On Lolita (1962)

It feels like Walt Disney's Lolita, instead of Stanley Kubrick's Lolita. Completely sanitized. Fairy tale ending. Mediocre adaptation. Bland characters. Not a single memorable line. Imperceptible use of music. It absolutely ruined the life of the main actress (I'm not kidding when I tell you her life is as tragic as Lolita's). I don't think Kubrick truly understood the book and this is coming from a huge Kubrick fanatic. Perhaps the only time Kubrick didn't improve on the source material. Even Kubrick's wife thinks it's a failure. This one is in my opinion, Kubrick's wost film from his professional era. Thoughts?

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Every Kubrick film is a chess game between himself and the novelist, and in this case Nabokov bested him.

>Not a single memorable line
Listen, Captain. You're drunk, and I'm a sick man

>Listen, Captain. You're drunk, and I'm a sick man

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Plebs. Lolita is his best film

t. contrarianfag

>It absolutely ruined the life of the main actress (I'm not kidding when I tell you her life is as tragic as Lolita's).
Please elaborate? What happened to Sue Lyon? She was an absolute perfect goddess

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It isn't even Kubrick's best Lolita adaptation

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They couldn't make it the way Kubrick wanted because the MPAA were extremely strict on censoring it and forced them to change most the movie. Kubrick said he would have never made it if he realized how difficult the production issues would be.

It failed right from the start by making James Mason Humbert and Peter Sellers Quilty. Should have been the other way around

never watched, cause the lolita actress is a total misscast

>Fairy tale ending
Quilty and Humbert are dead, and Lolita is a pregnant teenager in a loveless marriage. What's fairy tale about that?
>Mediocre adaptation
This means nothing
>Bland characters
The characters are all very well-defined and unique.
>Not a single memorable line
I'm guessing you've only seen it once.
>Imperceptible use of music
Best use a music in any Kubrick film. It's extremely recognizable and very fitting for the story

Watch it a few more times, and you'll see how it's easily the best Kubrick film

Well, she was heavily sexualized from a very young age so that fucked her up and later in life she went on to marry scumbag after scumbag: a drug dealer, a nigger, a prison inmate (murderer I think, whom she visited in jail), and others. All failed marriages. She hasn't been in movies in 40 years. When the newer version of Lolita came out in 97' she said something like"Why would they remake the movie that ruined my life?"

this

I can say without being hyperbolic or presumptuous that not a single person genuinely thinks this

David Lynch said it was his favorite Kubrick film.

>listening to soi podcast about kubrick
>they mention lolita in hush tones
>"yeah it's quite controversial and kind of disgusting"

this is why we can't have nice things

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t. has never read the book
Lolita is a great movie if you've never touched the source material

is lolita an essential read for a cunnyseur?

>waaah i'm so pretty pls feel sorry for me
roastie bitch

What? The movie wasn't even close to what the book portrayed. Do those faggots even read?

best post in Yea Forums in recent years?

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>Quilty and Humbert are dead, and Lolita is a pregnant teenager in a loveless marriage. What's fairy tale about that?
Quilty and Humbert are the villains and they are defeated. Lolita is given money by Humbert and goes to Alaska (?) to live with his loving husband a new life. It ends in an optimistic tone.
>This means nothing
It fails as an adaptation. Kubrick knew it. As did his wife.
>The characters are all very well-defined and unique.
Lolita is kinda like in the novel, personality-wise but still it only feels like a sketch. Humbert is a totally bland character. There's no real conflicts. The characters aren't well developed.
>I'm guessing you've only seen it once.
Twice, actually. Having read the novel I was expecting the God-tier narration like the novel has. I think Kubrick learned from this mistake and when he did Orange he knew he needed to have the narration or else it wouldn't work.
>Best use a music in any Kubrick film. It's extremely recognizable and very fitting for the story
Meh.
>Watch it a few more times, and you'll see how it's easily the best Kubrick film
I don't think so. It feels like an exercise he did before doing the big movies that followed. The novel remains beyond superior.

correlation does not equal causation you turbo brainlet lmao. appearing mildly sexy in a film when you're pubescent is not ptsd inducing

>comparing a film to the book it's based off of
I don't give a shit how close it is to the book. You should look at adaptations as separate from their source. Do you hate The Shining for being too different than the book?

But Kubrick hated the movie himself because he wasn't allowed to adapt the book faithfully because the MPAA deemed it too controversial.

You don't know what she lived out of the set.

No, and for that matter I don't hate A Clockwork Orange either. But this just strayed too far from the source material and the movie only suffered for it. This movie did not feel Kubrickian at all, had I not known the director I never would have guessed. It feels like any 1960s movie based on a play

why do /pol/turds always spin this pro pedo hollywood jew thing when this has been happening forever and is at it's most hysterical now?

