It's time for the Jedi to end

Of course not.
He'd have to study the Force for decades to come to the reasonable conclusion that the Jedi are self-destructive. That's not a conclusion you can come to easily.

Regardless of whether Luke has figured that out, as the audience I should be thinking "Luke, the Jedi are shit, don't follow Obi-Wan" based on what TLJ gives us.

The Sith would rise regardless of the Jedi. Why is it that the Sith are most powerful when the Jedi are at their weakest? Because it's the Jedi who fight the Dark Side
>inb4 grey area!
Star Wars is Manichean. There is no grey area, just good and evil

How? They even demonstrated in the movie people all over were at least aware of their force abilities, you just need one to get strong enough and turn evil and boom, you have the situation I described with no contingency plan. Ben if they’re not exactly sith and strong evil force user could shape the galaxy for the worse. It’s like if I took all the locks off the entrances of my home just so no one could technically “break” in. Doesn’t really help the situation

You're missing the point.
The Jedi were good and necessary once, and then they stopped being that.
Luke's problem isn't with the Jedi directly. It's with mindlessly following tradition. Just because something was good and useful and necessary once doesn't mean it always is and will be.

The Empire rose specifically because the Jedi grew too powerful and too complacent, and Palpatine fell for the same reason.

>So if you get rid of one, you get rid of both.
uh-huhhh...

I actually 100% agree with you, and that's what the prequels were about. How the Jedi has lost their way. But in TLJ we have dark side users already terrorizing the galaxy and no Jedi left, so it doesn't really make sense to want the Jedi to be gone forever. The bad guys are still here!

>Oh that's very smart, if the Jedi ends, the Sith will disappear automatically. Who wrote this, a brain dead child?

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Because the Jedi superstructure had fallen so goddamn far from their original intentions. The system was so far gone that it's head couldn't fucking perceive not one but two sith in it's midst. It dictated no marriage when the Hyperspace Wars era had multiple husband and wife teams, and because a few went south they ended up creating a literal army of psychic incels.

The only path forward is the destruction of the Sith and Jedi protocols, allowing a more freeform and less rigid set of interactions with The Force. Otherwise the cycles will continue; master with good intentions starts a school, buttangery emo fuckwit goes sideways, new master steps up to fix the destruction.

This.

But he didn't even read the sacred Jedi texts, so how did he come to that conclusion? He seemed to base it all off of learning the origin of Vader.

Force ability and awareness doesn't automatically equal Jedi/Sith. It takes Millenia of study and decades of dicipline and education to get to the level the Jedi/Sith were at by the time of the Republic/Empire.

And even then, if some random guy DOES decide to train in the Force by himself and becomes evil, that doesn't necessarily mean you *need* a Jedi to stop him.
Jedi are the solution to their own problem.
In the movies, every Sith was either once a Jedi, or was trained by someone who was once a Jedi.
Get rid of the Jedi, and you get rid of 90% of all evil force users. And the remaining 10% won't ever reach the level of power that a dedicated Jedi would, and would thus not be a problem.

Further, getting rid of the Jedi but KEEPING the Force means that the old Axiom that you *need* to be a Jedi/Sith to wield the Force becomes an obsolete concept. Eventually, everyone learns to commune with the Force, it becomes mundane, and the light/dark axiom ceases to be.

>The Empire rose specifically because the Jedi grew too powerful and too complacent, and Palpatine fell for the same reason.
I don't understand why this interpretation is popular. It's dumb. Palpatine took over because their guard was lower and they didn't see him coming, they weren't prepared and he took over the senate easily. That's their fault, not because they were too powerful. You don't evil to balance good, you can have good alone, that's never a problem. But the people making the sequels are actually evil and I'm not surpised that they say the jedi need to end, Disney is the Sith

Fuck off defending this shit.

>not because they were too powerful.
Well. not EXACTLY. You're missing a step.
By the time the republic fell, the Jedi council hadn't dealt with a fully fledged Sith in more than a millennia. They became complacent.

Like I said they lowered their guard. It has nothing to do with needing more Sith. This makes no sense, it's like saying we shouldn't attain peace, we need to be permanently at war otherwise if we have peace it will turn to total war overnight. Their is no logic behind this concept. George made movies that are metaphors of real politics. Disney made stupid edgy movies that make no sense

is somebody trying to drum up hype for this shit yet again?

That's exactly what Luke was trying to talk about.
So long as the light/dark axiom exists, one side will have superiority and the other side will *want* superiority. There will always be conflict so long as they both exist.
So if you get rid of one, you will, eventually, get rid of the other.

>evil force user is ruining everything
>hopefully a good one will stop him
>if this power is so destructive why don’t we form some sort of unified order to combat evil force users more effectively?
It’ll just repeat itself, I’m generally not a contrarian but the writing and presentation of these pseudo-philosophical paradigm shifts in the Star Wars continuum is amazingly retarded and inexcusable, there’s no right way to spin a polished turd

This is stupid, evil will always exist, that's why the jedi are needed, not the other way around. It's compeletly retarded just like Kylo Ren trying to resist the lightside. Can you get any dumber?? Jedi and Sith are metaphors for good and evil and it's always easy to do evil, it's good that is difficuklt and it's evil that is attracting you. This simple concept went over the heads of the morons writing these movies but they are so much evil themselves I guess they can't make movies where they are the bad guys

This

Because Luke failed. Granted, it was only for a brief moment, but after Kylo was turned to the dark side he saw felt he was only perpetuating a an endless cycle of failure.

Makes no sense, a personal mistake doesn't make the Jedi pointless all of a sudden. There's no logic here, anyone who listened to Rian Johnsons interviews or browsed his twitter knows that the man is not intelligent at all.

>if you kill your enemies, they win

>1000 years of peace and No Wars.

You retard.

he's a white male, it's like poetry, they rhyme

>Makes no sense, a personal mistake doesn't make the Jedi pointless all of a sudden. There's no logic here
Characters don't always behave in the most logical manner you autist. Luke's behavior makes sense if you view him as an actual person. Imagine winning against a seemingly insurmountable foe. You beat the empire and won. You establish a new jedi order because of course the jedi need to be continued.
But you fuck up. You fuck up so bad that you find the world in the same situation you fought against as a young man.
Furthermore, by looking at history you are able to see a pattern in which light rises to fight dark and vice versa.
>b-but it's a metaphor for good and evil
sure, but from the perspective of a character who has to live in the star wars universe this knowledge would make you blackpilled as fuck. Also the movie makes it clear that luke is wrong.

Because Disney wanted to shit on the Legends canon one last time

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Nothing makes sense in his character develeopment, KK wanted Luke to be the failed hero trope so they can switch to Rey as the lead. Rian is a low IQ tard, he didn't even provide legit reason for his failure and made Luke make ridiculous conclusions about the Jeid, Yoda makes even less sense in the film. It's just a level of stupid rarely seen in a big budget film.

the jedi are flawed in the prequels because they have to be gone by the originals, the jedi are flawed in the sequels because they want to make luke a failure