In almost every movie/TV show I've ever seen that features the Anglo-Saxons as a group, they're always shown as incompetent idiots/cowards.
The Last Kingdom and Vikings are both pretty good examples. In the Last Kingdom especially they are shown as totally incompetent, not even knowing how to form a shieldwall until someone shows them, and also as genuinely pathetic cowards who get slaughtered like little beta bitches by the Danes.
I can only assume it's the writers' way of making the Vikings seem more "badass" without having to actually show any conspicuous acts of bravery, like making all other characters stupid in order to make someone seem intelligent.
In fact, it actually serves to make the Vikings look less impressive because they're not put up against an actual foe, just a bunch of pansy-ass nerds who could get beat out by anyone.
My guess would be that the writers at the BBC are also too dumb to appreciate the difference between moral goodness and weakness and therefore everyone is either a coward or a vicious evil prick. I see this in other shows too.
The Jews and the self-loathing British Left *hate* the English, especially anything that might imply they have any sort of traditions or heritage worth saving, let alone ones that inspired and uplifted the planet. Better to jerk off the long-dead and utterly irrelevant vikings.
William Bailey
But the Anglo Saxons constantly bitch out the Danes in the Last Kingdom. Uhtred is a Saxon by blood and is the best warrior
Easton Garcia
Everybody hates the english lel.
Carson Parker
art imitates life
Liam Hernandez
During that era they were busy getting the shit kicked out of them
I started listening to the Saxon Stories books by Cornwell. They're very good but Cornwell does have a visceral dislike for Christians since his adoptive parents were part of a weird Christian sect.
Logan Barnes
the modern english maybe but the empire saved was one of the greatest things humanity ever had happen to it.
Noah Diaz
>makes the best characters christian >dislikes christians ???
Kayden Murphy
>crated america >defeated the good guys in world war 1 lets be honest here, they are responsible for everything that went wrong in europe
Evan Harris
Cornwell's feelings on Alfred's pious Christianity are voiced through Uhtred (who refuses conversion and remains a pagan)
King Alfred arrived about 75 years after King Offa, so they're showing a society in transition ... leaving diversity behind and becoming very Christian.
Samuel Ramirez
I want an adaption based on GK Chesterton's epic poem Ballad of the White Horse
Nathan Foster
we don't see a lot of Norman films, but Becket, Macbeth and Hamlet all take place in that transitory period.
Daniel Ross
>loefric >pussy lol what?
Luke Adams
You already nailed it the vikings are the draw for the mainstream audience because they're essentially a cultural meme.
>cultural meme Are the Vikings really though? Even in our time?
Owen Smith
Absolutely, they're held in the same spergy regard as samurai and ninjas.
Josiah Morris
>thinking Leofric is a pussy
fucking arseling
Easton Davis
any film showing samurai as the fags they were? Still good warriors, but fags nonetheless.
Dylan Baker
Especially in our times user, historical revisionists love using them to push the narrative that ancient Europeans shared our modern """values""". Not really, you'll be hard pressed to find films that show them as mounted archers using peasants as meat shields. Even the best Samurai films show them as noble stoic swordsman despite that being a pretty modern viewpoint and completely ahistorical.
The period of the Late-Viking and Norman invasion was the decline of Anglo civilisation, we'd become soft and corrupt degenerates (like the Visigoths had in Spain.) See the sermons of Bishop Wulfstan of London to the English in 1014, he describes the spirit of the age that would end in the Norman invasion and loss of Anglo autonomy for hundreds of years: pastebin.com/rNPRy83j
Anglos were selling eachother as slaves and gangraping their daughters, a degenerate age that would soon collapse and be conquered from without: >And too many Christian men have been sold out of this land, now for a long time, and all this is entirely hateful to God, let him believe it who will. Also we know well where this crime has occurred, and it is shameful to speak of that which has happened too widely. And it is terrible to know what too many do often, those who for a while carry out a miserable deed, who contribute together and buy a woman as a joint purchase between them and practice foul sin with that one woman, one after another, and each after the other like dogs that care not about filth, and then for a price they sell a creature of God -- His own purchase that He bought at a great cost -- into the power of enemies. Also we know well where the crime has occurred such that the father has sold his son for a price, and the son his mother, and one brother has sold the other into the power of foreigners, and out of this nation. All of those are great and terrible deeds, let him understand it who will. And yet what is injuring this nation is still greater and manifold: many are forsworn and greatly perjured and more vows are broken time and again, and it is clear to this people that God's anger violently oppresses us, let him know it who can.
