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cant wait for all the /pol/cels and trumpkins to go so low as to defend literal nazis
seriously we're at a point in this fucking country where literal nazis are in office and people just don't give a shit. like holy shit that's indifensible yet people here come up with the shittiest excuses like muh freeze peach
too bad though, disney and netflix will still pump out movies for all to see, filled with brown and queer empowered women and spicy exotic men and there's nothing you pasty stale angry dudes can do about it. the basterds, which represent america, FOUGHT the nazis, and would've kicked y'alls asses if they were around today. dickfaces.

>this thread again

That's exactly what he was alluding to. Wow, you're so smart! Gold star for you.

shit bait

Checked 88

Shit thread.

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I'm still mad at this asshole who deleted my comment on his retarded review

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LOOK AT THOSE FLY MOTHERFUCKERS

dat 1488 get

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Man I miss the days when LB was full of all the people from Yea Forums that wanted to discuss film and not celebrity feet. Now it's stuff like this:

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Why doesn't he just do it himself?

Are they all national socialists or are some of them racist capitalists and stuff like that?

Too much onions milk as made his bones brittle as chalk.

youre right
save letterboxd
follow smoothhands

If you have to ask, you might be one.

>the anti-fascists are the real fascists
Fox News is honestly epic

What does Antifa even accomplish besides beating up gay chinamen, cause property damage and generally embarrass themselves? Trump is still in office.

Are people actually this crazy? Do they really want to see people murdered in the streets for wearing a MAGA hat? Let's be honest, that's what a nazi is to them. I can't fucking tell what's a meme anymore

1488 get
fuck "white" people

>Nazis openly march
>Antifa protests them
Even Richard Spencer admitted that getting punched in the face made him scared of going to rallies and stuff

you mean anyone who doesn't subscribe to leftist dogma

Define Nazi and then see if your definition applies to real Nazis and the fake "alt right" boogeymen.

That's some 1984 talk there.

>conservatives march
>antifa punches them in the face and destroys property
Truly the good guys.

Generally the popular accounts are the worst.

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A member of the dead NSDAP political party in Germany
They don't exist anymore but that doesn't stop champaign leftists from shitting themselves over their boogeyman

You wouldnt be in that mess if niggers, kikes and other shitskins ruined so much. Its a logical progression.

The 60 million Nazis who voted for Drumpf.

>right-wing retard goes on a shooting spree and murders 3 people because muh might makes right
>right-wing lunatics regularly assault and kill people in the name of their ideology
>"WHAT NAZIS? DERE ARE NO NAZIS HERE"

Right wing retards are only coming out as a response to left wing retard violence
You quite literally only have yourselves to blame

You and your like are enjoying the fruits of your degeneracy like the Weimar cocksuckers did. But your time is coming to an end just like theirs did.

What you read on Yea Forums is exactly how most normal people think deep down. We don’t want our streets filled with scum and trash. A strong rain is going to come soon and wash it all away, and we’ll rebuild our civilisation for decent white people.

God I'm going to jack off to America's collapse and civil war II with the hardest boner known to man.

wait what did he do? been away from the drama for some time?

Fact is that Tranny Globohomo US is FAR FAR beyond Weimar.

>right-wingers massacre innocent women and children in their houses of worship because muh meanie antifa
Eat shit you faggot

James Healey's review of THE 13TH was simply "MAYBE DON'T COMMIT SO MANY CRIMES?" but that was enough to get it removed by the nazi mods.

is this you user lel

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>What you read on Yea Forums is exactly how most normal people think deep down
Most people are obsessed with traps, feet and anime?

>innocent women and children
They weren't innocent, they were niggers. He should have been given a crime stoppers medal.

Reminds me of that Antifa Boomer shooting people at a baseball field because Russian secret agents hacked muh election

Yes as inconvenient as the truth may be
The right is simply more competent and willing to use deadly force
For every impotent antifa bikelock attack there will be a right winger deadly shooting, this is the nature of things now

I hope it kicks off soon , Trump has called antifa fags terrorists

>gets name legally changed to "Not Guilty"
>commit crime
>"Your honor, I'm clearly Not Guilty"
>get off scot-free because names can't be oxymorons

Or the firebombing of a gop office or someone or mailing ricin to the pentagon

great letterboxd discussion retards

>>right-wing lunatics regularly assault and kill people in the name of their ideology
when?
where?

thanks fren

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Post profile.

I cannot wait to stomp your brains into the pavement when the revolution comes, along with all your fascist cockroach brethren.
What antifa boomer? Name me a single person murdered by Antifa.
The right isn't more "competent." It doesn't take competence to be a deranged psychopath that enters buildings filled with unarmed women and children with an assault rifle and murdering them. One day every fascist pile of rodent excrement will be mercilessly obliterated from the earth.

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>Charleston church shooting
>Pittsburgh synagogue shooting
>Poway synagogue shooting
>New Zealand Mosque shooting
Just to name a few. Quit pretending you don't what I'm talking about.

>>right-wing retard goes on a shooting spree and murders 3 people because muh might makes right
>>right-wing lunatics regularly assault and kill people in the name of their ideology
got some examples? maybe that muslim killing 50 people in a gay nightclub? maybe the twelve people shot in baltimore last week?

Are you for real ?

man, your religion is weird

These are are your frontline troops for the left
You will not win a civil war if you start one
There will be no "revolution" lol you impotent baby

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How many people in the United States would be capable of doing similar things.
How many of those damn nazis do you think there is ou there ?

keep larping, cameron.
if shit ever hits the fan, everyone is fucked, but you onions sipping faggots will be the first to starve to death or be stomped.

pulse nightclub, bye bye

kek the progressive side of a civil war would be starving within like a week.
>85% of hispanic immigrants are on welfare
>70% of blacks are on welfare
>overwhelmingly all live in major cities
how the hell could they logistically support an army when like 70% of them are too stupid to even feed their own families without SNAP/EBT?

>destroy property
>burn shit
>riot
im almost getting LA Riot flashbacks here

The California shooting at the garlic festival was done by what looks like a right-wing retard who cited "Might Makes Right," a popular Nazi text, as inspiration.
I most certainly am.
Oh wow, I'm so terrified of a bunch of inbred, meth-addled mutants. You'll be crushed without mercy.

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>I cannot wait to stomp your brains into the pavement when the revolution comes, along with all your fascist cockroach brethren.
Have fun trying that nogunz libcuck antifag.

>19yo neo-Nazi murders communist (presumably) children with an AK47 at a GARLIC festival
truly the best timeline

>Name me a single person murdered by Antifa
A lot of attempts but so many failures. How can u suck so fucking badly? If chimps can kill another in chicago, i expect you fuckers to at least get 1 person after so many attempts

theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/14/virginia-shooting-suspect-james-t-hodgkinson-leftwing-activist

independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/tacoma-ice-police-shooting-washington-willem-van-spronsen-antifa-detention-centre-a9004131.html

dailysignal.com/2019/07/26/i-was-in-fear-of-my-life-journalist-describes-antifa-attack-groups-goals

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Donald_Trump

A pathetic kid shooting a couple people at a garlic fest versus every nightmare muslim massacre every 9 months. losers now shoot up places instead of eating a bullet- the muslim thing has been going on a while and is a wee bit more than sexless harry buying a gun

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>people actually taking the bait

Stop.

This line of delusional thinking leads to violence. You sound exactly like a guy that blames all muslims when a muslim kills people.

>These mental gymnastics

You people know what's meant by the comparison. You champion and pine for the ideals of that dead party. You aren't a political party. However, you're sick in the head racists who would gladly see a similar type of violent regime in power.

More of us have guns than you think.
Every fascist will pay one day. All of you will be wholesale removed from the earth.
>throwing milk shakes at journalists is tantamount to murdering defenseless people in a religious building with assault rifles
Interesting how all of those left-wingers who actually did attack were attacking oppressive armed police and corrupt politicians, unlike the right-wingers who are too scared to fight people that can shoot back and elect to murder defenseless women and children instead. Don't even try to tell me that Antifa is equivalent to what the right-wing does on a monthly basis.
>muh Muslim shootings
What does this have to do with anything? The people doing that are religious fundamentalists, which is a more right-wing ideology anyway.

