You killed western animation

>be the last truly traditionally animated Disney film in North America
>film has some of the best songs and hand-drawn animation since the fucking Renaissance
>people literally don't see it because of "muh black princess" and it performs poorly
>kills the traditional animation department
>effectively kills the tranditional hand-drawn market
>entire company shifts into Disney Digital
>quite literally, won't ever get kino like this again in my lifetime
I hope you're proud of yourselves, zoomers. This is pretty much your fault. Yes, I am salty and assmad about it.

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you act like disney didn't intentionally undermarket this and the pooh movie

I saw commercials for this everywhere
>this is the rebirth of animation
>It will be a Disney classic
>It's the same animators behind Tarzan, Lion King and blah blah blah

should've pandered to there audience more even black people don't care about her and would rather remake old characters black

>people literally don't see it because of "muh black princess" and it performs poorly

Which was a good thing, America was less susceptible to "FIRST BLACK SUPERHERO (even though Blade exists)" tier marketing

The movie was trash apart from the villain

Go back to /pol/ you dumb faggot. This was the literal only black Disney film-related princess as a main protagonist.

>Which was a good thing
You're still banned from Twitter, Richard.

This.

Before anyone else in this thread says that hand-drawn animation is too expensive and that is the reason for its decline;
STOP RIGHT THERE
It's not too expensive. Modern CGI films have budgets much higher than movies long ago so stop repeating this stupid argument.

The reasoning behind the sabotage of hand-drawn animation is that it's a particular skillset that requires an insane amount of time to cultivate to a level that allows you to produce movies of this caliber.
Picture a situation where there is a studio that produces movies using a very specific medium or technique, but said studio is also the only place on that side of the globe that offers sufficient classes and workshops to train its artists and animators to be able to produce this kind of work.
And in order to be even remotely as good as these artists, you have to pretty much live there like an apprentice-master scenario and prepare to live and die by the kind of workplace values and ethics they carefully developed over many many decades.

This is why hand-drawn animation is no longer a thing. To simply train the next generation of hand-drawn animators is extremely time consuming and requires people who are willing to live and die by the craft.

Computer animation is something that is much easier to train, and we live in a era where frequent release quotas are king and not lengthy productions with tenderness and care.

CGI is literally cheaper than specialized hand-drawn art though?

CG are more expensive. The numbers speak for themselves.

*CG movies are

>CG are more expensive
You know literally nothing about how computer graphics works if you believe that. The sheer enormity of computer graphics in applications to film is so commonplace, that I bet you don't even notice when it happens. It's markedly easier to generate something in a digital space, versus painstakingly drawing it by hand. How fucking old are you? The numbers speak for themselves.

>The numbers speak for themselves
You realize right that most of a film's budget (if we are talking about an "event" summer film) goes to the actor's salaries and post-production/marketing, right? literal footage and CG touching doesn't cost a third of that fucking budget. Why does this board pretend to know anything about film? It's embarrassing, reddit unironically is smarter than you.

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Which movie cost more to make, the original lion king or the remake? And why is that, do you think?

That's an example of "exception to the rule" due to muh photorealism. The majority of films with CGI in them are effectively cheaper than traditionally animated films are after you adjust for inflation.

You're being a literal brainlet. This technology is available to children now.

>It's markedly easier to generate something in a digital space, versus painstakingly drawing it by hand.
Spoken like a typical know-it-all faggot who has never touched 3D modeling/animation/rendering software and doesn't understand how lengthy and time consuming the production pipeline is.

Shut the fuck up about things you know nothing about.

What is with these armchair VFX specialists who think that arguing semantics and making unfounded statements contradicts things that are easily verifiable with the a quick 10 second google search on budget numbers between movies?

>Shut the fuck up about things you know nothing about.
Disney is literally churning out multiple completely cgi films a year at this point. Are you fucking stupid? Where do you even get your poorly thought out opinions from? You have a current industry where CGI is literally put into every film you've ever seen, of the last 2 decades...and we haven't had a traditionally animated hand-drawn wide release since what? Tell me what?

It's cheap, buddy. It's in everything. Read a book you faggot.

VFX is not more expensive than hand-drawn animation.

>Disney is literally churning out multiple completely cgi films a year at this point.
Yeah. You know why that happens? Because those movies make over a billion each.
Meaning, they can afford to do that because it's (wait for it) a profitable business plan.

Holy shit, just shut the fuck up. You're so fucking stupid it hurts.

Back to lelddit faggot

>You have a current industry where CGI is literally put into every film you've ever seen, of the last 2 decades
How.
Does.
This .
Prove.
That.
C.
G.
Is.
Less.
Expensive.
Than.
Hand.
Drawn.
Animation????

The US produced an absolutely colossal number of weapons and material for their invasion of Iraq.
But I guess it wasn't expensive either, right?

