes George look like the most inept leader in the world at the time.

Imagine going through that and then meeting then meeting the ambassador to the former colony that revolted, who is also one of the leaders of said revolution. You have to be diplomatic with a diplomat but at the same time, niggas be dammed that youre going to be all calm and friendly with him.

I wonder if things would've been different had George III and Parliament reached out to moderates in the Continental Congress like John Adams. The fact that despite being an opponent to British duties and levies, Adams defended the soldiers and officer of the Boston Massacre gave him a distinct impartiality. I'm sure an ardent attorney like Adams would've been far better received than his flamboyant cousin Samuel.

Hell, British politicians like Pitt the Elder sought out the advice of Benjamin Franklin because they viewed him as a respected scientist and scholar who gave a favorable impression of the American colonist. The Howe brothers (admiral and general respectively) had strong feelings for the colonies since Massachusetts donated a monument to their elder brother who died in the French & Indian Wars while earning the ever-lasting respect of his American troops.

The US War of Independence might have been avoided if the British had some cool-headed politicians to smooth things out. Even Franklin had a solution years before with the Albany Congress had that been approved.

I know about the United Irishmen Rebellion. A real pity that it failed because it was a rare opportunity where Protestant and Catholic joined forces to free Ireland of British control.

Keep in mind that after losing the 13 Colonies and with the French Revolution, no way in hell was Britain going to let Ireland go. Bad enough they lost one of the jewels in their crown in North America, but losing Ireland would be tantamount to national security because the British feared French infiltration of Ireland as a military base.

I don't know if that was so much of George III because he was still recovering from his porphyria after 1788 and Pitt was the one who was really in charge of Ireland at the time. George III wasn't the same after his bouts of illness and rarely had a say in government while his corpulent hedonistic son was useless.

According to Adams' own accounts and other witnesses, despite their terse beginnings, Adams and his wife were fond of George III.

>Adams over Lincoln
Nigga you just been filtered
While Linc was a welk a Spielberg heartstrings pulling movie, it was classy and consistent
Adams was a mess

He's not PC enough.

Adams never struck me as a moderate personally, I think a big factor in him defending the Boston Massacre was just how much of a believer he was in the law, and how every man should have the right to an attorney. He was always a patriot, just one who could put justice and the law before his own biases

The problem always was about the money- the colonial elites did not want to pay their taxes that they owed to the Crown and started making noise about representation (even though Colonies had the right of self-government for a long time, all they had to do is respect the laws and pay their dues).
The support for independence wasn't as high as everyone thought either, but the fact that combination of sheer luck, some blunders and the difficulty in fighting across the Atlantic made the British lose is now touted as a historical inevitability is annoying.
US would probably develop into several smaller colonies/Dominions like Canada, and with time would get its liberties and independence too, but the argument against British abuse of power never held water because the colonists themselves were British subjects and thus liablie to the same privileges and taxes as everyone else back in Europe.

The fact that he truly believed in the law and that the soldiers deserved a fair trial makes him "moderate" compared to other protesters of British rule.

I agree taxation was the huge sticking point, but it could've been resolved with some reforms like allowing American colonists to directly trade with other nations. The colonies would still purchase from Britain, it's just that they would have the freedom to sell their wares and buy stuff from France, India, etc. directly without having to hire a British merchantman.

HBO announced it long ago but they can't seem to find time to start shooting. Sean Penn was supposed to play Jackson but there was some disagreement between like everyone involved about Jackson's portrayal. As if crazy cool old soldier who also committed atrocities is too complicated for audience.

>WHAT I REALLY WISH I COULD DO IS SHOOT YOU ALL IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD, FUCK FUCK FUCK

It was already on my list. I know there will be 2 more seasons to cover the entire reign of Henry VIII. We may not get a comprehensive miniseries about Wars of the Roses or the English Civil war but at least we know it won't be cancelled before it's finished (like The Crown definitely will, sadly). And I like a good court intrigue.

It was shot in a way to hint at his future madness.
I'm glad we visited three different courts (if we count Adams' meeting with the Dutch statesmen). Each scene was filmed differently, with different lights and filters to make them look like paintings from those countries (so scenes with the Dutch kind of look like a Rembrandt painting).

An that RUDE Point ? I deserve Respect at 78yo .SERVED AN CAN SAY WTF !

That's not Louis though

Oh, wait it finishes with Cromwell's death but it would be cool if the last episode covered all the drama afterwards.