>You champion and pine for the ideals of that dead party.
Can you point out where in this thread I did that?
You seem deranged

What about the Muslim terrorist who shot 39+ homosexuals in a bar in Florida? What about the lunatic who shot at the mostly white country music concert in Las Vegas?

How? Far right lunatics kill innocent people with assault rifles and the retards in this thread are trying to make Antifa throwing milkshakes at people morally equivalent.

>the lunatic who shot at the mostly white country music concert in Las Vegas
still no motive established. wtf fbi

You mean the acid-laced "milkshakes" which gave severe chemical burns to a gay Asian journalist?

>M-more of us have guns than y-you think...
Your wife's bull's "glock" (hipoint) doesn't count.

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Reminder that Affluent Liberal Drone operator kills more sand niggers in a week than all the right wing shooters lmao

>What about the Muslim terrorist who shot 39+ homosexuals in a bar in Florida?
Anti-LGBT hatred aligns more with right-wing thought than anything else.
>What about the lunatic who shot at the mostly white country music concert in Las Vegas?
So you're saying that a wealthy millionaire Las Vegas real estate developer and gambler was actually a secret left-wing terrorist? Are you legitimately this fucking stupid?

>Brings up 30+ guns into his private penthouse
>Apparently no manefesto or anything connecting him to any group despite being a multi-millionare from a rich family
>Entire event sweeped under the rug despite being America's deadliest mass shooting

Ah yes the classic "all violence is right-wing if you stretch it far enough" approach. Are you gonna talk about how the right-wing antifa acid attacked journalists?

>Anti-LGBT hatred aligns more with right-wing thought than anything else.

the Muslim coalition in the Coalition of the Fringes will eat you alive, lol.

letterboxd.com/machill54/

Really enjoyed the cook the thief the wife and her lover on a rewatch - put it into my top 100 films list

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You forgot the sperg who drove his car into a bunch of leftist protesters and killed that one landwhale SJW.

>acid-laced
Proof? And still, how does that come even close to entering a house of worship and mass murdering defenseless women and children with an assault rifle not one, but MULTIPLE times?
Epic joke! That libtard was trolled!
What makes you think drone operators are liberals?

>What does Antifa even accomplish
The same thing the original antifa accomplished. They can be used as a convenient excuse to militarize the right and crack down on leftists.

I'm assuming that you are in lock step with the very same rhetoric that's spouted here all the time. Don't play stupid. Even if you don't share the same ideals, there's no denying that this is a site with a fair amount of exhorting racists. Every other thread devolves into race-baiting and "muh Hitler did nothing wrong" tier assholes.

>t. useful idiot
you will be lined up against a wall and shot like the rest of your "comrades"

There's nothing wrong with racism though.

meant for

>Even Richard Spencer admitted that getting punched in the face made him scared of going to rallies and stuff

an FBI asset said that? man it must be true then

>muh milkshake attack
Like I've said countless fucking times already, how does that even come close to being equivalent with multiple pre-planned mass murders by assault rifle of innocent women and children attending religious ceremonies? How do these things even come close to being equivalent? How are people that openly identify as fascists and far right not really right-wing?

AntiFAT

>What Nazis?

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If you are white you are a nazi. WW2 was a bunch of nazi-on-nazi violence.

Every other site on the internet is fully left leaning
What are you even doing here if it's driving you so insane?
Is it a masochism thing?
You're never going to change the culture here

>Epic joke! That libtard was trolled!
seething

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Nope, you fascists will be shot and tossed like trash into a mass grave. You've been warned.

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Again with the classic "all deaths are not by psychos". I guess you also believe that every Muslim is responsible for the 9/11 attacks, or that all Irish you pay for the IRA? You must be very pathetic to see a psychotic mass murder and instantly think "how could I use this to attack another ideology!"

Alright, man. Whatever. Point is people who think like you argue semantics. You aren't literally Nazis but you seem to celebrate its ideals, then you get all pedantic with your "well actually" when called on it. Fuck the half measure bullshit.

>Mutt getting a tattoo in effectively a biker gang is the same as someone from the German army in the 1930's-40's
Neo-nazis don't actually give a shit about their own ideals user. They are just edgy racists that think pushing drugs is good.

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It's so great to know what side Letterboxd is on for a war that ended 60 years ago. I don't trust anyone until I am sure they're not going to invade Stalingrad.

>What are you even doing here if it's driving you so insane?
>Is it a masochism thing?
What did you think leftism was about? It's all self hatred.

Haha hey guys I watched some silent comedy kino last night, anyone want to talk about Harold Lloyd or Buster Keaton? You guys don't really care about this politics stuff, right?

The ones demanding not every shitskin Catholic poor over the border to devalue manual labor even more than it already is.

that looks like a juggalo

When are you seeing the new Tarantino? Do you expect to enjoy it? Myself, I didn't care for it. Take care.

where is the smooth

You must be very retarded to see a psychotic mass murderer who openly boasted about being a far-right fascist and a racist and openly cited those things as being the sole motivation for his attacks and think "HE WAS JUST A LONE RANDOM PSYCHO!"

letterboxd.com/legal/community-policy/
>We expect members of our community to refrain from posting aggressive remarks
>You must not use the website to incite violence
>We reserve the right to remove any content which we consider to be offensive
wow wtf since when do rules apply to me????????

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what does /pol/ want to be called? are they more accepting of 'alt-right' as the moniker of their movement if they're going to pretend their general tenets have a lot in common with nazi ideology?

haha demonrats are the REAL racists hehe

Sounds like Antifa, the closest thing to actual Nazis in the modern world. They use the same jackboot thug tactics to try to silence opposition.

>America
>white

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>Sees hundreds dead before his feet
>"Boy, how can I use this to justify taking the rights away from others I don't agree with!"
You must live a very pathetic life user.

the prob is lefties define nazis as anyone who disagrees with them. LB did the right thing

Manslaughter, retard.

Buster Keaton rules, my plan to watch all his features and shorts sadly faltered I’ll pick it up again one day probably

when it comes out here. I expect to enjoy it very much, seems like prime Tarantino setting

fun fact: That Nazi will live comfortably on a west German pension while that Bolshevik will starve because some retard in the soviet government doesn't know where you can grow corn.

>Antifa, the closest thing to actual Nazis in the modern world.
Ah yes, militant left-wing anarchists trying to stop Nazism from spreading are closer to actual Nazis than neo-Nazis who openly profess Nazi ideology and kill innocent people in the name of it are. Makes perfect sense.

>Nazi
>National socialist
>Not left-wing

What rights do I want to take away? The right to spread an openly murderous political ideology that preaches hate and violence against people for their ethnicity and skin color? If that's what you mean then yes I do. Stop trying to pretend that a right-wing lunatic who drew Nazi symbols and messages on the assault rifle he used to mass murder 51 innocent people and wrote a manifesto preaching his hatred for other races has nothing to do with far-right extremism.

his point is that they're not fascists but anarcho-communists. fox news is retarded enough to play into the left's narrative that the worstest baddest guys ever are fascists so all they know how to do is go "no u" at antifa instead of calling them out for what they really are.

are the means of production owned by the commons in nazi germany? will they be in your utopia?

Nazis were socialists too just like Antifa. Nazis and Antifa use the same tactics and have many of the same goals. Antifa only pretends to be about stopping Nazis. That was never their goal. They were the terrorist wing of the Communist Party. They were used to harass, intimidate and murder anyone who stood in the way of a Communist takeover. They are rightfully being labelled officially as a terrorist organization because that's exactly what they are.

>right-wing lunatics regularly assault and kill people in the name of their ideology
Yes, just look at all these white supremacist attacks:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_January_2019
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_February_2019
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_March_2019
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_April_2019
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_May_2019
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_June_2019
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_July_2019
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_2019
There are so many you barely even see any other group represented...

>Nazism
>An ideology that promote Soviet-style "communism in one state" but with added racism
>Hitler himself claimed that capitalism was invented by Jews and used hatred of capitalism to catapult himself to power
>"But it's right-wing guys, see they were violent!"

