Why was he so popular when compared to the other Star Trek captains?

He’s the reddit “muh classy enlightened gentleman” choice. Kirk, Sisko and Archer were the real men of Star Trek captains

kirk was too chad, picard was too faggy, janeway was too militant, and archer was too bland.
for me, it's sisko, the happy middle ground

Lads, I see Star Trek constantly characterized as a Left-wing utopia, but I believe it may in fact be far more Conservative than Progressive (I will jold that it is indeed more Liberal than Conservative but Liberalism is increasingly being forced out of the conversation by Progressivism). If we use moral foundation theory I believe it is possible to demonstrate this thesis.

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(Cont.)
The six moral foundations are: Care, Fairness, Loyalty, Authority, Sanctity, and Liberty. Conservatism considers all six to be essential to a good and just society while Progressivism only considers the second (Fairness) as essential.
I believe that the society presented in Star Trek, specifically the Federation, honors all six foundations.

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>jold
wtf is that

(Cont.)
1. Care
All Federation citizens are provided for in every way through unlimited energy and replication technology. Any medical ailment or condition is treatable through advanced medical technology.
2. Fairness
Federation citizens are judged on their merits and are not judged on immutable characteristics such as biological sex or species. Accommodations may be made but all citizens are expected to contribute equally.
3. Loyalty
Federation members are expected to be loyal to the Federation and obey its laws. Worlds that do not wish to do so are not afforded the benefits and protections given to members.
4. Authority
The laws of the Federation are sacred, with mandates such as the Prime Directive being the best example. This ties directly to the Conservative principles of Federalism/Republicanism. The Federation is ruled by a President in concert with a representative legislature in the Federation council vs Direct Democracy.
5. Sanctity
The Federation holds itself to an extremely high degree of moral purity and holds racism, sexism, or any type of unequal treatment with contempt. Likewise it places a high value on the sanctity of life, viewing the death penalty as backwards/barbaric.
6. Liberty
The Federation strongly believes in due process and the freedom of the individual as sacrosanct. Ideals such as the Cardassian belief in the assumption of guilt is abhorrent.

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> but I believe it may in fact be far more Conservative than Progressive
It's neither.
A post scarcity society will up-root all tradition economic classifications.

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I agree with you. However anons constantly ascribe current political nomenclature to the society pictured in Star Trek. When they do so, they almost universally go with a Leftist interpretation. I am attempting to demonstrate that if you choose to classify it as such, it is actually more in line with Conservative principles than Progressive ones.

I disagree with you. Violently.

I feel like we don't actually know enough about Star Trek society outside of a military organization to properly categorize.

>feel
faggot

Care to rebut?

The so called progressives have no interest in a truly open and liberal democracy, they seek only to capitalize on the most base and vile human instincts in order to become oppressors themselves. In it's original incarnation, the Federation is presented very much as a socialist utopia yet we are left to wonder, what happens to those who do not contribute to this society in a meaningful way? This is never really explained, besides perhaps occasional references to political upheaval and world war on Earth which in some mysterious way, led to widespread social unification and a seemingly an almost uniform sense of ethics worldwide across all racial and religious bounds.

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Because he was the best one.

Tell me your address and I'll rebut you with a baseball bat.

No he was not.

Star Trek society can't exist in the real world without replicators. It's that simple.

We know quite a bit. We know that they are able to generate incredible amounts of energy at very little material cost. We know that they can produce artificially created foods and materials that are virtually indistinguishible from their natural counterparts. We know that people are able to pursue any vocation they wish with very little social pressure. We know that despite the absence of currency in Federation society some sort of property ownership is possible (Cheteau Picard). We also know that large amounts of land are freely available through colony worlds.

>We know quite a bit.
No. We. Do. Not.

I personally believe that nuclear holocaust led to the collapse of organized religion as mankind realized the futility of believing in a God that allowed the world to end. Massive political upheaval and population depletion likely rendered borders and individual nation-states irrelevant. Mankind unified by default rather than some grandiose kumbayah effort.