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I don't think it's about fidelity. It's about quality. And the adaptation didn't bring anything new to the table that can be considered an improvement. It's a Disneyfied and watered-down version of Lolita. I would recommend you, in good faith, to read the book. I don't give a shit about The Shining book. Lolita is a masterpiece in literature. Adapting those generally leads to mediocre films, most of the time. That's why Kubrick himself said in an interview (for Paths of Glory, I think, years before Lolita) that he didn't adapt literary masterpieces. In this case he broke his rule and the adaptatiom suffered as a result.

Sorry to take over your shitty thread, OP, but this is Kubrick's best film.

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I WANNA SUCK LOLI PORTMAN'S BUDS!!!

imagine not being a pedo

Even the poster is full of symbolism. This a fuck you to the Rosacrutians and Illuminati, represented by the red rose.

It's a good film. No pedo.

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it turns out that making a movie out of a novel famous for its use of language where all of the great language was narrated was a bad idea

B - perfectly tite

imagine the kinos we could have if the roasties didn't control society

But changes they didn't even have to make worsened the movie, like how Humbert considers shooting her instead of drowning her. What contrived narration

he learned from his mistakes and clockwork orange was a better adaptation in that aspect

all those solo softcore porn kinos lost forever, like tears in the rain

the only gripe I have with clockwork orange is these girls are supposed to be 10

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doesnt it take place in bongistan?

pedos pls leave.

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there's no need to fight it user

the story structures didnĀ“t make any sense, it starts with the mc killing peter sellers, for what purpose did kubrick made that, the introduction scene of the movie? lmao what a moron

Fuck this scene gave me bad secondhand embarrassment.

This post is so true especially since Nabokov was a master chess player who used to write chess problems while chess was also Kubrick's favorite hobby

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to establish that the pedophile that you would follow afterwards is a bad guy

if you identified with him and then he raped a 12 year old it would be a bit uncomfortable

what podcast?

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Why didn't he win an Oscar for Leon?

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>if you identified with him and then he raped a 12 year old it would be a bit uncomfortable
but that's the point of the story. to challenge the audience.

The first and last words of the book are "Lolita"
The first and last words of the film are "Quilty"

literature has always been more challenging than film

eyes wide shut?

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:3

because you know who didnt vote for himEVERYONE!

What anime is this?

he wanted the movie to be superior to the book and failed miserably

>miscast
Dude, seriously...

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Seriously, dude...

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bit too old tbqh

not him she looks like an old woman

thats not logos

Lolita was supposed to look like this.

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oddly enough, she does reminds me of the descriptions of Lolita in the book.

I agree for the most part (except for the ''fairy tale'' thing, that's a bit much, Hollywood-ized is a better term), although it's still more memorable than the 1997 version even though was more faithful.

Sellers was gold as Quilty though, even though moving around the end to the beginning was a mistake. It's pretty sad when the best part of the film is an expansion of a character who doesn't become prominent until the last few pages of the book, but it works for film purposes.

Personally, I think Hollywood should have waited to film Lolita in the mid-late 70s. Jodie Foster and Brooke Shields would both have been the right age (and closer to how Doloire sis described in the book) and Dustin Hoffman or Malcolm McDowell would have been better choices for Humbert.

I didn't know lolita was supposed to be a boy

It's emphasized throughout the book between the lines that she really isn't that good looking, she has buck teeth, messy hair, freckles and acne. She just reminds Humbert of his childhood crush which is why he fixates on her.

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LALALALALA LOLITA

>She just reminds Humbert of his childhood crush which is why he fixates on her.
This. This is exactly the point. She's not supposed to be some Hollywood angel but rather like the cute girl he liked when he was a boy.

I am more of a Polly guy, but I have a soft spot for these two and the agency they worked for.

Is the book worth reading even though I already watched the movie ?

It completely misses the point to have a Lolita that is attractive to any regular male, she's supposed to look like a child even if on the cusp of becoming a woman, otherwise it's just some tragic age gap relationship.

Yes.

Filming date was March 1961. Sue Lyon was 14 years 7 months old.

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It's an adaptation. If you love the book so much, read the book. A film adaptation is going to be different. Again, would you say that The Shining completely misses the point of the book? No, because it's doing something different

whoever reuploaded this is a saint. never got a chance to save it at 720p before

it is literally the greatest english language novel

The Shining improves a mediocre book, Lolita butchers a masterpiece.

But it fails. The Shining doesn't fail. It's evocative and full of mystery and it's a Kubrickian movie. Lolita, on the other hand, feels like a generic or run-of-the-mill 1960s movie directed by Jon Doe. It's not a very good picture. Even the cinematography is decent at best. It does the job and nothing more.

Yes. It's simultaneously both much more twisted/depressing AND funnier than the movie (Humbert has Doug Funny-tier daydreams/delusions). There are a lot of foreign language quotes, but since the most commonly available editions are the annotated versions it's usually not a problem. Don't expect it to be a ''tragic romance'' though (it's anything, anything but) or for Quilty to become prominent until near the very end.

It's not nearly as impenetrable as Nabokov's Pale Fire though (and even that isn't so bad upon a second read). Anyone who got through high school English class could follow it. A good key to understanding it is to note how many times Humbert repeats or emphasizes things; it's a good indicator that he's lying.