The Soviet population grew much faster and larger than the German population. The only reason a famine happened in the direct aftermath of the war is because the Nazis stole all the food they captured and destroyed all the infrastructure and agricultural equipment equipment on their retreat out of the USSR.
>muh Nazis were left-wing socialists
When will this meme finally fucking die?

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Are you seeing it in glorious 70mm, though? Not only was the film in 70mm, but also the JOKER trailer! Truly we live in a society.

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B-b-but user it is clear that the ebil racist don't count themselves as terror attacks!

>1488

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I think I saw that the cinema in my nearest city is getting a 35mm print, hopefully I can watch that if so

Always good to add to this
letterboxd.com/machill54/tag/35mm/films/

>warzones are violent
What is this supposed to represent? Obviously since the Muslim world has been ravaged by imperialist wars there is going to be more violence there. The mass shootings in the mostly peaceful 1st world however are usually committed by homicidal far-right psychopaths.
See

>NAZIS ARE NOT SOCIALIST BECAUSE MY DEFINITION OF A SOCIALIST DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR THEM!"

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Wow, did you fail history? A famine happened because Stalin ordered all of the crops to be burned to starve out the Nazis who were relying on seizing crops to stay supplied.

The ones running around physically assaulting NIGGERS AND TRANNIES AND JANNIES I HATE THEM
HEAR ME MODS
FUCK
TRANNIES
FUCK JANNIES
FUCK NIGGIES
FUCK SPIGGIES

hitler claimed he hated capital because it is popular to do so when he is speaking to a disaffected population ravaged by economic depression. what he said doesn't change that the nazis in no way prioritized even the Stalinist conception of public ownership of the means of production, ie government ownership of all productive capacities. the nazi's privatized many of the public institutions that existed prior to their reign. when hitler talked about hating capital, it was all lip service. he certainly would've kept private ownership had he won the war.

Based, kwab, and redpilled

I agree that lately there have been more deaths caused by right-wing extremists but let's not kid ourselves and somehow also blame white people for the 1000x more casualty causing ideology that is islam. This is where you progressives lose the plot for me, when you try and blame white people for africa and the middle east as well.

check wikipedia for what communism and socialism mean my dude. they will mention public ownership.

This is my review of "Cops":

The way the herd of black clad extras cascades across the frames looks so fluid, like ink spilling down and back up the screen. Every shot is so perfectly balanced; Buster Keaton trotted gracefully along his own Dao. And I guess this is the origin of the boxing glove on a spring gag? Amazing

I feel like I'm using LB as more of a writing exercise than a true film log. Most of them don't sound so embellished, it was pretty late and I'd smoked some herb before viewing

>N-N-No Hitler was obviously lieing
Cope harder, just because national socialism didn't follow Marx to the letter (just like every other communist/socialism state) doesn't make them less socialist.
Let me guess are you going to say "REAL SOCIALISM HASN'T BEEN TRIED YET" next?

There's nothing nazi about racism.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
>"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production and workers' self-management"
>Hitler opposes collective ownership of the means of production and openly declares his support for private ownership
>Hitler curries the favor of wealthy German industrialists and capitalists who all join the party and many of whom eventually end up using concentration camp slave labor in their privately factories
>Hitler purges the Nazi party of the left-leaning Strasserite faction and anyone else who opposes his capitalist reforms in the Night of the Long Knives
>Upon gaining power over Germany in 1933, Hitler immediately bans the Communist Party of Germany and all other left-wing socialist groups in the country and personally orders the arrest of communist leader Ernst Thalmann
>Hitler declares that the main enemy of the Third Reich is the communist Soviet Union and personally orders all captured Soviet political commissars to be summarily executed
>"HURR HITLER WAS A COMMUNIST SOCIALIST"
Right-wing history everyone.
No, the famine occurred in 1945 at the end of the war because of the devastation left by the Nazis from the invasion. During the war, the Nazi Hunger Plan called for the removal of all food captured by the army to be sent to Germany to both feed the population at home and starve an estimated 20 million Soviet citizens to death to make way for Germany colonization of the East, which was Hitler's main ideological goal. Do you even know anything about history?

>The Soviet population grew much faster and larger than the German population.
Obviously, that's the only reason they won the war. That and lend lease.
>The only reason a famine happened in the direct aftermath of the war is because the Nazis stole all the food they captured
Which was fairly little, considering the soviets had already burnt most of it.
>and destroyed all the infrastructure and agricultural equipment equipment
You can't destroy something that didn't exist to begin with. The only "infrastructure" the soviets had were giant party headquarters looming over the slums where the general population was forced to live.

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>Unironically going "IT DOESN'T COUNT"
Just because socialism and communism fails everywhere it has been tried doesn't mean you get to pick and choose what state counts as 'socialist'.

>National SOCIALIST
>Hitler was anti-capitalist
>Hitler was for the workers
>Not a socialist
This is how socialists change history to disown one of their own.

>The measures taken by the Soviet Union between 1940 and 1942 aimed not only at furthering the Soviet war effort, but also at harming the German enemy even at the cost of huge losses of life among Soviet civilians. The Soviet scorched-earth strategy included the deportation of millions of men, women and children; the resettlement and reestablishment of thousands of factories; the withdrawal of almost the entire railway rolling stock; the-annihilation of raw material depots; the removal of most of the agricultural machinery, cattle and grain stocks; the systematic destruction, burning and blowing up of the immovable infrastructure, inventories of all kinds, factory buildings, mines, residential areas, public buildings, public records, and even cultural monuments; and the intentional starvation of the civilian population which remained behind to face German occupation. It was basically a policy which unscrupulously used the civilian population as a strategic pawn.

Being ableist isn't helping, letterboxd.

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We aren't "blaming white people." Yes there are some crazy radical liberals that say stupid shit like that, but we blame Western imperialism. Western powers gave funding, weapons and training to Islamic jihadist militias to fight communists during the Cold War. Look up the Mujahideen in Afghanistan that the Regan Administration supported to fight the Soviets. They were who eventually became the Taliban. One needs only to look at other places in the Middle East such as Libya and Syria, who had mostly secular, non-fundamentalist governments that were supported by the majority of the people and things were mostly peaceful going well. The United States armed and backed the jihadist Al-Nusra front in Syria which was an ISIS affiliate. The radical Islamists in Syria defected and/or transferred US-given supplies to ISIS and basically created the problem to begin with. All we're saying is to look at external causes of phenomena such as terrorism. And ignore the Twitter woketards, most of us aren't like that.

holy fuck, that get! put me in the screen cap

>Western imperialism
>Meanwhile turning a blind eye to eastern imperialism
>Meanwhile turning a blind eye to basic multi-ethnic relationships

You are just neo-imperalists pretending to be hippies

its not about following Marx to the letter. its about accomplishing the one central thing communist society is about, and that's public ownership of the means of production. im willing to ignore literally every other tenet. but its only fair to be so hung up on this, like how capitalism simply wouldn't be capitalism if private ownership didn't exist. and it can only exist because the state or some military protects it.
but no, i would say socialism has been tried, and in some places succeeded at public ownership, like 1930s spain. obviously though the media would prefer you only be familiar with the definition of socialism that follows from the way the USSR was run. certainly an attempt, but never really achieved that central tenet.

> public ownership of the means of production
Glad to know US by virtue of its code of law is then, Communist country.

>"COMMUNISM ISN'T ABOUT FOLLOWING ANY COMMUNST IDEALS, ITS ABOUT FOLLOWING MY SPECIFIC FIXES TO COMMUNISM WHICH TOTALLY MAKE IT WORK!"

So only Western Imperialism is bad? What about Islamic Imperialism that came before that? Japanese Imperialism? Chinese Imperialism? African Imperialism? Those were all okay?

I believe I speak for all Nazi sympathizers when I say we are not in any way similar to communist scum.

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Thinking American capitalism is the same as 100% define capitalism
I bet your retarded enough to think that America is a democracy and not a federal republic

>n-not true socialism
I swear, that's a logical fallacy at this point

Except the centerpiece of the German economy was the state war machine, which meant government demand and/or funding for every industry that could lend itself to the war effort.