Nolan Martin
Responding "a cute" everytime a women graces your screen is the sign of a virgin sorry to tell you m8.
Carson Rodriguez
How can christcuck anglos even compete against the CHAD Mediterranean pagan?
Europa needs to be pagan again and remove all abrahamic religions
britons are cucks, the most notable anglo mythology is king arthur and the main protagonist gets cucked by a foreign french bull
Juan Rodriguez
Alas the misery and alas the public shame that the English now have, entirely through God's anger. Often two sailors, or three for a while, drive the droves of Christian men from sea to sea -- out through this nation, huddled together, as a public shame for us all, if we could seriously and properly know any shame. But all the insult that we often suffer, we repay by honoring those who insult us. We pay them continually and they humiliate us daily; they ravage and they burn, plunder and rob and carry to the ship; and lo! what else is there in all these happenings except Gods anger clear and evident over this nation?
It is no wonder that there is mishap among us: because we know full well that now for many years men have too often not cared what they did by word or deed; but this nation, as it may appear, has become very corrupt through manifold sins and through many misdeeds: through murder and through evil deeds, through avarice and through greed, through stealing and through robbery, through man-selling and through heathen vices, through betrayals and through frauds, through breaches of law and through deceit, through attacks on kinsmen and through manslaughter, through injury of men in holy orders and through adultery, through incest and through various fornications. And also, far and wide, as we said before, more than should be are lost and perjured through the breaking of oaths and through violations of pledges, and through various lies; and non-observances of church feasts and fasts widely occur time and again.
Landon Cook
>no cute anglo curator gf
Justin Perry
Well yeah it took some 200+ years before the Anglo-Saxons truly embraced Christianity. Back in the 6th century these things took time, and by Alfred's reign it was full-on muh Roman Catholicism.
Here in the country, as it may appear, too many are sorely wounded by the stains of sin. Here there are, as we said before, manslayers and murderers of their kinsmen, and murderers of priests and persecutors of monasteries, and traitors and notorious apostates, and here there are perjurers and murderers, and here there are injurers of men in holy orders and adulterers, and people greatly corrupted through incest and through various fornications, and here there are harlots and infanticides and many foul adulterous fornicators, and here there are witches and sorceresses, and here there are robbers and plunderers and pilferers and thieves, and injurers of the people and pledge-breakers and treaty-breakers, and, in short, a countless number of all crimes and misdeeds. And we are not at all ashamed of it, but we are greatly ashamed to begin the remedy just as the books teach, and that is evident in this wretched and corrupt nation.
Luke Reyes
Leftists and jews in the media hate them for being too badass and successful.
William Garcia
Why is she fighting in battles again? Women didn't fight in the 800s or nearly at all throughout human history.
Elijah Perry
Yeah, you're both fucking idiots.
Ethan Jenkins
This is post-Aldred, in 1014 AD in the lead up to the Anglo collapse and conquest by the Normans. Alfred was a rise in our civilisation, but there was a decline and collapse afterwords that would see the Old Anglish destroyed. A lesson for today.
oh good it's another retard thread that glosses over the disunity among the english that was inevitable under the heptarchy. /pol/tard virtue signaling==SERIOUS BUSINESS
Isaiah Bailey
Ivanhoe shows Saxons as strong
Hudson Thompson
Looks like we have a Kingdom of the Jutes/Kentish in our midst. Preach it, my brother.
Because we got successfully conquered ONCE, nevermind that we fucking BEAT the Vikganz snownigs in the end just because some mixed breed ended up being the compromise candidate 300 years later we must all be effeminate Gallic fucks. Excuse I need to take out my rage on something.
Christian Nguyen
bitch all your race ever did was hiding on a shitty island
Nicholas Reed
Conquered cuck mad.
Blake Baker
>was hiding on a shitty island
Considering they created the largest empire in history as well as kickstarted and exported the Industrial Revolution/the Modern World I'm sure they didn't do much hiding. Retard.
Jayden Reed
descendant of pussies
ruling through "soft power" ain't ruling fag
Jeremiah Jones
>as he types in English
What a cuck lmao.