>some sort of property ownership is possible (Cheteau Picard). We also know that large amounts of land are freely available through colony worlds.
We don't know the mechanism by which is this is done, though.
In modern China, for example, you cannot own property. You just rent it from the government.
Western views of property ownership are incompatible with that. I want to till the same soil that my father did, and his did. Is there property inheritance? How does one acquire property?
Is it like welfare housing in the US - you're name goes on a list and when property opens up you get housing?

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>2020
>trump re-elected
>doesn't matter, we still control the media
>best captain ever
>pic related

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Dizzy...

Wanting to commit violence against someone for their argument shows yours to be indefensible through rhetorical exercise and thereby fatally weak.

>headcanon
moron

Watch. The. Show.

It has to do with problem solving and personality.

Kirk solves problems by threats, lies, and cleverness, and his personality is that he's confident and bold. He's got a close friendship with Spock and McCoy, which is how you learn more about his character.

Sisko solves problems by basically just brute forcing them, whether that's with phasers or just threats, he's always going to take the fastest, simplest solution. He's a little impatient and doesn't tolerate nonsense well. You learn about him by how he deals with the whole Emissary business and through his son, and he's motivated more by practical success than morality.

Janeway (supposedly) solves problems using science and diplomacy (though the writers are terrible at writing this). She likes futzing around and taking indirect paths to success. You don't really learn about her character because the writers didn't understand how to write it.

Archer doesn't really have any defined problem solving method, he just shows up and does whatever seems right. Like Janeway, the writers are so bad that it's hard to really pin down his character.

Let's not even talk about STD.

Picard is meant to be Gene Roddenberry's vision of the perfect human being: he's rational, intelligent, charismatic, and his first solution to every problem is diplomacy. Despite this, he's also very guarded and has a lot of character flaws, and you learn about him through how he interacts with the few people he trusts, whom he still doesn't act friendly with like Kirk does with Spock and McCoy. You could easily make a character like that boring, but Patrick Stewart's excellent acting pulls it off.

tl;dr, Picard is just the best written and best acted captain.

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STD isn't Star Trek.

Perhaps certain persons are entrusted as stewards based on historical claims? It might be impossible for another person to come into possession of Chateau Picard but because the historical owners survived WW3 the State has appointed them as caretakers.

Until an on-screen explanation is provided my theory is as valid as yours.

better actor, desu

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Janeway is like if Sisko had balls

This.

We in the West also rent from the government.
You can't "own" lend without real estate taxes.
And these are on the rise everywhere.

Maybe, but that's my point. We don't know.

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No. He. Is. Not.

This is very important, because i doubt if a genie asked a conservative "if you say so everybody in the world would be rich, would you?" nobody would say no. It's the stuff that it costs that makes conservatives conservatives.

I'm afraid STD might want to provide an explanation for how it happened. Or perhaps the Picard show itself.

>nobody would say no
A true Conservative would recognize that you cannot make everyone rich. Levelling the playing field only makes everyone poor by default.

We pay property taxes, but the chinese government can literally show up tomorrow and say the land is mine now.
The US has eminent domain and most western nations have similar concepts, differently named, but they all have to go through above board civil courts. Chinese citizens have no mechanism to truly say no.
Not to mention, that it applies to all property in China, not just land.

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It was a different time.

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>data - pfft cheap bastard
>jordy - imma steal dat sheeit
>wesley - i want someone to propose to me

Perhaps. I would however like to see a WW3 show. There's lots of corners of Trek that we've never seen. Also, a Vikings style ancient Klingon show would be very interesting.

Wesley is hot.

In STD Lorca mentioned Elon Musk.
I'm afraid the atomic horror and the Eugenic Wars were retconned out of the main timeline.
Just rewatch Encounter at Farpoint over and over and be happy.

He has the best beats.
youtube.com/watch?v=X6oUz1v17Uo

STD is not Star Trek.

so absolute zero. got it

have you not heard of the Picard maneuver?

Do you believe something different or are you just being a cunt?

On second thoughts there was an episode featuring WW3: 2x02, "New Eden." You might want to give it a try, thematically it looks like an old TOS episode.

STD is not Star Trek.

>You might want to give it a try
Hard pass

It has never once been demonstrated in TNG/DS9 that the government owns everything and property is socialized/communal. They are post scarcity but they are not collectivists.