An economy that literally revolves around its state-owned military industrial complex is hardly traditionally capitalist.

How do you plan to enforce that without a tyrannical government? And how will you keep your tyrannical government from becoming corrupt as always happens?

Western Imperialism is bad because it's ironically pushing the Permanent Revolution of Communism through Pentagon and its faculties, such as DOD, together with State Department.

America hasn't been a federation ever since Lincoln won the civil war when the dispute was national government (North, Lincoln) vs. original interpretation of the then-Constitution which interpreted US as a compact of states, but no more.

>State-owned central planning is not communsim
Are you Retarded

>Except the centerpiece of the German economy was the state war machine
So like United States right now. Many such cases!

We need griffith more than ever. The absolute state of this general.

If you define State-owned central planning as Communism then by virtue of central bank that puts all of Western states squarely on the Communism category.

man, what an ingenious fucking trap

that's a strawman. i explicitly state in my post that for the sake of this argument im only caring about the one central tenet of communism. nowhere in my post did i imply it wasn't about following this one ideal, this one rule. nowhere in my post did i say "well if we just did x y and z we'd be there", i simply listed an example of a country that approximated public ownership pretty well because you said i thought it'd never been tried. its been tried many times, some people getting closer to the central tenet than others. i suspect that this next time, should a revolt succeed in america, might actually be close in the realization.
you're going to have to elaborate. the us allows existence of public ownership, but 'public' here means 'the state owns it'. which wouldn't be a problem if people had substantial control of the state, but they do not in the US.

i think you need to reread the post

your brain on cnn

>Obviously, that's the only reason they won the war.
How about no? At the height of their military expansion the Nazis had much of the Soviet population under their occupation. The Soviets ultimately won by outproducing and outmaneuvering the Germans tactically and strategically. Lend Lease helped substantially, mostly in terms of allowing the Soviets to more quickly mount counteroffensives after halting the Germans in Operation Barbarossa, but the Soviets wouldn't have been defeated even if they didn't get it.
>Which was fairly little, considering the soviets had already burnt most of it.
No, the Nazis stole grain and shipped it back to Germany. The Nazi invasion is estimated to have caused 67.9 billion rubles worth of damage to the Soviet Union, which was 30% of prewar Soviet capital, as shown by the academic abstract I'll link. In, fact it is likely even higher than that since that estimate was made long ago with virtually no access to Soviet archives. Hitler ordered a brutal scorched earth policy during the German retreat which involved demolishing cities, tearing up railways and communications infrastructure, destroying industrial equipment and burning farms and villages. Additionally there were so many men that had to go to the front that agricultural manpower was running low and so many civilians were killed by the Nazis that it was hard to replace those losses in the immediate aftermath of the war. All of this caused the 1945 famine.
>You can't destroy something that didn't exist to begin with. The only "infrastructure" the soviets had were giant party headquarters looming over the slums where the general population was forced to live.
The Nazis leveled entire cities you brainlet. The Soviets did have a scorched earth policy in the beginning but the Germans destroyed far more.

9/11

I'm still mad at this bitch who deleted my perfectly legit criticism of her retarded race obsessed "review".

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If we're using nebulous definitions, there's been more people killed in Baltimore this year so far than all those combined.

The difference is the united states has a proportionally high number of terrorist events in comparison to its relatively low level of civil of unrest.

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>civil of unrest
civil unrest

Why does the SJW recoil at the face of this?

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Nazis, dude?

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obvious bait but looks like you fooled a couple of people so congrats.

well, there will be people who want a return to private ownership because it was beneficial to them as bourgeoisie. and i don't want to murder any bourgeois who peacefully surrender their means of production, but you certainly couldn't blame them for having designs to go back to the way things were. so in such a scenario, i fully expect there to be a military whose goal is to protect public property, so long as the bourgeoisie represent a significant threat to the new public order. i expect that after several generations, 100 years or so, the number of capitalists pining for the old days will be near zilch. there will be no one to remember the times they personally sat on top, on the backs of the working people.
now, i worked on this post under the assumption the commoner laborer under communism will have no desire to return to capital, and i do think that's true, though i expect you wont. communism should be a proper expansion of the average persons power over society, over their life, and an increase in their standard of living. not too many people wanted to return to the monarchy after modern democratic governments were created because there was such an increase in their agency and power. at least now they could affect governmental change compared to prior monarchs.

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Nazis lost because just like in WW I they were on the clock against bigger and badder enemies.

this place is nothing but bait nowadays
it's like a vaudeville production

If Hitler was a socialist, why was his goal to destroy the USSR, who were socialists? Wouldn't they want to help the USSR spread socialism?
Eastern imperialism has not been as prevalent as Western imperialism has historically. Yes it's obvious that there are radical extremists but they would be mostly powerless fringe groups if the West didn't supply them with weapons to strengthen them to the point where they took over entire countries.
Western Imperialism is obviously the most prominent form of imperialism in world history and is the most prominent form today. We stand against all forms of imperialism but Western Imperialism is the most powerful and relevant form today. I was initially addressing the issue of Islamic extremism, and pointed to Western Imperialism as being the cause of these groups gaining strength and power by giving them aid to fight in the West's geopolitical interest.
Yes, but the corporations were all in the hands of private capitalists like Alfred Krupp, who made fortunes off of government contracts. These industrialists supported Hitler and joined the Nazi party. The word "privatization" was originally coined to describe what Hitler and the Nazis did when they auctioned off public property and enterprises owned previously by the Weimar government to private capitalists upon their seizure of power. Hitler purged every member of the Nazi party who opposed his capitalist reforms in the Night of the Long Knives.

> a return to private ownership
Private ownership is already gone. Has been, for some 200 years in most of Europe and US.

Why are you still here? Fuck off loser

>one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs of him like water off a raincoat. But call him nazi and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: 'I've been found out.'

And here is the ultimate goal of a socialist laid bare, "I would solve the problem of a tyrannical government by being it's leader"

>If Hitler was a socialist, why was his goal to destroy the USSR, who were socialists? Wouldn't they want to help the USSR spread socialism?

Because despite Hitler and NSDAP being socialistic in some practices, the dispute is that of larger category of 'Leftism' and 'Right', where Right is basically defined as "not in the exclusive leftist club", so Hitler was definitely a rightist. Just because he wasn't allowed into the club with FDR, Uncle Joe etc.

what an ugleh way of thinking

>If Hitler was a socialist, why was his goal to destroy the USSR, who were socialists? Wouldn't they want to help the USSR spread socialism?
Hitler was a socialist. The party is literally National Socialism. Marxist-Socialism is completely different.

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Half whites larping as nazis.

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>innocent women and children in New Zealand are at fault for 9/11
Right-wing retard logic everyone.
>muh black-on-black crime
That doesn't make far-right terrorism any less dangerous. The original point I was making was in response to the retards saying Antifa were the real Nazis despite them never having killed anyone. My point was that the far-right has committed multiple mass murders in the name of their ideology and if that they are Nazis, as all of them identified as far-right racist murderers and some even identified with literal Nazi ideology.

even with this debate going on this is unironically still the best lbg thread in ages

>The Soviets ultimately won by outproducing and outmaneuvering the Germans tactically and strategically.
They won because they had a near limitless supply of people to throw into the meatgrinder and a near limitless supply of American equipment to to give to their hordes.
>but the Soviets wouldn't have been defeated even if they didn't get it.
They would have continued to exist in Siberia, but they could not have held Europe.
>No, the Nazis stole grain and shipped it back to Germany.
They shipped back a portion of the grain that had survived the soviet retreat.
>Hitler ordered a brutal scorched earth policy during the German retreat which involved demolishing cities, tearing up railways and communications infrastructure, destroying industrial equipment and burning farms and villages.
As did Stalin, with one crucial difference: Hitler only did it to his enemies, while Stalin did it to his own people.
>Additionally there were so many men that had to go to the front that agricultural manpower was running low and so many civilians were killed by the Nazis that it was hard to replace those losses in the immediate aftermath of the war. All of this caused the 1945 famine.
The same can be said about Germany. The cities were destroyed and millions were dead. In addition it was occupied by foreign powers. And yet it recovered infinitely better than the USSR did.
Also, lets not pretend that the immediate aftermath of ww2 was the only time the soviet people starved.