Nathan Sanchez
obviously the most jew like language would prevail
HEIL HITLER
Asher Carter
Saxons had got fat and lazy after a few centuries of post Romano-British subduing, and the fyrd system was caught off guard by the random boats of chavs that suddenly appear out of the mist.
Plus I guess you need a bit of movie magic, like when the protagonist always gets wounded first.
Samuel Scott
You just called yourself a pussy due to your unpure bloodlines from my ancestors killing your grandfathers and raping your grandmothers. Like he said, conquered cuck mad.
>The most Jew like language That would imply Hebrew or another semitic language you brainlet. And saying English is Jew-like would mean Hitler's language of German is too since they are both West Germanic languages. And yet you're still typing in it LMAO
Ian Green
Christianity made the west a superpower.
Luke Lee
King Arthur is welsh mythology.
Daniel White
Don't historian's believe a figure named Author existed though beyond myth?
Austin Long
The whole genocide of their entire nobility at Norman hands may have something to do with it. You know. Just a thought. Literally their are more Celts left in the nobility than Anglos.
Landon Russell
So I notice.
Lincoln Thomas
Chainmail literally didn’t exist then.
Joseph Morgan
king Arthur 2004 portrayed the Saxons how the last kingdom portrays the Danes
Luis Rivera
Chainmail was widespread before Rome had even fallen.
Dylan King
That is mail and mail existed long before the 8th and 9th century. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorica_hamata Big difference between mail and chain mail.
I love the old Christian writers, they didn't have brevity on their side but man they can really elaborate wonderfully.
James Garcia
There are many conquerors considered good though? Isn't Cnut considered one of England's better kings? Then you have all those people still worshiping Rome and Napoleon.
Blake White
No such thing as a "anglo-norman" unless you want to invent words. The Anglos migrated with the Saxons and Jutes, some 400 years before the Norman conquest. They created the kingdoms of Northumbria, Mercia and East Anglia, which all later became a part of the Danelaug. The Saxons had arguably had a larger impact since Wessex (west saxons) ended up defeating the danes and uniting modern England (until the Jelling/Knutlinga dynasty came along).
Those shows are pure fiction and need their cardboard narrative of good/bad guys, struggle to overcome great odds and all that nonsense. Easiest way to do that is to depict the anglo-saxons as a bunch of retards
This Anglo-Saxon identity was viewed as low class and shameful thanks to the Norman Conquest. Englishness didn’t really assert itself as a source of pride until after the Plantagenets were overthrown and the Tudors founded England to be a great nation without French landholdings.
Christian Rodriguez
Fuck anglos Briton and Celt chads rise up
Nathan Sanders
Harakiri. The original one, not the shitty remake.
Lincoln Long
Do you literally know nothing about Edward I?
Michael Wood
Very much. He committed ethnic cleansing in northern England and oppressed a people who didn’t speak the Norman dialect nor wanted him as king.
It really makes me chuckle whenever I see a film set in medieval England and showcasing “English” knights when the nobility was dominated by Normans. The Anglo-Saxon language was viewed as gutter speak and few (if any) Anglo-Saxons remained as nobles. Not to mention the language of court between 1066 and 1453 was French based.
Jaxon Martinez
sexy cocks
Jaxson Kelly
Yes Edward I addressed Parliament in English and promoted some Anglo-Saxons in government. He was still a member of the Plantagenet dynasty and descended from William the Bastard. It still doesn’t mean that the English weren’t treated as nothing more than serfs. He only admitted a few tokens as a sop to English peasantry.
Wasn't the whole point of Magna Carta to unfrench England? France kept their all-powerful Kings and it fucked them hard in 1788.
Isaiah Mitchell
He founded the modern term for Englishness, he was the first "English king" you fucking drooling retard.
Ian Myers
Come on lads AND DID THOSE FEEEEEEEEET IN ANCIENT TIMES!!!
Kayden Mitchell
>There's a film about the rise of Alfred the great form 1969 wasn't it complete shit?
Lucas Reed
> At William's funeral, his body apparently burst open. As the priests tried to put William in the stone coffin, it was too small for his obese form. So, they had to push his body down and they pushed down too hard on the abdomen, which was where he had been fatally injured at the Battle of Mantes. The smell from the body explosion was unpleasant, so people ran to escape the smell.
