So what went wrong with this film...

Lex, in the wake of the battle with Zod and the terrorist attack on the senate, is contracted by the US government to make anti-kryptonian weapons. To do this, he says he'll need access to Zod's crashed ship and Zod's body, both of which he studies.

While Batman, blinded by his burning hate for Superman and desire to prove his crusade wasnt worthless, is being led around by Lex, Superman intervenes to stop him from robbing Lexcorp. As a reporter, he had learned of all the good Batman had done and that he only recently became more ruthless and violent, so Superman mercifully gives Batman the opportunity to just walk away and stop being Batman instead of turning him over to the cops. Batman refuses.

Batman makes kryptonite weapons and sets up a big trap for a final battle with him.

Lex captures Lois and Martha Kent and tells Superman to go kill Batman or else he'll kill Martha.

Superman goes to Batman to beg him to help him, but Batman immediately gets up in his grill so Superman responds to his might makes right attitude in kind while asking Batman to listen to him. Batman refuses to listen because he believes Superman to be alien and unconnected from humanity.

Batman basically wins the fight and is about to kill Superman. With his dying breath Superman begs Batman to save Martha (uses the first name since it gives him a clue on how to find her after he is dead, and if he just said 'mother' Batman would have assumed it was another alien). Batman thinks that Superman, somehow, knows his own mother's name and is freaked out.

Lois comes in and explains that it is Superman's mothers name. Batman, hearing that his mother had a normal human name and that Superman has a normal human girlfriend, is finally able to see Superman as just another person trying to do good with what he was given, just like Batman is.

They team up to defeat a genetic abomination created by Luthor from Zod's body, but Superman dies in the process.

The end.

No, you don't. Nobody could possibly understand the absolute genius of this movie except a small collective of shut ins.

OP literally says

>The plot was completely incoherent

Can you not read? That means he didn't understand it. I'm sorry incoherent is too big of a word for you stupid fucking cuck.

The Martha scene was great.

Everything about Batman's arc, where he is spiraling to the darkness has been building up to this moment. Out of the blue, he hears the name of his dead mother, of whose murder he dreams about every night to this day. And as such it triggers his childhood PTSD. And it doesn't just magically make him like Superman, it simply throws him off his game. He can't understand why Superman would mention his mother's name. And so he stops, and starts demanding for Clark to explain himself. His urge to murder has shifted to rage and confusion since he can't no longer understand the situation. It's only Lois' intervention that diffuses the situation when she explains Clark was begging him to save his mother even as he was about to die and that is what breaks the camels back, by making Bruce finally see Superman as a person for the first time. A man very similar to himself, rather than a strange otherworldly alien being he couldn't understand but could easily hate and conveniently project all his fears into. And that is why he can't kill him. Because all his blinding hatred, self-deception and lies have been stripped away, and he has to face the ugly truth: he was going to murder a man simply out of pure fear. He was going to be the very thing he has spent his whole life fighting against.

It's a complex, deeply character oriented scene that addresses everything Batman represents and how astray he had become from those values/

>the plot is completely incoherent
>no it isn't. here is the plot in bullet points to help you understand it
>lmao loser wtf i know what the plot is why are you even posting
The majority of people who criticize this movie are barely functioning retards who can't even figure out what it is about the movie they don't like.

Nothing. It's probably the best movie in the genre. It's the only superhero movie to make my top 10 of the decade and the only action movie to make my top 5.

compared to marvel films this one was a little bit more complex and had a couple of themes never seen in capeshit.

PS. You can ignore Wonder Woman since she literally does not matter to the plot.

It was as complex as a 2 peice puzzle.
It was horrible.

based

that's a calendar

>movies that only christfags love

2 piece puzzle? read above the user's explanation.

snyder made a film that was supposed to be 3 hours and the studio wanted a 2 or 2.5 hour film. most of the scenes were important to the plot. they cut out half an hour making the plot make less sense and character motives not being shown properly. the batman movie should’ve came out before this one so they didn’t have to introduce him in this taking up all that time

The theatrical cut really was terrible. The extended cut makes it a little better but it's way too long and can't save that last hour or so where they just fight a big CGI troll.
Ultimately the scripts for those DCEU movies were garbage. Dark broody Superman has to be one of the top 5 worst choices in the history of adapted something into a movie. Casting Facebookman as Lex Luthor was another bizarre choice that hurt this movie because his cringe-crazy performance does nothing to help you relate to the story.