Thats like, your opinion man
But seriously though, it seems you want to just bash modern day progressives rather than talk Trek. But those are interesting points about what the Federation does with people who refuse to work. There has to be a UBI model out there to at least feed them, but I assume Federation education and the more uniform code of ethics means that population is negligible. Remember, the modern so called "welfare queens" are not only exaggerated by modern day media, but it is a truth that only exists in our resource scarce economy.

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Can we start calling people that like STD bug-chasers?

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i havent seen it so your claim is dubious

its literally says tard trek in the title so its tard trek

not the user that said head canon but it really is head canon and seems biased
how would a nuclear holocaust make people not believe in religion anymore?
how would people get rid of every instinct we have to be part of a group like themselves, americans with americans, japan with japan, china with china?

kirk was a better captain

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even your choice of terms ('rich', 'poor') is wrong

Anyone have that gif/webm of the enterprise hurtling through space and it's being piloted by very scared cats? That one's a real knee slapper.

I wonder if I ever called Shatner a faggot then.

No, actually I believe basically what this user said and maybe to expand on that a bit people who didn't have a very strong will to survive / genetic imperative basically died off in the years following the near extinction level events referenced in TOS and TNG but not so much and DS9 and pretty well disregarded going forward. There is actually very few hints towards the population collecting some form of assistance (like in, say, The Expanse). Everyone seems to have some kind of job to perform, even non-starfleet. If you think about it, all the other humans are basically depicted as criminals and terrorists.

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Nerds(incels) are misogynists, racists and homophobes.

For instance, we know Admiral Cartwright was not summarily euthanized by Federation Death Squads because he proved to be a decent cook.

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You haven't met a lot of conservatives. Most of their existence is defined by suffering. They seek it out and view it for nourishment. They inflict it on themselves because pain is equated to effort or "work." If you enjoy your work, it isn't work. Comfort is laziness. Even just living healthy is considered a vice. They attempt to inflict suffering on others for similar reasons. The core of their existence though is defined by this life being separate from a real Heavenly afterlife and therefore it must be filled with suffering. The more pain in life, the more beautiful Heaven can be in death. Given an opportunity, most conservatives would do everything in their power to destroy any technology or idea that makes the world closer to a paradise. That's why their is a massive amount of opiate abuse among conservatives. They're always in some kind of pain. Popping a painkiller is validation that the world is a painful place.

Damn, I didn't know Sam Jackson was in Star Trek.

>EDDINGTON: Replicator entrée number one oh three. Curried chicken and rice with a side order of carrots. Or at least that's what they want us to believe. But you and I both know what we're really eating. Replicated piss molecules and textured shit carbohydrates.
Everything on a starship is recycled. EVERYTHING.

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You'll say anything to justify murdering a few Cardies, wouldn't ya? I'm Irish and I know your kind, Bajoran. You'll say anything, do anything, to get your way, and when you do, you won't want it anymore. Despite of everything, I still find you a pitiable person.

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>his x-men and star trek characters would have opposed blank
im sure both would also oppose using their influence to sway the minds of people away from making an informed decision of their own into one he/they prefers.

Forgot about this video. Thanks, user.

happy t'pol

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is this canon?
youtube.com/watch?v=eHrCrh9FNUI

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most of the worlds technology was invented by boring white men that would make todays coservatives look like commies

Had the writers ever made a good explanation why the Federation not just replicate their best [insert profession people here] instead of recruiting randos that just happen to pass their trials?

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Benjamin Maxwell Did Nothing Wrong.

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REQUESTING AN EMERGENCY BARCLAY/TROI COPYPASTA
SOMEONE, ANYONE, PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE!

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You can't replicate people...

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Just do 2 transporter streams. Canon in several episodes

We can assume that if genetic engineering to correct anything but serious defects in the federation is illegal, it is likely that cloning is too.

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Yes, you can. That's basically what a transporter does. It disintegrates you and creates a copy.

Even though not 'cloning' in a genetic sense, these applicants have invariably proven troublesome and again, it is likely this form of cloning via matter replication would be banned.

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Shut up no it doesn’t!
Just, just shut up okay?