It had it's good moments and battle scenes but yeah it was low budget.
Dominic Allen
Magna Carta was trying to rein in absolutism with foundations in English law but it only benefited the aristocracy.
I’m well aware that Edward was the 1st post-Conquest king who bore an English name thanks to his father who was an admirer of Edward the Confessor. But his idea of “Englishness” was a reaction to the Plantagenets losing Normandy, Aquitaine and other lands in France thanks to the mismanagement of Richard and John. All that was left was a coastal strip of Gascony. The Norman nobles who lost their ancestral lands in France were forced to view England as their home. But it didn’t benefit the vast majority of Anglo-Saxons other than their feudal lords starting to speak Middle English so their subjects could at least understand them.
John Jenkins
And you're a fucking jew whose butthurt that edward kicked out you slimy fucks lmao
Ian Phillips
They seemed to be fine when they had a smart king.
The kingdom was almost entirely destroyed. The King had no lands, no army, practically nothing aside for a few who stuck around him. That is historical fact. There's plenty of flaws with the show, but their portrayal of the state of Englishmen at the time isn't really one of them.
Daniel Anderson
Was Edward the Confessor a bad king?
Christopher Baker
He was a limp-wristed fuckwit who allowed the Normans and House Godwin to make power plays and didn’t even properly name his grand-nephew as his legitimate heir. The brutality of the Norman Conquest is partly because of his ineptitude.
Sebastian Lee
The Church loved him for his piety and the generosity he showed it. He'd have been a better prelate.
Liam Jones
Ngubu scores!!
Julian Smith
>In almost every movie/TV show I've ever seen that features the Anglo-Saxons as a group, they're always shown as incompetent idiots/cowards. Watch more movies then. Zulu for one.
Robert Bennett
>grand-nephew >legitimate heir What? No sons?
Carson Green
Because Brits are a bunch of pathetic faggots. Nords were literal Snowniggers and Central Euros were backstabbing Barbarians. The Western world owes everything to Ancient Greece, Rome and then the Eastern Roman Empire/Byzantium. The only reason Western Europe took over around the 1500s, is because they were backstabbing cunts that left Eastern Europe fend off the entire East, all the while attacking them themselves.
Anglo culture was wiped out by the Normans. Modern Anglos are mutts with a semitic mindset.
Robert Lee
>Anglo culture was wiped out by the Normans. Could someone give me the run down on why the Normans/Normandy were French yet afterwards the "English" still saw themselves as a different people than the true mainland French?
Jose Hughes
>around the 1500s Europe was in the hands of the Western Europeans from 476 AD lmao. Go stroke your Byzantine obsession elsewhere, they were a weak successor state in freefall for 1000 years before someone finally put them out of their misery.
Because the Normans didnt see themselves as French. They were basically mercenaries sworn to the French because of the land they were given.
Dominic Cruz
norman conquest lead to liberal democracy which fused with capitalism through anglicanism and judaism to create the united states to become hedonist globohome mass culture
Christopher Stewart
jog on Sancho
Joseph Phillips
>england was conquered by the french >to this day, england's royal family they still worship so much, is of french blood
>The Jews and the self-loathing British Left *hate* the English, especially anything that might imply they have any sort of traditions or heritage worth saving
This is true.
Joshua Gray
>Still of French blood Unless you're counting the Franks then no
>testing to see if his son had the sands to be his successor You said it yourself though, if he really had so little time left then there was no where he could find another successor for him when he died. He should have gone full Edward from the moment he realized he was dead in a year.
Oh look, it's a frog who thinks vikings and their offshoots were french. How adorable. A common misconception among frogs of course, but not acceptable all the same.
Colton Bailey
>The Normans are French Imagine being this much of a brainlet
Isaiah Rodriguez
>conspicupus acts of bravery You're obviously right they should just do that, imagine how realistic seeming it would be if these stoic Anglos were really confident in their well-made rigid defense wall, and were satisfied to stay put as per their training and orders, but then some wild fucker unironically charges to his death beyond all logic, causing the surprised line to hesitate as the rest of the vikings rolled in on them. Seems like it might even be thematic as to the difference in cultures.
Juan Sullivan
>they spoke a butchered version of french, that means they were french
Guess that's why France is nigger central these days.