I agree with this. I love the Ultimate Cut. It's the only version I watch.

Fight for the Snyder Cut. There's still hope!

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Guess I should also explain the last part to Lex's plan.

Basically when Superman goes to beg Batman for help Lex predicts three outcomes to prove his thesis that one cant be both all powerful and all good (not literally ALL powerful, but you know, as omnipotent as Superman).

The first outcome is that Batman kills Superman, proving that he is not all powerful.

Superman kills Batman, proving that he is not all good (it would be the first human Superman has killed, and the first being he killed that wasnt directly trying to kill another human).

Superman and Batman team up and are both killed by Doomsday (who Luthor would then kill with the kryptonite weapons he was contracted to make by the US govt).

Even if Superman and Batman never fight Doomsday, just unleashing him upon Metropolis (while denying any responsibility) and then destroying him with brand new Lexcorp Kryptonite Missiles would be great PR.

And it seems like Lex is right, at first, since Doomsday does indeed kill Superman proving that he is not all powerful. that is, until the final shot of the film.

Also Superman's death inspires Batman to try and make amends for the terrible things he did while he was trying to kill Superman (he had believed all the goons he killed would be worth it, since he would be saving countless lives by removing Superman) and to go on and create The Justice League.

Now thats for a real THE END.

this guy understands the word cuck though
it's what phase 4 5 of his capeshit brand have been leading up to and before that it's the genre of porn he watches nonstop

She matters. She was there because Lex wanted her nearby. She's his ace in the hole. If Superman had killed Bruce and died to Doomsday, Lex has his proof that the "alien" was always evil and an Amazonian champion with a kryptonite spear to deal with Doomsday. If Superman kills Bruce *and* Doomsday, Diana's his instrument of justice, forcing Superman to either leave the planet, go into hiding, or surrender himself for Bruce's murder.

Lex was angling to become Maxwell Lord, funding his *real* deterrent - the Justice League. It's why he was already designing logos for them. Notice whose files he *didn't* keep with the others? Bruce's and Clark's, because they had no future in Lex's plan.

mcu fags in a nutshell
neither can they explain what they like about their shitty movies

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Don't bother arguing with these people if they aren't even willing to discuss the movie.

Damn straight.

>who Luthor would then kill with the kryptonite weapons he was contracted to make by the US govt).
>Even if Superman and Batman never fight Doomsday, just unleashing him upon Metropolis (while denying any responsibility) and then destroying him with brand new Lexcorp Kryptonite Missiles would be great PR.
Literally fan fiction

Damn never thought of it that way, with the logo thing.
Fucking Snyder, ahead of all capeshitters being a capekinoer

>So what went wrong with this film?
absolutely nothing

>Seeing an user how supports the Snyder Cut movement.

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What was his plan if Diana killed doomsday with the spear?

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Absolutely nothing. It was simply way overblown by Zack Snyder, he had complete creative control over it. It wasn't until this movie was released that WB doubted Snyder's direction, what you get is what meant to be good.

I don't get why people fixate on "plot holes". Its a serviceable action plot and other movies have gotten away with worse.

My problem was with the tone- Superman gets built up for two movies as this cold, untouchable alien but we're supposed to be sad when he dies? Batman is portrayed as a ruthless killer, but hes our best hope?

Also, stopping the movie halfway through to show trailers for future movies.

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Here's one for you:

Lex spends the entire story taunting people with information. Sometimes he does it by giving them cryptic phrases they don't have the proper context to understand, other times, it's the details he *omits* that are the clues. Ultimately, he wants people to only "get it" when they're too screwed to do anything about it. That's what he does to Senator Finch(count how many times he references chairs in their conversation before the bombing), but when he speaks to Superman, he's working on a completely different level.

When he starts speaking to Supes, he begins by referencing a short list of gods we've seen Supes pictured as over the course of both movies, but he leaves the most obvious one out - Christ. He then goes on to paraphrase the Epicurean Dilemma, but he leaves one attribute of the godhead out - omniscience.