Don't try, the fact that different cultures can effect ideologies such as socialism or communism confuses the poor man

>"I would solve the problem of a tyrannical government by being it's leader"

That's liberalism though, basically what french people thought from 17th to 19th centuries in their opposition to Monarchy. Socialism is nothing but an even more corrupt off shoot of Liberalism (both stem from same genus, that of secularizing Christianity which started with Jesus, itself being a protestant Jew sect)

Meanwhile in China...

theguardian.com/cities/2018/jul/31/china-in-africa-win-win-development-or-a-new-colonialism

>inb4 it's not imperialism, its not like flooding a foreign nation with your own money to build what you want, to attain raw material, and all the while have them under your control isn't imperialism

Private ownership is outlawed in many Communist nations. Like China. You are forbidden under Chinese Communist law to own land. That's the worst part about Communism, it's full of lies. They promise you everything and then take it all away. You have no power to stop them.
USSR were Communists, not socialists. Americans don't understand this but those are different things. Hitler was a Socialist who hated capitalists and communists.

>Unironically going "no u" when outed as a facist with socialist leanings

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>Western Imperialism is obviously the most prominent form of imperialism in world history
>What is Egypt?
>What is China?
>What is Mongolia?
>What is Kush, Nubia, Ethiopian empires?

>Communists, not socialists
>Actually going "it's not real socialism!"

define private ownership for me.
only if its necessary to even have a military to protect the new property rights. the once bourgeoisie members of commie society are only a threat if they can amass a guerilla army of their own. assuming they can, the only thing you can do is respond in kind. its a fairy tale to assume that you can just have guns down in a scenario, sing kumbaya, and everything be ok. i think im being reasonable here. i don't wish to lead some whatever standing army for communism, im simply using my brain to say this seems to be the only way to protect the interests of the communists in our new society. if you got a better idea, let me know. to you, even recommending a plan is equivalent to declaring yourself a leader, which is stupid and ridiculous. i was answering the question posed to me on how to protect the new society.

Neither of them are my tribe.

>trumpkins
People actually use baby speak like this irl lol

Well yes, but also their grand strategy was very poor. The reason Hitler invaded the Soviet Union at the time that he did was because he desperately needed oil to meet the demands of not only Germany but of all the countries Germany was occupying at that point. The Allies refused to sell them any so the only place they could get it was from the Soviet Union. The Soviets initially traded oil to the Germans for technology and industrial equipment as well as to keep the Germans friendly for as long as possible while the Red Army prepared for war and the USSR finished its initial industrialization plans. This still wasn't enough, so Hitler decided he needed to take the oilfields in the Caucasus and Azerbaijan as soon as possible and felt that the Soviets were at their weakest point militarily in June 1941. The Soviets also ended up tactically outmaneuvering them at the end of the war as well, once Germany's offensive capabilities had been spent and blitzkrieg was no longer an option.

How the fuck was this a coincidence?

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They literally are not the same ideology. Again, stupid Americans don't realize this. And I say this as someone opposed to both socialism and communism which are both failed ideologies.

I don't think I've had a single comment survive on letterboxd, ever.

>"Tyranny is necessary to bring about socialism!"

> define private ownership for me.
It's not yours if you can't keep it. And nobody keeps their property in any modern Western state for that matter.

> also their grand strategy was very poor
Bunch of it was from the strategies used in WW I which were created after 1870s. They were very old strategies indeed.

>Eastern imperialism has not been as prevalent as Western imperialism has historically.

What the fuck???

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>Both invented by the exact same people
>"I-its not the same at all!"

It's literally just a way that lefties can blame literally all problems ever on white people.

>Completely different people are the same people
>Different ideologies are the same
Did you drop out of school?

It's obvious that Ser Ghengis of the principality of Khan was a Scottish man user!

if 'tyranny' means violence to beat violence, yeah. it was for modern democracy and capitalism as well. im sure you recall the french revolution. we wouldn't be living in our society as is if the monarchs weren't violently overthrown. and i bet you love capitalism, so you should be thanking your revolutionaries.

I love that the creator of Wire is defending Baltimore as a city, and blaming white people for destroying it because they left it.

the progressive mind virus is hell of a drug.

Yes, because as we all know Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels are different than Friedrich Engels and Karl Marx

Hitler just kept "socialist" in the party's name to appeal to the working class. Just because the government did stuff didn't mean that the Nazis were socialists
This is Hitler's bullshit retard-tier definition of socialism. It's just him using mental gymnastics to justify keeping the pre-Hitler Nazi party's original name to appeal to working class people who were being very drawn to leftist socialist and communist parties at the time.
Socialism is a part of communism. Reaching the communism mode of production is the end goal of Marxists establishing socialism. Look up basic Marxist concepts on Wikipedia.

sarcasm is a 14 year old girls tool

Well at least you are honest about being a facist. Glad you are no longer a socialist by your own definition

Reminder that it was the left-sitting socialists which wanted capitalism in french revolution, and they praised it as progress.
> Just because the government did stuff didn't mean that the Nazis were socialists
it does in any non-insane definition.

>Lists two people
>thinks they are one person

so brave in this pro-nazi climate

Was the garlic shooter really a white supremacist? It seems like the media is looking for any possible way to demonize all white males at every turn. Remember when obvious muslim terrorists would have 20x the evidence of people ideologically motivated to commit their act of terror but the media would obfuscate and say "well we really don't know why he did it." This is just going to make more crazy incels think that society is against them and give more ammo to the leftists that want to demonize all white people.

capitalism quite literally is progress over feudalism. doesn't mean we should stop here though.

user, you need to go back to english class. "Same people" is plural meaning multiple people

HITLER WAS RIGHT

Capitalism gives the most power to the people of any system so far. The people have the greatest purchasing power which equates to overall power.

Don't reveal to them that capitalism lead to the creation of unions and saftey standards user, and that it is actually government oversight that prevents these two from happening. It might confuse them

> Doesn't mean we should stop there
This implies that there is a 'we' and that is just another leftist insanity.

>The people have the greatest purchasing power
Really? American Dollar has lost 97% of its value since Bretton Woods was ended, which means there has been massive monetary base inflation, which is the same as loss of purchasing power.

The state has the greatest purchasing power through its money printing machine, from which it can give meaningless receipts to 'people'

>It's just him using mental gymnastics to justify keeping the pre-Hitler Nazi party's original name
Before him it was just called German Workers Party. He's the one who renamed it to National Socialist German Workers Party. Though the socialism in the same refers to Bismarckian State Socialism, not marxist socialism.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Socialism_(Germany)

>They won because they had a near limitless supply of people to throw into the meatgrinder and a near limitless supply of American equipment to to give to their hordes.
This is patently false, stop with this Wehraboo horseshit. Look up deep battle tactics or watch TIK on Youtube and learn something other than memes about the Eastern Front.
>They would have continued to exist in Siberia, but they could not have held Europe.
They would have held Europe. The Nazis were overextended and exhausted by the time they reached the gates of Moscow. Operation Barbarossa failed and the Germans were then trapped in a war of attrition that they could not win.
>They shipped back a portion of the grain that had survived the soviet retreat.
And subsequent grain grown in the territories they occupied.
>As did Stalin, with one crucial difference: Hitler only did it to his enemies, while Stalin did it to his own people.
Hitler did it to his own people you brainlet, look up the Nero Decree. The only thing that saved Germany from being entirely dismantled by the Nazis was Albert Speer disobeying Hitler's order to pass it on. Stalin did what he had to do to save the Soviet Union. By delaying the Nazi advance with scorched earth, the Soviets bought enough time to dig in in their defensive positions and break down and transfer their factories to the East of the Urals which saved the Soviet war industry.
>The same can be said about Germany. The cities were destroyed and millions were dead. In addition it was occupied by foreign powers. And yet it recovered infinitely better than the USSR did.
The reason was because of the Marshall Plan you brainlet. Along with the fact that the Germans in the West mostly surrendered peacefully to the Western Allies since they didn't fear retribution. America's fully intact industrial base and newfound economic dominance gained from the Bretton-Woods agreement allowed the US to rebuild West Germany from the ground up.