Even small films have hundreds of CGI touchups and effects added to it. I feel like you're honestly underage as fuck and can't mentally grapple with the fact that the industry has made computer graphics work a common occurrence in ALL cinema. This isn't 1999 you dense cunt. We have a wide variety of competition with CGI animation where studious like Illumination are making billion dollar returns on a shoestring budget. For Christ's sake, last year saw almost a dozen fully animated films.

>AHHH LELDDIT
kill yourself.

mm yea depends. i don't know how accurate estimates are but something new like how to train your dragon 3 cost less to make than something like emperor's new groove if you take in the inflation.

user, it doesn't take much training to add virtually hundreds of computer generated effects to a film. It does however, take a specialized training to learn a specific classical craft of hand drawn animation to pull off well.

I was genuinely surprised that it flopped. I saw a lot of trailers for it and thought it looked very good.
I even recall there being a lot of excitement over it being the first traditionally animated Disney movie in years with actual theater quality.

>but something new like how to train your dragon 3 cost less to make than something like emperor's new groove
Right, why don't you tell me why that is? Why don't you slowly explain to me why an entire global industry abandoned traditional animation? I'm dying to know, faggot. HMMMM, could it be...that it was cheaper and more cost-effective based on the returns?

Gee, I never heard of Shrek beating out Disney before and being nominated for a goddamn Oscar. Golly...

Shouldn't have called it "The Princess and the Frog" if they wanted boys to see it too.

Get woke go broke
We don't want niggers in our disney and we've told you cunts with our wallets.

>Mulan and Moana are two of the highest grossing Disney films
>both non-white
okay, /pol/tard.

Black Panther made over a billion dollars and black Mermaid is going to hit a billion too. Will you hang yourself when it happens?

>Mulan/moana
>Niggers

Okay mate.

black mermaid is going to flop.
Black panther was promoted as the greatest thing to ever happen to blacks, even tax payers were forced to give money to black panther so poor little nigglets could attend a showing. Nothing like black panther will ever happen again.

I watched it for the villian the fuck you talking about?

Moana is white now? I'm confused why you parce your retarded racist bullshit between really brown and really black? Aren't they all subhuman to you?

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yeah neither are Disney princesses fag and look for yourself they would rather make Ariel black then watch the orginal character that was pandered for them

>black mermaid is going to flop.
Screencap this for when you are wrong for the hundredth time.

>he cried about Ariel being black
which of these pathetic faggots is you? It's really comical how you don't belong here.

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>even tax payers were forced to give money to black panther so poor little nigglets could attend a showing. Nothing like black panther will ever happen again.
literally never happened. At all.

damn...

Not him but niggers are the truest subhuman race on Earth and everyone can generally agree with that, even niggers hate other niggers.
Polynesians and chinks don't even come close in comparison.

Imagine wasting dubs on a post like this. Saying that computer animation is easier than hand-drawn animation is comical. Both are very different but they're still equally as demanding in their own right. Go back to lurking, incel

Aladdin, Atlantis, Jungle Book and Esmeralda were all close enough.

>whites aren't subhuman at all though
>rallies with David Duke
>defends vehicular manslaughter
>commit the most rapes and racially charged hate crimes according to the FBI stats
>commit the most homeland terror of any extremist group in the entire history of the United States
sure thing, kid. I'm sure you'll have some ebin blog to "take down" things I said you dislike.

those were all me by the way anyways why didn't black people like The princess and the frog?

>whites aren't subhuman at all though
I agree.

None of them were African American.

>whites have literally the second lowest IQ distribution
>not subhuman
By your own /pol/nigger logic, we should be gassing whites. Why aren't we?

Computer animation is literally cheaper, why is this hard to wrap your head around?

They should have gotten the hint and stopped making movies with non-whites

>whites have literally the second lowest IQ distribution
Jews aren't white though.

Go back to being dead, Griffith.

You people aren't even remotely consistent with the things you believe; Jews have some of the highest IQ distributions, yet you hate them. Your typical western white is a point away from "subhuman" and you don't think they are a problem for the species?

It's like you're truly anti-science. To kill off low IQ whites in the billions would be a benefit to IQ distributions as a whole. So why do you not support what? What meme answer do you provide?

It's threads like these that make me second guess why I like animated movies. Animation fans are mostly middle-aged virgins who go on long rants about literally nothing. There's more to life than protecting ficitional things that have no effect on you as a person. Please grow up. Mods, do your job.

>Jews have some of the highest IQ distributions, yet you hate them.
I am Jewish though...
Why are you so angry?

>. To kill off low IQ whites in the billions would be a benefit to IQ distributions as a whole.
OK, start with yourself since you hate yourself so much.

>>people literally don't see it because of "muh black princess" and it performs poorly
I regret nothing

what the fuck is this lazy shit lmao

big budget my ass op

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I'm angry because your ideology is a dead fucking corpse that isn't consistent or holds up to scrutiny and yet you're likely underage, easily manipulated by propaganda and probably one of those faggot types who posts on stormnigger blogs. If you follow your ideology to it's logical conclusion, you should be advocating the genocide of western white Americans.

those are literal animations from earlier Disney films. It's an homage you stupid tard.