What Lex leaves out is the thing he wants to be(humanity's savior) and the god-like attribute he already believes he has(all-knowing).

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This scene fucking moved me.

No one is arguing.

It's genuinely upsetting to think about how much we lost. Even if we get the Snyder Cut, which is a longshot in and of itself, we'll never get to see JL2 and the finale.

youtube.com/watch?v=M10iKpORvKA
We'll never get to see what these films were building towards.

>Superman gets built up for two movies as this cold, untouchable alien

No he isn't. He is shown to be the exact opposite. If anything he cares too much about people.

Superman's still a murderer in that scenario. That was where his plan went awry. He anticipated there being a conclusive victor to the fight he orchestrated. If Bruce had won, Bruce would also be a murderer, but also just one more tragic victim of Doomsday's rampage.

>Batman is portrayed as a ruthless killer, but hes our best hope?

Never does the movie say he is our best hope. I think you have a mental disablity.

>dat Asian
>KRYPTO'D.COM

This site has fucking ruined me.

This scene is so good. Superman's sacrifice is handled so well in this film. It serves as the perfect resolution to both Batman and Superman's character arcs, and everything that was going to come after BvS would have been built on his sacrifice. I don't understand why people complain that it isn't a 1:1 adaptation of Death of Superman (which is a boring story and was a shitty marketing stunt).

>Superman gets built up for two movies as this cold, untouchable alien
I think you may have watched a different set of movies by accident.

>but he leaves the most obvious one out - Christ.
He literally ends the list with Jehovah.

Judging by this thread, this movie really is a pleb filter.

The ultimate cut is actually decent. It actually fleshes out Superman’s motive. Batman scenes are kino. Aging man taking on a god to make sure his life wasn’t meaningless is pure kino.

Superman was an illegal alien, go figure

>So what went wrong with this film?
Long, boring, ponderous. Poor character exposition and development. Blue, every fucking thing in the movie was blue.
No Commissioner gordon, shit superman did made no sense.

You really should have watched the Ultimate Edition

based and pill pilled
by definition, he'd be an actual refugee
true brainlet

What was up with this scene?

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Straight from God’s among us.

Joker tricks the Superman into killing Louis Lane sending him psychotic and turning on the world to goven it with an steel fist.

Superman is faster than the Flash.

I didn't care much. I had not watched any Batman or Superman movies before watching this one. It was fine to see them together I guess

Nothing. It's perfect (the ultimate edition that is).

It was another thing they fixed in the UE. The theatrical version of the scene was pretty retarded

watch the No Justice fan cut

Very well said.

Now it makes sense.

its a shit movie

>its a shit movie

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Zack Snyder is the only good directors that actually went and made superheroes movies good and epic, no cash grabber movies as Patti Jenkins, James Wan, David Sandberg and every mcu movie did.
Snyder is the man! He did what every other directors doesn't have the balls to do, making superheroes realistic and precisely how the world would see them and makes you think at the real world.
And the proof is that Patti jenkins, James wan, David Sanberg destroyed this concept in favor of lighthearted movies that leave you nothing.
It was WB that destroyed Snyder's vision and destroyed the only thing in the universe that would have made people care about superheroes and how the world really is. Now thanks to WB we have cash grabber and infantilized lighthearted superhero family movies forever.

Snyder is a music video director who can't form a well paced plot.
desu the film feels like it should be shorter. Cut out the detective lois subplot.

No, everything there was in that movie should have been longer. It's WB fault if they didn't make it 3 epic hours long

>notice his files

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Because Snyder was being realistic.

Look at Marvel flicks, if they were trying the same realism Iron Man would be considered a terrorist, Captain America a relic of a bygone era that no one genuinely likes, Hulk and Thor are walking talking WMDs that need to be detained, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver would be societal lepers, Black Panther would be seen as a fucking nutcase, and Ant Man would be by and large reviled as a criminal.

I didn't feel any sympathy for either batman or superman. Thats my problem with this movie.

You don't, they're what a realistic flying stronk man would act like in real life.
That's what a man that is woke all night would act like, that's what the dceu should be, gritty and realistic and with heroes that you choose if you want to relate with them

>Hulk is a walking talking WMDs that need to be detained,
They address this throughout Age of Ultron. The reason Hulk was in space in Thor Ragnarok was because the world governments and people in S.H.I.E.L.D. exiled him into space away from Earth.
>Scarlet Witch would be a societal leper,
She is, especially in AoU when she indirectly kills a bunch of Wakandans.