Government oversight, welfare such as social security, over reliance in government spending many other reasons can easily show why purchasing power has been lowered. Read Hayek Nigger

I use letterboxd and I'm a nazi

Everyone who isn’t far left

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>Also, lets not pretend that the immediate aftermath of ww2 was the only time the soviet people starved.
The only other time was the 1932 famine which was caused by drought, poor weather, crop diseases such as wheat rust and was aggravated by kulak sabotage and resistance to collectivization. Look up the studies by Davies and Wheatcroft as well as the one by Mark Tauger. After the 1945 famine that was caused by the German invasion, the famines that had occurred regularly in the Russian Empire for centuries never happened again, thanks to the Soviets mechanizing agriculture and improving infrastructure.

> Government oversight.
Exactly, it literally oversees the creation of money as it has been successfully decoupled from the supply and demand functions (like gold).

Hayek is nice, but Mises and Rothbard are both better.

Name a single communist or socialist nation that has ever experienced deflation and increased purchasing power. I'll wait. Spending $20billion rubles for a loaf of bread is what you get with communism.

What about all the commies in lb. Sally Jane Black is a stalin apologist

Black males between the age of 14 and 25 (5%) commit over 50% of the violent crimes

so lets look around the world to see if theres a common pattern, we'll ignore africa for obvious reasons

In the United Kingdom:
Approximately 2.8% of the population is black. (Source: 2012 Census)
In 2011-2012, 23% of arrests were of blacks, 4 times higher arrest rate for blacks than whites, taking population into account (Source: MOJ publication, "Race and the Criminal Justice System")

In Australia:
theage.com.au/victoria/african-youth-crime-concern-20120819-24glt.html

In the UK, ethnic minorities disproportionate source of crime and asocial behaviour:
telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856404/Police-statistics-shed-fresh-light-on-link-between-crime-and-race.html
justice.gov.uk/downloads/statistics/mojstats/stats-race-cjs-2010.pdf

UK has more blacks in jail proportionately than the US:
guardian.co.uk/society/2010/oct/11/black-prison-population-increase-england
crime
>Victims of racist attacks in Oldham: 62% White
telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1316725/Police-fear-Asian-gangs-may-set-up-no-go-areas.html
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1160552.stm
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1296007.stm

>Victims wounded in racist attacks: 83.3% White
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6128466.stm

>Victims murdered in racist attacks: 41.4% White.
guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/oct/22/ukcrime.race

>Racist assault victims: 62.5% White
independent.co.uk/news/most-race-attack-victims-are-white-1069502.html

>1 in 5 murder/rape suspects are immigrants:
thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4437163/1-in-5-rape-and-murder-suspects-in-England-and-Wales-are-migrant.html

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>Name a single communist or socialist nation that has ever experienced deflation and increased purchasing power

Are you actually fucking retarded? That's not what I am arguing for at all.

well, purchasing power isn't the only type of power, i hope you'd agree. there is also power over ones life and ones surroundings. once the checkbox for purchasing power (ie, "i can reasonably have the wants and needs of my life") has been ticked, then people start looking at other checkboxes. you can easily see that the thing nazis and socialists alike are concerned with is power over their own life and surroundings. they can have all the nice stuff they want in the comfort of their own home, but still they are wanting. are they just greedy in your mind? should they shut up and enjoy the banquet capital gives them?

China is actually helping countries develop, unlike the West that bombs them and overthrows their democratically-elected governments.
Western Imperialism is more relevant to the modern world than Ethiopia you fucking brainlet.
The point is is that Mongolia is no longer an imperialist power. Western imperialism continues to this day, Mongolian imperialism does not.
>muh blaming white people
When did I ever say that?

>power over ones life and ones surroundings
Also important and also not found in communist nations. The Party has all of the power. The people have none. Unless you think Chinese or Soviet citizens actually had any power at all.

>China is actually helping countries develop
Yeah, tying shithole African states to debt slavery is "helping" kek nice one tranny.

>China is actually helping countries develop
That's what Imperialism is. The West developed every nation they conquered. That was the point. They built roads, trains, power grids, farmlands. China is doing the same. It's the exact same thing.

Males, despite making up less than half the population, are responsible for more than 80% of violent crime.

Males constituted 98.9% of those arrested for forcible rape[51]
Males constituted 87.9% of those arrested for robbery[51]
Males constituted 85.0% of those arrested for burglary[51]
Males constituted 83.0% of those arrested for arson.[51]
Males constituted 81.7% of those arrested for vandalism.[51]
Males constituted 81.5% of those arrested for motor-vehicle theft.[51]
Males constituted 79.7% of those arrested for offenses against family and children.[51]

Kill all males. Clearly women are the superior sex.

Fact is research shows black women, many living in Atlanta, are being infected with HIV -- so much so that the new cases are being compared to African countries.
11alive.com/news/article/240913/3/HIV-crisis-facing-black-women-in-metro-Atlanta

Fact is Black Privilege means being responsible for virtually all crime in Atlanta: Blacks are 54 percent of the population but are responsible for:

- 100 percent of homicide
- 95 percent of rape
- 94 percent of robbery
- 84 percent of aggravated assault
- 93 percent of burglary

Source: APD Uniform Crime Reports, Apr 2011 to Apr 2012
atlantapd.org/uniformcrimereports.aspx

FACT: Most inventions attributed to black people are myths.
unamusementpark.com/2012/02/black-alternate-history-month-the-extended-remix

FACT: - 62% of ALL Black births are paid for by the US government
cdc.gov/nchs/datawh/statab/pubd/2319_69.htm [archived]

FACT: 68.7% of Blacks are born out of wedlock
cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/pdf/nvsr50_05tb19.pdf [archived]

CRIME

Total Murders committed by blacks in 2011: 2925
Total Murders committed by whites in 2011: 2823

White victims of black murderers: 448
Black victims of white murderers: 193

Murdering rate for blacks 7.1 / 100,000
Murdering rate for whites 1.1 / 100,000

Victimhood rate for blacks 6.7 / 100,000
Victimhood rate for whites 1.3 / 100,000

Rate of black on black murder: 84% of all murders committed by blacks
Rate of white on white murder: 93% of all murders committed by whites

Rate of black on white murder: 15% of all murders committed by blacks
Rate of white on black murder: 6% of all murders committed by whites

You're arguing with a retarded lefty who probably unironically believes that race is only skin color and that africa would be a powerhouse without colonization. Blank slate egalitarianism is one hell of a religion.

This but unironically

Men are required to propagate humanity, niggers are not.

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Imperialism isn't what's helping, it's just bureaucrat version of the old Colonialism and a negative development (as all conceptualization tends to be)

Read James Anthony Froude, "Oceana" or "
The English in the West Indies"

> West developed every nation they conquered
We got some of them right, but as usual, human capital is the only thing in the end that matters. So Singapore, Hong Kong, Macau, United States, Japan, West Germany etc. turned all right

i don't disagree. we're still pining for that dream of increased autonomy today, and its certainly not found in the ussr or china. i don't know what you're trying to get me to admit in this conversation. that because some attempts have failed means we should stop trying?

No, he means yurotrash leftover shitters that unironically call for death of jews and other minorities whining about others while never doing a single productive thing in their pathetic lives.

>Men are required to propagate humanity
Not as much as women. You only need 1 male and 100 females to create a hundred babies.

China has renegotiated and forgiven debts multiple times you fucking retard. The loans they give are low or zero-interest anyway, and a lot of the money comes from private Chinese investors themselves as well as the Chinese state banks. The IMF and the World Bank have been fucking third-world countries with debt slavery without even giving them infrastructure or economic growth. France still has 14 African countries paying it a colonial tax to this day.
>That's what Imperialism is. The West developed every nation they conquered.
No, Imperialism is merely just exploitation. The West only built infrastructure insofar as it helped them get to and extract the resources they wanted. African, Asian and South American colonies were not settlement colonies like America, Canada, Australia and New Zealand that were actively settled and developed by the countries that established them. Those colonies were resource extraction colonies where the population was mostly just left to sit in misery and poverty while all of their nation's wealth was extracted and exported back to the mother country. Yes they built some schools and hospitals but mostly just for the European colonial administrators and the few natives they bothered to educate to help with administering and profiting the colony. China is actually going in and investing in the economies of these countries and helping them build things that will actually help them develop economically.