Parker Brown
>that's actually wrong? Yes. England was ruled by Anglo-Saxon tribes (later kingdom) from about 450 to the Norman Conquest of 1066. From that point onwards, every single """English""" King or Queen was of French descent, all the way up to today. The last Anglo-Saxon King ever was Harold Godwinson, nearly a millennium ago.
The Royal Family Britbongs worship are FRENCH.
Connor Martin
>i always thought the british royal family was of german decent. that's actually wrong?
William the Conquerer put in a Norman dynasty. The kings were a Anglo/Norman/French for hundreds of years. They eventually lost all their land in France. The end of the Wars of the Roses resulted in the crown passing to Henry Tudor, whose family was Welsh. The nobility was pretty well Anglicised by then. Then Elizabeth I died without a direct heir and the heir, so the crown passed to King James VI of Scotland. His line held it for over 100 years, but then it passed to the last Protestant female Stuart, who died without heir. Her husband William III (from the Netherlands) married some other woman, he died, she died, and then the crown was given to a family ruling Hanover, Germany. The real name of the current royal family was Saxe-Cobourg Gotha. They renamed themselves after Windsor Castle during WWI.
Kayden Kelly
>vikings Hey retard, William the Conqueror didn't descend from Cnut, or any viking.
He wasn't descended from William, that line ended after just 70 years when Henry I died leaving no heirs. Edward is also an English name showing that the Plantagenets quickly embraced Anglo culture.
Cameron Jackson
>Oh look, it's a frog who thinks vikings and their offshoots were french. How adorable. >A common misconception among frogs of course, but not acceptable all the same.
The Norse didn't bring all sorts of women when they landed in Normandy. They mixed into the local population over the source of hundreds of years.
Easton Robinson
then why did the English court speak French well into the 18th century?
>spend all your time dicking around Germany and France >attack the ERE all the time >initiate the Schism >WE WUZ TRVE SUCCEΣΣΟRΣ >crusades you >backstabs you >chills as you fight off invaders >"why you become so small, bro"
>Rollo's contingents from Scandinavia who raided and ultimately settled Normandy and parts of the European Atlantic coast included Danes, Norwegians, Norse–Gaels, Orkney Vikings, possibly Swedes, and Anglo-Danes from the English Danelaw territory which earlier came under Norse control in the early 11th century.
they were scandinavians who mixed with the french.
Greatest thing for English and English only. Everyone else hated your oppressive guts.
Henry Allen
>Modern France was the same 1000 years ago Frog cope
Jaxon Gonzalez
pretty true. there are legitimate reasons to hate the British but people take it to the extent of never giving the country any credit ever for any part of its history no matter how far back because a lot of people are STILL seething over their empire colonizing their ancestors.
Benjamin Lewis
I think you're the one that needs to cope. All your royal courts literally spoke French for over 500 years. From 1066-onwards, England was French clay.
Aaron White
French had been supplanted as the language of the English court following the War of the Roses. >19th Century
>The last Anglo-Saxon King ever was Harold Godwinson, nearly a millennium ago I've only recently got into reading history books as an adult and I was surprised to discover this. Still interesting as fuck though.
Daniel Green
It serves to make the Vikings look more romantic and unique if you portray their opponents as unable to comprehend what they're up against. The show Vikings also did this with the Franks, even though the French were arguably the strongest force in Europe that didn't include the Byzantine Empire, at that time (I know historically Paris was sacked, but who was eventually absorbed into who, now?) I'm personally more annoyed when these shows go out of their way to create grand distinctions between the Anglo-Saxons and the Vikings, who had similar cultures and languages (which is why the Danes were able to so easily settle in England to begin with), something even contemporary writers at the time pointed out. The key differential between them was, of course, religion.
The actual period where the West Saxons DO completely destroy the Vikings, reverse the Danelaw and then expel them for the next two centuries isn't interesting because it's no longer the "Viking period", as far as regular people are concerned. I think people find the idea of a Christian state overcoming a pagan one less interesting, for some reason. You're not seeing the stuff happening on the continent where the Holy Roman Empire is a major threat Scandinavia from the South if they don't Christianize.
We do this a lot in history. We focus on the battles in WWI and WWII during a period where the conflict looks unfortunate for one side (normally the Entente/Allies), and not so much the period where they actually... Ya know, win.