There was a time above...a time before Patty Jenkins, James Wans and David Sandberg ...there were perfect things Zack Snyder did...diamond absolutes. But things fall...Patty Jenkins, James Wans and David Sandberg happened on earth. And what falls...is fallen. In the dream, it took me to the light. A beautiful lie is dreaming that Patty Jenkins, James Wans and David Sandberg didn't ruined the DCEU.

>They address this throughout Age of Ultron. The reason Hulk was in space in Thor Ragnarok was because the world governments and people in S.H.I.E.L.D. exiled him into space away from Earth.
What the fuck are you talking about? He used a ship to go away by his own, Hulk personally wanted to don't turn back, he left Black Widow and the other Avengers.

>She is, especially in AoU when she indirectly kills a bunch of Wakandans.
But after they made her a goth cinnamon roll, she should be an anti-social crazy emo

Iron Man would be considered a terrorist, Captain America a relic of a bygone era that no one genuinely likes, Thor a walking talking WMDs that need to be detained, Black Panther would be seen as a fucking nutcase, and Ant Man would be by and large reviled as a criminal.

>He used a ship to go away by his own, Hulk personally wanted to don't turn back, he left Black Widow and the other Avengers.
What the fuck are YOU talking about?
Black Widow is literally holding back tears in the Queen Ship video message because she was the one who lured him into orbit to be jettisoned into space. Hulk didn't go to Sakaar on his own volition, he didn't even know how he ended up there beyond crashing in the Queen Ship.

>2 seconds search on wikipedia
In the aftermath, the Hulk, unwilling to endanger Romanoff by being with her, departs in a Quinjet, while Vision confronts and seemingly destroys Ultron's last remaining body.

Jehovah is God, the Father, an extremely Old Testament name for the God of the Old Covenant. Christ is the Son and the Savior, the one come to champion mankind and redeem us, fulfilling the Law in the process, hence “New Testament.” Jehovah is a wrathful deity who isn’t exactly big on forgiveness. Jehovah is not the Christ.

Without question.

Holy trinity

>wikipedia
Literally anyone can edit it, you might as well cite 9gag as your source.

Then watch the movie yourself

I don't watch capeshit, retard.

I completely agree.

This will never not make me laugh, and I’ll never believe it was anything but on purpose. Snyder is /ourdirector/.

Correct. They are all distinct manifestations of the godhead - Father, Son, And Holy Spirit.

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And how can you make that statement that Hulk didn't go to Skaar on his own then?

OP here, I watched the theatrical cut. I'd read many times on Yea Forums that the "Snyder cut" had never been released, so I assumed there was only one version. What's the difference between the extended cut and the Snyder cut?

>They are all distinct manifestations of the godhead - Father, Son, And Holy Spirit.

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How the fuck can we live in the timeline where Zack Snyder fully directed JL part 1 2 and 3 without WB to corrupt it?

Because I'm not a fake fan like you so I read the books instead.

Oh never mind, after reading the thread it looks like the Snyder cut is in reference to the unreleased JL extended cut and not BvS.

This.........this is Yea Forums go back to Yea Forums
We're talking about the mcu

I don't read comic books or watch capeshit cartoons either, retard. I am talking about the MCUEU.

The first half of the movie is literally useless.

I thank the anons here for helping me see the light.
After watching the theatrical version I was pretty disappointed, but anons here convinced me to watch the ultimate version.
BvS is one of the best capekino there is.

>Marvel cinematic universe extended universe?
That's not the Dc Movies

You're a fucking idiot and a fake fan.

>Martha scene bad
What's it like being a pleb I imagine you are blissful in your ignorance

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I fucking stan Zack Snyder's dceu.
You're a fake fan if you don't support him

You're the marvelfag trying to destroy his achievements.

I'm a real believer that know what a genius Zack Snyder is and how bad the Snyderless DCEU is

jesus DCucks still riding the bvs meme, move on you fucking retards DC lost

The terrible jew actor Jessie Eisenberg