>This is Hitler's bullshit retard-tier definition of socialism.
t. marxist shill

Bro, when you have one party with absolute power over a nation, the power mad cut-throat sociopaths will be the ones who rise to power and rule. This is why communism tried by humans on a grand scale can never work, human nature. Maybe a """"fair"""" super AI a la "The Culture" could make communism work in the far future, but humans in charge of a one party system will always have power mad dictators that rise to the top.

america isn't productive either, thats why your 10 year yield is at 2% and powell is gonna cut lmao

this is bait, esp. since its shown that ''resource extraction'' didnt even cover the costs and states with nigger colonies lost money on trying to shine those turds.

>This is patently false, stop with this Wehraboo horseshit. Look up deep battle tactics or watch TIK on Youtube and learn something other than memes about the Eastern Front.
Obviously soviet tactics were more complicated than just human wave attacks, but the casualty numbers don't lie. The soviet government was willing to sacrifice it's people in absurdly large numbers.
>They would have held Europe. The Nazis were overextended and exhausted by the time they reached the gates of Moscow. Operation Barbarossa failed and the Germans were then trapped in a war of attrition that they could not win.
Without lend lease the battle of Stalingrad could have easily gone the other way. Had that happened, the soviets would have lost the caucasus and wouldn't have had the resources to keep their army supplied.
>Hitler did it to his own people you brainlet, look up the Nero Decree.
Which he quickly changed his mind on and was never implemented.
>The reason was because of the Marshall Plan you brainlet.
The marshal plan was comparatively little. Germany got only around 10%, with far more funds going to Britain and France.

Okay so let's go about pragmatic solutions that we can implement to lower crime in already existing western countries. Kill 99% of men and use them as breeders for a 99% female society? Never going to happen. Forbid people of races that world-wide commit more crime and have lower IQ from immigrating to western countries and live off welfare? Easy. Also, without testosterone almost all scientific endeavors would halt and all jobs that require labor would disappear.

marshal plan provided Europe with brain wash op. that killed all of the 'right', nothing but globohomo culture engineering

do you not think this description does not also apply to present day capitalism, in which the elites are clearly on top and dictate all important policy, using the militaries they control to wreak havoc in poor countries, while allowing the populace in first world countries to participate in political theater whose range of acceptable to discuss policies never gets close to encroaching on the policies that keep said elites in power. i don't disagree that one party states are corrupt, but that's because they aren't made accountable to the people they purportedly serve. that can change. but only through threats of violence by the commoners.

removing blacks will stop most of the crime in us.
13, but also 50.

The elites in our system are checked by other powers with conflicting interests. Humans will always form into hierarchies because some people will always be better than others or be willing to do things that others are not. There needs to be multiple powers with conflicting interests or else you will just get a one party system where a Mao or Stalin will eventually seize power and commit mass murder. Communism in humans cannot work dude.

I am a Marxist yes, but Hitler's "socialism" is nothing like actual socialism that had been established more than 100 years prior to Hitler gaining power. If you want to learn the history of socialist thought, start with the pre-Marxist French utopian socialists.
Some colonies were unprofitable, yes, but it all depended on the amount and value of resources in a given colony. The German Empire, for instance, got fucked since it was late to the colony game and got stuck with shitty colonies that ultimately turned out not to be profitable, while the British, French and Belgians got all the rich resources like rare earth metals and cash crops. Most of the actual humanitarian-inspired development was undertaken by private charities mostly of religious nature, but the investors just cared about profiting from the resource extraction.

Who let the gremlins into this thread?

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>That doesn't make far-right terrorism any less dangerous
No it indeed doesn't, it just makes the black population more dangerous than your right-wing terrorists.

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> some
no user

overall on aggregate

colonization was money losing adventur for the colonizer
the profitable ones are exception but they cant makenit overall profitable

Based Wormwood

> ignoring fat tails
lmao

It's all a media ploy to further demonize young white men, they are also pushing hard on the incels narritive. 99.999% of whites aren't white nationalists. The only argument that the user replying to you can say now is that black crime isn't ideologically motivated which is a moot point because there is a 0% chance of white nationalism every gaining a footing in the west.

China is exploiting Africa, buddy. They're only building infrastructure that benefits China's goals of extracting resources. That's the same shit the West did. It's a joke that you think China is doing something different. Everything China does is modeled on what the West did in the previous century.

>just because we call ourselves something means that's what we are
Not everyone's dumb enough to fall for your cunty tricks, faggot.
"The fascists of the future will call themselves anti fascist" -winston churchill

He just hates white people.

there's hardly anything worse than 50% of white people tho

>without testosterone almost all scientific endeavors would halt
More women are graduating with stem degrees than men, and their graduation rate is higher
aei.org/publication/gender-gap-in-stem-women-are-majority-of-stem-grad-students-and-they-earn-a-majority-of-stem-bachelors-degrees/

>all jobs that require labor would disappear
Women can take testosterone to perform manual labor better, and testosterone alone does not cause violence.
scientificamerican.com/article/strange-but-true-testosterone-alone-doesnt-cause-violence/

Yet if you went a little more precisely and just removed all people convicted of a crime regardless of race you would eliminate 95% of crime by only removing 1% of the population. Blacks just look worse compared to whites, but if you compare whites to asian americans you'll see their annual income, crime rate, and college graduation rate are all lower than asian americans. Same with jews.

>I am a Marxist yes
Which is why your arguments are nonsensical.
>but Hitler's "socialism" is nothing like actual socialism
Fuck off, Marxist shill. There are many different types of theories which use the term socialism. You don't own it and never have.

My comment got deleted by letterboxd mods on a review of the new Lion King that said it was great for diversity that they got less white cast members and more blacks

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>college graduation lower
*college dropout rate lower

>but the casualty numbers don't lie.
Many of the Soviet dead come from all of the captured Soviet prisoners taken in the initial successful maneuvers the Germans made in the opening stages of the invasion. These men were neglected and left to starve or be worked to death. If you include the casualties of German allies on the Eastern Front such as Italy, Hungary, Romania, Croatia, Finland Slovakia etc. the casualty ratios are a lot closer and the disparity dropped as the Red Army got back on its feet after the initial disasters of the beginning of the war.
>The soviet government was willing to sacrifice it's people in absurdly large numbers.
So were the Nazis. Hitler would often order cities to be held to the last man and would refuse to allow his generals to retreat or make tactical withdrawals. The Soviets were willing to sacrifice because the war meant life or death and enslavement under the Nazi jackboot for them, of course they were going to fight to the bitter end.
>Without lend lease the battle of Stalingrad could have easily gone the other way.
Probably not. Even if the Germans somehow managed to force the Soviets out of the city, the manpower and equipment losses suffered at Stalingrad would still be irreplaceable and the Soviets would likely just retake the city anyway.
>Had that happened, the soviets would have lost the caucasus and wouldn't have had the resources to keep their army supplied.
Again, even if the Germans won, it'd be a Phyrric victory, as the Germans wouldn't have the strength to thrust into the Caucasus after losing so many irreplaceable man and materiel.
>Which he quickly changed his mind on and was never implemented.
Hitler didn't change his mind, the only thing that stopped the Decree from being carried out was Albert Speer's disobeying Hitler's order to do it.