And this is the biracial child Sue Lyon had with a nigger football player Roland Harrison (m. 1971; div. 1972).

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The brunette gal is literally Dolores Haze

Man you really hate books don't you. The Shining is a horror novel filler shlock from a guy that writes 100 pages a day. Lolita is considered one of the best books of all time.

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the absolute state of the world kek I thought he was a drug dealer/photographer, though

As much as I and everyone else has piled on Lolita the movie for not being as good as the novel I do think it deserves some credit for capturing the very dark humor in the novel, and also for this song.

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also she married the guy who wrote the blade runner movies when she was 16

Not a bad post, he could have done much more with the film.

Awesome thanks
Thank you but I prefer physical books. I have 2 libraries nearby. But very helpful.

I like this version more
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Everytime I watch this, I end up with a smile on my face without even noticing it.

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>gets triggered when people compare movie adaptations to books
>still refuses to read said books

*catches you reading lolita*

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>*Defends CP maker on national television*

link?

stop telling lies

I'm glad she's above those roastie counsellors trying to give her ptsd

*maintains eye contact and winks in response*

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*reads Lolita on your lap*
ABSOLUTE MADMAN

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Kubrickfag here. I think for its time, it was as classy as it could have been without getting Kubrick blacklisted. That being said, the Jeremy Irons one is superior.

bet she married a white guy and her daughter is hot

source for the daughter?

I never saw the movie, but i'm in a mild Loli situation. I'm visiting some relatives and they help take of this 13 year old girl because parents work in another part of the country and the living situation is better with my family. She helps around the house, does chores, that stuff but for some reason she's taken a liking to me. She follows me around, whenever I relax in the room i'm staying in she comes in and stays with me. It gets kind of annoying, especially when I want to jack off so I have to force her out the room. But its cool, anytime I want something from the store I just give her money and she gets it with no complaints. If I want a drink from the fridge she just gets it. I don't she likes me like that, I think she just want to help out the weird 20 year old staying there. I also don't like her like that either

Any others have this feel?

have sex

put bonner in

I always liked older girls, so I can't relate. Depending on the country this might or might not be illegal (a relation with a 13 yo).

it's not illegal if nobody knows

What? No you sick fuck. The fuck is wrong with you

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give her a hug and see how she reacts

if you aren't on tummy rub terms by next week I will be very disappointing

She is calling out for a paternal figure. Take her on a trip or out hunting/fishing. Help her out if she needs anything.

all little girls need a real daddy and a second daddy

Just be her friend, come on, it's fun to talk with a cute young girl.

would unironcally prefer a non sexual lgf than an 18+ gf who did anything sexual I desired

The movies can't show Lolita to be the actual child she is in the book as that would be too shocking. Which is why it feels so half-assed that they make movies with a teenage girl Lolita.

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all memes aside just treat her well, compliment her (make her confident in who she is, reinforce the fact that shes smart), be a good role model and take her out for ice cream sometime. watch a movie and let her have some good memories of someone who gives a shit about her.

You lost your bet. Nona Harrison married Robert Gomez.
Start googling things and you might know more than me.

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what about cuddles? D:

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i cant answer that for you

i get it: not all 13 year olds are hot
you could always get shitfaced until it doesn't matter

Just hugging a cute lg is better than anything in this world, normies will never know this feel.

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Wholesome?

this shot is so weird
what is the guy looking at?
why does the camera zoom that way?

>knee on crotch
>handful of ASS
holy shit, how is this even legal?

there's nothing wrong about it.

what's wrong?

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based tom. suri's probably too big for him now

>note how many times Humbert repeats or emphasizes things; it's a good indicator that he's lying
The movie not only strips the unreliable narrator aspect but even takes out parts where Humbert is being cruel and manipulative, like where he threatens to send Lolita to reform school. Kubrick Humbert did nothing wrong.

It's just a normal sibling relationship.

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she's embarrassed but can't help reaching out for it

>OwO user cunnyseur why is your willy so big?!?!?! haha!

100% guaranteed she already played with it in private

This is why Lolita threads always get deleted

Not a pedo but that little girl has some pretty nice thighs

liking pubescent girls and up is normal not pedo. don't be ashamed. pedos like literal 5 year olds and shit

Disgusting cumbrain thread

if kubrick had made lolita in 74 it would probably be amazing but he made it in 62 when he was just starting out his career and not given a lot of free rein from studios

>gets easily disgusted
>comes to Yea Forums

not the brightest

*fugging

It's one of my favorite books and I've browsed Yea Forums for over a decade. Am I a pedo?

>cumbrain
Is that code for normal person?

you just have good taste

Eyes Wide Shut was Kubrick's attempt at revising and revisiting Lolita with absolute freedom. Ziegler (who does not appear in the source material) is just Quilty II.

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Very astute observation.

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nah, it's a really good book.

"the universe was created for the existence of little girls" - Carl Sagan

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Is this the new epic /pol/ meme or something? Have sex (with cute little girls).

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The Emilia Clarke of yesteryear

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