Josiah Young
I am wrong only to the extent that you completely misrepresented my initial post so as to have something to reply. I said they spoke French, not that French was the lingua Franca up until the 18c. But hey, a brit being a dishonest cunt, what do you know.
The Normans were not French, and did not see themselves as French (Franks, a Germanic tribe that invaded the modern day territory of France and pushed away or bred out the Gauls). Genetically, they were Gauls mixed with Nords (vikings settled there), hence the name Nor-man (North Man).
Jaxon Hughes
Okay Lindy
Nolan Clark
because in English culture it is considered especially vulgar to "big yourself up". I know that this would be hard to understand for a yank or eurotrash but that's the way it is.
Michael Wright
Now he's going to be saying Charlemagne was French
Ayden Harris
>English culture English culture is being conquered.
Michael Lewis
actually the normans were a minority vikings ruling over the franks. they did see themselves as french and adopted their customs and religion.
Charles Cook
>big yourself up Spot the wog
Cameron Brooks
ever heard of the british empire faggot. largest empire ever with colonies all over the world? uneducated yank obviously.
John Harris
Why does Hollywood insist on depicting Anglo-Saxons and the Vikings with cavalry? They specifically didn't use cavalry, their only military usage of horses was scouting and transportation, they would dismount before combat. Which is a part of the reason why Norman cavalry did so much damage in Hastings.
Charles Phillips
Islam will make Britain great again
Levi Kelly
>british empire Which is really a French empire since 1066.
Isaiah Roberts
You should eat less frogs Pierre it’s bad for your brain
Anthony Peterson
Why are you so upset? Does it pain you to admit you were ruled by Normans and French for so long?
>that guy >egyptian so DNA tests can't be trusted, is what this is telling me
Jace Morales
the english upper class is still mostly from norman decent but on average english are still genetically 2/3rds "celtic".
Josiah Taylor
Dunning Kruger
Aaron Lopez
Probably to represent that she actually did do this (Not fighting, but was present on the battlefield, and made sure she was visible to her troops.) Same way Alfred probably never actually went hand to hand combat post-Ethenden, but still was on the battlefield.
Nolan Flores
they said it was a connection 73000 years back so it must be he has the same haplogroup as a pharaoh. going back not even that far if you look at r1b which is the majority in western europe they all share an ancestor with african groups who are also r1b (r1b v-88).
Dominic Bailey
>haplautist opinion discarded and filtered.
Isaiah Barnes
the norman conquest wasn't a migration, like the angles, saxons or danes (in northern England) had been. The normans replaced the nobility, but the majority of commoners remained anglo-saxon. Which is why the classes spoke different languages.
Hollywood kikes love niggers and vikings are just white-skinned niggers simple as
Brandon Wilson
>invaded Who the fuck cares about invasions? You sure as fuck didn't conquer much. Your biggest coup, the USA, was just doing a flat track bully job on some indians. Once some proper civilization developed there, they won their independence easily.
Brayden Thomas
Meanwhile the bongs were LITERALLY CONQUERED BY THE FRENCH, and the dynasty has survived to this day. 0 anglo-saxon kings or queens for nearly 1000 years. There will sooner be a black or muslim king/queen in england than another anglo-saxon.
England will forever be remembered as the land conquered by the French.
Xavier Lee
this
Mitchell Heisman
Daniel Taylor
MUH REPRESENTATION
Carson Anderson
>ruler of small parochial kingdom makes copies of trusted, widely-circulated currency from the largest, most powerful state in the Western world
Wow cool I guess this means we should open our borders and flood our country with Pakistanis
Gabriel Powell
Je--ahh fuck it
Henry Jenkins
>LITERALLY CONQUERED Bismarck should've finished you off
Jaxon Martin
> just a bunch of pansy-ass nerds who could get beat out by anyone.
Literally every frenchman except parisians spoke a butchered version of french back then. There was no unified french language, just a bunch of regional dialects.
Jason Walker
>all the way up to today Retard
Christian Wood
>India
Mason Roberts
I will never get over the fact how Alfreds wife has this insane body, she looks so weird in the show.
Chase Gutierrez
The ruling house today is essentially a renamed german one though. Which is pretty hilarious.
Joseph Ortiz
Congratulations, you colonized a country that to this day, still doesn't know how to poo in the loo. Absolutely remarkable.