I don't think anything even hints at that. Picard's France is still there and pretty much the same as it is now.

>Kirk finally joins his crew on one of their poker nights

Is it just me or is this the perfect end for him?

rlm drone

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>World War III (2026-ca 2053) was the last of Earth's three world wars. The conflict involved nuclear cataclysm as well as genocide and eco-terrorism. (Star Trek: First Contact; DIS: "New Eden"; ENT: "In a Mirror, Darkly, Part II"; TOS: "The Savage Curtain") The post-atomic horror superseding the war lingered as late as 2079. (TNG: "Encounter at Farpoint")

If definitely kills people, there's no way it doesn't. The Federation are so woke that they don't think that matters, the Romulans are so martial that they don't think it matters and everyone else is too dumb to realise the implications of the technology.

I knew there was a reason I've been collecting every novel shatner ever wrote

then why aren't the romulans using it as an instant invasion force?

They haven't figured out how to double-Riker yet. They love cloning, so they'd be all for it.

>Replicated piss molecules and textured shit carbohydrates.
What do you think non-replicated food is made from?

I miss the days when TV shows would constantly cross over, or have special segments like the cast of a sitcom hosting a night of holiday specials and things like that. Everything felt more connected in the good ol' days.

Wrong, it's explicitly stated multiple times that's not how transporters function in the Trek universe. This "but it kills u and makes a copy!!!" shit is just retarded "SCIENCE!" apologetics trying to act like their IQ has a third digit.

well thats a giant red flag

Because he is Beta-Captain who surrendered every other episode.

>explicitly stated
They're in denial.

>the writers of the show are in denial
You're not very bright are you, huh.

>father-figure
>uncomfortable around children
idiot

Based Weyoun

The characters are written to be in denial, you redundantly stupid moron.

This is the real answer. If you've ever met any Trek fan in real life who hates Kirk, they're always the same. Beta sci fi fans who can't stand Kirk because he is an unapologetic chad while they love Picard because he is more philosophical and doesnt possess many chad abilities outside confidence/leadership.

Shutup Wesley!

Children actually love him though. That's why he's father-figure.

Also he's totally going to go surrogate dad mode with that Borg girl.

Picard and Kirk aren't real life people guys.

how dare you

Shatner is the man. In fact, he is probably in this thread as we speak.

Daily reminder that Shatner doesn't run his social media accounts.

Based

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Picard was an incompetent piece of shit who threatened the very existence of humanity on more than one occasion and left it to Captain Archer to clean up his mess for him.

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archer > kirk >>>>>>>>>>>> janeway > sisko >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riker >>>>>>>>>>> picard

picard is the most faggoty of all the captains. hes a frenchfag, a weakling, closet homosexual, and a drunk. he is the only captain that needed a "riker" , every other captain was their own riker. anyone who worships picard is a basedboy red.dit tier cuckold numale faggot. u all know its true.

kirk went on his away missions. archer went on his away missions. picard sat in his homosexually decorated captains quarters while riker did all the real work. even janeway was more of a man than picard. TNG was more like the love boat in space than star trek. all picard ever did was ferry diplomats around and get trolled by Q, playing a gay detective in the holodeck(and never even solving any cases) and killing humans while assimilated by the borg. hes the loser numale of star trek captains.

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picard is babbies first st captain just like why tng is so overrated

It's a typo, you moron.
He obviously meant to type, "hold".

this guy gets it

Based Shatner @ 23:54
youtu.be/zwgMuDQzm2I?t=1434

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I believe you "based Shran" pink skin.

Which version?

Show Picard was a typical seasoned officer and kept up the standards of starfleet on duty, ran a tight but fair ship and kept his private shit private.

Movie Picard is a dumb retard who busts a cap on fools and has a tantrum if anyone disagrees with him

It is established the eugenics war happened and WWIII happened, creating "post atomic horrors" and a vast majority of humanity being wiped out. user has a solid foundation for that headcanon.

Wait Archer was the captain? I thought it was the vulkan chick?

I think Data and Geordi are thinking
>Shit, we only get $10/ea per photo, this is going to slow things way down

no, that's picard

I believe your both mistaken, that is Liquidator Brunt, FCA