>I'm angry
you got owned, cuck

If your entire worldview is built on the idea that IQ is a monolith from which you derive a platitude, policy or belief from; then you should be advocating the absolute destruction of American whites. Specifically, white Americans aged 18 to 24, in the throngs.

Tell me why you aren't.

I'm in the higher percentile of IQ, are you? Show your results? Take the free MENSA test.

>If your entire worldview is built on the idea that IQ is a monolith from which you derive a platitude, policy or belief from; then you should be advocating the absolute destruction of American whites. Specifically, white Americans aged 18 to 24, in the throngs.
>Tell me why you aren't.

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That's not a response or answer though.

Are low IQ groups a net drain on human society or not?

>Trump's literal "personal friend" is David Duke
>tells American Congresswomen to "go back to their country" (which would be America)
Is this a debate now? That Trump is racist?

"racism" is literally a meme only aimed at whites to let themselves be replaced, invaded, raped and killed without protest.

>which would be America
Somalia*

>racism is a meme and not a real term
I'll repeat if you have some sort of literacy-based autism, we have a current President who told non-white Congresswomen to "go back" to their country, which is America. But he didn't know that, because he didn't look up where they were fucking from.

Oh, and the David Duke thing...

3 of the 4 Congresswomen are literally born in America you stupid retard.

>it's a "leftypolfag is so seething she feels the need to vent on a Yea Forums shitpost thread" episode
kek

>everyone who disagrees with the President is "leftypol"

>are literally born in America you stupid retard.
>are
>stupid retard
Can't make this brainlet ESL shit up.

That's not grammatically incorrect in that sentence? What are you even trying to say? Is this a type of stroke induced post?

>>everyone who disagrees with the President is "leftypol"

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>I grasp my own language this poorly

were*
And saying "stupid retard" is the same as saying "stupid nigger", it's a double negative.

>so absolutely irate you start samefagging
Just accept your loss, sweaty.

wew, lad. I don't have to change that to "were", the sentence is correct in context to the inflection, subject line and sentence structure.

Learn to English, faggot.

>everyone is the same

>Learn to English, faggot.

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Someone get this hot head out of here

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"are" is reference to the present tense of the conversation, as in "3 of the 4 Congresswomen ARE American (born)", not meaning past tense, not an incorrect structure. The context and inflection of the sentence do not imply that we are talking about the past tense of when they WERE born, many decades ago.

The sentence is literally not grammatically incorrect you fucking retarded incel.

>literally
>explicitely
>are

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I accept your concession then.

>when I can't argue, obfuscate the debate!
Must make you mad, to be named this hard for the faggot you always have been. How did Charlotsville 3.0 go for ya?

>can't go 5 minutes without thinking about food
>can't spell
>can't use English properly
>unironically thinks Somalia is in America
Thanks for the easy win, sweaty.

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And even she was taken from an old European fairytale. Christ.

Nobody cares that she was. Stop crying about fictional stories that are designed to be modified and retold over time.

>Charlotsville
We're reaching levels of illiteracy that shouldn't even be possible.

Another libtard throws in the towel. Chalk this victory up to the good guys.

you're bad at debating. I hope you know that.

America is white country, even presidents I. The 1920s would have speech’s like “..@
And in order to improve the lives of whites..”

Why aren't you advocating gassing whites if they are some of the lowest IQ distributions on the planet?

At no point in this entire thread have I earnestly replied to your batshit ranting, which should be abundantly clear but you're too autistic to notice. I'm just getting you riled up for my own amusement.

Thanks for the input, Muhammad.

>crying
your the one getting emotional that someone asked you a question

I will forever have fucking terrible memories about this movie
>originally planned to go see it with my friend and his wife along with a girl I was just friends with who had a bf
>when they get there to pick me up find out the girl brought her bf
>I have no way to get out of going
>stuck watching romantic animated movie with 2 couples and myself alone

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can you imagine how ebin it would be if you "earnestly" replied then?
>psh, like I'm not going to uh, try or anything, just know that I could
I was 13 once, user.

>no u
you're the one who cares about "muh sanctity of European folklore" like some sort of Animal Farm-tier propagandist and purity officer.

Maybe you're the issue?

>I was 13 once, user.
Yeah, last year.
You're seething so hard that you're STILL samefagging and replying to a blatant shitposter in a futile attempt to cobble together a "debate" to make yourself feel better. Pathetic.

Who cares about the nigger princess? You guys should be talking about Friend On The Other Side, the best Disney villain song.

Still not an argument

>Who cares about the nigger princess?
Nobody apparently, which is why it bombed.

Most of the songs were meh.
And the story was pretty meh.
And the characters were meh.
Outside of the villain, the movie was pretty meh.

>>people literally don't see it because of "muh black princess" and it performs poorly

Didn’t this movie drop at the same time as Avatar? It never stood a chance.