Griffith was pro-Klan

we dont need to remove all first

just the biggest per capita offenders first

then create gated communities for non criminal poors

then make rest of the criminals to biodiesel

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The average stem graduate isn't going to be pushing the boundaries of innovation. Testosterone along with the area under the right tail of the distribution of the IQ curve is to thank for every single life-changing invention and innovation since the industrial revolution. Again, the pragmatic solution wouldn't be to kill 99% of men but not letting in lower IQ people from other countries is very doable. And yea asians and jews do have higher IQ so there's no wondering why they ear more. Always good to see a fellow race realist in the thread :^)

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>The marshal plan was comparatively little. Germany got only around 10%, with far more funds going to Britain and France.
Still more than the Soviets got, who were devastated far worse than the Western Allies were. Plus, as I mentioned earlier, West Germany, which was historically more developed and industrialized than the Eastern part of the country that ended up becoming communist, was captured with far less bloodshed and destruction as many Germans on the Western Front surrendered peacefully to the Allies since they didn't fear retribution from them for Nazi war crimes like they did in the East. The Soviets had to rebuild their whole country from scratch, and barely got any reparations from the Germans since the majority of the country including all the wealthy, developed, industrialized parts all went to the Western Allies. The Soviets got screwed in that deal and had to spend decades recovering from the destruction wreaked by the Nazis.

doesn't matter, it's still fact

China was one of the only poor countries that was successfully able to develop itself and climb out of poverty. China seeks win-win deals with poor countries and is trying to win over their support with friendship and cooperation rather than with brute force and political subterfuge. Of course China is still looking out for their own economic and geopolitical interests, as all countries do, but it is actually in China's interest for these countries to develop, while for the neoliberal West such development is against their interest, as neoliberalism thrives on exploiting cheap labor and raw materials. At least the Chinese are helping these countries make some actual progress instead of just looting them and leaving.
Where did I ever say this? Not all white countries were imperialist ones and not all imperialist countries were white. I focus on Western imperialism because it is the most powerful and relevant one in the modern world.

>we should remove people based on IQ, so remove blacks, because they have a higher rate of a lower IQ, despite the fact that it would be far simpler to just remove people based on IQ alone not race so we get all the stupid people out more efficiently
Say it with me: mental gymnastics

>The average stem graduate isn't going to be pushing the boundaries of innovation
Technological progress has been largely been attributed to an environment of economic prosperity, low crime, and high education levels, not some mystical genius gene found in the Y chromosome.

>And yea asians and jews do have higher IQ so there's no wondering why they earn more
So you suggest it would be better to just replace all races with the one race with the highest IQ average?

>China wanting anything else from africa than cheap raw resources sold by corrupt officials for pennies and a place to dump their trash

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You're hilariously naive. Do some more research on China. They're essentially bribing local politicians to sign horrible deals that only benefit China and the politicians taking the bribes. It's just a cheaper way to acquire land and resources without the expense of war. China is not benevolent. They are a greedy nation that is exploiting Africa's poverty for their own gain. It won't last. There will be wars in Africa when the people want to take back their land from the Chinese. Eventually the people will realize they aren't benefiting from the deals China signed with corrupted politicians.

>Which is why your arguments are nonsensical.
That's a non-sequitur, my being a Marxist has nothing to do with my arguments supposedly being "nonsensical." What exactly is "nonsensical" about them?
>There are many different types of theories which use the term socialism.
Yes, but just because a theory or philosophy uses a term to describe itself doesn't necessarily mean that it actually is what it says it is. Mormons, for example, call themselves Christian and claim to be Christian but many mainstream Christians don't consider Mormons to be Christian because they believe its heresy that goes against Christian theology.
>You don't own it and never have.
We kind of do. Not specifically Marxists alone, but people who believe in collective ownership of the means of production. That is what socialism originally meant. If you don't support collective ownership then you are not a socialist, it's really as simple as that.

No, don't remove anybody. My whole argument was that removing 99% of men isn't a pragmatic solution to lowering crime. Not letting in 3rd worlders from somalia is.

stripping criminals of nationality and sending them to mx is practical

Well, the tide is turning and China is the biggest imperialist currently, even if its imperialism is mostly on the economic side. It gives China influence over countries it lends money to, makes them dependent on it and so on.
There is, however, an opinion that while China sort of takes over countries it lends money to, this lending is still a sort of investment, the one which does not pay off in the end. Therefore, the economic might that is China is kinda under threat now, the threat of economic slowdown at least.

>china wants to help these countries grow
>the same China that steam rolled over Taiwan and Tibet
>the same China that’s kidnapping half Chinese citizens of muslim countries to brain wash them for the party

China is trying to become the new world super power, it’s doing what’s worked for the other superpowers in the past. The only difference is that Chinas government and people don’t give a single fuck about “divirsity” or any other shit that’s brought the west to the brink of collapse.

They're trying to increase their soft power and gain allies, of course they're going to want to increase ties with other nations and want them to be economically strong and developed.
I'm not denying that China is looking out for its own interests but my point is is that many of China's geopolitical interests align with the interests of poor countries so they are willing to help them develop. China is trying to expand markets to sell its goods to decrease dependence on the US for trade. To do this, more poor countries need to start developing and build up a class of people with incomes to buy things. They're also trying to create a new trade route to Europe that goes through the rest of Asia and the Middle East and also touches Africa. The development of these nations is in China's interest, so they see it as a geopolitical investment as much as it is an economic one.

oof lot of commies itt

dont you need to dilate

>invest absolutely miniscule amounts to grease the wheels of officials
>rape the landscapes of resourses using cheap labor
>leave
It looks like my investment paid off.

What the fuck are you talking about, retard

>Many of the Soviet dead come from all of the captured Soviet prisoners taken in the initial successful maneuvers the Germans made in the opening stages of the invasion.
I was talking about battle casualties, which are absurdly high on the soviet side until very late in the war. Whether someone was killed or captured makes no difference in that regard.
>So were the Nazis.
They made far more efforts to protect their population than the soviets did.
>Probably not. Even if the Germans somehow managed to force the Soviets out of the city, the manpower and equipment losses suffered at Stalingrad would still be irreplaceable and the Soviets would likely just retake the city anyway.
>Hitler didn't change his mind, the only thing that stopped the Decree from being carried out was Albert Speer's disobeying Hitler's order to do it.
The fact that he changed his mind on the issue is the reason he gave Speer authority over it to begin with.
>Still more than the Soviets got
Their plunder from controlling eastern Europe more than made up for it.
>Plus, as I mentioned earlier, West Germany, which was historically more developed and industrialized than the Eastern part
Eastern Germany (or rather Central Germany at the time) was fairly well industrialized itself. Not as densely as the Rheinland, but more than for example Bavaria. The truly rural areas were the ones that were given to Poland.

i just wanted to talk about letterboxd

Imperialism aligned with the interest of poor countries too. Many of those poor countries still want the Imperialists from the West back because that was when their nations were the most stable and their people the most wealthy. There are many in India who want the Brits back. The Bantus of Africa actively helped the Imperialist Westerners because their goals lined up very well. Just a week ago people in Hong Kong were flying the flag of Imperialist Hong Kong and calling for the return of the British Empire because it was better for the people than China. People in 2019 have ridiculously shallow and stupid ideas about what Imperialism actually meant to locals.

whites are the load bearing structure of reality.

China is not the biggest imperialist. The West combined still is as the world is still mostly controlled by the United States and it's allies in Asia and Europe.
>muh Taiwan
When did China "steam roll over" Taiwan? The communists never invaded and it's still KMT run til this day.
>muh Tibet
Most Tibetan peasants supported Mao and many of them joined his army to take Tibet. The Tibetan peasants supported the communists because the communists actually brought things like roads, electricity, running water, medicine and education while the Buddhist lamas that ruled before just lived in resplendent luxury while their people lived in medieval-tier conditions. Tibet was historically part of China anyway and the freedom movement is backed by the US government and naive Hollywood limousine liberals.
>muh Muslim camps
The reeducation camps are only for radical Islamists in China. The government detains those who are a security threat and educates them to abandon their destructive ideas and join in building China up. The East Turkestan independence movement is a jihadist group that wants to break Xinjiang away from China and turn it into a theocratic sharia-run shithole. China, meanwhile is, helping to develop Xinjiang. China's Muslim allies like Pakistan have spoken out against Western propaganda about the camps and continue to support China. Again, it's just another Western-backed movement to balkanize China.

I’m surprised that no one has posted the Tieneman square copy pasta yet, your precious China doesn’t gives less of a duck about the world now than Europe ever did. Is it’s imperialism better than the west? Only time will tell, but don’t bitch about the cultural steam rolling the west does while completely excusing China’s crimes